My New System Final Specs

[Biohazzard56]

Ok I revised this thread and made a new one so here are the new links:

AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (Not Available, Socket 939)
nForce 3 250 (Not Available, Socket 939)
1 Gig of PC3200 DDR 400 RAM (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-440&depa=1)
Black X-Gamer Tower Case w/ 450W PSU (http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/cas-174.html?mv_pc=343)
120 GB 8MB Cache Samsung HardDrive (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=22-152-017&depa=1)
Radeon 9600XT (Already Have)

I have a few more questions, specifically about the case. How many fans would I need (check the case page), and what is "sleeve the power supply". Thanks for your help:

Current Budget: $720

[Vitter]

Go with this hard drive instead:

Seagate 120GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-017&depa=1)
Seagate 120GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-022&depa=1)

Same capacity, faster seek time, and it's Seagate (awesome reliability). I have the SATA one in my PC and will soon be getting another for a RAID array, i am that happy with it. Price is like 2-3 dollars more or less expencive depending on whether you want the SATA or IDE.

The RAM you selected is ok, i guess. I don't like the 2.5 timing, and I shudder to think what the other timings are. For $50 more you can get this:

OCZ Enhanced Latency Series Dual Channel Kits 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200 (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-883&depa=1)

Timings of 2-3-2-6 which is fuking sweet. OCZ is very affordable for the quality you get, especially compared to Corsair or Corsair XMS. Go to your MB's website and check compatability. OCZ is compatable with almost everything. Very rarely does a MB manufacturer say they are compatable with Corsair (i don't think Asus has ANY MB's compatable with Corsair), it's a gamble buying it.

Just so you know, I have the DDR500 PC4000 of that same stuff. Gaming with it is as close to godlike as you can get. One of my best purchases - buying from OCZ.


The video card you've got is ok. I like ATI alot. Depending on your financial situation I would suggest either upgrading to a 128mb Radeon 9800 Pro (perhaps from Saphire, i hear their good). Or waiting for the new stuff from ATI and Nvidia to drop in price, considering they are a HUGE jump in technology.

[Vitter]

I just checked the case. I urge caution before buying it. I noticed the acrylic window has a fan in the middle. That's a big no-no for most people, as fans (unless they are extremely underpowered [ie: useless]) located there tend to rattle the acrylic window.

[Biohazzard56]

I need a good case, link?

[Vitter]

So far my favorite case has to be this one:

ANTEC Black Performance Series II SOHO File Server Tower ATX Case with 400W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-120&depa=1)

It's fucking STEEL baby! Aint a damn thing going to hurt that. Plus, it's Antec, which means it's an Antec power source. Antec makes the BEST power sources, hands down.

It's also very very cool for the following reasons:


Quick release drive bays with release lever
Lockable swing out side panel with a handle
Cooling capacity: up to 5 x 80mm fans
Front mounted USB & IEEE1394 (FireWire) ports
Washable Air filter on the front
SmartPower - runs cooler and quieter.


[EDIT] If you want one with an acrylic window I highly reccomend Cheiftec. You can see their silver version here:

CHIEFTEC Silver Server Chasis Workstation Tower with Side Panel Window (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-125-264&depa=1)

Note, Cheiftec doesnt come with a power source. Solution? Get one of these:

Antec 430W Power Supply (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-908&depa=1)

[Electrofreak]

I just checked the case. I urge caution before buying it. I noticed the acrylic window has a fan in the middle. That's a big no-no for most people, as fans (unless they are extremely underpowered [ie: useless]) located there tend to rattle the acrylic window.My nicely high-power 80mm fan in my acrylic window doesnt rattle it in the least. :p

Prolly cause I spent $150 on my case tho.

Also, I have Kingston HyperX PC3500 with better stock timings than that OCZ PC3200. Personally, Kingston is my first choice in RAM. Also, with an AMD CPU, you want to try to go for better timings over higher mem clock speed, because it makes more of a difference than it does with Intel. Thus, my PC3500 will actually perform better than PC4000 in my AMD system because of its timings. (Don't hold me to this however, I haven't run any benchmarks to prove it.)

Other than those slight disagreements, I have to agree with him on the Seagate drive. They fricking own (I've had Seagates for like 5+ years now, never had a single problem with any of them).

Vitter DID pic a good ANTEC case (and yes, ANTECS are nice cases, I have one for a system I'm building for my brother.) They have good cooling and yes, nice power supplies. However, I prefer Aluminum towers over steel whenever possible, as Aluminum is better for heat dissapation (not that it makes a huge difference) and are lighter. Also, personally, I'd go for something flashier. :p Hey thats just me tho, that case will work pretty damn well.

[Vitter]

I have Kingston HyperX PC3500 with better stock timings than that OCZ PC3200. Personally, Kingston is my first choice in RAM.

Oh really? Well according to Kingston's own website the only HyperX PC3500 DDRAM they have has timings of 2-3-3-7 T1. My OCZ has timings of 2-3-2-6 T1. In case you didn't know - lower numbers are better.

Kingston does have PC3200 RAM that has identical timings as OCZ. However, it is more expencive. Twenty dollars more expencive.

Furthermore, a gig of that PC3500 Kingston goes for $300. I got a gig of OCZ DDR500 PC4000 for just $10 more than that.

So feel free to pick any category (aside from which starts with a K) - OCZ is superior.

My nicely high-power 80mm fan in my acrylic window doesnt rattle it in the least. :p

Prolly cause I spent $150 on my case tho.

I would imagine if you spent $150 that it wouldn't rattle. Same as I would imagine spending 3k on an Alienware would get you a PC that can play games well.

Only a certain demographic gets alienware PC's. Same with getting $150 cases. For under $100 he can get an excellent Cheiftec case (i pictured it) with an acrylic window and all the features i noted above. That $100 also includes a 430W Antec power supply.

I hardly think $50 is worth spending to get a fan put on the window. Especially when the case has 4x80mm slots already.

Oh, and Alluminum is ok. However, it scratches easily. I tend to keep my PC in one spot and would rather have it be 1-2 degrees celcius warmer than have it all dinged up from everyday use (shoes, kittens, etc).

[Rbstr]

The only thign i would say is Alluminum is Much etter thatn steel, its lighter, and has better heat dissipation, and there is no real noticable difference in strength.

Also Full towers and server cases acctualy don't offer all that great of ventilation, they get hotspots and things, go for a nice midtower, like a lanboy 2(but buy two higher CFM fans the ones they have are very quiet but don't move much air)

Personaly i think that case will be just fine, it looks cool to

[Electrofreak]

Heh. Well my bad VItter, those timings are my RAM when its run at PC3200. (same as OCZ's PC3200.) I'm no longer running it at PC3500 speeds due to overheat issues because of my lousy heatsink. And yes I know lower numbers are better, I'm a sophomore computer science major in college. :rolleyes:
Also, as I said, timings are more important in an AMD system, and PC4000 RAM is kind of pointless because its very difficult to run it 1:1 with your CPU (which yields the best results). Thats why it is better to get PC3500 or something similar, because you can get it to run 1:1 with your CPU without having the shitty timings of PC4000. Also, dunno if you know, but OCZ has a HISTORY that is very splotchy. They have been caught in the past making some very questionable business practices... most comp builders don't take ethics into account, but it IS something to note. Also, Kingston has some of the most stable gaming RAM you can get... so thats why I go with them (my nForce 3 150 is picky about RAM). If you swear by OCZ, fine, but I am more than happy with my Kingston.

As for my case, I'm not a moron, I've been building computers for years. I know what is the best value and so on and so forth. I bought my case for $150 because I wanted a full-tower server rackmount with a temperature LCD display, 500w PSU and side window. I am aware of the fact that I could get a tower that is just as FUNCTIONAL for $50 less. But that doesn't mean I spent $50 just on a side window fan, I liked a lot of the other features of the case. Besides, a side fan is nice to have blowing on my 9800 PRO, and I like to have the window so I can peek inside my baby :) It all depends on your needs, and what you think is worth it. Some people (like you apparently) don't think the extra $50 is worth it. However, I do.

As for aluminum scratching? I have my case on the floor near my feet, and it doesn't have a single scratch. I mean if you are putting it in the middle of your floor and have a habit of running around in steel-toe boots, or doing construction work in the vicinity of it, by all means, get a steel case, but for the typical sock-clad gamer, aluminum works fine ;)

Rbstr man, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the full-tower server thing too... I've seen several articles that show that these big server towers can be quite awesome for cooling (and thats why I picked my case). If you have some articles that indicate otherwise, send me some links, I'd be interested to read 'em. I've always been of the impression that the smaller cases give the heat less room to dissipate, and can be worse for cooling...

[Biohazzard56]

Whats a good case for this System? Im trying to stay under 100 for the case with good cooling and fans included.

[Daleon]

Lol, good argument! This is why forums are so much fun.

Ok just to get the case discussion over. Bio check this case:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-156-135&depa=0

Its got a 420 watt power supply and looks about the same as the original case you looked at. For $52 you can't beat it, period. Plus its from newegg, so you can combine some shipping and save more. Reviews on it are solid, ps looks to hold up decently, just don't put in any GF6 boards in it.

Corsair XMS PC3500C2 platinum I have does 2-2-2-5 1T at up to 225 mhz and memtest86 stable.

As for you Bio, there is always something better if your willing to spend more. What you need to decide is what is your HARD cap on spending on ram. Thats where getting a good case/ps for something like $52 helps out. Allows you to funnel that extra money into better ram, cpu, video, etc. What you picked out for $200 there is nothing wrong with it at all. For $50 you can get better, for $50 you can even better, and never stops.

[Vitter]

I have to agree with Electro on the full tower cases Rbstr. The only "hotspot" i've ever heard of from a full tower case comes is at the very top of the case behind the power supply. Everywhere else gets excellent cooling, especially if you have a side fan (as electro stated) to blow on your MB slots.

The Antec case that both Electro and I suggested has FIVE fan slots. You've got 2 fans blowing air in the bottom front, 2 blowing out in the back, and 1 blowing in on the side.

That not enough air for you? Then you can do as I did and get a Thermalright copper heatsink with a 120mm Vantec "Tornado" fan (better get a fan controller) with, of course, Artic Silver 5. That puppy is guaranteed to move ALL the air you will EVER want to move.

The result? I have a steel full tower case with an overclocked 2.8 GHz P4C that is now running at 1000 FSB (which is 1:1 with my OCZ DDR500 PC4000 [thank you very much Electro]) with a 256mb Radeon 9800 Pro. All of that, and guess what? It has NEVER gotten over 35c, even when i'm running CnC Generals and Star Wars Galaxies at the SAME TIME.

So yeah, poo on your stupid alluminum. Poo all over it! :D

[EDIT] And if you really hate that "hotspot" behind the PSU, feel free to devel a hole in and add a 80mm fan to whisk it away ;)

Electro, i was being stupid about the case. I apologize. I have to put up with my brother in law wanting to spend 150-200 bucks on a case with diodes and windows and god knows what else for his "gaming machine" when he's got a fuking 1.8GHz processor and a GeForce 3. I won't even get into the memory. It's a knee jerk reaction now to bash any case I see over $100 (after PS added).

If the extra $50 was really for stuff like cable sleeves, fan controller, etc - then right on man, that's money well spent. I just can't stand paying tons for a case with a "pimped out" lighting system.

As for the memory companies, i still stick with OCZ being the best i've EVER had the joy of working with. I'll look up their (as you put it) "splotchy" business decisions, but I doubt i'll find anything that will make me want to give up a company which is providing me with the BEST memory chips at LOWER prices than it's competitors.

[Vitter]

As for getting a fan controller with a temperature monitor... pffft.

Do a good job in building your PC and putting in an adequate cooling system and you won't need it once. Simply get Mother Board Monitor and have it display the temperature of your system. It will measure the case, CPU, and an extra sensor if you have one.

The only thing I will ever suggest getting is a $20 fan controller. The Vantex "Nexus" controller is perfect. See it here: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-999-502&depa=1

[Electrofreak]

Hey, I'm a sucker for flashy stuff :p

But yeah, I also wanted the temp sensor diodes just to play around with, and I like the fan controllers and whatnot, not to mention it included a 500w PSU which wasn't an ANTEC (which are the best as you stated) but still is pretty nice. As you can see in my sig, I have some pretty nice gear in my system and I love to be able to peer inside every now and then and gaze upon the beautiful machinery within... (ok YES Im a dork lol...). I hear ya on the case thing though... I know people who have also made it their priority to get a pimpin case when their components are severely lacking.

Yeah that window is REAL nice to show off your Pentium 3... :rolleyes:
Damn noobs.

Having a case with a blowhole fan is also nice to deal with that hotspot up near the PSU, though, its not really that big of an issue because most components up there aren't too heat-sensitive.

Right now, I'm building a system for my bro out of a 2.4 Celeron and 512 meg PC3200 which will soon be acquiring from Rbstr :D as well as a 9600 PRO. Not exactly the most pimping system, but I cannot afford to spend piles of money on the kid. This is really kinda a b-day present for him, and all I've had to do is spend $170 on it because other than the 2 items I'm getting from Rbstr (which is really a trade, I bought him a 2.8 P4, hes giving me the memory and celeron, as well as a couple case fans). I'm throwing it into a nice ANTEC case (they really do make great cases for cooling, not the best lookers but great for functionality).

Currently the poor kid is trying to game on a 1.3 Ghz P4 with 126 mb RDRAM and a Radeon 7000. :rolleyes: At least now he will be able to play PlanetSide and other games somewhat decently!

Edit-Vitter, I think you misunderstand, my case has a backlit LCD readout on the front of the case, which is connected to 2 temp diodes u can put wherever. I have one under the heatsink of my GPU, and one stuck onto my CPU heatsink right up next to the die (but not between the CPU and heatsink!). Its kinda cool, I mean I have to mentally add a few degrees to estimate the correct temperature (I usually add 10 C to what my CPU heatsink reads, because thats approximately what the temperature difference is between it and the die) and I usually add like 5 C to my GPU heatsink temp) its really just there for that "safe feeling" it gives me. I do a lot of OCing and benchmarking and messing around so it's nice to have my approximate CPU temperature available "at-a-glance" (43 C... +10 = about 53 C... ok, I'm not in the redzone yet... MORE VOLTAGE! :P).

Also the case has 3 built-in fan speed controllers, which I usually leave cranked all the way up when I'm gaming (I usually play with headphones on so noise isn't an issue). When I'm just internet browsing I usually crank them down. I have one controller knob set to my "vertical airflow" (Side and blowhole fan speeds), one to my "horizontal airflow" (front and back fan speeds) and one knob controls the speed of my PSU fan.
Love having the level of control it provides me. Its also nice because in the winter my father is a bit stingy on heating, so the house is like 55 degrees F (frickin cold!). That time of year I can usually game just fine with my fans down all the way lol, (granted, I'm usually wearing about 4 sweaters myself). Towards summer though (again, my father says that AC hurts our power bill :rolleyes: ) so I have to crank those fans all the way up, and even drop my OC a little bit. This is why I'm really dying to get a nice new heatsink... ::looks longingly at the Thermaltake PIPE-101:: :(

^Wow... long post... kudos to anyone who actually reads all of it :lol:
Its so sad... I could talk computers all day...

[Biohazzard56]

Will that case the delion posted work?

I need links for case, and fan contollers.

[Rbstr]

I have a case made by the same people, I generaly like it i made a few modifications however like afront intake fan Duckt and a New 500w PSU. But people tend to say they like that one alot, its based of the Cheming 601 like alot of the cases out there(including alot of antecs, like the SOHO case a while back, and thermaltakes).

This here is may dream case, http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/cas-112.html
the 301 is the 601 only in mid tower, pleanty of fans(3x 80mm, and one 120mm) and a nice window.

[Vitter]

Wow, and it even comes with a nightlight if your afraid of the dark.

:rolleyes:

[Electrofreak]

Wow, and it even comes with a nightlight if your afraid of the dark.

:rolleyes:
:lol: Vitter and his "glow hate". Thats a nice case, though, and TWO side fans :eek: coolness... literally...

Btw that case doesnt come with fans, so if you want to pull a Vitter and avoid the glow you could get boring old REGULAR 80mm fans I guess :p

[Biohazzard56]

Cheap Case, like along the lines of the first one I linked to. One that will stay cool and has a PSU pre-installed.

[Vitter]

I just don't see the point.

Why not put LED's on your chair? Or maybe your pen holder? Oooooh.. i know! Let's put LED's on the MOUSEPAD! Then i'll be REALLY l33t. Right? Right?

Cmon.. what the fuck is the point in putting a window and lights on your CPU? Is it a fishtank? Maybe you think the memory chips have it out for the video card and you need a window to make sure they don't get scrappin while your gaming?

And if you do put all that shit on your CPU, you have to keep it on your desk to justify spending the money so you can look at it. Who has room for that? My desk space is valuable. The kittens would have a fit if I put some hulking glowing box on their sitting space.

[EDIT] Oh, and who the hell is impressed with lights? Oooh.. im so impressed yours glows. My system can run a half dozen Star Wars Galaxies at the same time.. but i guess it's inferior because it doesn't glow!

That's like trying to impress a friend with your new car by putting a faget liberal bumper sticker on it.

[EDIT2] This sounds suspiciously like something off of Madox's website... only without the pirates and dropkicking of old ladies. I'm sure Madox would agree with me that LED's are for sissys.

[Ait'al]

You already can buy leds on a mouse pad?!?

BTW bio. dont get that low of a pwer supply for heavy lighting with good components in your case. I used my whole 500W with my normal computer and a tiny 1inch by 1/2 inch laser kit and a dual cold cathoid kit. Made my computer turn off when i switched it on. get like 550 or 600 watt for lighting.

You can find that case at frozencpu or xoxide or newegg or something without a power supply. someone always has a medium to major case manufactures case with some varied options.

Edit: my pretty psu cant support all my stuff. :tear:

And if you want some exterior lighting thats really cool check out frozencpu.com s external lighting stuff. especially the meteor lights for moniters and for above a keyboard. They may become extremely desirable for heavy night use, especially if you think your computer willl help light up your room at night(which it probly wont as much as you would expect if your counting on it to at alll.). Im getting one eventually, now that i have to put my comp on the floor because of the size of my case. Or else i would ahve had some more lighting. Id still consider if you want the case on your desk or have a setup where it may helps light the area(it probly wont be as much as youd like if your thinking about it). And if your getting UV lights at all, they wont light up the area, they will however put extreme emphasis on any uv reactive stuff in your case or in the close proximity, and look alot better than you might think(makes the uv reactive plastics look very pleasent to look at in your case actually.).

And Vitter the lightings arent that prominent. They have a more suttle look to them no matter how you install them. But they are pleasent to look at. Even if the case is on the floor. pictures you see of stuff in stores for the stuff just overemphasize them by getting really close and making them look stronger.

Edit: and if anyone didnt answer this, the sleeve is eitehr the mesh stuff that you can put around it or the stretchy plasctic you can put around the cables to make them color coordinated. Its the option for their supply of sleeving stuff in the sleeving selection.

[Vitter]

Why would I care whether the lighting is subtle or not?

I care about how my PC performs, how well it's cooled, and how well it's protected.

If I want a visual cue of how cool my PC is, i'll play any game in the world on maximum settings, then run 3 more games in the background.

The only thing I want glowing is my monitor. Who the hell wants to be playing BF1942 with a fuking mini trance club going off right next to you?

[Rbstr]

Yeah well some of us like having something that looks cool siting there in our rooms, and At Lanparties its cool. Its a fucking opinion of weather or not you want lights or windows or something, though a window can be hlepfull for locating say a wire that is banding in a fan, or seeing if you need to dust the cooling bits. Me and Electro personlaly like somethinge with a bit more of a cool look, it not a fucking trance club its just some LED's to show off the inside of a cool looking case, becasue i think the parts i have look cool and i can admire some of the engineering that it took to get them. and it not like the fans i have cost me any more thant normal ones or else why would i have bothered.

No more flames or the thread will be locked Done wiht the petty arguing. More helping Bio with his decision.

Now On to important stuff, Ait if your PSU couldn't support that stuff you ned to RMA it or something, 500watts are more than enough for any system(including something running a Prescott and a Nv40/raptor array), except Big file servers with lots of Hd's or big 4x CPU workstations.

Well bio i would go for that Raidmax Case most peopel liek it and it has a psu thats pleanty.

[Biohazzard56]

Yea, I dont care about flashyness. I just want a good cheap case that FOR A FACT will work and stay cool.

[Electrofreak]

::Points at his sig:: My comp owns, thats why I want to showcase it. Also, I love the color blue, and having my case glow blue in a dark room while I'm playing is pretty neat (IMHO). I spent a lot of hard-earned money on my gear, so I like it to look good.

I guess I can understand not liking the flashy stuff I guess... its all about personal preference.

[Rbstr]

no more of the flshy/nonflshy case stuff electro...

one of these three Bio http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/scan/se=Modified%20Cases/se=Scorpio/mp=menu_search.html
nice case plus a 420w PSU a little flshy but nice

[Biohazzard56]

Will that case keep me cool, Rob Electro?

What about the side intake fan someone said it was a no no.

[Rbstr]

It will be fine your new system won't be very hot at all the A64 is a nice cool CPU

[HunterKiller]

i like flashy stuff.

[Biohazzard56]

Alright, how about this CD RW/DVD Combo Drive? And Problems with Combo Drives?

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=27-151-042&depa=1

As of Now: 495 Dollars left for the CPU Mobo.

[Rbstr]

looks good to me, 495 - 150 for mobo, and 300 for CPU, that perfect

[Daleon]

I'd spend the extra $29 to get the NEC 2500A dvd burner or little more on a lite-on 812. A firmware just came out that updates the 2500A to a 2510A that supports dual layer dvd burning. The disks will be out soon, so thats 8+ gigs on a disk. Not to shabby.

[Biohazzard56]

But how do you know how much the Processor is?

[Rbstr]

well 300 dollars is normaly the price of a very nice CPU at release

[Daleon]

I can promise you a top of the line model AMD64 processor will cost quite a bit more than $300 at first release. If they release 3 chips for 939 initially, say around 3200, 3400, and 3600. The high end will prolly be $450 or more. The 3400 will prolly be around $325 or so with the 3200 in the $200 range.

This won't come down significantly until faster chips are released. And with AMD's rather slow mhz ramp up lately I wouldn't expect faster chips till Q4 prolly.

But a mid-range will do just fine to.

[Rbstr]

That what i mean the 3500+ will be very nice, and it won't be much more than 300

[Biohazzard56]

I did a little more reasearch the Socket 939 3500+ is a little faster than 3400+ (Pretty Much Common Sense due to AMD's Naming Policy). Its going to be nice.

[Rbstr]

yeah it will i envy

[Biohazzard56]

Ok case Battle, here are the two cases im considering.

http://www.frozencpu.com/cgi-bin/frozencpu/cas-145.html?id=7WoU2sgI

or

http://www.antec-inc.com/Detail.bok?searchpath=7f000001fc9f920b46c0&category=Enclosures&start=9&total=21&no=280

Im going for cooling and price, and I still have to buy fans for these.

[Rbstr]

I'd go with the scorpio

[Biohazzard56]

I thought the Fan in the Middle was a no no.

[Rbstr]

nah

[Electrofreak]

Despite what Vitter says, I'd go with the Scorpio just so you can show off your ass-kickin system. Though, for functionality you can't beat Antec.

[Daleon]

The side fan is fine. Isn't the scropio pretty much the same as the raidmaxx but $21 more expensive?

Also found that case for $10 cheaper here:
Scorpio Case (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=100520&Category_Code=C1-Misc)

Side rails are defintely a nice thing to have. Removable motherboard tray would also be a nice touch. But if you can live without conviences as they only matter every once in a while, get the cheaper deal.

If anyone is a hardcore asus fan and wants a unique case, check it:
Asus Case (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=100456&Category_Code=C1-Misc)

[Rbstr]

Yeah i saw that ASUS had a Sweet Athlon 64 system running in it at a bunch of lan parties to show off thier Mobos

[Biohazzard56]

The side fan is fine. Isn't the scropio pretty much the same as the raidmaxx but $21 more expensive?

Also found that case for $10 cheaper here:
Scorpio Case (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=100520&Category_Code=C1-Misc)


Does that case come with Fans?

[Vitter]

Yeah, i agree w Electro. Screw Antec performance. Go with the window/sidefan so you can invite 15 year olds over and impress them with the pretty window/lights.

[Rbstr]

he is 15 years old, so those are his friends. the Scorpio is very nice performing anyway.

[Vitter]

Well, if he ever decides to grow up and realize where performance lies (inside the case) and where you can stuff "what your friends think", then here's my suggestions:

All these cases have slots for 5 fans, are heavy duty, and are made by Antec so they have the BEST power sources available.

Silver w/ 430W (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-115&depa=1)
Black w/ 400W (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-120&depa=1)

And, if you MUST get a window (so you can make sure your parts haven't changed color):
Silver w/ window & no PSU (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=11-129-124&depa=1)

[Biohazzard56]

Whats wrong with a nice case, im not going to mod and trick it out all I want is a window and a light on the inside. It makes it look nice IMO

[Biohazzard56]

Update - I got one of my friends who has been working on PCs for 8 Years and he agrees with alot of the things in this forum except for the cases hes getting me some good deals and is going to build the system. Good Job Rob :thumbsup:

[Daleon]

Geez vitter, if performance lies so much INSIDE the case then why are you so vehement against a cheaper case. We already know you like "steel" so heat can't be an issue.

Bio, yes that case comes with the same fan setup as the others I am pretty sure. Should be a standard setup for "scorpio" cases or the raidmaxx. If he can beat those prices with ps then defintely go for it. Personally I paid out the nose for my last case and I don't care in the least. I'll have it for another 10+ years prolly.

[Rbstr]

not if you want a BTX board daleon

Vitter you getting to the point were your being stupid, its a nice scase, and it will performe nearly as well as the antch and as Daleon said your contradicting yourself

[Vitter]

Seems pretty simple to me. Steel case doesn't affect heat to any sort of noticable degree (ok, maybe 1 degree celcius) when you have 4-5 fans installed. What more than counterbalances that is that those style of cases are easy to install, solid (can't be scratched or bent or dented), and will last you for god knows how long. If components stay this size, I can see you using a case like that for decades.

An aluminum case with psychodelic paint job, window, and a bunch of other crap? I can see it lasting you a couple of years, either until you hit puberty or you break it.

[EDIT] Sorry for being "stupid" and using coherent sentences and legitimiate argument points. Lemme switch it up and bring it to a more easy to understand level:

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[Rbstr]

Aluminum is easyier to bend and dent but its only like a .01% chance better, so Steel offers no advantage. It's a high Quality case Vitter, you may not like it but alot of other people perfer not to have a drab Biege box.

They are everybit as solid, lighter, more flexible in the side pannels so dents don't happen as often, the side panel flexs and pops back
Stupid does not refer to you scentences, but that fact you can't possibly understand why somebody would want anything but what you sugested, Aluminumcases are recomended by nearly eveyone, AND HE NOT SACRIFICING PERFOMANCE IN THE LEAST YOU RETARD GET IT IN YOUR THINK SKULL.

sorry bio this threads done