Godlike Computer Help

[Disconnections]

Hi everyone i'm new to the forums here but ive been reading the tech forums at my school for a long time now snice its unblocked. I own and i'm on a mac and thus the name: Disconnections I really want a new computer to play the following games: Planetside, Command and Conquer Generals, Doom 3, and hopefully any other cool game coming out soon or sometime this year.

At first I was planning to buy the parts to build a computer from newegg.com and build it myself. But but my parnets told me they would pay for the difference if I bought a pre-built system. So after reading the recommadtions from older threads I looked at Falcon-Northwest and Alienware

I compared the intel to the AMD and I found that the exterme edition 3.4ghz p4 is what im looking for so I bought an alienware...... that was as big of a mistake as owning a mac. Does anyone know were I could get a pre-built computer with a p4 3.2 ghz or 3.4 ghz exterme edition p4 other then alienware?

[Disconnections]

I forgot to metion in case your wondering I did not get my aleinware comp yet..... I really want to cancel my order to them but at this point I might as well get a prebuilt if my parnets are welling to pay the differnce to do that instead of buying it from newegg.com which would cost a little over 2,330.50 $$

[Disconnections]

honestly I would appreciate all of your input on why you think intel's suck it was not my intension to flame or put you down I just wanted you to explain yourself even tho it has nothing to do with the thread. no offense man just dont say intel sucks and leave it at that

[Rbstr]

Ok, i am unclear as to what you want us to do, forget those happended

[Disconnections]

Hey Rbstr can you help me out? I was wondering if there is any other companys that build computers with the intel p4 exterme edition 3.2ghz or 3.4ghz? any company other then alienware.

[Rbstr]

thse guys have em http://www.falcon-nw.com/
i think dell deos but I woudl never recomend a dell
the 3.4gh EE's are new so not many are around yet. Personaly if your gooing for EE price i woudl get an Athlon 64 FX-53. intel is goign though a socket change very soon too, if you want to wait a bit

[Disconnections]

Thanks for all the help i'll give falcon nw a call to see how fast I might be able to get one. I didnt want to build my own computer unless I had to. My cousin got an area 51 laptop as a graduation present but he never got it untill 6 months later I didnt know this until after I already ordered my computer and they're doing the same thing to me: delaying the order 3 weeks every week. Even tho they prosimed "9 days" for it to be built and shipped out so i'm getting desperate for someone else who I can rely on to live up to their promisses.

[Disconnections]

As for the socket change? what do you mean?
I know asus is changing things around for new ram hopely by this summer. Does intel or AMD have plans to make changes to?

[DeadTeddy]

it means you won't be able to upgrade your CPU unless you buy a new motherboard.
I strongly suggest buying from newegg, because I don't trust anything I don't build myself. only thing you get from buying pre built is tech support. you can save that 1k and use it if you ever need to by calling a tech guy for like 100$

[smccord313]

I've looked at a lot of different computer companies, and the one I eventually decided on was ABS (http://www.abspc.com/). I ordered a computer from them that had the same stuff in it as a highend system from Alienware or Falcon for over $700 less. I priced it on all three sites.

No, ABS will not save you as much as building it yourself. But if you don't know how to build a computer yourself or think you will screw something up, this is the best way to go.

ABS has Extreme Editions as well, but I would go with the FX-53 if money is no object. The socket change is coming soon for Intel proccessors, and with the current mobos out, the FX-53 tops the EE in almost every game.

Personally, if you're paying for this yourself, I don't think either one is worth it. You can get a P4 3.4C (or E) or an Athlon 64 3400+ for about a third of the cost of the FX-53 or 3.4EE. You will get performance that is not too far off the mark of these high-end proccessors as well.

So if I were you, I'd do yourself a favor and save some money by ordering your system from ABS and putting an Athlon 64 3400+ or a P4 3.4C (or E) in it. Add a 9800pro (or XT, if you wanna spend the extra money) and a gig of RAM, and you've got a computer that will shread just about any game out there at a constant 60fps.

But it's up to you. If money is no object and you've got a ton to blow with nothing better to spend it on, and you want the absolute fastest rig you can buy, go ahead and order the P4EE or FX-53 system from Falcon. But IMO, it isn't worth the hundreds, or maybe even a thousand or more extra you will pay.

StrikerTek
Planetside KAAOS

[Rbstr]

/agreed

[NoSurrender]

www.ibuypower.com is good too. not the fanciest but, very competitive prices. ABS is a good company. a old renengade buddy of mine got his from there and he loved it when it was fast. (that was like 4 years ago so :) )

[Cyanide]

think dell deos but I woudl never recomend a dell
the 3.4gh EE's are new so not many are around yet. Personaly if your gooing for EE price i woudl get an Athlon 64 FX-53. intel is goign though a socket change very soon too, if you want to wait a bit

I thought AMD was changing to socket 939 shortly too. If I were you, I'd wait until motherboards with PCI Express cards start shipping, because if you get a PC now, you're going to need a new motherboard in 10 - 18 months when you will be looking for a new videocard again. This time of year is not the best time to be buying a high end system. Lots of companies role out new stuff in the early summer to early fall. I would definately wait a while if I were you.

If you absolutely can't wait for the new stuff to come out. I would recommend an Athlon64 over a P4 anything. MS's new OS will be 64 bit, and a lot of major game developers are developing their next generation engines for 64 bit processors. When that happens, your 64 bit AMD will smoke a P4 extreme edition.

In addition to Falcon NW you might want to check out Polywell.com too. They aren't as popular as Falcon but they're definately just as good.

[Ait'al]

Do any prebuilts put in enough cooling for the 3.4 prescotts?

i thought AMD was still continuing there old sockets though. It should just be there highest processor line or two(i think there were 2 plus a workstation proccessor.) that will have the 939.

Edit: I know its huge. im on 1920x1440, i dont notice it as much. I have to change it to my new comp stats too.

[Cyanide]

Do any prebuilts put in enough cooling for the 3.4 prescotts?

Yes. And your sig is obnoxiously huge.

[Rbstr]

I thought AMD was changing to socket 939 shortly too. If I were you, I'd wait until motherboards with PCI Express cards start shipping, because if you get a PC now, you're going to need a new motherboard in 10 - 18 months when you will be looking for a new videocard again. This time of year is not the best time to be buying a high end system. Lots of companies role out new stuff in the early summer to early fall. I would definately wait a while if I were you.

If you absolutely can't wait for the new stuff to come out. I would recommend an Athlon64 over a P4 anything. MS's new OS will be 64 bit, and a lot of major game developers are developing their next generation engines for 64 bit processors. When that happens, your 64 bit AMD will smoke a P4 extreme edition.

In addition to Falcon NW you might want to check out Polywell.com too. They aren't as popular as Falcon but they're definately just as good.

yep your right AMD is goin to socket 939, and bringing dualchannel unbuffered/registered memory to all A64 lines so if may be worth while.

Ame goes for PCI express coming

Realy 64bit is a non issue becuse WinXP64 may not be out till early next year and by then Intel will be shiping its 64bit enabled CPU's (presscot core acctualy have it on chip just dissabled BTW, and it the same instructions as a64) longhorn is not a 64 bit system either it will be both. and that not out till late 2k5 to 2k6. The only system that support A64bit instruktions are linux, but i haven't heard anything about 64bit edditoons of games for linux

EDIT: Forgot to say Ait Was wrong all athlons are moving over to the new platform, except the FX51 and maybee the 2800+, even non-64bit athlons will be on it thogh some will also have other socket support(fx-53, and the regular 64's for a while)

[Ait'al]

That thing you found RBSTR, that dev thing from ATI, said longhorn isnt coming out till 2006.

EDIT: Forgot to say Ait Was wrong all athlons are moving over to the new platform, except the FX51 and maybee the 2800+, even non-64bit athlons will be on it thogh some will also have other socket support(fx-53, and the regular 64's for a while)

Isnt that about what i said. :D lol

[Cyanide]

Realy 64bit is a non issue becuse WinXP64 may not be out till early next year and by then Intel will be shiping its 64bit enabled CPU's (presscot core acctualy have it on chip just dissabled BTW, and it the same instructions as a64) longhorn is not a 64 bit system either it will be both. and that not out till late 2k5 to 2k6. The only system that support A64bit instruktions are linux, but i haven't heard anything about 64bit edditoons of games for linu

Nobody is going to buy WinXP64. Any 64 bit chip out there has no problem handling 32 bit windows XP. Besides, who knows how long he'll have that chip. Lots of people don't upgrade their processor more than once every 3 - 4 years. Anyway, I know Long horn isn't exclusively 64bit, but it is 64bit, it just also has 32bit support as well.

It still stands that the performance difference between an Athlon64 and a P4 EE is barely noticable for the most part and definately isn't worth paying more for what is in actuality a more primative technology.

[Disconnections]

Remember that all I have is a mac that can play pong and mybe tetris with major lag and slide show effects. I really want to play ps as soon as I can I used to play all the time at a friends house back in beta. Are you sure its worth waiting awhile or buy now?

[Rbstr]

I would wait one month before ordeing and get an Athon 64 3700+ or something(non fx) that uses dual channel memory on an Nforce 3 25-gb board. SAve money and wup the P4c/e's ass (EEs are jsut a bad buy imo)

and no ait you assaid they were gona keep making Athlons for teh socket they have no and i said no thay aren't the last new chips for those are the 2800+ and FX-53 after taht ALL athlons including non 64bit ones will be on socket 939

[Electrofreak]

"Nobody is going to buy WinXP64..."
-Aital
:rolleyes:

"There is no reason for any individual to have a computer in his home."
-Ken Olsen (1926 - ), President, Digital Equipment, 1977


edit- Aital, home desktop 64-bit processors (which are being made by AMD and are in development by Intel) run significantly faster on a 64-bit platform. Win XP 64 is currently in a public beta phase, and at this point runs only slightly worse than regular Win XP because the drivers that have been made for it aren't very efficient yet. As more people buy 64-bit processors, more people will want to gain the speed advantage of running on a 64-bit platform. As more people run 64-bit platforms, 64-bit games will begin to be developed. As 64-bit games come out, even more people will migrate to the Win XP 64 OS. But thats just MY opinion... :p

[Rbstr]

edit then at teh top ther is a dellet button but i will do it for you this time

[Electrofreak]

::looks all over:: uh... no delete button to be found here...

[Cyanide]

I said nobody is going to buy XP64. If you're going to counter what somebody said, at least counter the right person.

First of all, do you have any idea how small the market share for home 64bit computing is? It's next to nothing. By 2006 it will probably have a decent market share after Intel has been marketing them for a year or so. Even then, it won't be more than 1/3 of home computers that have a 64bit CPU. By the time 64bit has a decent market share Longhorn will be just around the corner. You'd have to be stupid to buy XP64 and then spend another $150-$300 on Longhorn relatively soon after.

[Rbstr]

I agree Cyanide

Electro hit edit and the edit page will load there is a box that says delete this message with a bubble thing and a button.

Also i'm buying th emeory tomarrow and i'l have it on monday so we can work out the deal sometime next week

[Mag-Mower]

i think dell deos but I woudl never recomend a dell
See, your lucky you have the chance to get an alienware, whtas wron with them? Atleast you got to design it, here I am stuck with a celeron 2.0ghz, 256mb ram, integrated video!like come on! it makes me cry that i cant play bf1942/V UT04', i can barley play planetside... :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[Rbstr]

I would never buy a computer from a manufacturer, unless i needed to get my sister on of those $300 pieces a shit so she can do AIM all night long.

The reason i don't liek dell is one, thier marketing strategy, and two thier prices, (as a semi-three point they buy the lowest quality OEM parts to put in even thier best machines)

If you will look at thist thread you will see waht a meen, an ultimat gaming computer with an FX5200, that performs worse in games than the ATi integrated Video chipsets they just realeased,
and it cost 3k ish as you can see with wildegals thread we made him a kickass machine for 1k, no monitor, but monitors don't cost 2k and bring down your performance

[Mag-Mower]

I agree dell sux!$2000cdn, 1 year ago, that how much this piec of shit costs!
(my new thing is comparisons)
Dell XPS-3.4ghz,2gb ram(low clocked) 60gb hard drive, 256 radieon se-$4000cdnthats it, thats all
my own custom sys-Athlon 64,3gb ram, GeforceFx5900 256, 180 gb hard drive-$3000cdn w/monitor,key board, mouse, ethernet,modem
Which one will i buy?

we all know! the custom design! dell isnt worth shi*