AMD vs Intel?

[1024]

Which is better for running games in general? (type of game...BF:V, CoD, etc.)

[Rbstr]

Well if you have then money for a 2k system the Athlon 64 is your best bet, and soon it will be your bets bet for budget systems with the new socket

But right now the 2.8-3.2 ghz P4c's are the winners with the 865/875 chipsets.

[Electrofreak]

/me looks at topic name and predicts a coming holocaust

::heads down into his bomb shelter::

[Rbstr]

yeah i know, i'm gona keep a tight reign on this one

[Cyanide]

Generally Intel's chips are better for multimedia because applications like games and movies because they are very predictable, so the inefficiencies of the P4s 20 segment pipeline are less magnified. AMD's are better for less predictable software like CAD and other business type apps. This is because they only have a 7 segment pipeline which means when the processor incorrectly predicts the next action, it only has to flush 4 or 5 segments, instead of 15 or 16.

Like Rbstr said though. Right now AMD's Athlon64 is the best overall for the simple fact that it's got a butt load of cache.

[Rbstr]

nah it doesn't have anythign to do with the cache, its just a fast CPU, the P4 has just as much cache.

the P4EE has 2mbytes of cache and the A64 FX-53 beats it in almost everything

[Cyanide]

Athlon64 has 1mb of exclusive L2 cache which is faster than the P4s 512k of L2 cache and the P4EEs 2mb of inclusive L3 cache. The L3 cache is loading data from system ram and then the L2 (which is still 512k) is loading from the L3 cache. Where as the Athlon64s 1mb of L2 cache loads data directly from system memory.

The amount of cache isn't the only thing that matters. The way it's used makes a big difference too.

[1024]

I talked to my dad and he said that the Athalon64 is great, but right now theres no operating system that can support it.

It doesn't really matter anyways because i have a budget of about $400, and i want to get a new motherboard, along with the processor and some DDR RAM. In terms of RAM, I want somewhere around 758, but i'll probably end up with 512. Do you think it will make a that much of a difference if i get 512 isntead?

Any overall suggestions for the circumstances i'm under?

[Cyanide]

Well, for one thing, the Athlon64 is 64bit and 32bit. So it is supported by WindowsXP and any other operating system that supports 32bit x86. The 64bit extentions are not supported though.

It really depends on how your cash flow is and what kind of deal you can get on a processor. If you can get a 3.0 p4 instead of a 3.2 p4 with a price difference of about the cost of a 256mb stick of ram, then I'd go with more ram and a slightly slower processor. Otherwise, go with the fastest processor and motherboard now, and upgrade the ram to 768 or 1 gig later.

[Electrofreak]

::hugs his AMD 64 3200+::

:)

[Rbstr]

wioth only 400 bucks i would have to go intel, a P4 2.4/6/8 and a Asus P4p800,

get the 2 512 sticks though even if you have to get a .2ghz less processor, becuase that will make a bigger difference

[Acaila]

Hyper threading makes for extremely smooth gameplay. I am an advocate of a P4 2.6 800 FSB OCed on P4P800. Taking into account OCing, it is 1 of the best value midrange CPUs, OCes really high without heating problems.

If you have the money to but a high end chip, it is all personal preference basically, they are all good. However cost wise, the high end P4s end up being cheaper (not the extreme edition) when you include m/b and P4 3.2 performs about the same as an AMD64 3.4. If you have money coming out your ass, AMD64 FX is about the fastest thing in desktop processors that isn't made by Silicon Graphics.

[UncleDynamite]

Plus, the Athlon 64 won't become obsolete anytime soon. In fact, it'll become even better once 64 bit software becomes available.

[1024]

wioth only 400 bucks i would have to go intel, a P4 2.4/6/8 and a Asus P4p800,

get the 2 512 sticks though even if you have to get a .2ghz less processor, becuase that will make a bigger difference
It's seriously better to get more RAM than have a faster proc??

[Electrofreak]

Well, it matters. With PlanetSide, its definately a good idea to get as much RAM as possible. It will make a huge diff even if your CPU isnt so hot.

Also, you don't want to get a pwning CPU and lousy RAM that cannot take advantage of the FSB. On the flip side, you don't want to get DDR500 RAM and a CPU that only has 533mhz FSB. A balance is needed.

I'll hopefully be OCing my AMD 64 3200+ from 200 up to 230 FSB (x10) and my HyperX PC3500 RAM from 217 to 230 mhz, running them both at 1:1 ratio for max performance. Hopefully this will compensate for the fact that my CPU cannot run RAM in dual channel :(

RAM should be here tomorrow, I'll be sure to tell you guys how well the OC goes (whether you want to hear it or not lol)

edit: UncleDynamite is right. Exactly why I bought an AMD 64. I'm looking to keep this CPU for a while (year or 2) and I want to be future-proofed. Sure, there arent many 64-bit apps out yet, but a beta build of WIN XP 64 has already been released to the public, so you know which way Microsoft is going. And where Microsoft goes, game companies follow...

[Fragmatic]

I talked to my dad and he said that the Athalon64 is great, but right now theres no operating system that can support it.

Wrong.

The processor can do 32bit stuff too, and works under normal Windows XP, and they outperform p4's in 32 bit applications.

[Electrofreak]

Fragmatic is right. AMD 64 is a 32-bit compatible 64-bit processor. If it wasnt compatible with 32 bit OS, how could I be running Win XP on my AMD 64? Also, as Frag said, its 64-bit processing ability means that it handles 32-bit processing better than even 32-bit chips do. This is why it is such a great chip right now.

Also, when some nice 64-bit drivers get released for Win XP 64 (which, as I mentioned, is currently in a public beta, and the current driver support is rather weak) AMD 64s will perform even BETTER than they currently do with a 32-bit OS. Basically, as soon as my CPU starts to get a bit obsolete, I will start running it on Win XP 64 and hopefully be able to play catch-up a bit.

Edit: Oh, and 1024, your father is a dumbass. Make sure he is informed of this fact plz.

[1024]

He's is not a dumbass, he's just misinformed/not up with the times. No need to fling around insults. He's a structural engineer, not a computer tech, so theres no need for him to keep up with the stuff.

And how much does the AMV 64 go for right now?

[Fragmatic]

Clicky (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-424&depa=0) That's the retail price for a 3000+ with heatsink.

[Cryptica]

Edit: Oh, and 1024, your father is a dumbass. Make sure he is informed of this fact plz.

Not cool, electro. Why'd you have to say something like that? I'm sure you wouldn't like it if someone called you or your father a dumbass just for being misinformed. Very childish.

Anyways, I've heard nothing but awesome reviews for the Athlon 64, and with a 7 segment pipeline it runs a lot smoother. As for RAM vs. proc speed, I'd say as long as you have 2.4Ghz or higher, you're fine. Right now it's enough to run anything you need, and the money would be better spent upgrading RAM. I'm planning on picking up a new pc soon, prolly gonna forfeit the 3.4 Ghz proc for a 3.2 and upgrade the RAM to at least 1 gig, if I have enough mula.

[Electrofreak]

jesus. I made that statement tongue-in-cheek. Get a sense of humor people.

I realize that most people's parents are misinformed. Hell, my mother doesnt know the difference between RAM and a Hard Drive. My dad is almost as bad.
:rolleyes:

People love to get worked up over stuff, god...