View Full Version : [Military Video] F-15 Squadron Dogfights, Real Cockpit Video!
Squeeky
2004-05-01, 08:47 AM
http://download.go-legion.com/movies/air%20force/F-15C/123%20FS%20Archer%20Video.mpg
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
Best military video i've ever seen. That is just fucking amazing.
Peacemaker
2004-05-01, 09:08 AM
Squeeky wins. BEST VIDEO EVER.
Squeeky
2004-05-01, 09:14 AM
:)
I told ya, is that the coolest shit ever?. Best way to describe it is Topgun IRL.
Peacemaker
2004-05-01, 09:28 AM
[09:22] <Squeeky> Peace, what type of planes were they fighting?
[09:22] <Squeeky> Migs?
They are F4 Phantom Drones, the Airforce has so many of these damn things left over its insane. They just blow them up for fun now :)
snowwolfe
2004-05-01, 09:47 AM
hfs. That kicks ass. I plan on going into the air force, even before I watched that, but it just motivates me even more. Although i wont be a fighter pilot.
That was the epitome of badassness
EineBeBoP
2004-05-01, 10:51 AM
Was alright.
A few years ago, I'd have been "OMG, HFS!" but it really dosent impresse me the way that might've a while back.
shootx
2004-05-01, 10:55 AM
0_0 wow heh now all they need to do is make it so ppl can control drones like that from a pc and make it a game like bf 1942 to do wars and then it would be cool....no deaths to
Jennyboo
2004-05-01, 11:02 AM
Cant load the damn thing .. i hate dial up ..I'll look at it next week at Hamma's house :D
Dharkbayne
2004-05-01, 11:11 AM
I think the link's broke'd
Rbstr
2004-05-01, 12:38 PM
thats is sweet like none other
I think the link's broke'd
It works, just takes foreva.
Lexington_Steele
2004-05-01, 02:40 PM
Badass. Nice find Squeeky. :D
I hope to be a fighter pilot in my next life.
JakeLogan
2004-05-01, 03:09 PM
I hope to be a fighter pilot in my next life.
Well Unfortunately this next generation (F-22 and other new fighters) of aircraft is most likely the last that will be man piloted.
DeadTeddy
2004-05-01, 05:04 PM
Well Unfortunately this next generation (F-22 and other new fighters) of aircraft is most likely the last that will be man piloted.
bullshit. people have been saying for decades that "fighter pilots will need no shooting skills in 10 years, missilies will aim alone" and blah blah blah. computers are nice and all, but a pilot controlling a computer is superior.
Edit: finished downloading it. very cool.
I got to see the real thing a couple of months ago. an F-15 squadron here in israel was having a goodbye party for a pilot and 3 backseat pilots, all around 50 yrs old. my dad was in flight school with one of them and so he got an invitation. they flew over our heads a couple of times and then landed on a landing strip about 100 meters away. we where near the hanger. they then taxied to the concrete near the hanger and parked, got out and said hi to all their friends. before all the speaches began we had about 15 minutes to look around the planes. nobody cared if I touched them, as long as it's nothing important or sensitive, and they let people climb the ladder and look in the cockpit. my dad climbed with me and told me what most of the systems do.
it's a moment I'll never forget.
I also got to see a pilot school graduation ceremony that included F-16's throwing water bombs about 300 meters in front of us, attack helicopters blowing shit up, black hawks dropping and then collecting troops, vulcan AA guns blowing more shit up, a hercules short distance takeoff with rockets (owns) and an F-15 flying towards the crowd so low it made more noise then all other things combined, then pull up right when it's over us and fly back where it came from. we also saw F-15 take offs and landings.
at this point there is no way in hell I won't to do everything I can to be a pilot.
JakeLogan
2004-05-01, 05:35 PM
bullshit. people have been saying for decades that "fighter pilots will need no shooting skills in 10 years, missilies will aim alone" and blah blah blah. computers are nice and all, but a pilot controlling a computer is superior.
I completely agree with that a human in the pilot seat will always be better then a computer nerd at a computer 1000 miles away (no offense to UAV pilots). But after this generation most likely no more in the cockpit pilots. But that probably not for another 20-40 years (look how long they have been flying the F-14 Tomcat)
Sputty
2004-05-01, 05:42 PM
Look at vietnam. Look what happens when people are forgotten. The F-4 got raped in dogfights because it had no guns, because military planners thought the same thing.
Hamma
2004-05-01, 05:45 PM
I tried to download but it stopped.
Setari
2004-05-01, 05:46 PM
dling it now.
DeadTeddy
2004-05-01, 05:57 PM
and the best part is those same migs that showed superiority in vietnam got raped in israel by the F-4E and even older planes. not because of the plane, but because the pilot is the important factor.
pilot school in israel is much harder and much better.about 5% of those who actually get to enter pilot school get through it.
Infernus
2004-05-01, 06:12 PM
and the best part is those same migs that showed superiority in vietnam got raped in israel by the F-4E and even older planes. not because of the plane, but because the pilot is the important factor.
pilot school in israel is much harder and much better.about 5% of those who actually get to enter pilot school get through it.
Do you do nothing but brag?
Sputty
2004-05-01, 06:18 PM
and the best part is those same migs that showed superiority in vietnam got raped in israel by the F-4E and even older planes. not because of the plane, but because the pilot is the important factor.
pilot school in israel is much harder and much better.about 5% of those who actually get to enter pilot school get through it.
Mmmhmmm, just like after the top gun dogfighting school was started.
Dizik
2004-05-01, 06:57 PM
Muy badass.
Hehe....I see cool shit like that everyday. I'm stationed at Langley AFB at Virginia and they fly all the damn time. What's even cooler is that we're getting the new F-22 Raptors in November. I can't fucking wait to see them doing practice sorties.
Dharkbayne
2004-05-01, 07:30 PM
pilot school in israel is much harder and much better.about 5% of those who actually get to enter pilot school get through it.
http://gphan.com/pics/albums/omghi2u/leetkick_001.jpg
Who the fuck cares?
Sputty
2004-05-01, 07:46 PM
http://gphan.com/pics/albums/omghi2u/leetkick_001.jpg
Who the fuck cares?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Infernus
2004-05-01, 07:48 PM
Heh Isreal was just a pawn in the Cold War... now their a headache...
Electrofreak
2004-05-01, 08:12 PM
Thats a pretty fucking crazy video. Personally, I like the A-10 Thunderbolt (aka Warthog) best though. Its big, armored and slow, but that thing busts up tanks and shit on the ground like none other.
Sputty
2004-05-01, 08:21 PM
Heh Isreal was just a pawn in the Cold War... now their a headache...
http://www.bohicagaming.com/images/owned/retardwheelchair.jpg
You're a tool of your parents I assume
Neon Apocalypse
2004-05-01, 11:12 PM
slow link
edit: that was pretty cool, although i was disappointed that there wasnt a camera in the front seat.
HawkEye
2004-05-01, 11:52 PM
dam that was tight. and every other word from dead teddy is about how israil is way better than everyone else. its always israel this, israel that, well STFU about israel.
DeadTeddy
2004-05-02, 07:14 AM
I'm crazy about planes, I live in israel, someone posts an F-15 link, someone else brings up the puter vs pilot argument, can't help it. sorry.
other stuff is in political debate forum.
AztecWarrior
2004-05-02, 11:51 AM
That's fucking it, I don't care what my mom says, I'm joining the USAF.
AztecWarrior
2004-05-02, 11:53 AM
http://gphan.com/pics/albums/omghi2u/leetkick_001.jpg
Who the fuck cares?
If you would have learned some history you'd realize that Israel has the best military in the world, despite being tiny. When it attacked Egypt, Egypt's air force was pwned in a matter of minutes.
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 12:33 PM
Best military? Fuck no. We got the best military. Best Air Force? Probably.
JakeLogan
2004-05-02, 12:42 PM
and the best part is those same migs that showed superiority in vietnam got raped in israel by the F-4E and even older planes. not because of the plane, but because the pilot is the important factor.
pilot school in israel is much harder and much better.about 5% of those who actually get to enter pilot school get through it.
yes, yes, yes, we all know your god's chosen people :rolleyes:
Sputty
2004-05-02, 12:48 PM
yes, yes, yes, we all know your god's chosen people :rolleyes:
Anti-semitism meter off the scale
JakeLogan
2004-05-02, 12:53 PM
Anti-semitism meter off the scale
No not really I hate everybody equally.
EarlyDawn
2004-05-02, 12:58 PM
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, you millitary buffs out there, but I think the United States has the best armed services in the world in terms of size and funding.
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 12:59 PM
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, you millitary buffs out there, but I think the United States has the best armed services in the world in terms of size and funding.
You are correct. And by far. In terms of Air Force only. I dunno, it's a tough one. The Israeli Air Force is insanely skilled.
JakeLogan
2004-05-02, 01:00 PM
You are correct. And by far. In terms of Air Force only. I dunno, it's a tough one. The Israeli Air Force is insanely skilled.
*cough* american funding *cough* *cough* economic trading with america *cough*
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:01 PM
*cough* american funding *cough*
*cough*no*cough*
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:02 PM
*cough* american funding *cough*
:lol: yup. If it turns out the Israeli Air Force > US. It's only because we send them insane amounts of funds. They were the first to receive the F-15, F-18 and other modern aircraft that were developed domestically.
*cough*no*cough*
Yes you dipshit. We send the Israeli's so much money and intelligence it's fucking ridiculous.
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:09 PM
U.S Financial Aid To Israel:
Figures, Facts, and Impact
Summary
Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid
Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)
Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000
Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200
Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000
Grand Total
$84,854,827,200
Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.
Aid to Israel
Grand Total
$84,854,827,200
Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000
Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200
Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240
http://www.adc.org/IB85066.pdf
As seen in the article, Israel is doing nothing but attempting to lower it's aid. Israel will have to pay back all that aid with interest, and Israel buys all of it's equipment and technology, as well as being in many joint development projects, such as the SDI system
JakeLogan
2004-05-02, 01:13 PM
Ok 74 billion is still a shitload of money. on top of that if Israel didn't have access to lets see the AH-64 Apache or the AH-1 Cobra (apache predecessor) attack helicopter (american made) or the F-4E Phantom (again American made) they would be a occupied country right now. (These are not the only pieces of military equipment that israel obtained through the US )
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:15 PM
Exactly. My point is, Israel would be nothing without the aid of the United States.
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:17 PM
They bought those aircraft. The F-16 would have taken years to develop by Americans compared to hoiw long it took, if Israel wasn't given one to test, they figured out the problem and helped the US fix it.
74 billion of 55 years isn't htat much, considering how important Israel is strategically alone, and the fact that Israel has been continuously attack for 55 years.
JakeLogan
2004-05-02, 01:17 PM
Exactly. My point is, Israel would be nothing without the aid of the United States.
My point too.
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:18 PM
Then your point would be wrong. The aid may have been important, and it helps greatly, but Israel still does the vast majority of it's own funding.
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:21 PM
Well, they are nothing without the aircraft they have. And they have those aircraft because the US gave the aircraft to the Israeli's. So my point is right. The funding is a moot point in this argument.
Dharkbayne
2004-05-02, 01:24 PM
Israel is retarded, they are fighting over a strip of land the size of my fucking porch, and have been forever.
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:25 PM
Israel is retarded, they are fighting over a strip of land the size of my fucking porch, and have been forever.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:26 PM
No, all modern aircraft were bought.(F-16s and the like)
And for some reason if you think that aircraft is the only reason Israel has been able to keep protected, then that's just plain wrong. Most of the threats have been from ground attacks.
1940s
1947 UN partitions Palestine into two states - one for ****, one for Palestinians.
1948 Mideast states invade; Jewish forces prevail, declaring Israeli independence. More than 725,000 Palestinians flee or are forced out of Jewish-controlled areas.
President Truman recognizes Israel.
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1950s
1953 CIA helps Iran's military stage a coup against the democratically elected prime minister, whom the US views as a Communist threat.
1955 Egypt turns to Czechoslovakia for arms, raising US fears of a Soviet foothold in Middle East.
1956 Britain and France, seeking control of the Suez Canal, collude with Israel and attack Egypt.
1957 US announces Eisenhower doctrine, offering military and economic aid to any Middle Eastern nation threatened by communism.
1960s
1962 President Kennedy authorizes sales of Hawk anti-aircraft missiles to Israel.
1966 US sells its first jet bombers to Israel.
1967 Six-Day War. Israel launches strike against Arab neighbors, capturing Jerusalem, the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights. It is the last time Israel will fight without US-supplied weapons. UN calls for Israel to withdraw. Israel refuses.
1970s
1972 Members of Palestinian group Black September kill 11 Israeli athletes at Munich Olympics.
1973 Yom Kippur War. Egypt and Syria attack Israel over the Golan Heights and Sinai Peninsula. US airlifts $2.2 billion in emergency aid and weapons, turning tide in Israel's favor. Arab states cut US oil shipments.
1978 Egypt and Israel sign US-brokered Camp David peace treaty. Eighteen Arab states impose an economic boycott on Egypt.
1979 Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini leads Islamic revolution in Iran.
Iranian students storm US Embassy in Tehran, taking 66 Americans hostage for 15 months.
US aid to Israel reaches a peak of 34 percent of total US foreign aid.
1980s
1981 Israel bombs Iraqi nuclear reactor.
Egypt President Anwar Sadat is assassinated by Muslim militants opposed to peace.
1982 Israel invades Lebanon to expel the Palestine Liberation Organization and try to influence Lebanese election.
It creates a buffer zone along its border. More than 600 Lebanese are massacred by Christian militants allowed into refugee camps by Defense Minister Ariel Sharon.
US and other nations send peacekeepers to Lebanon.
1983 A truck bomb explodes in US Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241 soldiers. US forces withdraw.
1987 Start of the Palestinian intifada in the West Bank.
1990s
1990 Iraq invades Kuwait; links pullout to Israeli withdrawal from occupied areas.
1991 Gulf War. US and coalition lead three-month operation from Saudi Arabia that liberates Kuwait. US troops still stationed in that country.
1993 Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat sign peace declaration.
1994 Jordan and Israel sign peace treaty.
1995 Rabin is assassinated by an Israeli gunman opposed to peace.
2000s
2000 US-brokered negotiations at Camp David between Israel and Palestinians fail.
Prime Minister Sharon visits the Al Aqsa Mosque, a site sacred to both religions, with an armed entourage. This sparks the Palestinian uprising that continues today.
2001 A plan designed by US Sen. George Mitchell, outlining the current framework for Mideast peace, is released.
Members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine assassinate Israeli Tourism Minister Rehavam Zeevi. In retaliation, Israel sends tanks deep into Palestinian towns.
SOURCES: 'The Middle East' (Congressional Quarterly), Federation of American Scientists, Washington Report on Middle East Affairs.
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:28 PM
Sputty, let's stick to the subject. I know they bought the aircraft. But that is only compensation for the losses the US took. The actual acquisition of those aircraft is priceless to the Israeli Air Force. Sure, most threats have come from the ground. But we are talking about the Air Force, not the Israeli army as a whole.
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:31 PM
Sure, Canada needed aircraft too, so when it bought F-18s from the US it was a "priceless aquisition" as well. Sure, Canada payed for those aircraft, and helped fix many of the problems with it, it was still important
The same situation happened in Israel. Saying for some reason the US "saved Israel" because of those sales is just wrong. If the US hadn't sold them the aircraft some other country or company would have.
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:34 PM
First of all, i never said the US "saved Israel". I simply stated the air force would be nowhere near as strong as it is now without the aid of the US.
Second of all, it would be impossible for "some other country" to sell the aircraft to the Israeli's because at the time, only the united states had the aircraft. Israel was the first to receive the F-15/F-16/F-18 if memory serves me correct.
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:36 PM
There is more than american made aircraft out there. It wouldn't have been hard to buy it from other countries, such as Britain or France for example.
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:39 PM
But the Israeli Airforce would get spanked if they used british or french :rofl: aircraft. You could put the best pilot in the seat of a mirage, and pit him against one of our aircraft that are used in that specific role. The mirage would get smoked like a pole at a brothel.
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:44 PM
But the Israeli Airforce would get spanked if they used british or french :rofl: aircraft. You could put the best pilot in the seat of a mirage, and pit him against one of our aircraft that are used in that specific role. The mirage would get smoked like a pole at a brothel.
Wha?....
Nope
That's just plain wrong. Hell, F4s have been able to be effectively used by Israel against far more modern migs and come out victorious. Fighter combat depends far more on the pilot than the technology. The Typhoon and Mirage are both decent fighters, and are only being replaced now(just as F-15s and F-16s are)
JakeLogan
2004-05-02, 01:45 PM
Wha?....
Nope
That's just plain wrong. Hell, F4s have been able to be effectively used by Israel against far more modern migs and come out victorious. Fighter combat depends far more on the pilot than the technology. The Typhoon and Mirage are both decent fighters, and are only being replaced now(just as F-15s and F-16s are)
Yet again this fall back to my post that started this debate. Israel this Israel that.
Yes, Yes, Yes, we all know your god's chosen people. get over yourselves.
EDIT: no this is not anti-semitism It's simply I don't like Israel.
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:45 PM
Mmk, well we've boiled it down to a matter of opinion. There are so many variables that can affect the outcome of a dogfight, that it'd be stupid to argue about this anymore. Good debate though :)
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:47 PM
Yet again this fall back to my post that started this debate. Israel this Israel that.
Yes, Yes, Yes, we all know your god's chosen people. get over yourselves.
I'm not Israeli, idiot
And stop with the anti-semitism
You say it's not anti semitism and you just don't like Israel, but you're not insulting and attacking just Israel there, but all **** and the centre of their religious beliefs. That's anti semitism, plain and simple
Squeeky
2004-05-02, 01:49 PM
Hey Jake, shut up. You've done nothing but spam the thread with anti-semetic remarks. Either participate in the argument by providing factual information and unique insight or GTFO!
Sputty
2004-05-02, 01:49 PM
Unique insight: Kittens rock
:thumbsup:
Dharkbayne
2004-05-02, 01:51 PM
OMFG TEH JEOOWS KILD JESUS, THAY R SUC, OMFG OMFG OMGOMGOMG!
You are stupid.
JakeLogan
2004-05-02, 01:56 PM
Hey Jake, shut up. You've done nothing but spam the thread with anti-semetic remarks. Either participate in the argument by providing factual information and unique insight or GTFO!
Sorry if it sounds that way but all I've heard from people is israeli pilots are better israeli special forces are better. so on so forth. I think israel wouldn't be anywhere with out U.S. support. and yet America catches nothing but shit from every middle eastern country. including Israel.
I am not Anti-semitist Hell I'm not even religious. (i'm not even sure on how to spell Religion) I simply believe this whole Israeli vs. Palestinian shit is stupid. If religion was not a HUGE factor in the middle east I'm sure Israel wouldn't have a war on all fronts and bombings going on everyday. anyway I'm rambling now so I'll shut up
EarlyDawn
2004-05-02, 02:31 PM
I'll shut upNow you're getting it :thumbsup:
DeadTeddy
2004-05-02, 05:25 PM
there is no doubt the US would kick anyone's ass in a war. the US has economic power, and can always bring 10 times as many ships, tanks and planes as the enemy. can't beat that.
I'm not saying we are a superior race and that's why we have better pilots. in fact I'm willing to bet if the average israeli went to flight school in the US he would be very far from the top. I'm basing this on the absolutely horrible drivers we have. our airforce is so good simply because becoming a pilot here is the hardest thing a person can do in the military. just to get in to the flight school you need to pass physicals, mental tests, coordination tests and some other stuff that is classified so I can't say (stupid laws, everyone who cares knows it anyway). those who pass start a 3 year course during which 19 of 20 will drop out or get kicked out.
that kind of training in other countries would probably make pilots with equal if not better skill. the problem is you won't have enough pilots. Israel has a rather small airforce, so it's not a problem, especially since anyone who passes the course has to stay in service another 9 years, and then he's reserve. considering the fact you get a master's degree during those 12 years, it's not too bad.
as for military, too big to tell. depends what units from each army you're comparing.
btw, all americans, thx ;)
scarpas
2004-05-03, 12:40 AM
bullshit. people have been saying for decades that "fighter pilots will need no shooting skills in 10 years, missilies will aim alone" and blah blah blah. computers are nice and all, but a pilot controlling a computer is superior.
meh, computers dont have a sence of fear, imo and are safer than humans...
unique insight: kittens rock :thumbsup:
:love:
there is no doubt the US would kick anyone's ass in a war. the US has economic power, and can always bring 10 times as many ships, tanks and planes as the enemy. can't beat that.
agreed
I am not Anti-semitist
:rolleyes:
Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, you millitary buffs out there, but I think the United States has the best armed services in the world in terms of size and funding.
http://forumspam.articblue.nl/user_related/obvious/images/0587.jpg
there all done.
SquirrelMan
2004-05-03, 01:20 AM
http://www.bohicagaming.com/images/owned/retardwheelchair.jpg
that is the best picture evar.
And, that video pwns.
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