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AztecWarrior
2004-03-31, 11:36 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040401/ap_on_bi_ge/opec_meeting&cid=509&ncid=716

By SUSANNA LOOF, Associated Press Writer

VIENNA, Austria - With fuel costs already at uncomfortable levels for consumers, OPEC (news - web sites) took a step that could push prices even higher by announcing Wednesday that it would cut its crude oil production target by 4 percent.

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries hopes the cut, which takes effect Thursday, will prevent a slide in prices this spring, when the global demand for oil usually slips to a seasonal low.

Some analysts said the cut could soon push crude prices above the psychologically important threshold of $40 per barrel. The decision could also worsen the pain for U.S. motorists, who have been paying the highest prices in recent years for gasoline.

OPEC, which pumps about a third of the world's oil, agreed in talks at its headquarters in Vienna to reduce its output target by 1 million barrels per day. Although it had announced plans for the cut when its members met last month in Algiers, Algeria, a subsequent surge in prices led a few of the group's 11 members to suggest postponing the decrease.

OPEC had to balance concerns that high prices could choke off economic growth with its own fears that swelling inventories and a seasonal lull in springtime demand could reduce cause prices to plunge.

Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates proposed postponing the cut, but Saudi Arabian Oil Minister Ali Naimi and the majority of ministers prevailed in their effort to press ahead and reduce the ceiling to 23.5 million barrels per day.

These ministers blamed speculators for much of the froth in prices and argued that the weak U.S. dollar was adding to the problem. Oil is bought and sold in dollars, and the recent decline in the dollar's value has caused the nominal price for oil to increase.

"Notwithstanding the prevailing high prices, crude markets remain more than well supplied," OPEC President Purnomo Yusgiantoro told reporters.

Futures markets, which rose sharply Tuesday on signals that OPEC would lower its output ceiling, responded to the official announcement with a sell-off as traders liquidated their long contracts and took profits. Carl Larry, an analyst at ABN Amro in New York, said this reaction proved that OPEC was at least partly correct in attributing some of the high crude prices to "speculative money."

U.S. crude futures for May delivery fell 49 cents to $35.76 per barrel in New York, while May contracts of North Sea Brent settled 77 cents lower at $31.51 in London.

However, some analysts argued that prices would soon begin to rise again, especially if OPEC showed that it was determined to curtail its actual output and not just reduce its production target. U.S. crude could spike to $40 a barrel "within a week or two," Larry said.

U.S. gasoline prices would stay high and might rise even higher, said Kevin Norrish, head of commodities research at Barclays Capital in London. The main problem wasn't expensive crude so much as limited refinery capacity. "They're not able to process the crude oil into gasoline quickly enough," he said.

Gasoline prices climbed to a nominal record average of $1.80 a gallon nationwide, according to the latest Lundberg survey of 8,000 stations across the United States. But that was still below the inflation-adjusted record set in March 1981, Lundberg said. The March 1981 combined average for all grades was about $1.38, the equivalent of $2.85 in today's dollars.

Costlier crude would have a "much more muted" effect on gasoline prices in Europe, where taxes account for the bulk of the pump price in some countries, Norrish said.

Over the longer term, the expected drop in demand during the April-June quarter and quota-busting by individual OPEC members should help push prices gradually lower, analysts said.

Most OPEC members are taking advantage of the current high prices by pumping as much oil as they can. Excluding Iraq (news - web sites), which doesn't participate in the group's quota agreements, OPEC is already exceeding its existing target by an estimated 1.5 million barrels.

Although he foresees a short-term rise to $40 per barrel, Leo Drollas of the London-based Center for Global Energy Studies said he believed that prices would eventually fall to around $28.50 in the second quarter because producers would continue pumping oil in excess of their quotas.

John Waterlow of Wood Mackenzie Consultants in Edinburgh, Scotland, said prices would probably remain high for several weeks but could fall to $28 or less during the summer.

In the United States, high oil and gasoline prices have become an issue in the presidential campaign.

Democratic contender Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) said that as president he would stop pumping oil into the nation's emergency stockpile until prices fell and would pressure OPEC to provide more oil. A White House spokesman said President Bush (news - web sites) was disappointed by OPEC's decision.
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For some reason, I feel impelled to go to the OPEC office and shoot some oil tycoons in the foot with a high-caliber weapon. THEY ARE CUTTING PRODUCTION DESPITE HIGHER DEMAND! This will raise prices! I can't believe this!

AztecWarrior
2004-03-31, 11:44 PM
This had better be a sick April Fool's joke.

Squeeky
2004-03-31, 11:47 PM
This is me giving a shit.

martyr
2004-04-01, 12:22 AM
http://students.db.erau.edu/~davis812/img/OHNO.jpg

MilitantB0B
2004-04-01, 12:34 AM
This is me giving a shit.
I guess Squeeky likes paying 3 bucks a gallon or some ungodly price like that for gas...

Things like this piss me off, everytime OPEC wants to make a dime, they rake us over the coals. I wish those tree-huggers would let us drill in alaska so we can be a little self-sufficient. Oh well, they just found a new oil patch in the Gulf of Mexico and I know for sure that Texas won't have a problem with drilling it. Man I love Texas.

And that was me giving a shit, except without the sarcasm...

Baneblade
2004-04-01, 12:37 AM
Oil affects everyone, even those treehuggers...

MilitantB0B
2004-04-01, 12:38 AM
Oil affects everyone, even those treehuggers...
I think I am missing your point...

Fragmatic
2004-04-01, 12:40 AM
I think I am missing your point...

It's needed to make plastics and other products.

Kyonye
2004-04-01, 12:42 AM
I guess Squeeky likes paying 3 bucks a gallon or some ungodly price like that for gas...

Things like this piss me off, everytime OPEC wants to make a dime, they rake us over the coals. I wish those tree-huggers would let us drill in alaska so we can be a little self-sufficient. Oh well, they just found a new oil patch in the Gulf of Mexico and I know for sure that Texas won't have a problem with drilling it. Man I love Texas.

And that was me giving a shit, except without the sarcasm...


Squeeky doesn't drive...thats why he doesn't care..he'll care once he runs out of money

Baneblade
2004-04-01, 12:43 AM
Everything from plastic to shoes to soap to the chains those fuktards use to tie themselves to the Mighty Oak of Give No Shits...

Squeeky
2004-04-01, 12:46 AM
Squeeky doesn't drive...thats why he doesn't care..he'll care once he runs out of money

Actually i do drive. And i live in SoCal, we have the highest gas prices in the country.

I was just kiddin. OPEC is the fucking devil.

BTW, I never run out of money. I have blind

http://www.thzclan.com/cam/squeeky/squeekycam.jpg

MilitantB0B
2004-04-01, 12:53 AM
Squeeky doesn't drive...thats why he doesn't care..he'll care once he runs out of money
Well, I'd like to credit Squeeky with some modicum of foresight to know what is good or bad for people, even if they aren't him. Hell, I am not driving yet (I am 17, but my car has been broken down :() but I still know this is bad for things.

I also know that oil prices effect lots of things, thats just more of a reason to try and get some oil comming out of our own land. The fact is that a industralized nation can be easily brought to its knees by a lack of oil.

I just lovew the fact that these environmentalists object adimantly to drilling for oil in America, but doen't seem to care if other countries do it (which really doesn't make any sence, because if any country was going to do it in a safe and environmentaly freindly way it would be America, due in large part to the aforementioned tree-huggers). I gues they just care about their environemnt...

EDIT: Forget the first paragraph, didn't know he was joking... Sorry, but I get tired of this not-in-my-backyard mentality, cause it seems that every time I hear about another state rejecting a unseemly project it moves in the Texas... Thats why we refine practically all the oil for America, and why we have so much money...

Dharkbayne
2004-04-01, 12:53 AM
http://students.db.erau.edu/~davis812/img/OHNO.jpg
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

OneManArmy
2004-04-01, 01:45 AM
These ministers blamed speculators for much of the froth in prices and argued that the weak U.S. dollar was adding to the problem. Oil is bought and sold in dollars, and the recent decline in the dollar's value has caused the nominal price for oil to increase.
learn something new everyday.

yea this is gonna suck but, I dont own a gas guzzling SUV so fuck em. let the prices rise. it all evens out in the end.

Onizuka-GTO
2004-04-01, 09:07 AM
Where is the Hydrogen-Fuel Cell revolution?!!

Hamma
2004-04-01, 09:21 AM
Can you really blame the middle-eastern countrys for raping our asshole every chance they get? :lol:

They fucking hate the US, this is just the way to get back at us. Even though we really never did anything wrong besides being the greatest country on earth.

Jealous bastards

Indecisive
2004-04-01, 11:22 AM
wtf. STOP RAISING THE GODDAMN PRICE.

Mag
2004-04-01, 11:24 AM
I propose that everyone here grabs a Vanguard and an MCG, and we go raid OPEC.

Indecisive
2004-04-01, 11:25 AM
*buys their overprices gas* *burns down OPEC HQ with it*

Mag
2004-04-01, 11:26 AM
Ahh, even better, poetic justice.

Onizuka-GTO
2004-04-01, 11:57 AM
It's a shame, Americans always complain about expensive petrol, but compared to British petroleum prices, its a bargain!
Honestly, you lot take it for granted... :rolleyes:

Kikinchikin
2004-04-01, 12:17 PM
Damnit! WTF can't we drill in Alaska? It's all snow and ice up there anyway! *end narrow minded redneck stereotype attitude*

Honestly though, Alaska is so f'in huge we could afford to at least tap into some of its oil. I mean that is why we bought the damn thing back in the 50's. I want it to go back to a year and a half ago when prices were at 95 cents to 1 dollar.

Hamma
2004-04-01, 12:18 PM
We can't drill it because its one of the few natural places left in the US.

OneManArmy
2004-04-01, 12:52 PM
yea fuck that, I'm not a tree huggin hippie but I'm all for not fucking up what beautiful places we have left in nature.

Kikinchikin
2004-04-01, 03:21 PM
But it's Alaska! It's so cold! I bet probably less than 10 percent of the US population will ever visit there. I see your point and I share your views on industrialization. Recently some asshole who owns a convenience store on our corner cut down about 5 or 6 acres of woods behind his store because the county wouldn't let him move his gas pumps back a few feet. What a dickwad, he actually infringed upon my good friend's property while doing it, and my friend is laying a lawsuit of 10k on him for breaching his property and for violating the buffer zone of privacy. I guess I'm like the people someone mentioned earlier in the thread. I have no qualms about industrializing a place as long as it's not near me. Call it selfish, because it probably is, but I think they could afford to drill somewhere. Maybe in a place that is not designated as a park and doesn't have any wildlife (wasteland).

Spee
2004-04-01, 03:43 PM
It's a shame, Americans always complain about expensive petrol, but compared to British petroleum prices, its a bargain!
Honestly, you lot take it for granted... :rolleyes:


/signed.


The euro(not british, I know) is around 1.5 the value of the dollar. May have gone up since the dolalrs value has just been shit on. And I think that a gallong of gas over in the UK costs about 5 euro?


5x1.5


thats about 7.5 dolalrs a fucking gallon.


This sucks, as I drive a lot, but Im not gonna bitch.

Red October
2004-04-01, 04:10 PM
Speaking as an econimist, OPEC is a Cartel or a.k.a "collusion" which often "fixes' price's instead of letting the free market determine the price. Typically collusion doesn't last long as the urge to sell at a lower price than thier nieghbors/competitors to reap a higher profit becomes evident. However, given the current geo-political situation, the unity of the cartel may be stronger than usual and hence could last much longer.

As for Alaska, the State Government to my understanding is more than willing to drill. The issue is the Oil is on Federal Lands and thus subject to Federal Regulations. Depending on the current circumstances of environment, bureacracy and Congress, permission to drill may not be available. Drillers state that the technology is there to drill with minimal impact, but environmental groups often critisize as being too optomistic.

The weak dollar may also be contributing to the price. Granted a week dollar usually increases exports and generally helps in an economy (providing jobs, etc.), but importing energy could offset such gains possibly. More research is needed to determine the exact effect.

European price's have always been higher vs. the US. But its important to note that Public Transportation in Europe is far more developed than in the US. Hence, automobiles are relied upon much more heavily until public transportation in the US catches up.

Now speaking from myself......FUCK THEM!!! Drill the damn wells in Alaska! Impact of drilling would be minimal! There just making a stink (and they do since they don't shave...anywhere). Tree hugging hippies can take hike up Rabid Grizzly Trail for all I care! Screw the UN on this as well. Lets do what the Arabs keep saying were there for. Lets suck Iraq dry and leave it. They want to call us invaders...fine lets be invaders and tell them if they don't shape up, thier next. /rant

Kikinchikin
2004-04-01, 04:14 PM
/agree with rant

Mr1337Duck
2004-04-01, 05:33 PM
It's because the Indians up there are bitching about how it's unnatural to be drilling there. Never mind that they shoot the deer from the backs of modern-day snowmobiles with high-powered rifles.

Hamma
2004-04-01, 05:37 PM
Nice post Red :thumbsup:

FlakMan
2004-04-01, 05:37 PM
I think it'd be fun if they started rationing gas again

Jennyboo
2004-04-01, 05:39 PM
:( i know it makes things harder and more expensive for Hamma and I .. hopefully no more trips back to Canada for awhile :love: :nazi: (-- down with oil nazi's

MilitantB0B
2004-04-01, 05:47 PM
I think it'd be fun if they started rationing gas again
Funny is not how I would describe it...

I agree wholeheartedly with Red october.

Another thing that couldn't hurt is to try to get Venezuala back on its feet, as it has a metric ass-load of oil as well, but is in too much unrest to do anything about it. The only thing is that if we did help Venezuala get on their feet they would probably just screw us on oil prices like everyone else.

I am with Dennis Miller on this subject when he said," Isn't it odd that gas in Kuwait is like cents a gallon, but $2 in America? You would think they could cut us a break considering we are the reason they aren't under that twisted fruit, Saddam husien.

But hey, that is all for a different forum, so to mantain the peacefull laidback discussion style of the lounge, forget everything read above and read this:

OMFG! Oil costs more! My wallet was just WTFPWNED by OPEC... :(

AztecWarrior
2004-04-01, 05:56 PM
I may just have to get a crappy import hybrid for my first car. :(

MilitantB0B
2004-04-01, 11:33 PM
I may just have to get a crappy import hybrid for my first car. :(
Probably a pretty good idea, kinda wishing I could trade my Explorer for a civic right about now... And us in Texas don't even have it as bad as other areas.

Bighoss
2004-04-01, 11:43 PM
OPEC better be careful, countries will eventually develop alternate forms of power if they keep being assholes like this. Then we'll light their oil fields on fire and dance while they cry.

Onizuka-GTO
2004-04-02, 01:06 AM
Thats if they don't light it first, during some random military conflict.......... :rolleyes: