The new empire based Deliverers and fury

[TheRegurgitator]

Look at it, awesome huh?
http://planetside.station.sony.com/game_updates/development.jsp?category=Development&id=61826
Might want to put that in the PSU news section.

[martyr]

i'm dissapointed with the vanu version deliverer.

[Subterfuge]

I can't even understand all that jibberish they pull on Vanu, Oh well I guess Ill have to see it action before I judge it.

[ultramagneus]

i'm dissapointed with the vanu version deliverer.


me too......

[Breed]

What did u vanu expect?
Dual lashers?

[MrPaul]

All Empires gain access to the Fury, and ATV equipped with the Hellfire Rocket Launcher. Whoops. SOE's grammar fails again...

Anyway, as I have ground transport on the TR, I like the sound of these new vehicles. (Finally, something the TR get that's probably better than it's counterparts.)

So when are these going to make it to the proper servers, and off of the test servers eyy??

[shorts41]

I don't know, I don't like the sound of the fury. It's probably just going to be a pain in the rear end to every tank driver. But the empire specific deliverers sound like a good idea. Are they even on the test server yet? :confused:

[ChewyLSB]

No, but yet people are already people complaining about it on the OF, when there is barely a screenshot of the deliverer's. :lol:

[Otherick]

I wonder what the VS and NC deliverers are. But still you gotta admire SOE they are trying

[BUGGER]

The Furry seems kool, and so do the specail deliverers. But whos going to use the old Basliliks and Deliverers. Like you got 2 more guns on the battlewagon, why use two?

[ChewyLSB]

Well if you only have two gunners, use the old deliverer. If you want a gun that can aim, you'd choose the lisk over the fury. For teh VS, use the old Deli if you need anti air, and use the Aurora if you don't need AA. I can't see a situation for the NC to use the old Deli, though...

[Deadlock]

The "new deli's" are slower and dont handle as well as the original.... atleast i think i read that.

[Doppler]

Old deliverer probly has higher rate of fire so better for AA. Probly bigger clip too. I cant see how people are complaining before shit even hits test servers.

[Lartnev]

Old deliverer probly has higher rate of fire so better for AA. Probly bigger clip too. I cant see how people are complaining before shit even hits test servers.

I think that's what SmokeJumper said, why are people complaining when the Thunderer and the Aurora haven't even been modelled yet?

The new deliverers will be slower than the old one. I expect they'll also make them required tech plants.

[Seer]

***@$*%^@( flux cannon! @O$&%@# @#$@ @#$

[Rbstr]

THEY USED MY GAUSS CANNON IDEA W0oT!!!

[AltaEgo]

The Furry seems kool, and so do the specail deliverers. But whos going to use the old Basliliks and Deliverers. Like you got 2 more guns on the battlewagon, why use two?


Very good point. The old Basilisk and Deliverer will very rarely be used, if not at all.
One other thing, all the talk about this new patch in the process; they seem to have forgot that we've been rolled back to 2.5 again, and that 2.6 needs sorting out.

[Rayder]

The old Deliverers are transports, the empire specific ones are battle vehicles (excluding the Battle Wagon seeing as it can hold as many as the Deliverer). The Aurora. This one poses problems. You people wonder why we VS complain about it before even seeing it? Because it uses something akin to the Flux cannon, which sucks monkey balls, and the only reason the Thresher is even mildly good with it is because it has speed, which this new Deliverer doesn't have. The other two will be good against air as well as ground, however, the VS get jacked again and can only attack ground effectively, seeing as it's a fucking lobber.

[DeadTeddy]

good luck hunting infantry with a fixed rocket launcher, the basi is staying.
as for the other delis, I'm guessing the TR will use the 20 mm deli for small crews cause 20mm > 15 mm and nobody said the guass cannon will have a decent ROF. it's a cannon. VS have a flux cannon, no worries.

the fury really screams "manta" to me. the tank thing gives it away. the manta in UT2k4 is absolutely the most fun weapon in an FPS to date, and I'm guessing the devs saw that too. imaging a squad of those jumping around like a pack of wolves tank hunting.

[KIAsan]

Hehe, just when you think they something would come TR's way just once. Yeah, let me see, I can trade my dual 20mms for dual 15mms, and it's slower and handles worse. Hmm, tough choice.

But I won't complain until I see it in action. Just looks a little stupid on the face of it.

[ChewyLSB]

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have four 15 mm's than two 20 mm's, so I'm happy with the Battle Wagon

[TheRegurgitator]

The only counterattack to the battlewagon would be a tank or possibly a heavy buggy
considering that those guns would rip through soft targets like infantry

EDIT: oh yeah and the flux cannon, thats the thing on the back of the magrider, the thing on top of the threser is a PPA - Pulsed Particle Accelerator

[TheN00b]

Hehe, just when you think they something would come TR's way just once. Yeah, let me see, I can trade my dual 20mms for dual 15mms, and it's slower and handles worse. Hmm, tough choice.

But I won't complain until I see it in action. Just looks a little stupid on the face of it.

KIA, you do realize that there are four 14mm's on the Battlewagon, and two 20mm's on the Deliverer? Hmm, hard choice...

[PhoenixTypeX]

Flux cannon! �$&�%"$^&"&"�!$ ! For god sake every empire specific idea for the VS empire should not be stick a crappy flux cannon on it! Bloody hell give us something decent to fire with. And whats with that "you can empty all your clip to rain terror on opponents" or something to that effect, all I can say is you NC and TR are going to get bonfire night early with the pretty sparklers we will be firing. BUT still a good idea and they will be better than the old deliverers. :D

[Rbstr]

if you don't want energy weapons don't be VS

[NewCong. Marine]

I don't think I'd wanna see that BattleWagon in the field... A good deliverer crew can take out a vanguard, stick four guns on it and slow it down a bit... everything will die! But can these new ones still float?

[JetRaiden]

I don't think I'd wanna see that BattleWagon in the field... A good deliverer crew can take out a vanguard, stick four guns on it and slow it down a bit... everything will die! But can these new ones still float?

take out a vanguard? maybe one without a gunner?

[NewCong. Marine]

take out a vanguard? maybe one without a gunner?

I've had it happen to me before. First I was gunning for a van, then I was in my enforcer and this crew in a deliverer was tearing about. Killed me both times.

[JetRaiden]

I've had it happen to me before. First I was gunning for a van, then I was in my enforcer and this crew in a deliverer was tearing about. Killed me both times.

ouch. :lol:

I wont let you gun my van. :p

[martyr]

oh yeah and the flux cannon, thats the thing on the back of the magrider, the thing on top of the threser is a PPA - Pulsed Particle Accelerator
you've got those backwards. on the _front_ of the magrider (the driver's weapon) you'll find the PPA; the main gun is a "rail beam." the thresher uses a "flux cannon"

if you don't want energy weapons don't be VS

see, that's ok with me ... if it was actually an energy weapon.

here's what gets me:

if it's an energy weapon, why do the projectiles fall?

i think that the vanu deliv ("aurora"?) should be armed with weapons styled after either the ppa or lancer. as it stands now, i would definitely stick with the old deliverer; no doubt about it.

[Rbstr]

but with your reasoning why do the balistick weapons fall at such an alarming rate, and why dont small arms fall?

Why not have indirect weapons, you don't have any and it would be very helpfull getting rid of those hidden Phoenix users. Its obviously going to be AI, and the lobbed weapons are better at AI in my oppinion, becasue its far easier to get it to hit at thier feet, with the direct fire you can shoot it right past them much easier.

[Kaymon]

I honestly think we should reserve judgement until the damn things are at least on the test server.

[Acaila]

VS have the best AA currently in the game, quit complaining you can't attack air effectively with your new toy. How do you think a Prowler feels compared to Magrider? Or a Sparrow to a Starfire MAX?

The TR version should be the most powerful, if you need 1.7* the number of people to use its full capabilities, it should beat the others convincingly in an encounter. Should.

[UncleDynamite]

Sounds great. I'm liking the TR Battlewagon a lot, since it'll be a great combat vehicle AND transport. The original Deliverer should be the only one that can still float, though, to keep some balance.

[Rayder]

Well... the Aurora. It's the fact that it's a type of Flux Cannon, and the one currently on the Thresher is only good because the Thresher is so fast. This new Deliverer will be slower than the current one, so, it really depends on how fast it shoots, what the arc is like, how much damage it does, etc. etc. The others we already know are gonna kick ass, it's the VS having a weapon that is rather useless put onto something that will be compared to two others of the same type that are far superior.

[KIAsan]

KIA, you do realize that there are four 14mm's on the Battlewagon, and two 20mm's on the Deliverer? Hmm, hard choice...
Crap, that's what I get for trying to read something so early in the morning. Mind skipped over the 4 part and substituted 2.

Hmm, now I'm really getting worried. Has it started snowing in hell? Is this one of the signs of the Apocalypse? Is the world coming to an end? All must be true if they are going to give TR a better weapon system. Come to think about it, SOE must have something up their sleeve to keep TR in their place. Oh, I got it, slower and poorer handling! The thing probably drives at the pace of a stamina drained rexo and turns with the speed of a max walking backward. Only then can I believe that TR is getting this thing.

Wait, it just dawned on me. We will need 5 TR to field this thing effectively!!!! Let me guess, the other empires will only need 2. The world isn't ending after all.

[Seer]

Between the TR needing 5 people to max out their empire specific deliverer and the Vanu getting the flux cannon, this empire specific deliverer thing looks to go to the NC.

[PhoenixTypeX]

Its not a case of TR need to max out the deliverer as they could just have 3 gunners and it would be great. The point is the VS are having a bit of a pointless weapon stuch on the top of it. The TR and NC have little basis to argue at the moment as their empire spec deliverers will be good regardless. The VS can argue about it as the idea for our empire specific deliverer is flawed in itself.

[Incompetent]

The Vanu Sovereignty has developed the Aurora, which is equipped with two Flux Pod Launchers, a weapon with similar effects to the Flux Cannon, but with an indirect arc of fire. It's not the flux cannon for fucks sake, quit bitching until you see it. It's like someone bitching (by someone who hasn't used it) that 150mm on the Vanguard isn't effective enough because the 12mm also has "mm" in the name.

[WildEagle]

what's a flux canon

[Hoza]

A lot of these arguments depend on what the purpose of the new Deli's are. If they are still supposed to be mainly transports to get half a squad (Or a modrunner / llu carrier) from A -> B safely then the weapons should be defensive i.e. to discourage air attacks or make infantry think twice about sticking their heads up. Seems to me that the TR / NC varients have this in ******, where as the VS defense (as a concept - I know we haven't seen them yet!) seems to be a bit lacking.

The arguments about VS having the best AA seem a bit moot to me here, as I doubt that the Starfire (In non auto run mode), Magrider or Lancer wielder will be able to keep up with the Aurora so that leaves the common pool SkyGuard. (Interestingly as TR claim that they require 5 people to make the BattleWagon effective, the VS could make similar claims - 3 people in the Deli and 2 in the Skyguard!)

If on the other hand the varients are designed to be proper Infantry Fighting vehicles (With the appropriate armour buff to compensate for speed reduction.) then the VS has gained a versitile new addition to it's arsenal - They just need to use some common sense when to deploy it i.e. only if you have air superiority. I can see these becomming popular at tower assaults and base defense.

The Dev's have said on the offical forums that we shouldn't let the name fool us, and while the Flux Pod Launcher may be based on the same sort of technology as the Thresher gun it won't share many of it's characteristics, so I think it's probably unfair to compare the two.

[Nereid]

I would think if the flux pod launcher's perjectile speed and arc was the same as the other MBT's cannons then it would be the AI weapon they have been missing on their magrider. Man I wish my lightning could have a gauss cannon then I could snipe back at magriders heh. I think they all have their different advantages and I guess we gonna have to wait till they get put on the test server. Also does the fury have two hellfires or just one? And is it something simular to the firebird or slightly weaker?

[Seer]

Guys, we're not the ones drawing parallels to the flux cannon. That was the developers who did that. So stop saying it's 'unfair' or 'inaccurate' to take the developers at their word.

[Lartnev]

The Dev's have said on the offical forums that we shouldn't let the name fool us, and while the Flux Pod Launcher may be based on the same sort of technology as the Thresher gun it won't share many of it's characteristics, so I think it's probably unfair to compare the two.

About time someone pointed that out :)

Also does the fury have two hellfires or just one? And is it something simular to the firebird or slightly weaker?

Afaik it only has one, but I don't know. I think it'll be equal or slightly more powerful than the Enforcer's firebird system.

[SilverLord]

Afaik it only has one, but I don't know. I think it'll be equal or slightly more powerful than the Enforcer's firebird system.o shit.

[Nereid]

Ive seen different pics of it with a rocket launcher on the left and right side but not together. This is why I thought it might have two. Either way it will act as if it only had one as it will fire from one then the other like all the other dual weapons systems. It prolly will be somewhat effective against prowlers and vanguards from long range but they will prolly subcome to the sniping of a magrider. I believe it only takes two hits from the heavy rail beam to destroy a lisk as it is now.

[AltaEgo]

o shit.

Aye! Heheh.

[Rbstr]

I must say give the lightinings the same weapons, So a guass cannon instead of the 75mm on the Nc and a Fluxpod on the VS instead of the 75 and give the TR quad independantly firinging 15mm's (all shoot at teh same time or the fire one after another with 4* the fire rate)

[Lartnev]

and give teh TR quad independantly firinging 15mm's (all shoot at teh same time or teh fire one after another with 4* the fire rate)

And call it the shilka? :D

[Rbstr]

the whatywaht?

[TheRegurgitator]

and turns with the speed of a max walking backward Maxes turn fast walking backwards though

[Lartnev]

the whatywaht?

The Shilka, Russian Anti Aircraft Artillery:

http://arms.host.sk/artillery/shilka.jpg

[Rbstr]

Yeah like that, only there would be 2 on each side of the turret not 4 in the middle like that

[Doop]

All I have to say to this is - I hope they fix out the dual system. Two Hellfire cannons on the Fury. They should fire at the same time. What's the point of two cannons if they're gonna take turns? The 20mm Reaver cannons, Basilisk guns, Prowler guns, a lot of them - take turns. It's just annoying.

[DeadTeddy]

if they fire together you need double the reload time.

[Rbstr]

they should take turns but fire twice as fast:

it goes bam...bam...bam...bam normaly, the dual should go bambambambambambambam

but if it did go the other way it should fire at the exact same fire rate, as they are speperate weapons and they are not dependant on one another

[Gunslanger]

all of you tell the VS to stop bitching: have you ever been on a thresher and fired a flux cannon? IT SUCKS! VS folks are just worried they are getting tossed a bone becuse the devs couldn't use their imagination and think of anything better. so they said, "well, NC and TR got one, we have to do something...screw it, throw some flux cannnons on that similar to the threshar."
man, i almost NEVER see someone rolling around in a thresher. want to know why? cuz it SUCKS BAD. screw AA. the TR and NC new deliverers will actually be useful. the image VS get is just another crappy vehicle that might look cool, but no one will use. VS have every right to be concerned. we don't know for sure it wil suck, but, when sony brings up the flux cannon, can you blame us for getting worried? i do 100% agree that we don't know for sure it will suck. but, i repeat, VS has every right to be worried about it.

[PhoenixTypeX]

My sentiments exactly

[Nereid]

Thinking the TR battlewagon will be a good substatue for the skyguard along with the ability to harm armored targets and infantry but with better armor then the skyguard. If these 15mm do full damage to armor then they will prolly have the best TTK out of them all but thats saposily what TR are sapose to do. Would be nice for the TR to get a vehicle thats better then the other factions counterparts though for once. It does require 5 crew but then again all of the gunners get a main gun, if our tank was like that we would have no complants.

[martyr]

on the _front_ of the magrider (the driver's weapon) you'll find the PPA; the main gun is a "rail beam." the thresher uses a "flux cannon"

[JakeLogan]

give the TR quad independantly firinging 15mm's (all shoot at teh same time or the fire one after another with 4* the fire rate)
*Drools*

[hex222]

this VS aurora sounds like its armed with halo PC's fuel rod guns.
think about its uses against zergs, i just hope that the devs can get the physics right

[Electrofreak]

a lot of people are saying that the VS Aurora sounds sucky, but I mean they have to have made at least an ATTEMPT at balancing these vehicles, so if the TR's has 4 15mm guns, and the NC has 2 huge guass cannons on top, I'm guessing you can bet that the flux pod launcher will be pretty damn powerful as well.

I can't wait to see what the other 2 variants look like. I hope the PSide art team finishes them up soon...
:drools:

[Vis Armata]

I'll reserve judgment on all of them until I actually see them in action. The ideas all sound cool, though.

[hex222]

any1 think that the vs 1 will hover???
sorry if this has been talked about

[ChewyLSB]

I'll reserve judgment on all of them until I actually see them in action. The ideas all sound cool, though.

Now if only everyone had the same logic, and would stop judging things in the game before there's even as much as a screenshot...

[Electrofreak]

hex222, im guessing not, as these are merely deliverer variants with differernt paint jobs and different guns on top. But hey, it will still be able to go over the water so whats the difference ;)

[TheN00b]

all of you tell the VS to stop bitching: have you ever been on a thresher and fired a flux cannon? IT SUCKS! VS folks are just worried they are getting tossed a bone becuse the devs couldn't use their imagination and think of anything better. so they said, "well, NC and TR got one, we have to do something...screw it, throw some flux cannnons on that similar to the threshar."
man, i almost NEVER see someone rolling around in a thresher. want to know why? cuz it SUCKS BAD. screw AA. the TR and NC new deliverers will actually be useful. the image VS get is just another crappy vehicle that might look cool, but no one will use. VS have every right to be concerned. we don't know for sure it wil suck, but, when sony brings up the flux cannon, can you blame us for getting worried? i do 100% agree that we don't know for sure it will suck. but, i repeat, VS has every right to be worried about it.

For all of you former OFer's, please listen up: Dorothy, you're not in Sudan anymore. Here on PSU, we appreciate well thought-out criticisms, provided that they are well-collated and informative. What we do not appreciate are poorly written, ungrammatical tirades. Consider this a warning from your local Nazi second-in-command.

[PhoenixTypeX]

As far as I can see his argument was balanced and truthfull. What people do not appreciate is people trying to butch up their image and make themselves seem more important by comparing themselves to a terrible time in history (the reign of the nazis) when millions died. Consider this a warning from your local sensible man second-in-command. And anyway Mr BR10 what makes you so sure you know anything about Planetside in comparison to him for all you know he could be a gamer who has been playing since beta. Also Im not quite sure how you think you can be a expert on the VS empire when blackwidow company is a TR outfit and you only seem to have 252 kills in total. You havn't really got many certs either mate have you with your "MA,RE,AV,HA," and thats about it. In future leave people alone and stfu unless you have something reasonable and usefull to say. So what if he didn't include grammer, I'm sure everyone got the gist of what he was trying to say. And actually looking at his post again now he included full stops, commas, speach marks and ooo question marks. Damn kids.

[Doppler]

Lets not get this into a my digital rifle is bigger please. It's tired from both ends.....and i'd school both of you.

[PhoenixTypeX]

Sorry Doppler it just really annoys me when people with valid P.O.V's are flammed without need. He had a good argument.

[ChewyLSB]

The devs have said themselves the flux cannons on the Aurora will not be like the one of the Thresher.

[Doppler]

How can you expect the points to be valid when you havnt even seen the vehicle. I wont deny that the thresher is somewhat lacking, however i think a lot of that is because the Mag is so good. (just IMHO i dont wanna do that discussion right now) So i guess long and short of it is, we can assume that the top mounted gaus cannons wont be exact same as their counterparts so why whould the flux cannons be the same?

[Rbstr]

How do you gusy no the they are goin to be exactaly like the Flux Cannon the threasher has Spork Said it will be nothing alike

[Lartnev]

But hey, it will still be able to go over the water so whats the difference

Not if Biohazard can help it :D

[Onizuka-GTO]

Well i hope it will be okay. I mean its true. Why can't the Dev be a little bit more imaginitive? I mean the VS could of had a hover troop carrier, with a new energy weapon.
TR could of had a Amphibious Tracked vehicle with Larger Chain-gun like weaponary.
TR could of had a eight wheel troop carrier with a large rail-gun like weapon.
It's different and it would of made it much more enjoyable, as it give the player of a certain pride in the specialities of their Empires.
I just don't understand.
And the talk of the "flux" like weaponary IS distressing.
I only use a Thresher for transportation.
No one ever use it to attack the enemy. The weapon there is just to give the thresher some breathing space to get away.
Even the magrider isn't really seen around much.
All opposition say its a great weapon. I think so too, great against reavers.
But if it's so good, how come you don't see so many of them around? how come we don't see them in the great numbers as we see Vanu maxes field? or like the Vanguard?
I think there are some fundamental flaws in the Vanu Empire balance.
[/rant]

Wow. i feel better :)

[EarlyDawn]

This is really enticing me to be a empire driver once shared vehicle XP and chat channel is released, along with those improvements that let you see where cogunners are looking. I'll just pop a Battle Wagon (Should be called the Predator, imo, sticks with the Prowler/Marauder theme), let non squad/outfit guys gun, and just be a wheelman.

I'm worried that the Battle Wagon is gonna get hit with Prower syndrome, where you can't get enough (competent) gunners to gun when you need them. The Thunderer sounds awesome, I hope the heavy gauss cannons are like that gun on the back of the E3 Halo 2 trailer, linear fire, damage per hit between "moderate" and "good", with not so much splash damage, but a knockback radius if it hits a person or lands lear them. The Aurora will be nice, as commented, if they get the physics right and it's like a ripple-fire fuel rod gun.

Don't know about the Fury yet. I wonder if the rocket is gonna have an arc or not.

[TheN00b]

As far as I can see his argument was balanced and truthfull. What people do not appreciate is people trying to butch up their image and make themselves seem more important by comparing themselves to a terrible time in history (the reign of the nazis) when millions died. Consider this a warning from your local sensible man second-in-command. And anyway Mr BR10 what makes you so sure you know anything about Planetside in comparison to him for all you know he could be a gamer who has been playing since beta. Also Im not quite sure how you think you can be a expert on the VS empire when blackwidow company is a TR outfit and you only seem to have 252 kills in total. You havn't really got many certs either mate have you with your "MA,RE,AV,HA," and thats about it. In future leave people alone and stfu unless you have something reasonable and usefull to say. So what if he didn't include grammer, I'm sure everyone got the gist of what he was trying to say. And actually looking at his post again now he included full stops, commas, speach marks and ooo question marks. Damn kids.

Oh, you poor child. My dear boy, I have been playing since September, as all 3 Empires, have been a member of several good Outfits, and have been on PSU since September as well. Calling me a n00b, with statements such as 'Mr BR10' and 'you only have 252 kills total', merely shows your n00b status on PSU. As for the Nazi reference, you may not be aware that a 'nazi' on this forum is one who corrects minute errors in grammar and spelling. In conclusion, please note that the point of my original post was to encourage correct grammar: It makes many of us here on PSU much more inclined to bear out your argument in their own cognitive process.

[Gunslanger]

For all of you former OFer's, please listen up: Dorothy, you're not in Sudan anymore. Here on PSU, we appreciate well thought-out criticisms, provided that they are well-collated and informative. What we do not appreciate are poorly written, ungrammatical tirades. Consider this a warning from your local Nazi second-in-command.
the above person who wrote this is obviously an idiot. instead of posting something to do with the thread-agree or disagree-he attacks my grammer. look here, playa: this is a damn GAME FORUM! i don't give a good goddam how my grammer is here. i type what comes to mind in all lower case. you got a problem with that, don't read my post. in my job, i have to ocaisionally write official memorandums, do official evaluation reports, and many other things. where do you work? mcdonalds?
anyway, back to the real subject...
someone mentioned maybe sony can make it hover. i think that would be awsome. just making it hover alone and keeping the original weapons on there would be great-but, of course, if you make it hover, it just won't be complete without some type of official vanu weapon.
How do you gusy no the they are goin to be exactaly like the Flux Cannon the threasher has Spork Said it will be nothing alike
that sounds GREAT to me! good. i can't access official site from here (work), but, i could swear that it said the weapons on the VS deliverer will be "like" or "similiar" to the flux cannon. or something of that nature. and like i said, of course VS people will ge worried, cuz they all know the flux cannon sucks. VS aren't too concerned with whose is more powerful. i think its more of VS feeling screwed they are going to get a USELESS POS as apposed to the other empires getting (what sounds like) useful vehicles. like i said, of course its a little premature to be judging it at this moment. but, bringing up the flux cannon in comparison was not very smart of sony. now the secondary mode of fire sounds interesting.

[KIAsan]

I don't know, but I still think this is a secret plot to soak up as many TR troops as possible. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. Why not just give us a del with two 30mm guns? Would be just as effective and wouldn't require half a friggin squad to field it effectively.

I will be interested in seeing 1 v 1 fights between all the empire wagons. I bet the VS and NC will be just as effective in battle as TR with 2 less people.

[WildEagle]

wtf is a flux cannon

[Diddy Mao]

That cannon on the thresher!

[TheN00b]

the above person who wrote this is obviously an idiot. instead of posting something to do with the thread-agree or disagree-he attacks my grammer. look here, playa: this is a damn GAME FORUM! i don't give a good goddam how my grammer is here. i type what comes to mind in all lower case. you got a problem with that, don't read my post. in my job, i have to ocaisionally write official memorandums, do official evaluation reports, and many other things. where do you work? mcdonalds?

Intriguing. I hope that you understand that my post was merely a pointer that would certainly induce the intelligent people of this board to pay closer attention to what was said. I know that I and many others will pay much closer attention to an idea when it is carefully written out, with as few excited and ungrammatical exclaimations as possible. If you're more inclined towards the "OMG 1337 hax0r! N3rf teh Lasher!!11", then so be it.

[Hoza]

The following post contains rampant speculation, though not bitching about the weaponary of the Aurora. If you're firmly of the belief that we shouldn't talk about it until it's on play test then I'd advise you not to read.

It sounds to me like the TR have got themselves a super Transport that can defend itself better than the Deli can and will be usefull as a limited Anti Air asset. Only Armour will really pose a threat to the squad inside, as infantry and aircraft get turned to mush by it's multiple guns.

NC have got themselves something more middle of the road, not as defensive perhaps as the BattleWagon, but packs a punch and is able get a half squad about safely. It's a bit less transporty and a bit more tanky (Yes those are real words!). Might even be able to pose a threat to tanks, and will have the Magriders accuracy for aircraft and sniper-like AV'ers.

The VS have got themselves a mobile medium artillary piece - possibly not that great as a transport because it's likely to be vunerable to air attacks, but useful in a number of situations - probably leathal to close packed infantry such as those at a tower or AMS, and with indirect fire may be able to strike at armour and move before being caught. This gives the empire as a whole more flexibility.


I will be interested in seeing 1 v 1 fights between all the empire wagons. I bet the VS and NC will be just as effective in battle as TR with 2 less people.

I think that all the new variants will be useful at different times and have different roles, if the BattleWagon is essentially a super transport then the people inside would have been sat inside a deli anyway - only now they get a gun :)



Like I said, it's all speculation anyway - but it's better than work!

[PhoenixTypeX]

Oh, you poor child. My dear boy, I have been playing since September, as all 3 Empires, have been a member of several good Outfits, and have been on PSU since September as well. Calling me a n00b, with statements such as 'Mr BR10' and 'you only have 252 kills total', merely shows your n00b status on PSU. As for the Nazi reference, you may not be aware that a 'nazi' on this forum is one who corrects minute errors in grammar and spelling. In conclusion, please note that the point of my original post was to encourage correct grammar: It makes many of us here on PSU much more inclined to bear out your argument in their own cognitive process.

Excuse me? Don't patronise me, as far as I can see your only 13 or 14 and if you wonder how I know that it's because it's on your profile. Im a poor child? i'm 25 thank you. I don't care how long you have been on PSU I've been playing since beta but I've only recently come on PSU as the forums have become more acceptable. I don't actually remember calling you a noob at any point and I never use words like that anyway. And do not try baffling me with words like cognitive processes as I have a degree in psychology. And if you want to be grammatically correct, your sentence should read "It makes many of us here on PSU, much more inclined to bear your argument in our own personal cognitive processes. Sounds like you got that out of, one of my old psychology text books. Also maybe you should have thought about adding in some punctuation into the sentence. It's hard for me to be inclined to bear your argument in my cognitive process when it is not written correctly. I find it quite amusing how people think they "rule the world" or so to speak, down a phone or cable wires transmitting binary code when in real life they would be so much more humble and respectfull. Very in-personal talking like this isn't it? Although some people still treat others with respect something which you have failed to do. Gunslanger I am still on your side with this issue even if you did not have full gramatically correct sentences I, as most people will look past that and recognise a good post. I also belive you have no basis to call give me the label of "noob status" seeing as you don't know me, who I am or what I am like. Learn some respect.

[Doppler]

One of you be the bigger man and just drop it, better yet both of you just STFU. I feel like ii'm repeating myself.

[Onizuka-GTO]

One of you be the bigger man and just drop it, better yet both of you just STFU. I feel like ii'm repeating myself.

[SquirrelMan]

One of you be the bigger man and just drop it, better yet both of you just STFU. I feel like ii'm repeating myself.
:chill:

chill.

Anyways, I dont see what's wrong with the Aurora. Even if it is a lobbed flux cannon, it now has two of them. That equals twice the firepower, right? And besides the flail, the VS have no artillery piece (I think...), until the Aurora. It could be very useful.

[KIAsan]

It sounds to me like the TR have got themselves a super Transport that can defend itself better than the Deli can and will be usefull as a limited Anti Air asset. Only Armour will really pose a threat to the squad inside, as infantry and aircraft get turned to mush by it's multiple guns.

I think that all the new variants will be useful at different times and have different roles, if the BattleWagon is essentially a super transport then the people inside would have been sat inside a deli anyway - only now they get a gun :)

Yeah, more people get a gun, but they are only doing a bit more damage. By my count, I see 60mm of gun in a TR wagon, compared to 40mm in a Del. For the same 5 people, I could field 2 dels with the same 60mm. And in that scenario, the two dels would be superior, since they have greater speed/maneuverability over the TR wagon (not to mention a better chance at survival, more ammo, more transport space and more potential to up the damage (add 1 more gunner for 80mm total).

Anyway, I'm waiting to see this on the test server, but so far, this idea for the TR wagon is looking real thin. It is looking like the prowler all over again, more people required to effectively field it, thus less of them on the road. At least we will still have the original del to fall back on and it will give us a new toy to play with for a while.

[Ait'al]

Why the hell dont people drive that thing. You get that much more firepower from everyone fireing all the guns serperatly. Those things shoud be more feared than a legion of vangaurds.

[TheN00b]

Yeah, more people get a gun, but they are only doing a bit more damage. By my count, I see 60mm of gun in a TR wagon, compared to 40mm in a Del. For the same 5 people, I could field 2 dels with the same 60mm. And in that scenario, the two dels would be superior, since they have greater speed/maneuverability over the TR wagon (not to mention a better chance at survival, more ammo, more transport space and more potential to up the damage (add 1 more gunner for 80mm total).

Anyway, I'm waiting to see this on the test server, but so far, this idea for the TR wagon is looking real thin. It is looking like the prowler all over again, more people required to effectively field it, thus less of them on the road. At least we will still have the original del to fall back on and it will give us a new toy to play with for a while.

KIA, I think tah, while you're technically right, you're ignoring operational realities. For example, when you and I were playing with the rest of BWC today, how many people had ground transport? 1. It is not an oft-used certification, and is thus rare. Given that, it is quite optimal even with the manpower restraints: While 2 Deliverers would be more powerful technically, given only one GT-certed character, the Battlewagon is the better choice.

[KIAsan]

You just made my point. Think about it. We would technically be better off with 2 dels, but this will save us a ground transport cert. Big woop dee doo. I was hoping for something more than the devs helping us to save on certs. At least the NC/VS versions will be something new (I hope). And won't require half a squad to actually man the thing. Anyway, as was pointed out before, this is all speculation at this point. I will patiently wait for the thing to be introduced and test it, before commenting anymore.

[TheN00b]

Good point. I'll reserve final judgement until it is released.

[ChewyLSB]

It's the whole speed vs power argument. Would you rather have four 15 mm's that, while weaker, fire more quickly, or two 20mm that are stronger, but fire more slowly.