Weapon of Choice

[oddfish]

If you were in some kind of John Woo action flick, or were, somehow living life like one of those crazy, gun-toting, kung fu bastards, what gun/guns would you carry? Try to remain in the realm of the genre.


http://www.springfield-armory.com/images/pistols/a1/PX9129L.jpg

two of these would do me nicely. ;)

[OfaLoaf]

Spud gun.

Classroom weapons like spitballs, slingshots, and 'wasps'.

[oddfish]

Spud gun.

Classroom weapons like spitballs, slingshots, and 'wasps'.

:lol: um.. the spudgun would be, without a doubt, affective. but, i'm not too sure about the weapons you named afterwards.

[dscytherulez]

Walther P-99 or a .50 DE.

[Mango]

http://city.hokkai.or.jp/~otomihsi/novel/gun/beretta.jpg + http://imperfectly.imperfectpeople.com/images/dreams/katana.jpg

[Rbstr]

Hmm i would take a Desert Eagle .50, a M4 Carbine /w M203, and a Panserfaust three.

Or a 3 megajoule Guass Pistol

[EarlyDawn]

http://city.hokkai.or.jp/~otomihsi/novel/gun/beretta.jpg + http://imperfectly.imperfectpeople.com/images/dreams/katana.jpgIndeed.

Fiber wire too, for those quiet kills. And some kind of long range rifle, probably PSG-1.

[dscytherulez]

Well, since everyone is including pics...

http://www.p0stwh0restores.com/uploads//dscytherulez/walther-p99titcoated.jpg

http://www.p0stwh0restores.com/uploads/dscytherulez/deserteagle003.jpg

[EarlyDawn]

Technically, I guess this depends if you're talking "handgun shootout John Woo", or more of a "get as many heavy weapons as you can and go nuts" movie.

[OfaLoaf]

Oh, pics, too?
http://www.funkyzilla.com/acatalog/Spud-gun-2-hr.jpg
http://www.blowgunsnw.com/slingshots/pm508.jpg

[OneManArmy]

[QUOTE=Mango]http://city.hokkai.or.jp/~otomihsi/novel/gun/beretta.jpg

I'm sorry but mango had it right. You dont carry anything but Dual 9mm berettas (two tone of course) why you might ask? because Chow yun fat is the god damn motherfucking man!

[oddfish]

by "Spud Gun" i thought you meant the kind of gun that shoots entire fucking potatoes..

[1024]

[QUOTE=Mango]http://city.hokkai.or.jp/~otomihsi/novel/gun/beretta.jpg

I'm sorry but mango had it right. You dont carry anything but Dual 9mm berettas (two tone of course) why you might ask? because Chow yun fat is the god damn motherfucking man!

[OfaLoaf]

by "Spud Gun" i thought you meant the kind of gun that shoots entire fucking potatoes..
nah, too big to carry around. Nobody else is using a bazooka.

[dscytherulez]

Technically, I guess this depends if you're talking "handgun shootout John Woo", or more of a "get as many heavy weapons as you can and go nuts" movie.

Yeah, I thought it was just handguns. In addition if it's not, I would like to add a Barret M99 to my list.

Edit:

http://www.p0stwh0restores.com/uploads//dscytherulez/barrettm99002.jpeg

[Lartnev]

Gatling gun :D

However for coolness I'd go for dual barrettas or kung fu :brow:

[dscytherulez]

What's with you people and berettas? They are so...GENERIC. Semi-durable and accurate, yes. But there are much better handguns out there...

/rant

[oddfish]

i just love Colt 1911 .45's.. very comfortable gun to carry, and even more-so to fire. the one i originally posted has an extended slide. :love:

[dscytherulez]

They are comfortable to hold and such, as for the firing part...? I found the kickback much worse than your standard 9mm (baretta, lol). I guess I shouldn't talk, after shooting a .50 DE, your wrist falls off. Lol.

[Lexington_Steele]

Well, since everyone is including pics...

http://www.p0stwh0restores.com/uploads//dscytherulez/walther-p99titcoated.jpg

I own one of those, except mine is all black. :D

[Lexington_Steele]

My weapon of Choice is:

Christopher Walken dancing to a Fatboy Slim Track.

[OneManArmy]

honestly I'm surprised it took to page 2 for someone to bring that up.. way to ruin hte gun thread foo

[Lexington_Steele]

What's with you people and barettas? They are so...GENERIC. Semi-durable and accurate, yes. But there are much better handguns out there...

/rant
I was under the impression that Barettas were known for being unreliable.

[oddfish]

from what i hear they are very reliable. The Italians build 'em. They're pretty good at building guns and cars. Check out the Pirazzi site. Some beautiful guns there.

[Setari]

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sig-p226.jpg
i like the look of Sig pistols. Just, this in at least black or nickel plated.
also this, the p226, passed almost equal with the beretta in the XM9 pistol trials to find the successor of the Colt 1911. And the p226 has been adopted as the official sidearm of the SEALs. comes in 9mm, .357, and .40SW

[dscytherulez]

Berettas are pretty reliable. More than most, but no comparison to a P-99. On a scale of 5, I'd give them a 4 (for reliability). All in all, they really are pretty good guns, I just think they are so generic. Whenever non gun-fanatics think/hear "handgun", they get a picture of a baretta in their mind. It's just what has been projected through movies. I don't like their overuse.

[oddfish]

Barettas are pretty reliable. More than most, but no comparison to a P-99. On a scale of 5, I'd give them a 4 (for reliability). All in all, they really are pretty good guns, I just think they are so generic. Whenever non gun-fanatics think/hear "handgun", they get a picture of a baretta in their mind. It's just what has been projected through movies. I don't like their overuse.


.45's more reliable. i don't know why they don't use it more in movies. :(

[JetRaiden]

either the M14

http://www.raven-shield.com/weapons/weapimgs/m14.gif

AUG 5.56mm

http://www.raven-shield.com/weapons/weapimgs/aug.gif

or the L85A1 Assault Rifle

http://www.raven-shield.com/weapons/weapimgs/l85a1.gif

[Mr1337Duck]

No, when a non-gun-knowledgable person hears different words they bring different images to mind:

Pistol:
A pistol, no specific type, there isn't a whole lot of major shape difference. Major difference would be like an AK compared to an M16.

Assault Weapon:
If they're dumbfucks, they think of bazookas. Otherwise, they think of a rifle, no particular type, just a mixture of all the guns they've seen, unless one was imprinted on their mind well.

Sniper rifle:
See above, but with a scope on it.

Submachine gun:
An MP5 with laser sights on it, like morpheus has in Matrix Revolutions. That or an Uzi.

[Setari]

either the M14

http://www.raven-shield.com/weapons/weapimgs/m14.gif

AUG 5.56mm

http://www.raven-shield.com/weapons/weapimgs/aug.gif

or the L85A1 Assault Rifle

http://www.raven-shield.com/weapons/weapimgs/l85a1.gif
i think both the L85A1 and A2 have each had their fair shair of annoyances but are both very accurate in terms of mass-produced assault rifles.

btw are those gun models from RvS?

[JetRaiden]

yea. :p Ive been playing it alot lately and thats teh only site I could think of with weapons like that.

[snowwolfe]

p226

[Neon Apocalypse]

oicw hands down
http://it.geocities.com/squadraghost/armi/oicwright.jpg

[JetRaiden]

oicw hands down
http://it.geocities.com/squadraghost/armi/oicwright.jpg

dude OICW wieghs like 70 lbs you know that right?

[JakeLogan]

oicw hands down
http://it.geocities.com/squadraghost/armi/oicwright.jpg
son of a..... you beat me to it

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg57-e.htm

well I'd have to say the Calico M960 submachine gun (USA) with the pistol style with the 50 round clip
http://world.guns.ru/smg/calico950.jpg

dude OICW wieghs like 70 lbs you know that right?
Weight: ca 5.5 kg empty; ca 6.8 kg loaded
UI don't think that translate into 70lbs

[Mango]

Rifle-wise i'm gonna have to go with this Morita
http://www.trooperpx.com/Armor/imgarmor/Morita/MoritaBabe2.jpg

I'll take the chick too :p

[dscytherulez]

OICW's weigh about 14 lbs with all necessary and some optional attachments.

Edit: 12 unloaded with no extras.

[Firefly]

Having lived a fairly adventurous and active military career, I can safely say I can, could, and/or have used most of the standard arms you might see. I am also amazed at the Hollywood-brainwashed stupidity of some people here. The Calico is a piece of shit. Its sales sucked balls for a reason. Because the weapon sucked balls. Why do you think they went out of business? It might be pretty and spacey... but it fires like a two year old girl.
dude OICW wieghs like 70 lbs you know that right?
Uh... negative. Its earlier variant the LAND WARRIOR system altogether weighed around a hundred pounds, I believe. The OICW is a scaled-down more-effective version made by like seventeen different companies (they each have a piece to make). Try doing your homework before you go farting off at the mouth.

I believe in stopping power versus fancy artsy-fartsy garbage. Berettas are "handy" because they are cheap, dime-a-dozen, and fire a standard-size munition. Every dime-store hood and cheap ghetto "gangsta" has one... that's part of the problem. if they all have them and there are so many shootings, why do so many of them still exist? I'll tell you why. The 9mm round itself is a piece of shit. Why do you think TR sucks? You can hit a guy with a 9mil and unless you head-shot him, chances are he's going to get up and beat the fuck out of you. And you'd deserve it.

Stopping power puts down your enemies. Lots of lead does not. You can fire a magazine of 9mil at a target and, perhaps if G'd was smiling on you and wanted you to go home and see your little girl, you'd walk away. Big-bore pistols. Don't give me that Desert Eagle shit... that's overkill. If you can stand without your arms shaking after that, if you can fucking HEAR after firing the seven-round magazine, you don't need a gun. It's a heavy-hitting weapon, made mainly for sporting and target shooting... because unless you're shooting engine blocks on semi rigs, it's fucking impractical and utterly useless. Forty-five is a decent size heavy-hitter. So I go with a modern .45 (older ones might be "refurbished" aka retreads). Wilson Combat makes a bad-ass .45 that you simply cannot beat. As far as two-handed firing... that's for Perfect Dark and Goldeneye. Unless you're ambidextrous and well-trained to overcome dominance, you'll basically be spraying and praying... meaning wasting rounds.

If you're talking about bigger weapons, specify either shotguns or rifles. I myself prefer Remington or Ithaca shotguns, but that's simply because they're reliable and make a bad-ass bang... in addition to a decent hole in your chest. For rifles, I go with something that fires at least 7.62... since I believe in the laws of lead, we're talking AK variants. If possible I'll take a machinegun. My first duty station, I carried the M249 SAW until we went to Bosnia, then I was carrying an M60. We eventually upgraded to M240 (also known as Mag-something...) and because I was the biggest boy on the team, I got it.

Firepower is ultimate. Accuracy is secondary... you can hit them all day. But if you can't put them down, you're a target. Firepower does not necessarily mean rate of fire... but it does mean bigger bore.

[ControlledBurn]

My H&K USP .45f with plenty of FMJ and JHP on hand, all loaded in pre-ban mags of course. For portability an M16 with an M203 would be preferable. A 240G if I really wanted some heavy 7.62 NATO fire. God how I love the sound of a 240G.

If I had to be loaded for bear, a SMAW with ammo and some Stingers would be nice. Ooooh, or maybe a Mk19 40mm automatic grenade launcher and a Ma Deuce, the M2 .50 cal.


Edit: Evidently great minds do think alike after reading Firefly's post after I finished my post.

[oddfish]

Having lived a fairly adventurous and active military career, I can safely say I can, could, and/or have used most of the standard arms you might see. I am also amazed at the Hollywood-brainwashed stupidity of some people here. The Calico is a piece of shit. Its sales sucked balls for a reason. Because the weapon sucked balls. Why do you think they went out of business? It might be pretty and spacey... but it fires like a two year old girl.

Uh... negative. Its earlier variant the LAND WARRIOR system altogether weighed around a hundred pounds, I believe. The OICW is a scaled-down more-effective version made by like seventeen different companies (they each have a piece to make). Try doing your homework before you go farting off at the mouth.

I believe in stopping power versus fancy artsy-fartsy garbage. Berettas are "handy" because they are cheap, dime-a-dozen, and fire a standard-size munition. Every dime-store hood and cheap ghetto "gangsta" has one... that's part of the problem. if they all have them and there are so many shootings, why do so many of them still exist? I'll tell you why. The 9mm round itself is a piece of shit. Why do you think TR sucks? You can hit a guy with a 9mil and unless you head-shot him, chances are he's going to get up and beat the fuck out of you. And you'd deserve it.

Stopping power puts down your enemies. Lots of lead does not. You can fire a magazine of 9mil at a target and, perhaps if G'd was smiling on you and wanted you to go home and see your little girl, you'd walk away. Big-bore pistols. Don't give me that Desert Eagle shit... that's overkill. If you can stand without your arms shaking after that, if you can fucking HEAR after firing the seven-round magazine, you don't need a gun. It's a heavy-hitting weapon, made mainly for sporting and target shooting... because unless you're shooting engine blocks on semi rigs, it's fucking impractical and utterly useless. Forty-five is a decent size heavy-hitter. So I go with a modern .45 (older ones might be "refurbished" aka retreads). Wilson Combat makes a bad-ass .45 that you simply cannot beat. As far as two-handed firing... that's for Perfect Dark and Goldeneye. Unless you're ambidextrous and well-trained to overcome dominance, you'll basically be spraying and praying... meaning wasting rounds.

If you're talking about bigger weapons, specify either shotguns or rifles. I myself prefer Remington or Ithaca shotguns, but that's simply because they're reliable and make a bad-ass bang... in addition to a decent hole in your chest. For rifles, I go with something that fires at least 7.62... since I believe in the laws of lead, we're talking AK variants. If possible I'll take a machinegun. My first duty station, I carried the M249 SAW until we went to Bosnia, then I was carrying an M60. We eventually upgraded to M240 (also known as Mag-something...) and because I was the biggest boy on the team, I got it.

Firepower is ultimate. Accuracy is secondary... you can hit them all day. But if you can't put them down, you're a target. Firepower does not necessarily mean rate of fire... but it does mean bigger bore.

i've been saying this shit forever. .45's the way to go when it comes to a handgun in close quarters, the only place a handgun should be used anyways. The .45 will knock you flat. the .40 S&W isn't a bad round either, but still doesn't have the stopping power of the .45 ACP. Oh well, bananas.

[JakeLogan]

Firefly he was asking if you were in a John woo movie where the guns never have any problems you never get shot and never EVER run out of ammo. if itwas for real I'd probably want something along the lines of a M4 carbine with older style M203 40mm grenade launcher. simply due to the stopping power of the rifle itself and the scatter ability of the 40mm grenade launcher.


EDIT: I simply said the calico because it looks like (if it worked properly) would be a bad ass gun and it wasn't killed off because it was a piece of shit there was meant to be a civlian model that was semi auto but the US Assault Weapons Ban of 1994 that truely killed it off (Which I think was actaully a good idea last thing we want is gang bangers running 50/100 rounds in a clip)

EDIT again: The M-16 was originally a piece of shit too. till it was revised I';m sure if the calico had actually seen use the bugs it had would have been fixed.

[oddfish]

Firefly he was asking if you were in a John woo movie where the guns never have any problems you never get shot and never EVER run out of ammo. if itwas for real I'd probably want something along the lines of a M4 carbine with older style M203 40mm grenade launcher. simply due to the stopping power of the rifle itself and the scatter ability of the 40mm grenade launcher


yeah, initially i was going for what you think you'd look coolest shooting with.

[Firefly]

Okay the M4 is not stopping power unless you're exploding heads. Let's not say things we don't mean. The M4 is a carbine. Now... you put that 203 round through someone's head at close range, and we're talking!

As far as John Woo movies... yeah. See that might appeal to me if I weren't jaded by this thing called reality. Having been there and done that, you know?

Of course, I'd love to run sideways on walls and take on fifty gun-toting former-SF mercenaries with a chair and my wits. Because we all know that ninjas can dodge bullets.

[oddfish]

Okay the M4 is not stopping power unless you're exploding heads. Let's not say things we don't mean. The M4 is a carbine. Now... you put that 203 round through someone's head at close range, and we're talking!

As far as John Woo movies... yeah. See that might appeal to me if I weren't jaded by this thing called reality. Having been there and done that, you know?

Of course, I'd love to run sideways on walls and take on fifty gun-toting former-SF mercenaries with a chair and my wits. Because we all know that ninjas can dodge bullets.


yes, ninjas can dodge bullets. they have amazing powers.

[Onizuka-GTO]

http://world.guns.ru/handguns/sig_p250dcc-2.jpg

I want to go blazing with this gun!

The Sig Sauer P250 DCc!!! Not only does it look sassy, it's light, compact it has a decent clip size and comes in .45 calibre.

And iam not just repeating what i read of that website either.

Well okay iam, but its still a cool weapon isn't it? :cool:

[Retroactive]

http://www.tokenasians.com/archives/news/bbgatling.jpg
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/bb-missouri-gun.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/lahat/lahat_at.JPG

[JetRaiden]

Having lived a fairly adventurous and active military career, I can safely say I can, could, and/or have used most of the standard arms you might see. I am also amazed at the Hollywood-brainwashed stupidity of some people here. The Calico is a piece of shit. Its sales sucked balls for a reason. Because the weapon sucked balls. Why do you think they went out of business? It might be pretty and spacey... but it fires like a two year old girl.

Uh... negative. Its earlier variant the LAND WARRIOR system altogether weighed around a hundred pounds, I believe. The OICW is a scaled-down more-effective version made by like seventeen different companies (they each have a piece to make). Try doing your homework before you go farting off at the mouth.

I believe in stopping power versus fancy artsy-fartsy garbage. Berettas are "handy" because they are cheap, dime-a-dozen, and fire a standard-size munition. Every dime-store hood and cheap ghetto "gangsta" has one... that's part of the problem. if they all have them and there are so many shootings, why do so many of them still exist? I'll tell you why. The 9mm round itself is a piece of shit. Why do you think TR sucks? You can hit a guy with a 9mil and unless you head-shot him, chances are he's going to get up and beat the fuck out of you. And you'd deserve it.

Stopping power puts down your enemies. Lots of lead does not. You can fire a magazine of 9mil at a target and, perhaps if G'd was smiling on you and wanted you to go home and see your little girl, you'd walk away. Big-bore pistols. Don't give me that Desert Eagle shit... that's overkill. If you can stand without your arms shaking after that, if you can fucking HEAR after firing the seven-round magazine, you don't need a gun. It's a heavy-hitting weapon, made mainly for sporting and target shooting... because unless you're shooting engine blocks on semi rigs, it's fucking impractical and utterly useless. Forty-five is a decent size heavy-hitter. So I go with a modern .45 (older ones might be "refurbished" aka retreads). Wilson Combat makes a bad-ass .45 that you simply cannot beat. As far as two-handed firing... that's for Perfect Dark and Goldeneye. Unless you're ambidextrous and well-trained to overcome dominance, you'll basically be spraying and praying... meaning wasting rounds.

If you're talking about bigger weapons, specify either shotguns or rifles. I myself prefer Remington or Ithaca shotguns, but that's simply because they're reliable and make a bad-ass bang... in addition to a decent hole in your chest. For rifles, I go with something that fires at least 7.62... since I believe in the laws of lead, we're talking AK variants. If possible I'll take a machinegun. My first duty station, I carried the M249 SAW until we went to Bosnia, then I was carrying an M60. We eventually upgraded to M240 (also known as Mag-something...) and because I was the biggest boy on the team, I got it.

Firepower is ultimate. Accuracy is secondary... you can hit them all day. But if you can't put them down, you're a target. Firepower does not necessarily mean rate of fire... but it does mean bigger bore.

some jackass (apparent firearms know it all) told me it weighed about 70 pounds. :rolleyes:

[oddfish]

.......

[Dharkbayne]

A fancy uzi with a lasersight in one hand, and a katana in the other. And laser vision. Or fire breath. Yeaaaah, firebreath.

[JetRaiden]

:huh:

an uzi with lasersight is like putting a scope on a slingshot. basically a waste of time.

[OneManArmy]

if you ever have a good buzz goin' just come hang around firefly he'll kill it for ya :p

[ControlledBurn]

if you ever have a good buzz goin' just come hang around firefly he'll kill it for ya :p
He seems pretty cool if you ask me, knows his stuff and doesn't bullshit.

[AztecWarrior]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/akm_gp25.jpg
AK-47 (because 7.62x39 Soviet beats the crap out of 5.56x45 NATO) with GP-25 40mm grenade launcher in case I really need to kill every motherfucker in the room.

I'd also like to add a red dot sight.

[Seer]

The 9mm round itself is a piece of shit. Why do you think TR sucks? You can hit a guy with a 9mil and unless you head-shot him, chances are he's going to get up and beat the fuck out of you. And you'd deserve it.

Firepower is ultimate. Accuracy is secondary... you can hit them all day. But if you can't put them down, you're a target. Firepower does not necessarily mean rate of fire... but it does mean bigger bore.


Firefly, mind backing up your extreme claims with data? I'll take accuracy over firepower any day.

[dscytherulez]

Having lived a fairly adventurous and active military career, I can safely say I can, could, and/or have used most of the standard arms you might see. I am also amazed at the Hollywood-brainwashed stupidity of some people here. The Calico is a piece of shit. Its sales sucked balls for a reason. Because the weapon sucked balls. Why do you think they went out of business? It might be pretty and spacey... but it fires like a two year old girl.

Uh... negative. Its earlier variant the LAND WARRIOR system altogether weighed around a hundred pounds, I believe. The OICW is a scaled-down more-effective version made by like seventeen different companies (they each have a piece to make). Try doing your homework before you go farting off at the mouth.

I believe in stopping power versus fancy artsy-fartsy garbage. Berettas are "handy" because they are cheap, dime-a-dozen, and fire a standard-size munition. Every dime-store hood and cheap ghetto "gangsta" has one... that's part of the problem. if they all have them and there are so many shootings, why do so many of them still exist? I'll tell you why. The 9mm round itself is a piece of shit. Why do you think TR sucks? You can hit a guy with a 9mil and unless you head-shot him, chances are he's going to get up and beat the fuck out of you. And you'd deserve it.

Stopping power puts down your enemies. Lots of lead does not. You can fire a magazine of 9mil at a target and, perhaps if G'd was smiling on you and wanted you to go home and see your little girl, you'd walk away. Big-bore pistols. Don't give me that Desert Eagle shit... that's overkill. If you can stand without your arms shaking after that, if you can fucking HEAR after firing the seven-round magazine, you don't need a gun. It's a heavy-hitting weapon, made mainly for sporting and target shooting... because unless you're shooting engine blocks on semi rigs, it's fucking impractical and utterly useless. Forty-five is a decent size heavy-hitter. So I go with a modern .45 (older ones might be "refurbished" aka retreads). Wilson Combat makes a bad-ass .45 that you simply cannot beat. As far as two-handed firing... that's for Perfect Dark and Goldeneye. Unless you're ambidextrous and well-trained to overcome dominance, you'll basically be spraying and praying... meaning wasting rounds.

If you're talking about bigger weapons, specify either shotguns or rifles. I myself prefer Remington or Ithaca shotguns, but that's simply because they're reliable and make a bad-ass bang... in addition to a decent hole in your chest. For rifles, I go with something that fires at least 7.62... since I believe in the laws of lead, we're talking AK variants. If possible I'll take a machinegun. My first duty station, I carried the M249 SAW until we went to Bosnia, then I was carrying an M60. We eventually upgraded to M240 (also known as Mag-something...) and because I was the biggest boy on the team, I got it.

Firepower is ultimate. Accuracy is secondary... you can hit them all day. But if you can't put them down, you're a target. Firepower does not necessarily mean rate of fire... but it does mean bigger bore.

Chill man. This whole thread was based on the fictional coolness factor. You need to calm down. In a real situation, yes, there would be almost NO way I would take a .50 DE over a P-99 unless I was going up against someone in kevlar. Secondly, what you said about 9mm is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Let me shoot you in the chest, or stomach, or thigh. We'll see how far you make it to beating the shit out of me after that. A .357 DE is just as powerful, if not more, than a .45 colt. Plus, the recoil is similar. Don't knock Desert Eagles. You seem to be comparing their overkill to a big bore .50 sniper. That is not what you should be doing. A Barret M99 could crack a big block, a close range .50 DE might dent it. There's a difference between caliber and actual firing power.

You also have no right to talk about overkill as you talk about a SAW as a single person assault weapon. It is a covering fire support weapon, not a fucking Rambo gun. You'd get pwned if you rambo'd with that. It's just not conventional.

Lastly, your words on firepower would get you on a snipers shitlist, as they would tell you a completely different story. I'd say it is an even combination of the two. As a matter of fact, I'd say accuracy is more important. If someone could fire a single shot 800 meters away and hit a man in the skull, he's dead. No matter how you look at it, he's fucked. I could send 300 rounds of an mp5 down an 800 meter range and miss him all day, or, put a couple of 7.62's down range and miss with those too.. If that happened, I'd say I'd be the one fucked. It all depends on the situation.

[jedi]

A silenced Five-seven
An Mk23 SOCOM
A K Bar USMC Combat knife

[AztecWarrior]

Oh, yeah, forgot my sidearm that goes in addition to my AK:

http://www.hunter.ru/gun/articles/images/revolvers4.jpg
A Taurus Raging Bull in .44 Magnum. Do you feel lucky?

[Navaron]

http://www.hk-usa.com/images/uspexpertrt.jpg
.40 HK USP Expert - I'm buying one of these this fall (I've fired it many times, anyone know anything I should be aware of?)

Home defence baby -

http://www.hayesandassociates.co.nz/Shotguns/CobraT1.jpg

Hayes Cobra

[Everay]

http://142.217.188.18:59999/netdoom/jpg/DOOM21.jpg

nuff said

[dscytherulez]

anyone know anything I should be aware of?

USP's don't like cold weather. They're ok, I'm not a huge fan though.

[Dharkbayne]

:huh:

an uzi with lasersight is like putting a scope on a slingshot. basically a waste of time.

But it looks cool. Fuck aim, remember John Woo, you never miss. Ever. And if you do, it's to look really cool

[ControlledBurn]

Chill man. This whole thread was based on the fictional coolness factor. You need to calm down. In a real situation, yes, there would be almost NO way I would take a .50 DE over a P-99 unless I was going up against someone in kevlar. Secondly, what you said about 9mm is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Let me shoot you in the chest, or stomach, or thigh. We'll see how far you make it to beating the shit out of me after that. A .357 DE is just as powerful, if not more, than a .45 colt. Plus, the recoil is similar. Don't knock Desert Eagles. You seem to be comparing their overkill to a big bore .50 sniper. That is not what you should be doing. A Barret M99 could crack a big block, a close range .50 DE might dent it. There's a difference between caliber and actual firing power.

You also have no right to talk about overkill as you talk about a SAW as a single person assault weapon. It is a covering fire support weapon, not a fucking Rambo gun. You'd get pwned if you rambo'd with that. It's just not conventional.

Lastly, your words on firepower would get you on a snipers shitlist, as they would tell you a completely different story. I'd say it is an even combination of the two. As a matter of fact, I'd say accuracy is more important. If someone could fire a single shot 800 meters away and hit a man in the skull, he's dead. No matter how you look at it, he's fucked. I could send 300 rounds of an mp5 down an 800 meter range and miss him all day, or, put a couple of 7.62's down range and miss with those too.. If that happened, I'd say I'd be the one fucked. It all depends on the situation.

Desert Eagles are heavy as hell. They are nearly twice as heavy as a conventional handgun is. For example my USP weighs around 700 grams, the DE weighs close to 1700 if I recall correctly. Recoil is most certainly not similar, especially when you take into account the weight of the weapon combined with it's kick. And for the record, the DE .50 doesn't fire the same round, the DE fires a .50 Action Express, where the Barrett fires the .50 Browning Machine Gun round. That's why the firepower isn't similar, as if you've ever seen a .50BMG, you'd know that there's a shit ton of powder behind that bullet compared to the much smaller AE casing.

A SAW can most certainly be used as a single person assault weapon. It's light enough to be held like a standard rifle, and it's rate of fire is certainly slow enough to fire single or short bursts and be accurate. And seeing as he's a former SAW gunner, I'd expect he'd know these things quite well. Maybe you have no right to be questioning his logic.

As for your argument on firepower being a combination I'd have to agree with it for the most part. I'd most certainly argue that getting hit in the head is not the end all be all, I've heard of plenty of people being struck in the head with a variety of different caliber rounds and surviving. Plus take into consideration something like a PASGT helmet at range. Velocity decreases exponentially with every foot it moves, so by the time you hit something at range, even if it was accurate, you may merely wound them, or even just piss them off.

[ControlledBurn]

http://www.hk-usa.com/images/uspexpertrt.jpg
.40 HK USP Expert - I'm buying one of these this fall (I've fired it many times, anyone know anything I should be aware of?)

I've had my USP .45f for a couple months now. I absoloutely love it, and have had zero problems with it. A friend of mine once likened firing a USP to driving a German car, as they're quite smooth and quite free of problems. I've yet to hear of cold weather problems with them, I'd ask people on hkpro.com for a definitive opinion of any such problems.

[AztecWarrior]

http://142.217.188.18:59999/netdoom/jpg/DOOM21.jpg

nuff said
I'd have to agree.

[Navaron]

I've had my USP .45f for a couple months now. I absoloutely love it, and have had zero problems with it. A friend of mine once likened firing a USP to driving a German car, as they're quite smooth and quite free of problems. I've yet to hear of cold weather problems with them, I'd ask people on hkpro.com for a definitive opinion of any such problems.


Where'd you purchase yours, and if you don't mind, what did you pay?

[ControlledBurn]

Where'd you purchase yours, and if you don't mind, what did you pay?

Bought it at Florida Gun Exchange. Martyr, Triggar, Bliz and I all buy our stuff there, they've been very good to us. Bought it brand new, after taxes and fees it cost me about $850. I think it was about $750 before. I'll have to check my receipt when I get home.

[Biohazzard56]

OICW:
http://digilander.libero.it/italiasoftair/oicw-001.jpg

[Navaron]

Awesome. Thanks. Do you have the .45 or .40? I prefer the .40 myself.

[dscytherulez]

Desert Eagles are heavy as hell. They are nearly twice as heavy as a conventional handgun is. For example my USP weighs around 700 grams, the DE weighs close to 1700 if I recall correctly. Recoil is most certainly not similar, especially when you take into account the weight of the weapon combined with it's kick. And for the record, the DE .50 doesn't fire the same round, the DE fires a .50 Action Express, where the Barrett fires the .50 Browning Machine Gun round. That's why the firepower isn't similar, as if you've ever seen a .50BMG, you'd know that there's a shit ton of powder behind that bullet compared to the much smaller AE casing.

A SAW can most certainly be used as a single person assault weapon. It's light enough to be held like a standard rifle, and it's rate of fire is certainly slow enough to fire single or short bursts and be accurate. And seeing as he's a former SAW gunner, I'd expect he'd know these things quite well. Maybe you have no right to be questioning his logic.

As for your argument on firepower being a combination I'd have to agree with it for the most part. I'd most certainly argue that getting hit in the head is not the end all be all, I've heard of plenty of people being struck in the head with a variety of different caliber rounds and surviving. Plus take into consideration something like a PASGT helmet at range. Velocity decreases exponentially with every foot it moves, so by the time you hit something at range, even if it was accurate, you may merely wound them, or even just piss them off.

Yes, DE's are heavy, but not unbearable. The weight actually helps tremendously when it comes to recoil. When I said similar I was comparing a .357 magnum to a .45. And yes, those to have very similar recoil.

Unless he is using an MK.46-0, there is no way you could comfortably hold a loaded, belt fed saw and fire off more than a few accurate rounds.

My whole argument on the firepower/accuracy was not to be taken apart and analyzed scientifically, it was just an example. Yes, I realize grazings won't kill someone. I never said anything about a helmet. I said a perfect 800 meter shot, hitting dead center in your skull. This of course, I know, isn't very likely, but like I said...EXAMPLE.

Edit: The USP cold weather problem I was talking about probably won't matter to you. I meant EXTREME colds. My friend in Canada (GASP), has one. He sometimes has problems with it when he fires it in the cold, moreso than most of his other guns.

[AztecWarrior]

NOTE: This thread is an action movie gun thread. Not what you'd carry into a war. Unless you can do a flip out of a window, then, in mid-air, plug your enemy's coordinates into the OICW targeting computer, land, fire off a 20mm, you should vie for simpler weapons.

And if I had to go to war, I'd take a G3 over my AK.

[ControlledBurn]

Awesome. Thanks. Do you have the .45 or .40? I prefer the .40 myself.

Got the .45, always had a preference for the stopping power of an old fashioned .45 slug.

[AztecWarrior]

Quick question- do a .45 Colt and a .45 ACP have equal stopping power?

[ControlledBurn]

Yes, DE's are heavy, but not unbearable. The weight actually helps tremendously when it comes to recoil. When I said similar I was comparing a .357 magnum to a .45. And yes, those to have very similar recoil.

Unless he is using an MK.46-0, there is no way you could comfortably hold a loaded, belt fed saw and fire off more than a few accurate rounds.

My whole argument on the firepower/accuracy was not to be taken apart and analyzed scientifically, it was just an example. Yes, I realize grazings won't kill someone. I never said anything about a helmet. I said a perfect 800 meter shot, hitting dead center in your skull. This of course, I know, isn't very likely, but like I said...EXAMPLE.

Edit: The USP cold weather problem I was talking about probably won't matter to you. I meant EXTREME colds. My friend in Canada (GASP), has one. He sometimes has problems with it when he fires it in the cold, moreso than most of his other guns.

No .357 I've ever fired has a similar recoil to a .45. Not even the smaller .357Sig rounds are similar in kick.

Have you ever carried a SAW? I'm going to harbor a guess considering your age and say no. Both Firefly and I have held and fired a SAW, so trying to debate something like firing offhand with a SAW when you haven't done it is pretty retarded.

[ControlledBurn]

Quick question- do a .45 Colt and a .45 ACP have equal stopping power?

.45 ACP stands for .45 Automatic Colt Pistol.....harbor a guess.

[dscytherulez]

No .357 I've ever fired has a similar recoil to a .45. Not even the smaller .357Sig rounds are similar in kick.

Have you ever carried a SAW? I'm going to harbor a guess considering your age and say no. Both Firefly and I have held and fired a SAW, so trying to debate something like firing offhand with a SAW when you haven't done it is pretty retarded.

I've fired a .45 colt, then a .357 DE. They both had similar recoils and recovery times for me.

No, you're right, I have never even held a SAW. But I can logically argue, which is pretty much what I do 24/7. The weight of an unloaded MK.46-0 is about 15 lbs. About the weight of an M16. Now, strap on a hefty belt clip. Add the fact your shooting the full SAW, not just the "SAW Light". I'd say it would be pretty hard to accurately fire many rounds from something that hefty with that much power, while your holding it like an assault rifle. I don't care how "tough" you are, it would just be too strenuous on your arm. The recoil on a SAW, I "hear" (Again, I've never fired one but one of my best friends is in the army) is terrible. Bad recoil leads to bad accuracy.

It's true purpose is for squad support, not Rambo style headshots from 400 meters.

[Sputty]

My naked body

[oddfish]

.45 ACP stands for .45 Automatic Colt Pistol.....harbor a guess.

:clap:

[AztecWarrior]

.45 ACP stands for .45 Automatic Colt Pistol.....harbor a guess.
...

.45 ACP and .45 Colt are completely different rounds that share only the caliber.

MILITARY SMALL ARMS OF THE 20TH CENTURY, 6TH EDITION:

NAME, ROUND LENGTH (mm), CASE LENGTH(mm), RIM DIAMETER(mm), BULLET WEIGHT (g), and MUZZLE VELOCITY (m/sec)
.45 ACP 32.19---22.79---11.86---15.16---250

.45 COLT M1909 40.64---32.77---13.66---16.20---225

[WildEagle]

But it looks cool. Fuck aim, remember John Woo, you never miss. Ever. And if you do, it's to look really cool
:stupid: what he said, stop gettin so real

[oddfish]

http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p226-navy-large.jpg


i must say, that'd look pretty sweet doubled. i've always liked Sigs..

[Setari]

http://www.sigarms.com/apps/cmt/img/p226-navy-large.jpg


i must say, that'd look pretty sweet doubled. i've always liked Sigs..
indeed. as have i. id rather have a nickel 226 though, probably .40SW

[Sputty]

Gatling gun :D

However for coolness I'd go for dual barrettas or kung fu :brow:
It's Gatlin, not Gatling

[dscytherulez]

Actually I do believe it is "Gatling" Sputty.

Edit: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWgatling.htm

[ViperGTS]

Deul desert eagles. Plus an m16 with a 203 over my shoulder.

[OneManArmy]

seriously way to fuck up a nice fantasy thread with your epenis bickering... take it elsewhere ladies. make your own thread. :p

oh and i guess if I were to add a bigger gun of sorts to my dual berettas...
http://www.hkpro.com/g36cwht.jpg
The G36C "Compact"
Cal 5.56mm x 45 NATO

[dscytherulez]

:rofl: And they laughed when I said a single .50. Lol.

Sorry for fucking up the thread guys, but I always have to argue with people that annoy me. Even if I knew I was wrong, the argument would go on for a long time. Anyhow, I was talking in the spirit of John Woo when I said a .50 DE, Walther P-99, and Barret M99. That would be my load out.

[oddfish]

indeed. as have i. id rather have a nickel 226 though, probably .40SW


I havn't shot a .40 S&W yet, is it a nice round?

[I Hate Pants]

Dual AK-47s mounted on a tripod!

http://img22.photobucket.com/albums/v66/i_hate_pants/untitleddsjhs.bmp

http://img22.photobucket.com/albums/v66/i_hate_pants/big_gun_1081008866_AKLEFTsidePOST.jpg

http://img22.photobucket.com/albums/v66/i_hate_pants/untitled.bmp

LEAD UP YER ASS!

[Setari]

I havn't shot a .40 S&W yet, is it a nice round?
lol. dunno havent shot it yet. :P

[OneManArmy]

Dual AK-47s mounted on a tripod!



:lol: thats awsome!!! though... fail to see how that'd help in a situation where your always moving... but awsome none the less... see nav.. now thats home defense! lol

[Sputty]

Dual AK-47s mounted on a tripod!
LEAD UP YER ASS!
Or...you could use something better, like a single M60 or PKM, or a M249....

BTW, I'd like to make an addition to my weapon list
My naked body and:
A 120mm Mortar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/images/120mm-mrt.jpg

[Setari]

http://world.guns.ru/assault/sig550_2.jpg
in keeping with my like for the appearance of sigs, id say my rifle of choice would be this (including tri-clip thing) and possibly a scope.

[I Hate Pants]

Or...you could use something better, like a single M60 or PKM, or a M249....

Don't be hatn' the AK-47. One of the best damn guns eva!

[oddfish]

Or...you could use something better, like a single M60 or PKM, or a M249....

BTW, I'd like to make an addition to my weapon list
My naked body and:
A 120mm Mortar
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/images/120mm-mrt.jpg


no naked.. no. no.

[AztecWarrior]

Don't be hatn' the AK-47. One of the best damn guns eva!
I own a semi-auto version, the SAR-1. Combined with a Tasco red dot, it pwns.

[OneManArmy]

i dunno a nekkid sputty firing that mortar thing would be pretty funny...

[dscytherulez]

Aztec owns more weapons than the god damn Iraqis. Lol.

[Zodiac]

I would carry around a guitar case full of guns, like in Desperado. :nod:

[OneManArmy]

obviously you've never seen my friends gun safes... hell the man works at a gun shop. gets paid in guns.. just keeps putting ones on layaway and takes em home at the end of the week instead of a paycheck.. :lol:

[I Hate Pants]

I acutally have the hots for the Chinese SKS rifle. I dunno why but i'd like to get my hands on one of those:

http://img22.photobucket.com/albums/v66/i_hate_pants/sks_chin.jpg

http://img22.photobucket.com/albums/v66/i_hate_pants/sks_load.jpg

[AztecWarrior]

Aztec owns more weapons than the god damn Iraqis. Lol.
No comment.

[oddfish]

No comment.

:lol: :rofl:

[dscytherulez]

:rofl:

How could I forget, one gun I'd love to bring to a firefight would be an M1 Garand.

[JetRaiden]

I own a semi-auto version, the SAR-1. Combined with a Tasco red dot, it pwns.

pics:

[ControlledBurn]

pics:
The Romanian SAR-1s cost like $300 and are quite abundant, I wouldn't doubt his dad has one.

[JetRaiden]

yea, well....shut up...

[Firefly]

Firefly, mind backing up your extreme claims with data? I'll take accuracy over firepower any day.
Data? Dude I don't go Googling shit. I speak from real-life working-man knowledge. I spent two years carrying handguns and the first time you have to fire and compare mock exit wounds (watermelons make nice demonstrations), you learn to appreciate the size of the hole. 9mil holes... well, I've seen better holes on has-been strippers. A forty-five... now goddamn, anything that walks away from that can have my ballsack.

Mmkay, you take your highly accurate .22 starter pistol at 25 meters and I'll take my .45 at 25 meters. You shoot first. I'll kill you first. Okay. You take your accurate 9-mil and put one round in the chamber. I'll take my nice, highly-accurate, bigger-recoil, bigger-bore .45 (which is roughly 11-mil if I do the math in my head using fingers and toes). One round. Twenty paces. Now, assuming you don't hit me and outright kill me (which could happen but not entirely likely), you just blew your one "Last Man Standing Shot". I've got a .45 that will most likely knock you down wherever I hit, and almost assuredly kill you if I hit in vital areas. Sure a 9mil can kill- I never said it couldn't. Anything can kill if you hit in the right spot. But compare the likelihood and percentage of chance, and your chances drop if you've got a nice pretty accurate gun that doesn't do shit for damage.

Accuracy is all well and good but I'm not talking about overall accuracy as it pertains to every firearm known to man. I mean in terms of handguns, specifically 9mils versus bigger weapons. You can be accurate all day long but if you're not putting someone down then what the hell good are you? Handguns are last-line defense weapons. Do you REALLY want to put your life in the hands of a small bullet? No- I guarantee you that you'd want a handgun that will blow a nice hole in someone AND leave them dying in the mud.

Secondly, what you said about 9mm is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Let me shoot you in the chest, or stomach, or thigh. We'll see how far you make it to beating the shit out of me after that.
I'm sure you can sell a great case to cops who have been armed with 9mil handguns and shot people with several rounds and had them survive. As opposed to the guys who now carry Glock .40 because they know better, and don't have to worry about it. Now, sure... many people don't feel like getting up after being shot in the chest or stomach or thigh. But it's happened before. I guaranfuckingtee you, a guy who gets shot with something bigger, DEFINITELY won't be getting up unless he's hopped up on something. Shoot someone in the thigh with a 9mil. They could get up, more than likely. Shoot them in the thigh with a .45 and they won't be too eager to test that theory.

A .357 DE is just as powerful, if not more, than a .45 colt. Plus, the recoil is similar. Don't knock Desert Eagles. You seem to be comparing their overkill to a big bore .50 sniper. That is not what you should be doing. A Barret M99 could crack a big block, a close range .50 DE might dent it. There's a difference between caliber and actual firing power.
I seem to be? Where did I mention the Barrett? No, I'm comparing the Desert Eagle .50 handgun to a Desert Eagle .50 handgun. I didn't say anything about a .357 now did I? Powerful comes in terms of how much powder is packed behind your round. I am well aware of the difference in caliber and firing power, thanks. I didn't say anything about the Desert Eagle not being powerful. I said it's worthless for anything aside from sport and target shooting. You see it in movies because that's Hollywood. These are the same ass-tigers that have fifty guys shoot one man, he dodges every round or they can't hit shit, and he suddenly racks up fifty kills. Come on.

You also have no right to talk about overkill as you talk about a SAW as a single person assault weapon. It is a covering fire support weapon, not a fucking Rambo gun. You'd get pwned if you rambo'd with that. It's just not conventional.
You said enough for me when you said you didn't know what you're talking about. As far as getting "pwned", I don't think so. I shot expert on the SAW range every single time I went. I also taught classes to the entire battalion's SAW gunners on the SAW and its implementation. I led fire teams and squads to victory during military-stakes events using MILES gear and blanks, which is not thoroughly realistic but it's better than the experience you've got. I've also carried a SAW into combat. This isn't trench warfare we're engaged in these days. You *HAVE* to be mobile, you *HAVE* to get your ass up and get moving. It's made to be a light, maneuverable automatic weapon, a light machine gun. As much as you'd love to think the SAW is a big nasty heavy machine gun, it's not. We're not talking about a giant weapon. It's only slightly heavier than an M16 (at least to me it was, but I'm a big boy). The SAW is a personal weapon, it's not a crew-served weapon with ammo bitchboys. So yes. You CAN "rambo" with it. Especially the para-SAWs, which are basically scaled-down versions of the SAW. When you've actually handled one and fired one, cleaned it and slept with it and made it your best friend and your lifeguard, come talk to me.

Lastly, your words on firepower would get you on a snipers shitlist, as they would tell you a completely different story. I'd say it is an even combination of the two. As a matter of fact, I'd say accuracy is more important. If someone could fire a single shot 800 meters away and hit a man in the skull, he's dead. No matter how you look at it, he's fucked. I could send 300 rounds of an mp5 down an 800 meter range and miss him all day, or, put a couple of 7.62's down range and miss with those too.. If that happened, I'd say I'd be the one fucked. It all depends on the situation.
Where in my post did you see me talking about snipers? A sniper is by nature an accurate one-shot kill. Of course it's even combination when it comes to sniping. No one is disputing that. But not every grunt is a sniper and the sniper is a specialized role. I'm talking about for up-close and personal, starting with handguns. Comparing an MP5 to a 7.62 weapon is pretty fucking stupid any way you look at it. First of all, any retard trying to fire 800 yards with an MP5 is a clueless dolt. Nobody in their right mind would ever use that as an example.

No, you're right, I have never even held a SAW. But I can logically argue, which is pretty much what I do 24/7. The weight of an unloaded MK.46-0 is about 15 lbs. About the weight of an M16. Now, strap on a hefty belt clip. Add the fact your shooting the full SAW, not just the "SAW Light". I'd say it would be pretty hard to accurately fire many rounds from something that hefty with that much power, while your holding it like an assault rifle. I don't care how "tough" you are, it would just be too strenuous on your arm.
You've never held a SAW. Exactly. You cannot logically argue. First of all, we're not talking about holding the motherfucker with one hand. That's just ridiculous. This isn't Swordfish, dude. Try to separate yourself from the movies. Okay, you mention like an assault rifle. They teach you how to fire it from the shoulder, but nobody does this in all practicality. You're either in the prone on the ground or firing supported... or you've got it from the hip (yes like Rambo) BUT you also have a shoulder belt that bears most of the weight. Now, to be fair... if you're going in guns blazing with one big long burst, you're not going to get accuracy. That's a simple fact of recoil, force, and all that science jazz. Ideally, you'd be firing short bursts. Three-round is what they teach you. I can't be certain, but I'm pretty sure I have fired one-round shots from a drum. Oh- the belt. It's linked rounds from a drum, not a belt that you sling over your shoulder like a gay Chuck Norris movie. The ammo comes from a drum that's attached to the underside of the weapon, not a clip. Although it can fire from an M16 magazine... but only a desperate out-of-ammo gunner would be doing this.

Point- I've fired from the hip. It was not strenuous on my arm. Para-SAW or regular. I did fire it from the shoulder and yes, it was difficult, but they only teach familiarization. No dumbfuck in his right mind wants to do that all day.

The recoil on a SAW, I "hear" (Again, I've never fired one but one of my best friends is in the army) is terrible. Bad recoil leads to bad accuracy.

It's true purpose is for squad support, not Rambo style headshots from 400 meters.
Nobody's talking about Rambo headshots from 400 meters... yes, it's a team/squad support weapon. I never noticed the recoil being bad, let alone terrible. But then, if you're firing like a stupid maniac with the trigger all the way back, then you deserve whatever shit accuracy you get... along with the glowing red-hot warped barrel that will invariably result.

Oh by the way. I've engaged targets with a SAW at over 400 meters. I've hit targets at 800 meters. You can make headshots at 400 meters, if you have time and nominal conditions and are an above-average shooter. Furthermore. You can actually, with modifications such as an optical sight, turn the SAW into a mini-sniper rifle... provided you've got excellent trigger control and you're leaning into the bi-pod.

[ControlledBurn]

http://students.db.erau.edu/~papageod/AK47-1.jpg
http://students.db.erau.edu/~papageod/AK47-2.jpg

Linked because the pictures are huge, and forgive the bitch hipping I'm doing in the first picture.

[AztecWarrior]

The Romanian SAR-1s cost like $300 and are quite abundant, I wouldn't doubt his dad has one.
We have one, but I don't have a camera.

[dscytherulez]

Half of the shit, no, no, 3/4 of the shit you posted, wasn't even replying to your post firefly. Fuck off, read before you talk.

[Setari]

Half of the shit, no, no, 3/4 of the shit you posted, wasn't even replying to your post firefly. Fuck off, read before you talk.
actually just so you know, snipers that fire at distances of 800m+ most often in the army are trained to aim for the center of mass, aka the chest.

[ControlledBurn]

Half of the shit, no, no, 3/4 of the shit you posted, wasn't even replying to your post firefly. Fuck off, read before you talk.

So just because it wasn't written with him in mind means it doesn't matter? Get your shit together kid, you got owned with facts.

[dscytherulez]

actually just so you know, snipers that fire at distances of 800m+ most often in the army are trained to aim for the center of mass, aka the chest.

Indeed, plus they have spotters. I did say it wasn't for breaking down scientifically though :).

[dscytherulez]

So just because it wasn't written with him in mind means it doesn't matter? Get your shit together kid, you got owned with facts.

And you sir, just wasted at least an hour arguing with a 15 y/o about guns on a PlanetSide forum. Get your shit together adult, you got owned by the baby police.

[ControlledBurn]

And you sir, just wasted at least an hour arguing with a 15 y/o about guns on a PlanetSide forum. Get your shit together adult, you got owned by the baby police.
I was at work, I didn't have much else to do kiddo, so arguing weapons on a forum was a good distraction, even if I had to throw facts in some random forum kiddies face.

[Firefly]

Half of the shit, no, no, 3/4 of the shit you posted, wasn't even replying to your post firefly. Fuck off, read before you talk.
I did read it, dicklips. What I posted wasn't replying to my post, you're right. It's replying to your post. Now I'm trying to be nice about this but if you're gonna PMS about it, then take a fuckin Midol. Either try to be clearer when YOU talk, or generally keep your fucking mouth shut when you're running on flapping your dicksmackers when you don't know what you're talking about.

Which is highly evident by your series of posts when you finally had to admit you knew jack and shit about a SAW.

[Dharkbayne]

So just because it wasn't written with him in mind means it doesn't matter? Get your shit together kid, you got owned with facts.

[dscytherulez]

I was at work, I didn't have much else to do kiddo, so arguing weapons on a forum was a good distraction, even if I had to throw facts in some random forum kiddies face.

I'm calling your boss. You should have been working. And, you really didn't tell my ANYTHING I didn't know already. You've proved nothing. I've seen no proof of how g-unit-riffic ramboing with a saw is. I've seen no proof that a .357 has "SOOOOO" much more recoil than a colt .45 (Which I've fired both, one after another, and noticed only a slight difference.). You've done nothing but throw your opinion into your posts. This whole thread was not about realism or how special you think you are because you're a gun-nut terrorist, who will probably end up going AWOL and shooting up some damn school in the middle of Arizona. It was completely about "Geez, how cool would be be to do *thisthattheotherthing*". But you fruitcakes spoiled it. Nice job there, you mature adults you. Indeed, truly nice work.

[Setari]

so if we've got some people that have been around guns for a while i have a few questions. Ever fired a Sig 550? If so how did it feel? Can you comment on the accuracy and quality of the rifle?

[Sputty]

You can argue about small arms all you want, but my 120mm owns all of you.

Edit: Also, Firefly is right.

[ControlledBurn]

I'm calling your boss. You should have been working. And, you really didn't tell my ANYTHING I didn't know already. You've proved nothing. I've seen no proof of how g-unit-riffic ramboing with a saw is. I've seen no proof that a .357 has "SOOOOO" much more recoil than a colt .45 (Which I've fired both, one after another, and noticed only a slight difference.). You've done nothing but throw your opinion into your posts. This whole thread was not about realism or how special you think you are because you're a gun-nut terrorist, who will probably end up going AWOL and shooting up some damn school in the middle of Arizona. It was completely about "Geez, how cool would be be to do *thisthattheotherthing*". But you fruitcakes spoiled it. Nice job there, you mature adults you. Indeed, truly nice work.

Both mine and firefly's opinion have real-world experience to them, as in we've been there and done that, Firefly also has quite a bit more than me militarily for the time being. My opinion on the difference in kick between a .357 and .45 is exactly what matters, as I'll want something with as little kick as possible while being effective if I ever go into some sort of combat situation. The proof you're looking for regarding the SAW is only found by experiencing, not on a piece of paper. You claim you've fired a .357 Mag followed up by a .45ACP and that there is no difference, I have to call bullshit, as will anyone else with a good working knowledge of firearms. I'm no gun-nut terrorist, I'm merely a man who has spent a good deal of time around firearms, and has plans for a long career in the military. Make whatever observations you want about who I am, but the sad truth is you know nothing about me except what little I've posted to the forums, so the name calling doesn't bother me, you're just another 15 year old trying to shit talk his way out of a corner.

[UncleDynamite]

Getting back to the topic, my weapons of choice:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000BXJIC.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[ControlledBurn]

Martyr's got a watergun that resembles a beamer imo.

[scarpas]

for me, id carry a large yellow (with brown polka dots, of course) flamethrower named frank, and a tasty sandwich.

[UncleDynamite]

Would the sandwich have a name?

[dscytherulez]

I like the corner, it turns me on. If I wanted to get out of it I'd bitch and moan about being in it in the first place. You don't seem to understand the fact of how much I actually care about this (which is very little). I do have a sense of pride though. That pride entitles me to fight for something I've said, whether it's wrong or not. If you could let this go, then so could I. In fact, I tried, until firefly opened his mouth again.

I'd really wish you could grow up and become more mature, that way I wouldn't have to.

The whole point of my VERY first post after firefly's was to let him know that this thread wasn't meant to be looked at as a realistic thing. I say DE .50 and get flamed.

Stop arguing with me, you bore me, your not at your job anymore are you? I must retire for the night, but If there is another post after this, be rest assured that mine will follow shortly after. I don't stop. I never will. You first...I tried, it's your turn to be mature.

[l3lizz4rd]

That pride entitles me to fight for something I've said, whether it's wrong or not.
I'm sorry, but you are fucking retarded.

You get an F in life. Beat off, shut down your computer, and go cry yourself to sleep. Just because you're a big enough loser to get your rocks off by proving to the world how insanely fucktarded you are doesn't mean that you need to spray your cranial fecal matter all over this thread. You got owned because you're not well versed in a subject that you pretended to be. So, I reiterate, gather up what's left of your e-penis and hit the road to another thread.

but If there is another post after this, be rest assured that mine will follow shortly after.
Shoot, junior.

[OneManArmy]

Speaking of... I'd probably carry around the Glock 37 that fire that new .45 GAP round. The gun is roughly the same size and weight as the 9mm. :) perfect for concealed carry.

[Firefly]

I do have a sense of pride though. That pride entitles me to fight for something I've said, whether it's wrong or not.
That's called teenaged stupidity. When you hit puberty, you'll learn a valuable lesson called life.

[OneManArmy]

so.. in life you shouldnt fight for what you believe in?

[l3lizz4rd]

so.. in life you shouldnt fight for what you believe in?
You've gotta be kidding me.

[Firefly]

so.. in life you shouldnt fight for what you believe in?
Now, you can certainly attempt to turn it around and say something that mind-numbingly stupid in regards to the situation and try to sound philosophical, but you reinforce everyone's point. Nearly everyone in this thread pointed out that snuggle-nuts was wrong, didn't know what he was talking about, was talking out of his ass, and just being an annoying little twat. And you can certainly take your lumps with the rest of the mental midgets. We won't stop you.

So to answer your question:

In life if you fight for what you believe in, and what you believe in is wrong or based on stupidity/ignorance/youthful inexperience, then you get your ass kicked.

I cite the following examples: Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Sodom Hussein, Osama bin Laden, George Bush JR to name a few.

Care to continue, or are you done being an Army of One?

[martyr]

Speaking of... I'd probably carry around the Glock 37 that fire that new .45 GAP round. The gun is roughly the same size and weight as the 9mm. :) perfect for concealed carry.

oma and all who read: i reccomend staying away from the .45 glocks... at least by 30 feet or so. i've seen and heard numerous accounts of these things blowing up in the hands of a number of different departments' officers' hands all across the country, often causing some pretty bad injuries.

(not related to ammunition, as most glock kb's are. most sent back to glock and replaced for free with smaller calibers. no good for carry ... or anything, imo.)

[OneManArmy]

wow you sure are some high and mighty asshole, just throwing around kiddy insults like you do. honestly that just destroys all your credibility in my eyes. and honestly because you seem so easily reduced to it, you sir are weak. and certainly not worth my time.


but I will digress and say this. who is it for you to judge what a man does is right or wrong? only in the eyes of his creator can that judgement be made. All he can do is whats right in his eyes and in his heart.

and to martyr: really? that sucks. my friend carries the 9mm version around everywehre he goes and loves it. so I figured a higher calibur from them would be better. thats too bad. is this like an old problem (for example firestone tires used to suck but they're pretty good now) or is this like current?

[Lexington_Steele]

Now, you can certainly attempt to turn it around and say something that mind-numbingly stupid in regards to the situation and try to sound philosophical, but you reinforce everyone's point. Nearly everyone in this thread pointed out that snuggle-nuts was wrong, didn't know what he was talking about, was talking out of his ass, and just being an annoying little twat. And you can certainly take your lumps with the rest of the mental midgets. We won't stop you.

So to answer your question:

In life if you fight for what you believe in, and what you believe in is wrong or based on stupidity/ignorance/youthful inexperience, then you get your ass kicked.

I cite the following examples: Adolf Hitler, Mussolini, Sodom Hussein, Osama bin Laden, George Bush JR to name a few.

Care to continue, or are you done being an Army of One?

I would like to point out that this thread became much less of an enjoyable read after you started whipping out you firearm penis.

Are you done waving that thing around yet? Are you done trying to ruin a thread?

[UncleDynamite]

*sigh* So much for this thread.

Edit: Forgot to say that I second martyr. I've heard some pretty bad things about the higher-caliber Glocks. Quite dangerous, they say.

[martyr]

and to martyr: really? that sucks. my friend carries the 9mm version around everywehre he goes and loves it. so I figured a higher calibur from them would be better. thats too bad. is this like an old problem (for example firestone tires used to suck but they're pretty good now) or is this like current?

yeah, it sucks a lot. some pretty upset folks. it's a new thing, since the .45 line is new from glock. i heard it from an oregon pd, after two kbs they sent a wire and found that other departments had had the same things happen.

unfun.

[Firefly]

wow you sure are some high and mighty asshole
I sure am- I never bothered to hide this fact, but you pointing it out validates my existence and self-appointed claim as one. Thank you.

, just throwing around kiddy insults like you do. honestly that just destroys all your credibility in my eyes. and honestly because you seem so easily reduced to it, you sir are weak. and certainly not worth my time.
Once again- thank you so much. I am certain that my existence has been validated now. Oh wait- yeah your opinion means what to me? Ahhh what's that noise... crickets?

but I will digress and say this. who is it for you to judge what a man does is right or wrong? only in the eyes of his creator can that judgement be made. All he can do is whats right in his eyes and in his heart.
That might work if this were Religious Debate and I cared one whit for what the scriptures have to say on genocide and crimes against humanity or holding to a belief that it has been proven through popular opinion to be wrong.

As far as what role is it of mine to judge someone on what they do as right or wrong... when it comes to people like Adolf Hitler, your apathetic attitude is one of millions that could have spared six million of my people, along with countless others deemed "unfit for society". Your holier-than-thou attitude in allowing only G'd to judge mankind is why people are free to murder hundreds, thousands, or millions of innocent people. This very same attitude is what could have prevented countless wars or atrocities. And while I am sure G'd has some master plan in allowing these genocidal maniacs to wreak havoc, there is an old addage:

"Those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it" or something similar. I am prepared to learn from history and stand guard against those who perpetrate such acts. It is, in fact, my place to assist in judging those who would swear to their courses of action despite being wrong, so that we don't have another Hitler. Morality and decency as a human being dictate that we as men do not stand idly by while others suffer. Can you say the same, or does your religious scripture say something about turning a blind eye to evil?

Lexington- yes I am done. Thank you for putting me in my place. My apologies. Have a nice day.

[OneManArmy]

Oh wait- yeah your opinion means what to me? Ahhh what's that noise... crickets?


well hows about this baby?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976462574.htm

[Firefly]

That's very nice. VERY nice. H&K makes some quality weapons. Sometimes I get the urge to take one and drop it fifty times, slam it against something hard, bury it, immerse it in water... and see if it will break.

And you can't go wrong with .40, it's like waking up and finding a woman's lips wrapped around your pole. Ahhh...

[oddfish]

Okay children, since i can't seem to start a fucking thread without a small group of babies shooting their electronic mouths off at each other then perhaps we should all just shut the fuck up and swing this bitch back on topic. Put down your dictionaries, put away your thesauruses, and drop your FIREARMS UNLIMITED 5th EDITION.


This thread is intended to be about what guns you'd look good with in a massive movie-style gunfight. Throw accuracy and physics out the window because now that you're in this movie you're the ultimate killing machine, kay???????????? In other words, you could kill the enemy with a paper-clip and a rubber band if you wanted to, but, that wouldn't LOOK that cool, so, throw out the guns you think are the most beautiful and badass looking for your little film-style shootout.

Please, dont ruin this thread because you can't bear to be wrong. That's fucking sad.

Back on topic, check this fucking thing out. I'll take a bagfull, thankya.

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/mp7a1main.jpg

and these look pretty nice. H&K does a good job.

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/g36crt.jpg

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS????

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8_rightmed.jpg

it looks like a fucking squirt gun! hahaha :lol:

[JakeLogan]

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS????

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8_rightmed.jpg

it looks like a fucking squirt gun! hahaha :lol:

Thats the new XM8 prototypes they are working on. basically 1 base design 4 different guns so on so forth.
But anyway I'll stick by what I said with the Calico SMG and add on this FN P90

http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/smg/calico950.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg57-e.htm

[Firefly]

Put down your dictionaries, put away your thesauruses, and drop your FIREARMS UNLIMITED 5th EDITION.
I've yet to use a book.

I prefer big-bore hand cannons like the Freedom Arms Model 83 .454 Casull revolver series. I'm a big fan of something with a deep boom. They're five-shot because he made the rounds so big and nasty, that they would probably blow the chamber walls on a thin six-shot. And something about a ten-inch barrel in your face...
http://www.freedomarms.com/img/83fgas-10.gif

I mentioned before, the Wilson KZ45. It's a newer rework of the Colt .45 semiauto handgun. If you need to carry pistols, this is one you cannot do without.
http://www.1911forum.com/images/reviews/wilson_kz45.jpg

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS????

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8_rightmed.jpg
That's the H&K XM8. It came out of the OICW weapons system. Basically there was Land Warrior, then OICW, and now XM8. More or less.

Speaking of H&K:
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/ump9main.jpg

[oddfish]

Thats the new XM8 prototypes they are working on. basically 1 base design 4 different guns so on so forth.
But anyway I'll stick by what I said with the Calico SMG and add on this FN P90

http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm

http://world.guns.ru/smg/calico950.jpg

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg57-e.htm

instead of posting links, unless you want us to see data as well, but if you just want to post the pics then right click on the pics, click on properties, and copy the URL to the images box in the reply thingy on this site. i have no problem clicking on the links, but, i'm just saying this if you're not sure how to post certain pics. JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, it's just info for those who don't know. I'm not demanding this. don't get pissy.

[ViperGTS]

Oh...movie kind of thing...duel Desert eagles. Or for electrofreak...deagles...

[oddfish]

Oh...movie kind of thing...duel Desert eagles. Or for electrofreak...deagles...

yes.. movie kind of thing. cuz no one in the world can handle two Desert Eagles, but, that's the beauty of film. :D

[JakeLogan]

instead of posting links, unless you want us to see data as well, but if you just want to post the pics then right click on the pics, click on properties, and copy the URL to the images box in the reply thingy on this site. i have no problem clicking on the links, but, i'm just saying this if you're not sure how to post certain pics. JUST SO PEOPLE KNOW, it's just info for those who don't know. I'm not demanding this. don't get pissy.
OMGWTFBAN!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111





anyway, I know how to post the pics but its the site I use everytime I post the pics they just don't show up I did post the pics with my last post but they tend to disappear

[oddfish]

OMGWTFBAN!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111





anyway, I know how to post the pics but its the site I use everytime I post the pics they just don't show up I did post the pics with my last post but they tend to disappear

yeah, that happens.. shitty site.. :doh:

[Squeeky]

I'd take a Smith & Wesson .500 Magnum. for my right hip holster. And a .50 DE for my left hip holster.

For my thigh holsters, two Glock 20's.

Utility Belt (Extra Mags, 2 Fragmentation grenades, 1 flashbang, 1 smoke grenade, pornographic magazine, tissues)

Rifle: M4 SOPMOD, ACOG x4 Scope with M203 lower heat rail attachment. Harris bipod, tactical sling, flash/sound suppresor.

I'd also have a kevlar helmet/vest with kneepads (so i can shoot from my knee's you sicko's)

That would be my loadout.

BTW, ControlledBurn. I thought you lived in Vista?!?!? I didnt know you lived with martyr and blizzard. :o

[Seer]

In a movie, I wouldn't have a gun until I picked one up from someone that died. Even if there are a large selection of quality guns available from the corpses, I am forced to take the nearest one.

[Sputty]

Martyr's got a watergun that resembles a beamer imo.
That is a beamer

[oddfish]

That is a beamer

:D

[Firefly]

That is a beamer
Liar.

A watergun is more effective.

[oddfish]

Liar.

A watergun is more effective.

/agree..

let's not deviate from the topic now.

continue posting your John Woo style weaponry.

[Spee]

Twin Handguns? K.


http://www.poseidon.co.jp/2F/g-jackal/bj01.jpg
http://www.poseidon.co.jp/6F/alucard/g_ar01.jpg

:D

[oddfish]

Twin Handguns? K.


http://www.poseidon.co.jp/2F/g-jackal/bj01.jpg
http://www.poseidon.co.jp/6F/alucard/g_ar01.jpg

:D

those are just fucking cool.

[Spee]

They go well with my trenchcoat.

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/May/2004544813747932620160.jpg

Old pic. Since I grew/lost weight, looks better on me.

[Squeeky]

They go well with my trenchcoat.

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/May/2004544813747932620160.jpg

Old pic. Since I grew/lost weight, looks better on me.

I'm conacting the FBI as we speak. FUCKING TRENCH COAT MAFIA ****** :mad:

[oddfish]

I'm conacting the FBI as we speak. FUCKING TRENCH COAT MAFIA ****** :mad:

yeah, that shit drives me nuts. i'm in college and i still see freshmen wearing those things. i thought we were all over the whole Columbine thing, guess not. :rolleyes:

[Spee]

Its a raincoat. Christ.

[Squeeky]

Special Agent Rogers will be speaking with you shorlty.

[oddfish]

Special Agent Rogers will be speaking with you shorlty.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

relax, spee. i'm sure we're both kidding. ;)

[Electrofreak]

Meh. Deagle has stopping power but its heavy and unwieldy. I would probably carry a small 9mm pistol, a P90 (gotta love the compact design) and my nun-chukas (in case the enemy has a super-powerful magnet that yanks all the guns out of my hands :p ).

I'm no gun buff (only fired a shotgun and a pistol a few times before) so I probably wouldn't do to well, but I figure I could spray the P90 well enough to kill something. If I needed to be accurate I would probably carry a sniper rifle like the PSG1. I'm a former state champion in archery but uhm... yeah, a compound bow wouldn't quite give me the edge I would need in a gunfight.

I also have a pair of steel arm splints I would probably wear to prevent myself from gettin cut in half by you freaks with the swords. I'm a pretty skilled nun-chukas wielder (if I do say so myself) so I think I could hold my own in hand-to-hand (until someone stabs me with a katana :( ). I'd also have to wear my trenchcoat (which is WAY cooler than yours Spee :p). PH33R T3H ELECTROFREAK!
:lol:

edit- For any of you who think that people who wear trenchcoats are trying to emulate the kids from Columbine, get a friggin clue. I wore trenchcoats BEFORE that shit ever happened, and BEFORE the Matrix ever came out. I've always liked the style. Not my fault a bunch of insane psycho-kids decided to shoot up a school while wearing them.
:mad:

[oddfish]

fuck trench coats. gimme a wife-beater and a kevlar vest like 50 cent. WHAT! WHAT! G-UNIT!

kidding..

i want a snazzy pin-stripe suit in which to do my battling. Pin-stripe suits are hot. I'm not even gay and i'd be all over a hot guy in a pin-stripe suit. well, that may be pushing it.... maybe Hamma in a pin-stipe suit :brow:

[Electrofreak]

:huh:

[Firefly]

fuck trench coats. gimme a wife-beater and a kevlar vest like 50 cent. WHAT! WHAT! G-UNIT!

kidding..

i want a snazzy pin-stripe suit in which to do my battling. Pin-stripe suits are hot. I'm not even gay and i'd be all over a hot guy in a pin-stripe suit. well, that may be pushing it.... maybe Hamma in a pin-stipe suit :brow:
What was that about staying on-topic?

[oddfish]

essentially that's still on topic, buddy. this thread's about the kind of stuff you'd be carrying about in a John Woo flick. I never really barred equipment and outfits from the pool, just never made it specific to include them. The thread is essentially about about the weapons you'd have, but it can deviate a little. But, trying to turn this into a realism thread was very much veering off the beaten path.

Now, i'm sure you'll argue with me. :rolleyes:

ANYWAYS

What kind of shotguns would be appropriate for a John Woo style battle?

[JakeLogan]

I have a black leather trenchcoat. don't wear it much anymore unless it's raining outside. But just because some assholes decided to wear them while they shot up a school doesn't mean automatically anyone wearing one has a shotgun in their coat. if we followed that then everyone else who played doom is homocidal (SP). oh btw http://www.mavav.org/

[Squeeky]

I do my battle with nothing but a kevlar helmet/vest and kneepads on.

[oddfish]

I do my battle with nothing but a kevlar helmet/vest and kneepads on.

you don't feel awkward like that?

[Firefly]

Now, i'm sure you'll argue with me.
No, I'm not the one that argues lost points... I won't name names. Thanks for clarifying. I was trying to be funny, in a rare moment. Now I shall never use humor again, you've crushed me.

As far as shotguns for John Woo style... you simply cannot beat Mossberg in terms of badass-looking. They have a "Bullpup" and a "Cruiser" model.
http://www.csmetall-werkes.com/images/Moss%20bullpup.jpg
http://www.csmetall-werkes.com/images/Moss%20Cruiser%2012.jpg

You may wish to consider the new "M1014 Joint Service Combat Shotgun", aka Benelli M4 Super 90.
http://www.usmcweapons.com/articles/M1014/benelli_m4_1.jpg




JSCS info linkage (http://www.usmcweapons.com/articles/M1014/M1014NF.htm)

[Spee]

"M1014 Joint Service Combat Shotgun"




As opposed to a Happy Peace shotgun :p

[Fragmatic]

Hmm, for me, would be the following -

Assault Rifle -

Either a SA80/L85
http://world.guns.ru/assault/l85a2.jpg
Not the most reliable gun, but in terms of accuracy, thanks to the SUSAT sight, it pwns.

OR

A Fabrique Nationale F2000
http://world.guns.ru/assault/f2000_3.jpg
Just plain cool!

SMG -

Russian made Bizon SMG
http://world.guns.ru/smg/BIZON.JPG
Basically a mini AKxx with 60 round clips

Pistol -

Either a Walther P99 (in .40SW)
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/walther_p99.jpg
Good all round pistol

South African Vector CP1
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/vector_cp1.jpg
Just damn cool looking!

Shotgun -

South African Striker shotgun
http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/STRIKER.JPG
Just uber auto ownage.

Sniper Rifles -

Accuracy International AW-50 (Or OMG AWP WHORE!!!!)
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/ai-aw50.jpg
Ok, so it's .50BMG rifle, not really a sniper rifle, more towards "anti material", but guaranteed, if you had one of those rounds lodged in your head, you'd be down instantly.

Machine Gun -

CIS .50 M
http://world.guns.ru/machine/cis50mg1.jpg
.50 cal pain, at 400-600RPM.

Meelee -
A Mace

Ok, so that concludes the "If Frag was gonna kill you, what would he use?" list. Questions? Comments? Retarded argumentative remarks on how all of those guns are shite, but look damn cool? No? Good!

[BDMJ]

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/Spas12.jpg


http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/jackhammer.jpg

Jackhammer!

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/hs10b-l.jpg

This site has many good images.

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/SH26-E.HTM

Edit: for some reason the two top images got cut.

[oddfish]

http://www.usmcweapons.com/articles/M1014/benelli_m4_1.jpg

that there is just cool

[Firefly]

Don't forget the Pancor Jackhammer, it's a shotgun as well.

http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/P3.jpg
http://fervalaka.free.fr/Images/Armes/Armes03/Jackhammer.jpg

[Fragmatic]

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/jackhammer.jpg

Jackhammer!


Don't forget the Pancor Jackhammer, it's a shotgun as well.

http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/P3.jpg
http://fervalaka.free.fr/Images/Armes/Armes03/Jackhammer.jpg

RE FUCKING POST.

[Firefly]

RE FUCKING POST.
No it's not. He posted an entirely different weapons system. Look at the fucking picture before you attempt to act like a flamer.

[BDMJ]

I had an SPAS-12 and a jackhammer in there, but the images stopped displaying =/

[JakeLogan]

I had an SPAS-12 and a jackhammer in there, but the images stopped displaying =/
It's the site It does the same thing to me.

[ControlledBurn]

BTW, ControlledBurn. I thought you lived in Vista?!?!? I didnt know you lived with martyr and blizzard. :o

No, no, and for the record, I used to live in Oceanside, not Vista. Long story short, I went to Vista High for two years, then my dad retired from the Corps, we moved to Washington State, I finished High School there. I'm attending Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, FL. Met Martyr through the Echo-Romeo community, met Bliz in my Private Pilot License Ground Lab, and am now living with Bliz, his girlie (well she moves down in August) and Martyr's old roommate. Martyr and Triggar are in the process of getting their own apartment in the same complex, so I guess technically I live with them, although in the time since I've been here, they've been away the whole time :-D

I've still got plenty of ties to Oceanside/Vista, in fact, I was just there this past January to see my little brother before he deployed to Iraq and visit a few other friends in the area. I'm hoping and planning to be back in the San Diego area semi-permanently in about 36 months, stationed at Miramar if I get what I want.

[Fragmatic]

No it's not. He posted an entirely different weapons system. Look at the fucking picture before you attempt to act like a flamer.

They're both jackhammers.

[Squeeky]

Sweet dude. Next time you visit North County hit me up and we will hang out. What a small world :lol:.

[Everay]

well, since everyone is showing what theyd take in, ill have to as well.

Besides the BFG9000, ill take this

P90

http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/pc/ranking/gunimage/p90.jpg

some red smoke grenades

http://www.less-lethal.com/prodimage/Red%20Smoke%20Cloud.jpg

and one Kevlar Vest

http://armynavysuperstores.com/wpe1.jpg


actualy, thats the same loadout i use in soldnier.

[Firefly]

HAHA Kevlar vests are worthless, for both "styling John Woo style" and also in real life.

If you want something that affordss real protection, get some Ranger Body Armor. Kevlar is for amateurs that don't know any better (and military guys forced to wear it)

[Everay]

no wonder i always die in soldnier...

[Fragmatic]

no wonder i always die in soldnier...

If you don't want to do the "�", then it's Soeldner.

(Sorry, I can't help it :p)

[dscytherulez]

They're both jackhammers.

Actually only the one firefly posted was a jackhammer, the other was a High Standard.

[Everay]

If you don't want to do the "�", then it's Soeldner.

(Sorry, I can't help it :p)


you english bastard you! you and your multi culteral eroupe! damn you! :p

[Fragmatic]

Actually only the one firefly posted was a jackhammer, the other was a High Standard.

Look the same to me.

[Veteran]

This thread sucks.

[Navaron]

HAHA Kevlar vests are worthless, for both "styling John Woo style" and also in real life.

If you want something that affordss real protection, get some Ranger Body Armor. Kevlar is for amateurs that don't know any better (and military guys forced to wear it)


Splain lucy, splain.

[Zodiac]

HAHA Kevlar vests are worthless, for both "styling John Woo style" and also in real life.

If you want something that affordss real protection, get some Ranger Body Armor. Kevlar is for amateurs that don't know any better (and military guys forced to wear it)You can't be serious...

oh and I agree with Veteran, this thread's rape ruined it far beyond the point of recovery.

[OneManArmy]

http://www.hkpro.com/video/MP5K_case.mov

there ya go. ill take 2

[Dharkbayne]

Splain lucy, splain.

speel mutch?

[Firefly]

Splain lucy, splain.
All right.
You can't be serious...
I am serious. Deadly serious.

The kevlar "flak" vest that someone hotlinked is an utter piece of shit. Yeah in a firefight you might be tempted to wear it since every little bit helps. Yeah in a firefight your platoon leader and his wet shiny butter bar might say "SOLDIER GET THAT GODDAMN KAVALAR ON!" since none of them can pronounce it properly. It's not body armor, it's protection from flying metal fragments and shards and debris. It won't stop a knife thrust, it might stop a .22. That's all you get.

Bottom line- it's bulky and it's worthless. It is designed to stop SHRAPNEL. IE, hot flying metal shards. And let's face it- do you really want to stop them from hitting your chest when your face is gonna get fucked up? Not really. Furthermore, the Kevlar is reportedly good for stopping light (60mmm) mortar rounds from 25 meters and beyond.

KEVLAR IS NOT BODY ARMOR. Now, you can modify it into IBAS and slap some metal plates on there and yeah- you would be relatively safe from small arms fire at short to long range (point blank, maybe...). But you're talking about taking a hot, stuffy, bulky system of weaving and adding steel plates to it. So the odds of you running around doing flips and shit are pretty weak.

If you want good, decent body armor, look at the stuff SWAT uses.

[Setari]

All right.

I am serious. Deadly serious.

The kevlar "flak" vest that someone hotlinked is an utter piece of shit. Yeah in a firefight you might be tempted to wear it since every little bit helps. Yeah in a firefight your platoon leader and his wet shiny butter bar might say "SOLDIER GET THAT GODDAMN KAVALAR ON!" since none of them can pronounce it properly.

Bottom line- it's bulky and it's worthless. It is designed to stop SHRAPNEL. IE, hot flying metal shards. And let's face it- do you really want to stop them from hitting your chest when your face is gonna get fucked up? Not really. Furthermore, the Kevlar is reportedly good for stopping light (60mmm) mortar rounds from 25 meters and beyond.

KEVLAR IS NOT BODY ARMOR. Now, you can modify it into IBAS and slap some metal plates on there and yeah- you would be relatively safe from small arms fire at short to long range (point blank, maybe...). But you're talking about taking a hot, stuffy, bulky system of weaving and adding steel plates to it. So the odds of you running around doing flips and shit are pretty weak.

If you want good, decent body armor, look at the stuff SWAT uses.
well said, that i can definitely agree with.

[Lexington_Steele]

it might stop a .22. That's all you get.

After doing some more reading I found that a Kevlar vest should be able to stop a .38 from 10 feet.

In addition, Kevlar vest are usually made with pockets for ceramic plates designed to stop high velocity bullets from assault rifles.

It sounds like kevlar vests are not as bad as you make them out to be.

[CptMoriar]

Not gonna read 14 pages of stuff but I guess I would carry duel Sig Sauer P226 9mm pistols

http://www.noda-ya.com/sinseihin/3sin0616/p226.jpg

Oh and why? The SAS has them as the standard sidearm, and the SAS owns all.

[Derfud]

Ditto

For myself I would choose akimbo Five-Sevens, and any variant of the XM-8 assault rifle.

Five-Seven:
http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/firearms/pistol/img/fiveseven2.jpg

XM-8: (Variants)
http://www.sd36.bc.ca/earlma/planning10/websites/Cam/XM8.jpg

[SDM]

An S&W 500 Magnum in each hand would work for me.

http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/170231_large.jpg

[Sputty]

SDM, that gun need to be made into a rifle
A pistol stops being useful when it needs a strap.

[OneManArmy]

Not gonna read 14 pages of stuff but I guess I would carry duel Sig Sauer P226 9mm pistols

http://www.noda-ya.com/sinseihin/3sin0616/p226.jpg

Oh and why? The SAS has them as the standard sidearm, and the SAS owns all.


damn that two tone is sexy :brow: I love two tone guns...

[Dharkbayne]

But the real question is, What the fuck does "Splain, lucy, splain" mean, or was Navarone just delirious/drunk?

[Lexington_Steele]

But the real question is, What the fuck does "Splain, lucy, splain" mean, or was Navarone just delirious/drunk?
It is a reference to the television show "I Love Lucy." The Character Lucy was always getting into some kind of hijinks and found herself in some kind of mess. Her husband Ricky Ricardo Spoke with a heavy spanish accent and when He would ask her to explain the mess, it would come out as 'Splain.' So "Lucy, Splain" was a line that was in almost every episode.

By being unfarmilliar with this reference, you are showing your age. :p (and mine and navs too)

[OneManArmy]

oh come on even you can turn on nick at nite or TV land or whatever the heck its called now and watch some great shows.

shame on you for not getting an I love lucy reference

[Dharkbayne]

I used to watch N@N all the time, when it was on at like, 4 PM, but now it comes on at like, 3 AM, and all they show is the cosby show for like, the first 8 hours. I would watch Happy Days all the time.

Heeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[Sputty]

N@N was all I watched when ever I went with my family on vacation.

[SDM]

SDM, that gun need to be made into a rifle
A pistol stops being useful when it needs a strap.
Useful!? WTF I thought we were talking about John Woo.

If useful is what we're looking for, I'll definately go with a Swiss Army knife, Sputty's naked body, and rollerskates.

[Sputty]

Useful!? WTF I thought we were talking about John Woo.

If useful is what we're looking for, I'll definately go with a Swiss Army knife, Sputty's naked body, and rollerskates.
Roller skates can't support my body

[Queensidecastle]

Oh, thats easy:

Shinken by Hidemune (http://www.swordstore.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/009247.15.039439260514583481?)

http://www.swordstore.com/dylist/jshin11-pics/21-73625-2.jpg
http://www.swordstore.com/dylist/jshin11-pics/21-73625-3.jpg
http://www.swordstore.com/dylist/jshin11-pics/21-73625-4.jpg
http://www.swordstore.com/dylist/jshin11-pics/21-73625-5.jpg

[Lexington_Steele]

Hattori Hanzo Steel > you. :p

[OneManArmy]

and Musashi Cardboard > you (http://www.penny-arcade.com/docs/withtube.jpg)

[Lexington_Steele]

and Musashi Cardboard > you (http://www.penny-arcade.com/docs/withtube.jpg)
Don't sleep on the carboard Samurai. ;)

[Dharkbayne]

rofl, a few minutes ago, I was running around beating people with that cardboard sword in HMC