Proof Ogge is a moron

[Dharkbayne]

Anyways, Ogge and I had a little discussion about communism, I logged it, and here it is.


**CLICK** (http://www.neosith.com/oggelog.txt)

Hmm.. it appears that uploading a 3 kb .txt file crashed my shitty FTP server, it should be up in a few minutes if it won't work now

[Sputty]

Ogge is the dumbest and most ignorant person I've ever talked to. Simply put, I think all the extreme right wings we have in pol debate compared to Ogge look like responsible centrists.

[Baneblade]

I would care that this guy thinks things like that, but not enough other people do so I'm not worried...

I'd shoot anyone that tried to dictate my life to me...

[JetRaiden]

Ogge is the dumbest and most ignorant person I've ever talked to. Simply put, I think all the extreme right wings we have in pol debate compared to Ogge look like responsible centrists.

[Mr1337Duck]

We're hardly extreme right wing. We're about as rightist as all of the other conservatives.

[Dharkbayne]

Don't turn this thread into a poldebate, dammit!

[Jaged]

Too long to read. Would someone quote something from it that prooves the point?

[Dharkbayne]

<Ogge|food> well they showed the people in sovjet thing they shudent have shown, they showed them they had a free mind witch is wrong
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in freedom?
<Ogge|food> no.
<Dharkbayne> You believe the government should control everything?
<Ogge|food> aye
<Dharkbayne> So you believe that people should have NO freedom whatsoever
<Dharkbayne> Not even free thought?
<Ogge|food> they can think whatever they want, they just cant exspres it (spelling?)
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in free expression?
<Ogge|food> no

[HawkEye]

yea what a moron

[Squeeky]

Ogge is like a broken septic system, HE SPEWS NOTHING BUT SHIT!

[Jaged]

<Ogge|food> well they showed the people in sovjet thing they shudent have shown, they showed them they had a free mind witch is wrong
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in freedom?
<Ogge|food> no.
<Dharkbayne> You believe the government should control everything?
<Ogge|food> aye
<Dharkbayne> So you believe that people should have NO freedom whatsoever
<Dharkbayne> Not even free thought?
<Ogge|food> they can think whatever they want, they just cant exspres it (spelling?)
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in free expression?
<Ogge|food> no :jawdrop:

[TheN00b]

<Ogge|food> well they showed the people in sovjet thing they shudent have shown, they showed them they had a free mind witch is wrong
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in freedom?
<Ogge|food> no.
<Dharkbayne> You believe the government should control everything?
<Ogge|food> aye
<Dharkbayne> So you believe that people should have NO freedom whatsoever
<Dharkbayne> Not even free thought?
<Ogge|food> they can think whatever they want, they just cant exspres it (spelling?)
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in free expression?
<Ogge|food> no

I will pray for this poor man's soul :eek: .

[ViperGTS]

What a fuck tard. My 8 grade English teacher belived in the comi way. She use to say every one had a job and was very happy....hmmmm.....

[AztecWarrior]

<Ogge|food> well they showed the people in sovjet thing they shudent have shown, they showed them they had a free mind witch is wrong
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in freedom?
<Ogge|food> no.
<Dharkbayne> You believe the government should control everything?
<Ogge|food> aye
<Dharkbayne> So you believe that people should have NO freedom whatsoever
<Dharkbayne> Not even free thought?
<Ogge|food> they can think whatever they want, they just cant exspres it (spelling?)
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in free expression?
<Ogge|food> no
I'm going to Sweden and I'm packing my MP5.

[Madcow]

I'm going to Sweden and I'm packing my MP5.

Excellent, I'm sure that you'll have no issues getting through airport security. They've been in a lax mood lately.

[Mr1337Duck]

http://www.fpp.co.uk/pictures/HammerSickle.gif

[Mr1337Duck]

Excellent, I'm sure that you'll have no issues getting through airport security. They've been in a lax mood lately.


Bah, he's tough. He'll swim.

[Dharkbayne]

Okay, since some people can't connect to the FTP, including me, here's the log

<Ogge|food> why do you think that communism and cannibalism is horrible?
<Dharkbayne> Because... well.. it is?
<Ogge|food> well maybe it is, but tell me why you think its horrible
<Ogge|food> you just say " OMFG SUXXORS COMMI AWP CANNIBAL NOOB! but you wont tell me why you think that
<Dharkbayne> Because cannibalism is EATING PEOPLE.
<Dharkbayne> And communism would never work, and all examples of it have been, ooh, guess what, EVIL
<Ogge|food> well communism works kinda well, but in all the cases some other country have destroyed for em, and isend capitalist evil 2?
<Dharkbayne> ...
<Ogge|food> well?
<Dharkbayne> Communism does not work well in real life
<Dharkbayne> Look at all the examples, do you see a prospering country that is communist?
<Ogge|food> the sovjet was a great and powerfull country before
<Ogge|food> why dont you tell me any capitalist country that have it any good then
<Dharkbayne> Yeah, look at the soviet union now
<Dharkbayne> THey are fucked.
<Dharkbayne> Because communism corrupts those in power
<Ogge|food> suvjet union is gone...
<Dharkbayne> Greed and freedom get in the way
<Dharkbayne> I know, the entire nation collapsed
<Ogge|food> can you show me on a map wher sovjet are plz?
<Ogge|food> sovjet was fine til other countrys started to destroy it
<Dharkbayne> ..
<Dharkbayne> They destroyed themselves
<Dharkbayne> they COLLAPSED
<Ogge|food> sorry i forgot you dont read about importents history thingys in school, sorry
<Dharkbayne> ...
<Ogge|food> communist works fine unetill someother countrys mess around?
<Dharkbayne> No
<Dharkbayne> Did we ever attack russia?
<Ogge|food> who is we
<Dharkbayne> The U.S.
<Dharkbayne> Or other countrys
<Dharkbayne> Did they do enough to actually harm the country as a whole?
<Ogge|food> well they showed the people in sovjet thing they shudent have shown, they showed them they had a free mind witch is wrong
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in freedom?
<Ogge|food> no.
<Dharkbayne> You believe the government should control everything?
<Ogge|food> aye
<Dharkbayne> So you believe that people should have NO freedom whatsoever
<Dharkbayne> Not even free thought?
<Ogge|food> they can think whatever they want, they just cant exspres it (spelling?)
<Dharkbayne> So you don't believe in free expression?
<Ogge|food> no
<Dharkbayne> Do you believe people should have a say in what happens in their country?
<Ogge|food> they shall work and be happy they they live
<Ogge|food> that
<Dharkbayne> Yet not know anything outside of that?
<Dharkbayne> Jsut what their government tells them?
<Dharkbayne> No free media? No privately owned companies?
<Ogge|food> yes.
<Dharkbayne> No outside contact?
<Ogge|food> adapt or die
<Dharkbayne> So you believe the government has the right to kill someone if they don't agree with them?
<Dharkbayne> Hello?
<Dharkbayne> Hello?
<Ogge|food> hejsa
<Dharkbayne> <Dharkbayne> So you believe the government has the right to kill someone if they don't agree with them?
<Ogge|food> (22:31:26) (Ogge|food) yes, why shall they not?
<Dharkbayne> So just because someone does not agree with them, they have the right to kill them?
<Ogge|food> yes
<Dharkbayne> Okay, so you believe the government can control expression, media, speech, business, politics, economy, pretty much everything?
<Dharkbayne> And if someone does not agree with that, they can kill them?
<Ogge|food> v+v+y
<Dharkbayne> One source controls the entire country, no balance of power, no seperate parties, nothing?
<Ogge|food> v+v+y
<Dharkbayne> So you'd be happy in this kind of government, just working your life away, not knowing anything but the things that someone decides what they want you to know? And if you do anything otherwise, you are killed?
<Dharkbayne> You'd just be fine with that?
<Ogge|food> if i dident knew anything about the world outside, yes
<Dharkbayne> and if you did?
<Dharkbayne> Would you rebel? Or just pretend you didn't?
<Ogge|food> if i did knew about the outside world they will probebly kill me
<Dharkbayne> And you'd be fine with that, not being able to learn ANYTHING you aren't "allowed to" without being killed?
<Ogge|food> yes.
<Dharkbayne> What if said government was corrupt? What would you do?
<Dharkbayne> Just sit there and pretend nothing is happening?
<Ogge|food> well sens the goverment constrole everything i wudent find out
<Dharkbayne> And you'd be fine with the government not telling you anything about the happenings of the country?
<Dharkbayne> Not knowing if they were lying or not, not even caring if they were?
<Ogge|food> yes
<Ogge|food> i would learn to be happy for living
<Dharkbayne> You would be happy just with that, just sitting in your little farm or factory, doing work then submitting all your earnings to the government, having no privacy whatsoever?
<Dharkbayne> Letting them take control of your entire life?
<Ogge|food> i wud be happy
<Dharkbayne> Completely content? Never wanting to learn what is happening outside of your country?
<Dharkbayne> Would you fight and die for your country?
<Ogge|food> if the country needed to defend itself, yes
<Dharkbayne> Would you still agree with the government if they killed a friend? Loved one? Family member? Just for speaking out against them?
<Ogge|food> if they dont agree to the goverment they deserv to die
<Dharkbayne> So you would be fine with that?
<Ogge|food> yes
<Dharkbayne> WIth the government having the ability to kill whoever they want, for any reason, on a whim?
<Ogge|food> yes
<Ogge|food> well they dont kill if u agree 2 em
<Dharkbayne> Without a trial to defend themself?
<Dharkbayne> If the government simply SUSPECTS that they don't agree with them, they have the ability to kill them
<Ogge|food> they shall do as the goverment telles em to do
<Ogge|food> they need to eliminate treaths to the country
<Dharkbayne> Would you believe that the people in the government are simply smarter than those who aren't?
<Ogge|food> well after all they are the goverment so yes
<Dharkbayne> whatever, I'm hosting this and I'm gonna show it to everyone
<Ogge|food> cool
* Ogge|food yay!
<Ogge|food> you are the typical american
<Ogge|food> cant accept difrent things

[Neon Apocalypse]

I sayz shoozt ze baztart.

[Setari]

so....he was serious during all that? Not only a moron. He's the perfect country citizen. The perfect sheep. so, i say, let is shoot him.

[Dharkbayne]

Yes. He also believes in cannibalism. Y'all should come in IRC more often.

[Black]

i wish i was there i would nazi his shitty spelling (damn those 12-13 year old dumb fucks)

[arctik]

Wow he makes sweedish people look bad, me included.

[Angel_of_Death]

I'm still trying to figure out whether that's a joke gone wrong or he really is an idiot. Communism would work...

..if humans didn't have independent thought.

[Dharkbayne]

He is really an idiot. He's not joking, he's just a moron.

[Searo]

Communism would work even better if we were all dead, cannibalism would probably get a boost too.

[Rbstr]

Ogge is dumb


also you guys are very extreme right wing at times

[Mr1337Duck]

Give me a quote to prove we're extreme right.

[AztecWarrior]

Bah, he's tough. He'll swim.
Indeed.

I also have a suppressor, foward vertical grip, and a Brugger & Thomas red dot sight.

Fear, Ogge, fear. I'm swimming for you. No, better yet, I'll take one of my team's rowing boats...

/me enters one-man rowboat and begins to row

[Dharkbayne]

Hey! Stop with the PolDebate. Take that to the correct forum. Just stop it. Right now.

[AztecWarrior]

Hey! Stop with the PolDebate. Take that to the correct forum. Just stop it. Right now.
Politics is life.

[Dharkbayne]

Yes, but this is the lounge, none of us have lives, take it to PolDebate.

[AztecWarrior]

Yes, but this is the lounge, non of us have lives, take it to PolDebate.
:rofl:

[OfaLoaf]

What did you expect when you made a topic abut Communism? Kittens?

[Doop]

Keel the peeg!

Edit: woo! First Sergeant! Weee!

[Dharkbayne]

No, this thread is about the conversation, not communism.

[OfaLoaf]

The main focus of the conversation was communism. To talk about the conversation almost automatically brings up Communism, because Ogge is a Commie and that's what you two were talking about.

[Spee]

I believe in Communism. Though, not Crazy-ass Stalinism. Marxism.


But then again im of the opinion that anyone who bothers me(90% of the earth) should be flung into orbit to have thier flesh sheared from thier body by microscoping, high-velocity space debris.

[XxXMaRiNeXxX]

That guy lives in Swedan? When he was born, how many stayed there?

[Zodiac]

This thread sucks.

[Sputty]

This thread sucks.
Negative. It's great, because it's proof!

[Mr1337Duck]

"Nobody like Doop. He's such a bastard. He's all like 'look at me, I'm doop, I'm doop! I have a mustache...'. No you do not have a mustache! Go away, Doop. You do not have a mustache... You're not an Italian marine, and you certainly are not a ninja. I mean, you're not a pirate either, you're just... an abomination, of shit... and... sperm, mixed together to make you."


I just noticed Doop is back, had to post that.

[Doop]

"Nobody like Doop. He's such a bastard. He's all like 'look at me, I'm doop, I'm doop! I have a mustache...'. No you do not have a mustache! Go away, Doop. You do not have a mustache... You're not an Italian marine, and you certainly are not a ninja. I mean, you're not a pirate either, you're just... an abomination, of shit... and... sperm, mixed together to make you."


I just noticed Doop is back, had to post that.

Uh, first off, who the fuck are you? Second of all, I've been here for a while now. And third, that is completely off topic. And fourth, end yourself.

[Bighoss]

Negative. It's great, because it's proof!

Affirmative Comrade Sputty!

yea who ever this Ogge guy is sounds like a moron, you could create a society like the one in fahrenheit 4fidy1 if the majority of the population was like him.

[JetRaiden]

:lol: and you're asuming that just because you've heard hes a moron. sure, I guess thats true.

[Mr1337Duck]

1.I'm Mr1337Duck. As far as I know, doop, I've been here longer than you have. You joined a few months after I did.

2.Yes, I know who you are, I just noticed that you rejoined, never paid attention to names that much, felt like posting that.

3.Of course it is, let's be thankful this is an offtopic board. Sputty posts kittens in the middle of completely unrelated threads, you don't bitch about him.

4.What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You mean commit suicide?

[AztecWarrior]

Affirmative Comrade Sputty!

yea who ever this Ogge guy is sounds like a moron, you could create a society like the one in fahrenheit 4fidy1 if the majority of the population was like him.
A: 4fidy1? You mean Farenheit 451? I assume you do.

B: Farenheit 451 is NOTHING to what else is out there. Animal Farm (a short read, explains what happened in the USSR PERFECTLY) and 1984 (Ultimate Communism. My favorite book. The society becomes HELL ITSELF.) Both are by George Orwell. I've heard Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, which I've read, is also anti-Communist, but I have trouble finding it.

Bighoss, go to your local library and read Animal Farm. It's short (about 100 pages) and very good.

[Doop]

1.I'm Mr1337Duck. As far as I know, doop, I've been here longer than you have. You joined a few months after I did.

2.Yes, I know who you are, I just noticed that you rejoined, never paid attention to names that much, felt like posting that.

3.Of course it is, let's be thankful this is an offtopic board. Sputty posts kittens in the middle of completely unrelated threads, you don't bitch about him.

4.What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You mean commit suicide?

...You don't know me at all. I never rejoined, I've been here for a looong time. I just never post.

...Anyway, yeah, Ogge is an idiot. Asking why people think communism and cannibalism is evil is retarded.

[Sputty]

Welles and Huxley were both Socialist and felt that ruling shouldn't be done by the populace. Thought I'd throw that in(I've done a lot of stuff on both of them in high school, both about 1984 and BNW)

[AztecWarrior]

Socialism is wrong too, but we're focusing on Communism here.

[Kaikou]

Communism works in theory, but when it's implemented it dies hard.

I guess Ogg has some valid argument in being happy to not know anything but what the government wants you to know. Ignorance is bliss right? Americans however grow up with the freedom of knowing the truth, and though some of it IS hidden, most is accessable. I for one would rather know the truth and accept it as part of life rather than be shielded by a blanket of false "Feel good" thoughts. Sorta the same argument with religion..but I won't go into that as people seem to drag religion debates down to flame wars within minutes.

[Bighoss]

A: 4fidy1? You mean Farenheit 451? I assume you do.

B: Farenheit 451 is NOTHING to what else is out there. Animal Farm (a short read, explains what happened in the USSR PERFECTLY) and 1984 (Ultimate Communism. My favorite book. The society becomes HELL ITSELF.) Both are by George Orwell. I've heard Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, which I've read, is also anti-Communist, but I have trouble finding it.

Bighoss, go to your local library and read Animal Farm. It's short (about 100 pages) and very good.

already read both of those, I did animal farm over two study halls at school because I had no homework. Than I read 1984 afterwords in a few days.

when I meant you could create a society like F4fidy1 I was talking about how you could create a society with such a short attention span and wasn't willing to learn anything that they didn't have to. Political issues were of no concern to them in that book.

oh yea you should also read brave new world

[Onizuka]

Communism will NEVER work, and it sucks. It sucks for the people like me.