Trying to pass the draft

[Biohazzard56]

If they reinstated the draft would you want to go?

[Navaron]

I'll go. People who don't are pussies who deserve to be deported TO cuba. If you don't want to serve your country and just sit back and leach everyone else's hard earned freedom, get out.

By the way, the draft won't get reimplemented it's just a scare tactic some stupid senators are talking about to get them some votes.

[jedi]

I'd go in a heartbeat. What pisses me off is people who wouldn't fight for the US but they say they would go and fight for cuba if there was a revolution in cuba even though they weren't even born in cuba.

[Biohazzard56]

I'll go. People who don't are pussies who deserve to be deported TO cuba. If you don't want to serve your country and just sit back and leach everyone else's hard earned freedom, get out.

By the way, the draft won't get reimplemented it's just a scare tactic some stupid senators are talking about to get them some votes.

Agreed, Id go, Iraqis cant shoot worth shit anyway.

[Mag]

Well, war leaves a mental scar, doesn't matter how hard you try, it'll be placed there. Depends on how well you can focus it out. But that's the price of freedom.

[Angel_of_Death]

Agreed, Id go, Iraqis cant shoot worth shit anyway.
Tell that to the 700+ American soldiers dead in Iraq.

I'm Canadian, and no way in hell is conscription ever getting reinstated here, so I'll keep my opinions to myself.

[AztecWarrior]

I'd go, but my mom would kill me first.

Exception: I'd actually enlist in the USAF if we were to attack Cuba. My dad and entire family are exiles.

[Sputty]

The draft hasn't been instated ever in Canadian history IIRC. If it has, it wasn't in WWI or later. It probably would have been if it wasn't for the french Canadians though. They were never willing to fight. in WWI, WWII or any other war. The amount of french compared to Canadians(notice how I didn't say french canadians or french to english?)is laughable. Allow me to pull a Nav and call them pussies.
That being said, I'd go

[Navaron]

Agreed, Id go, Iraqis cant shoot worth shit anyway.


Land mines don't need to aim.

[Sputty]

Fuck I hate the french
Sorry, but that needed posting

[Rbstr]

I would go but not as a foot soldier i would fly something like a heilocopter.

[Onizuka]

I'll go. People who don't are pussies who deserve to be deported TO cuba. If you don't want to serve your country and just sit back and leach everyone else's hard earned freedom, get out.

By the way, the draft won't get reimplemented it's just a scare tactic some stupid senators are talking about to get them some votes.


I wouldn't want to go...So I'm probably some pussy who hates America right? Hell no. I could never kill someone, I'd breakdown. Some people, commonly reffered to as "pussies" aren't meant for war. It would be much easier for me to kill myself...sorry If you dont understand...

[Darksim]

I hate the fucking french and how Canada is fuckin' France Jr.

Canada's so fuckin corrupt.

Fuck...I have to live here.

[Sputty]

I hate the fucking french and how Canada is fuckin' France Jr.

Canada's so fuckin corrupt.

Fuck...I have to live here.
Then leave. First, what are you talking about? France jr.? Shut up. Seriously, go. It's a couple hours drive to the US. No one wants you here. Go away. Now.
I wouldn't want to go...So I'm probably some pussy who hates America right? Hell no. I could never kill someone, I'd breakdown. Some people, commonly reffered to as "pussies" aren't meant for war. It would be much easier for me to kill myself...sorry If you dont understand...
Get a support role dumby.

[AztecWarrior]

I would go but not as a foot soldier i would fly something like a heilocopter.
What he said.

Some people just don't want to risk it all. I think that's a viable minor war strategy. After all, we do need them home to keep working so that we don't have shortages like in WW1 and WW2. Of course, if we go to war with a major country like China...we really can't have thousands fleeing to Canada/Mexico/France or staying in college for like 10 years.

[Searo]

I would fight for the USA, yes.

I'd rather join the USAF and fly fighters, that would be pretty sweet.

[Onizuka]

Then leave. First, what are you talking about? France jr.? Shut up. Seriously, go. It's a couple hours drive to the US. No one wants you here. Go away. Now.

Get a support role dumby.

Possibly...as long as it doesn't involve large gaping wounds and blood spurts.....but I if I had to do it...I would.

[Angel_of_Death]

The draft hasn't been instated ever in Canadian history IIRC. If it has, it wasn't in WWI or later. It probably would have been if it wasn't for the french Canadians though. They were never willing to fight. in WWI, WWII or any other war. The amount of french compared to Canadians(notice how I didn't say french canadians or french to english?)is laughable. Allow me to pull a Nav and call them pussies.
That being said, I'd go
Yes, conscription has been instated in Canada. 1918, WWI. And the French didn't want to go because they saw nothing to gain from fighting in the war, which was kind of true, as this war was none of our business. The only reason Canada joined is because back then we were Britains colonial bitch.

[Triggar]

There are enough people enlisted and in reserves that unless we plan a massive attack of Europe and Asia, why would they need to draft unskilled, unwilling people?

I appreciate countries like Italy that make their men do a mandatory year of service at the age of 18. But in the USA, we've got enough enthusiastic men and women in our armed services that we don't need Joe PotSmoker on the front lines, bitching the whole time.

[Navaron]

Indeed trigger.

[Seer]

I'd go. I wouldn't bitch all the time, though. I'd bitch only between the hours of 6pm and 7pm. I mean... 1800 and 1900.

[Triggar]

I'd go. I wouldn't bitch all the time, though. I'd bitch only between the hours of 6pm and 7pm. I mean... 1800 and 1900.

L or UTC?

[Sputty]

Yes, conscription has been instated in Canada. 1918, WWI. And the French didn't want to go because they saw nothing to gain from fighting in the war, which was kind of true, as this war was none of our business. The only reason Canada joined is because back then we were Britains colonial bitch.
We had reasons to go. First, we were still part of Britain, second, it was a reason to go and stop unwarranted aggression against our ALLIES.
Second, the conscription act was instated, uninstated, instated with exemptions for the french and instated before it would have made a difference.
The french basically stayed out of the draft and caused it to be cancelled, sending all who didn't want to join home, and then bringing them back but before it amde a difference
Doesn't really count as full conscription other than it being on paper IMO.

[Seer]

Local.

[ghost018]

My brother is a Marine. He's serving his second deployment in Iraq now untill September. I'm debating enlisting when I turn 18, but he said I should get a degree first. Officers get badass swords and better MOS's. As for the draft, I'd have to agree with Triggar. I'd rather have somebody that has the courage to do what he was sent there for than a guy that was delivered unwilling.

ghost

[Sputty]

Dodger(from BOHICA) got his NCO saber.
Don't piss of a marine, he'll cut ya' good

[Setari]

I'd go over if it were required of me. I'm still deciding if I want to join the Army anyway. Icouldn't join the Marines, I dont have enough self-discipline. Oh well, id still have 4 years either way.

[Mango]

They don't draft people in college right?

[Vick]

I would be joe potsmoker complaining about everything, so no, I would not go.

I dont want to kill anyway, not because I would break down, but I just dont want to end someones life like that. There are probably circumstances where I would fight, but this Iraq deal is not one of them, and I cannot stand the way the US military pussyfoots around talking about killing people, to help recruits deal with it or something? I dunno, maybe one of you guys can explain why we terminate the oposition instead of killing that dude over there.

Lets all go eliminate some targets, eh?

[Setari]

They don't draft people in college right?
nope which is why lots of people in college stayed in college as long as they could when WWII broke out. just so they wouldnt have to help the war effort.

[ghost018]

Lets all go eliminate some targets, eh?

ooorah

[Squeeky]

Land mines don't need to aim.

Either do I.E.D's. (Improvised Explosive Devices).

I would go but not as a foot soldier i would fly something like a heilocopter.

I dont think Draftee's dont have much of a choice when it comes to your MOS. The majority get 11B (Infantry) and other supporting roles.

I wouldn't want to go...So I'm probably some pussy who hates America right? Hell no. I could never kill someone, I'd breakdown. Some people, commonly reffered to as "pussies" aren't meant for war. It would be much easier for me to kill myself...sorry If you dont understand...



I dont want to kill anyway, not because I would break down, but I just dont want to end someones life like that.


Like Sputty mentioned, you guys could get a support roles. Not everyone in Iraq kills people, hell, they even have a MOS for driving supply trucks. You still serve your country as much as the guy with an M-16 on the front lines.

[Setari]

Like Sputty mentioned, you guys could get a support roles. Not everyone in Iraq kills people, hell, they even have a MOS for driving supply trucks. You still serve your country as much as the guy with an M-16 on the front lines.
Reminds me of In the Army Now with Pauly Shore and Andy Dick.

[Squeeky]

Reminds me of In the Army Now with Pauly Shore and Andy Dick.

That movie fucking owned

[Sputty]

That movie fucking owned
Die

[Squeeky]

That movie was the shit, screw you man

[Setari]

teh movie was good. It was funny and entertaining. Exactly what that type of movie needs to be.

[Vis Armata]

1. Not too worried about conscription.
2. I would be in JAG.

[Squeeky]

BTW, for the record. Yes, i would go. And a big FUCK YOU to all those who wouldn't. You dont deserve the freedom you receive every day if you even think twice about answering your countrys call.

[Derfud]

SUCK ON THIS A ONE TIME!

I would go, however I would try to volunteer for JTF2 if I was drafted, those guys are badass, I probably couldn't pass the physical though.

[Jaged]

I would go as long as I didn't have to be a grunt. Flying something fixed or rotary wing. But being a grunt down on the ground would be a little much for me i think. Even driving a tank would work. I just want some serious metal encasing my vitals
vitals if bullets start flying.

[SDM]

I don't think they'd want me, but if they did...

GO NAVY!

[Derfud]

I wonder how that fits in?

*cough*Buttsechs?*cough*

Must have a cold...

Oh wait, I do!

[Everay]

id go in a heart beat, hell, im already considering joining the army or marines, mabey go to college and enliste through OCS (officer Canidate School) and became a 2nd LT, try and fly something roatery, AH-64 is my goal right now, however those fucktards would prolly stick my ass in intel.

im also considering joining the army and going through WOCS, i think thats what its called, but its the warrent officer school.

but if your unwilling to kill, fine, you dont have to kill to be in the army, just fuckin be a dentist or something.

[Hamma]

I'm probably too old to go now. (get drafted i mean)

[Cryptica]

If they instated the draft and it looked like I would get drafted, I would sign up for the Navy first. At least then I wouldn't have to be on the front lines. I'm all for serving my country, but I'm also all for surviving. Besides, my whole family is navy, and my dad would kill me if I ever went into the army, lol.

[Jennyboo]

I'm probably too old to go now. (get drafted i mean)
I think my Hamma woud be better working in the computer aspects of War :D

[Manitou]

I can tell you that the draft probably won't be initiated anytime soon. The AF is actually cutting 13,000 troops. The quality and quantity of the volunteer force is very good and probably won't need supplementing.

Oh, by the way, did I mention I retire in 6 months? ;)

[ViperGTS]

I can tell you that the draft probably won't be initiated anytime soon. The AF is actually cutting 13,000 troops. The quality and quantity of the volunteer force is very good and probably won't need supplementing.

Oh, by the way, did I mention I retire in 6 months? ;)
party:

Hmmmm...yeah I would go in a heart beat.

[Indecisive]

I would go, just not as cannon fodder.

[martyr]

They don't draft people in college right?
the new draft proposal doesn't work the same way as the old one would have.

college, being female, and canada aren't ways around it.

[JakeLogan]

I would go but not as a foot soldier i would fly something like a heilocopter.
You need a bachleors degree to be a Helicopter pilot. I should know I'm going for mine now. 2 more years and I start training.

[Kikinchikin]

For this war in Iraq? No. I don't believe in the cause. I'm all for supporting our troops that we have there now, but I would not risk my life to fight for a cause I don't believe in.

If we were in WWII right now, then yes I think I would. Of course I can't say that for sure because I'm not actually faced with it, so if it were to really happen then I don't know.

[HunterKiller]

Then leave. First, what are you talking about? France jr.? Shut up. Seriously, go. It's a couple hours drive to the US. No one wants you here. Go away. Now.

Get a support role dumby.

ha can only get a support role if they don't need him anywhere else.

[Squeeky]

I'm probably too old to go now. (get drafted i mean)

Why would they want a skinny geek like you anyways!!!!!! *runs* :love:

[Sputty]

I would fail the physical

[Squeeky]

I would fail the physical

The military use industrial cranes, you could be the counter-weight :rofl: :love:

[Biohazzard56]

Tell that to the 700+ American soldiers dead in Iraq.

I'm Canadian, and no way in hell is conscription ever getting reinstated here, so I'll keep my opinions to myself.

True. Alot of Soliders have been killed but not as many could have and we are pretty safe outside of the wild parts of Iraq I have talked to many soliders coming back and they say its secure and indeed that most Iraqis cant shoot worth shit. There are lots of problems in Iraq but the solider I have talked to say the media paints a doomsday picture on Iraq compaired to what it actually is. Alot of people are being kidnapped but thats in only one part.

[Biohazzard56]

Land mines don't need to aim.

True but alot of mines in the major areas have been swept, but you could always be just another weird statistic.

[Queensidecastle]

I am too old to get drafted but if I was forced to go it would be a disgusting waste with my computer skills to be put on the frontline. However if all those positions were totally filled and I had to be a grunt, I would try to kill as many as humanly possible. If our boys have to die over there I would want to make sure that for each one, they lose thousands

[JetRaiden]

I'd go, but only if I could be on the front lines, in special forces.

[Sputty]

I'd go, but only if I could be on the front lines, in special forces.
So many people I know(most of them are around 15) say that they're going to join Delta force, or the Rangers or the Seals. The chance of you, or most people is minimal in getting in.

[Squeeky]

I'd go, but only if I could be on the front lines, in special forces.

Not happening.

SF Soldiers are insanely elite, and train for years.

[Sputty]

And a draftee wouldn't get in

[JakeLogan]

Not happening.

SF Soldiers are insanely elite, and train for years.
Well you apply for special forces training (if you enlist not drafted) in boot I believe. if you pass the testing your in.

There are chances that a draftee can go into special forces after receiving recommendations from his C.O.


My dad's best friend was in vietnam his draft number was really low like 13 or something. so he enlisted in the marines. (saying his number must mean it's fate) He retired as a Lt. Col 2 years ago.

[Squeeky]

And a draftee wouldn't get in

Yup, i hate these retards that say "DUDE, IM GONNA JOIN THE ARMY AND BE AN SF SOLDIER". The chances of you being an SF Soldier are insanely low, pick a realistic goal.

[JetRaiden]

Not happening.

SF Soldiers are insanely elite, and train for years.

yea, I know a guy who was in Special Forces, I dont know if Ill get there, but I could go airborne, or delta force or something. I have a high endurance and thats all that matters most of the time in training.

[Queensidecastle]

I would much rather be away from battle, but if I had no choice my preference would be to go in as a sniper.

[ghost018]

In order to be a Sniper you'd have to go through Infantry first.

[Dharkbayne]

And to be a sniper you need VERY good aim and depth perception, along with other things, most of the people here, I'd say would be fit to be a chef. If that.

[BIGTROJANMAN]

i would go even if my parnets disagree cause its my life, i would rather go fight than sit around and have my fellow americans fight for me and lose there lifes. if i go i would be a helicopter pilot or sniper or tank driver.

[Queensidecastle]

I actually qualified as a sharpshooter with an M-14 in ROTC

[BIGTROJANMAN]

And to be a sniper you need VERY good aim and depth perception, along with other things, most of the people here, I'd say would be fit to be a chef. If that.

sry for double post, i have a really good aim with my remigton. only person i know that is better than me is my grandpa cause he wasn in nam and was a sniper and he tought me.

[JakeLogan]

sry for double post, i have a really good aim with my remigton. only person i know that is better than me is my grandpa cause he wasn in nam and was a sniper and he tought me.
If you can be a sniper thats great you got a very important job. But you have a higher chance of dying then a regular infantryman. a sniper is behind enemy lines with his/her (even though I haven't heard of women snipers outside of the russian WW2 female sniper aces.) spotter doing recon on enemy forces and doing serious moral damage to the enemy troops.

[TheRegurgitator]

I'd go ground forces.

[Dharkbayne]

Bigtrojanman, I hope you can shoot better than you spell.

[Infernus]

... I'm going to a Military Sciences Acadmey for College... the key word there being "Sciences" therefore I get a quasi-honorary title, a sidearm, a map, and markers... that'll be my service to the country...

[DeadTeddy]

I live in israel so for me it's not an "IF". I have feared the army until a bit over a year ago, but there is no chance in hell I'm avoiding it. I'm 17, the draft is at 18-18.5 usually. there is no way in hell I'm avoiding it. my fear was simple, I thought I can't handle it. luckily, our army is smart enough to send 11th graders to mini bootcamp for 5 days to see what it's like, and I realized that I have what it takes to make a grade A soldier.

for all those afraid, there is no reason to be, modern armies are mostly non-combatant. victories are won through good logistics. a single F-15 needs a crew of dozens. those people need facilities which require more people.

my personal goal is probably a pilot, one of the hardest and definately the most respected job in the israeli army. I have the mental abilities, no physical problems, it's down to pure will for me.

[WildEagle]

ARMY means Aint Ready to be a Marine Yet

I would serve my country in thae marines, cept I'm not into killin unless I really need to. If I inlisted I would probably in someting armored though.(grunt is suicide to me)

[BUGGER]

No.

Its not our war.


But then i dont have a choice eh? Hopefully this will be done in 4 years.


I fight for lady liberty, not Bush......man i wish Kerry was better than Bush......

[JetRaiden]

you live in israel?? :eek:

is it as crazy over there as CNN makes it look?

[Paingiver]

I would probably be a pilot for an unmanned recon drone. I know it would be pansy, but i'd kick ass at that. i couldn't be a sniper because of the extreme mental, phychological, and physical stress you go through. You have the power to end someones life in one shot, i couldn't pull the trigger. Also, isn't the Israeli air force and intelegence agency the best in the world?

[DeadTeddy]

air force? definately. intelligence? some of the best. the mossad is #1 but it's not military.

[Everay]

they dont allow female snipers, they dont even allow female front line soldiers. and you cant just be a UAV pilot, hell, the people that pilot UAVs are like captains and such.

[DeadTeddy]

yeah, those UAV's are definately a tough goal. there are 2 pilots, the takeoff and landing pilot who does just that, take off and land the plane. these guys, at least here, are chosen from a large group of R/C plane fans who have to fly an R/C plane and perform a number of tricks while talking to 2 people at the same time.
the second pilot sits in a room with all the equipment and flies it using the onboard camera(s). in israel they are chosen from those who drop out of pilot school after being in it for at least a year (the whole thing use to be 2 years and is now 3 cause you get a degree).

btw, americans bring their UAV's here for repairs. we are #1 at making those.

[Smaug]

I'm not sure how it all works, but if I knew I was going to be drafted, I would probably enlist in the air force and hopefully go to training to be a pilot. Not a fighter pilot, those guys go to school for years and are highly decorated, something which I would probably not have the dedication for. I would like to fly a C-5, or C-17.

[BIGTROJANMAN]

Bigtrojanman, I hope you can shoot better than you spell.

I know i cant spell worth shit. I think thats why I got a C in english.

[Acaila]

I would be the 1st to enlist if my country was attacked, however I would never join to be part of an invading army. I am a pussy because I don't like guns and shooting people, sorry.

[Neon Apocalypse]

i think i would be kinda scared to be on a front line
i probably wouldnt last long

so i would enlist in the USAF. I love aircraft, and I'm a good pilot in DC and in PS. So I would bomb the shit out of people instead.

[Dharkbayne]

and I'm a good pilot in DC and in PS. So I would bomb the shit out of people instead.

:bang:

[Neon Apocalypse]

That probably has nothing to do with anything the AF does but atleast im into it.

[snowwolfe]

You guys do realize that not everyone in the air force is a pilot right? That there are ALOT of other jobs in the air force.

[LimpBIT]

im goin to kill me some iraqs. But sadly im only 14. Looks like i will have to settle for killing the ones here

(jk to those who take everything seriously) i dont want the FBI on my ass

[Seer]

I don't know where I'm going to go if I get drafted, but something tells me that I'm going be the guy cleaning toilets--whenever I'm not patrolling Fallujah in the intense heat--until the day I get a leg blown off by an IED. I can also imagine a situation where I am laid low by heatstroke or a gang of brutal, america-hating 9 year olds. Or I'll be the guy who, in a firefight, blows the head off a cameraman from Al`Jazeera under the mistaken impression that he was holding a RPG.

I'd still go, and I still support the war, but it's important to be lucid about these things.

[Octavian]

I don't know where I'm going to go if I get drafted, but something tells me that I'm going be the guy cleaning toilets--whenever I'm not patrolling Fallujah in the intense heat--until the day I get a leg blown off by an IED. I can also imagine a situation where I am laid low by heatstroke or a gang of brutal, america-hating 9 year olds. Or I'll be the guy who, in a firefight, blows the head off a cameraman from Al`Jazeera under the mistaken impression that he was holding a RPG.

I'd still go, and I still support the war, but it's important to be lucid about these things.

:rofl:

[Zatrais]

Already been conscripted and done a year in the armed forces, but if called upon i'm ready to deploy.

[Electrofreak]

No. I believe that war in general is wrong. Don't get me wrong, sometimes it is a necessity, such as ending Hitler's Nazi regime from taking over the world and extending their practice of genocide and hate.

If you are going to take somone's life because you disagree with their political views or actions, you better have a damn good reason. I don't think that the war with Iraq had a good enough reason. WMD that don't exist and all of the other lame excuses that our government has come up with. Sure Saddam Hussein is a bad man. Yes he needed to be stopped. But by turning Iraq into a smouldering crater and killing thousands of innocent women and children in the process (fact: about 9,000 innocents died in Iraq, almost 3x what we lost on 9/11 to the attack by Al-Qaeda). I believe we should be focusing on rooting out terrorism, not starting wars and expending all of our resources in a conflict and reconstruction in the mid-east.

No flames please. These are my views. I respect our military, but I don't respect the morons in D.C. who are telling them to go to Iraq to kill and get killed for their made-up reasons.

[Neon Apocalypse]

I know that not everyone in the air force is a pilot. But If I had to chose I would become one.

[Everay]

its cool electro, we all get our opinions. i personaly belived at the time that there were WMD in iraq, but at the same time i also knew what a SOB that dictator was, and what he did to his own people, i support the war, this belongs in pol debate, and because saddam did such things, it was important to take em down, now you may say, what right do we have to topple a countrys leader by the way he leads his own people? well i say we have every right as americans, and as humans.

[Electrofreak]

again, yes I believe Saddam needed to go down (I've written numerous college papers on the war, and I'm aware of the thousands of Shi'ites he gassed to death etc), but I really think we could have found a better way. Perhaps if we had the help of the UN, which we didn't really bother to press for. We said, "we're gonna invade Iraq, wanna help" they said "uhm, we need to look into this more before we consider it" so we said "fuck you fine we will do it ourselves". With the UN at our back, the armies of Iraq probably would have surrendered rather than chosen to fight us. It is always better to pursue the bloodless path, and I really don't think we gave it as much of a chance.

[Everay]

no we didnt, but i felt that it was long enough myself, how long did we wait? two months? prolly longer i think. and i personaly dont like dicking around, you know there are reports that during that time saddam smuggled his WMD out of country, wether they are true are not is another matter.

though, you are right, personaly i dislike civilian cassualties, and war brings those about always. and besides, germany and france were against war the entire time, prefering weapons inspectors who wernt completely getting all the intel, hell the head inspector said there prolly was WMD in iraq, and now he says he wasnt sure, or something like that. and of course you are aware that france and germany could veto UN going to war, thus if they were against it we couldnt get their help, and we have many nations working with us, so i dont see why they arnt just as official as the UN.

[Electrofreak]

to each his own :)

[Sputty]

i think i would be kinda scared to be on a front line
i probably wouldnt last long

so i would enlist in the USAF. I love aircraft, and I'm a good pilot in DC and in PS. So I would bomb the shit out of people instead.
Yeah, since we all know the US air force is planning on making a "fly boat" air division.

[Everay]

to each his own :)


of course, its like our outfits, your a Black Hawk, im a Hostile takeover.

Yeah, since we all know the US air force is planning on making a "fly boat" air division.

:lol:

[Disconnections]

You do understand that draft isnt the same as joining right? Anyways if your gonna join anything, join the marines. If you join you get a free ski-mask and sunglasses. Its worth it.

BTW currently this new draft (if it is even passed) gender wont matter. Just becuase of that they might not pass it or at least make major changes. Seeing as how the reason why they're thinking of bring the draft back is becuase of the % of minorty's in the army that have died. Without looking at the total % of the minorty group in the army. Makes sense right? God politics just make me want to claw my eyes out.....

[Everay]

no, actualy it doesnt make sense, as a minority myself, i dont care, infact, id want more minorites to serve in the military, infact, i think it should be mandatory for all americans to serve a term, i know i am. and its a good thing gender wont matter, because women want equal rights, and let them have it.

[martyr]

i didn't just pass the draft, i got an A!

[Triggar]

i didn't just pass the draft, i got an A!

Lollercopter :borg:

[Firefly]

If they reinstated the draft I'd sit back and fuck all your girlfriends. Why? Because I've done enough time so that I am exempt from a draft or a forced reactivation recall.

Draft women, too. We need cooks and shithouse cleaners.

[Triggar]

Draft women, too. We need cooks and shithouse cleaners.

I hope to God you're kidding.

[Sputty]

I hope to God you're kidding.
Well, someone needs to clean the shithouse
Why a house would be made of feces is beyond me though...

[JakeLogan]

I hope to God you're kidding.
Well as long as they aren't front line infantry

[Triggar]

Have you people stepped outside at all in like, the past 100,000 years?

Are you aware of the fact that women are the exact same species as men? THE EXACT SAME BIOLOGICAL MAKE UP! OMG! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

Women can fight on the front line and take a bullet better than men can. It has been statistically proven that women have a higher tolerance for pain than men do. Women are patient and tactical. Women could fight along the front lines and only don't at this point in time because of the threat of POW situations and rape by enemies.

Welcome to 2004!

[Everay]

yea, but the armies live in the past where women were to be protected. i read two good articles about it, one pro one against at military.com

[JakeLogan]

Have you people stepped outside at all in like, the past 100,000 years?

Are you aware of the fact that women are the exact same species as men? THE EXACT SAME BIOLOGICAL MAKE UP! OMG! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?

Women can fight on the front line and take a bullet better than men can. It has been statistically proven that women have a higher pain threshold than men do. Women are patient and tactical. Women could fight along the front lines and only don't at this point in time because of the threat of POW situations and rape by enemies.

Welcome to 2004!
Sorry if this sounds sexist but its statistics. It has been proven that the average woman cannot carry the same amount of weight as a man. They tend to get tired out faster from the packs and there is always the "I'm a man your a woman" factor. basically the men will worry about the woman more. decreasing their combat awareness meaning tactically they won't fight as well. now if there were regiments of just women it might work but I doubt that will happen.

[Mango]

There is no way in hell there will be a draft unless WWIII breaks out. If the US government has to draft people for Iraq because they need troops then by God we must be losing a lot of troops. If somthing like that ever does happen, the government had better be smart enough to pull out rather than start another Vietnam.

[Seer]

Triggar, you seem to have fallen prey to some portion of feminist propoganda. There might have been one study where women have a higher pain threshold than men, but there are many, many more that refute (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,910337,00.html) that assertion. Perhaps all this means is that this matter is inconclusive. As far as women being more 'patient and tactical' than men, that is a fairly broad and undefined assertion as well.

While I believe that modern war is much more conductive to participation by women at every point in the chain, though not front line infantry, there is no need to make dubious claims of female superiority. Reason they can't be in front line infantry is mostly because of the men, and not them.

[Triggar]

I never said that women were more patient and tactical than men, I just said that we WERE patient and tactical. I said this to refute the idea that women are skirt-wearing, tea-sipping pansies.

I also never said that women are superior. I said that women should be considered equal, and treated equally in all situations, including combat situations. Granted there are things to consider - what JakeLogan said - but there are men with these issues as well. With proper training, there isn't any excuse why women shouldn't be along the front lines with men. If women choose to be in that position, they should get adequate briefing on the risk of rape and abuse in POW camps (outside of what male POW's would receive), but should receive the same PT as men and should be held to the same standards.

[JakeLogan]

Sorry but women will not be held to the same standards as men. Jessica Lynch proved that. She got a silver star for not taking proper care of her equipment (Her gun jammed after one shot) and getting raped and tortured. While 2 men (that I know of) proved themselves to be great soliders still fighting while they had been shot and took out several enemies then were captured and tortured got only bronze stars.



EDIT: Now don't get me wrong I'm sure rape is a horrible ordeal to go through. But crashing your Vehicle and breaking you leg THEN having your gun jam for no apparent reason (other then poor care) does not mean you deserve a silver star.

[Triggar]

Well that's bullshit.

I think we need to cut the shit about "women being different" - and that includes women who think they should be treated differently. Jessica Lynch didn't deserve a silver star, and they shouldn't have given it to her. There has to be less focus on gender and more attention to basic performance. Who cares if it's a penis or a vagina behind the trigger??

[Setari]

Well that's bullshit.

I think we need to cut the shit about "women being different" - and that includes women who think they should be treated differently. Jessica Lynch didn't deserve a silver star, and they shouldn't have given it to her. There has to be less focus on gender and more attention to basic performance. Who cares if it's a penis or a vagina behind the trigger??
It shouldnt matter whats behind the trigger. Just how well that penis or vagina shoots.

[martyr]

funny you'd put it that way - women are almost always better shots.

(reference: time spent on precision target rifle team.)

[JakeLogan]

funny you'd put it that way - women are almost always better shots.

(reference: time spent on precision target rifle team.)
Just because you are good on the range doesn't mean your as good a shot when the bullets are flying back.

[Mango]

Just because you are good on the range doesn't mean your as good a shot when the bullets are flying back.
Or that you are willing to kill.

[Triggar]

Do you think that there aren't men who shit their pants when bullets fly towards them?

Do you think that there aren't any women who wouldn't throw down in a combat situation?

Haven't you ever seen Full Metal Jacket? Remember the sniper? IT WAS A WOMAN.

[Mango]

Do you think that there aren't men who shit their pants when bullets fly towards them?

Do you think that there aren't any women who wouldn't throw down in a combat situation?

Haven't you ever seen Full Metal Jacket? Remember the sniper? IT WAS A WOMAN.

There are some people ( Men and Women) that don't have the enough will or skill to fight

[JakeLogan]

Do you think that there aren't men who shit their pants when bullets fly towards them?

Do you think that there aren't any women who wouldn't throw down in a combat situation?

Haven't you ever seen Full Metal Jacket? Remember the sniper? IT WAS A WOMAN.
I didn't intend it to sound like only women would lose it when they face combat situations. Hell maybe I would maybe I wouldn't no one ever knows till they face it.

[Mango]

This should be moved to political debate

[Triggar]

I was just trying to make the point that it isn't a gender issue. And shouldn't be.

[Everay]

but it is, thats the thing, and you and a army of supporters wont get the brass to change their minds till they do, i personaly, think it should be tried out like the black aviators and buffalo soldiers were, they started off as experiments and both groups proved to be some of the best combat soldiers or aviators ever.

[Disconnections]

One flaw in that plan Everay:

The army no longer makes divisions based on gender or race. An all female division cannot prove themselfs for equal rights because they never will create a division like that. How many all black army divisions are out there in service again?

[Red October]

Too old.

If I wasn't, I come from a long line of reletives and religion with a 10 mile long file at least flooded with our people's military prison records. And for those who tell us to leave...many have actually told the judge that they are willing to accept permanent exile and loss of citizenship from the United States. So far its been pretty unanimous by the judge's.....prison.

[Everay]

Too old.

If I wasn't, I come from a long line of reletives and religion with a 10 mile long file at least flooded with our people's military prison records. And for those who tell us to leave...many have actually told the judge that they are willing to accept permanent exile and loss of citizenship from the United States. So far its been pretty unanimous by the judge's.....prison.


no offence, but what the hell are you talking about?

One flaw in that plan Everay:

The army no longer makes divisions based on gender or race. An all female division cannot prove themselfs for equal rights because they never will create a division like that. How many all black army divisions are out there in service again?

true that, true that. but a company would be fine.

[Triggar]

So would integrating women into the basic structure of the armed forces.

[Disconnections]

Indeed, so whould beating the crap out of the badgers cause one bit me after I poked it with a spoon.

[Dharkbayne]

Indeed, so whould beating the crap out of the badgers cause one bit me after I poked it with a spoon.

Wtf. :doh:

[Triggar]

Wtf.

My thoughts exactly.