Post BR 20 MA Idea

[Rbstr]

Well we know Post BR 20 things are coming just around the corner so Me and Xnerd and SecondRaven put together a few ideas for a MA merit comendation/post BR20 thing.

Basicaly after you pick up 1500 or so kills with your Empire Specific MA weapon you get access to these, that expond upon the beginning MA is a bit better at (inrealation to the others, you'll see what i mean)

For the TR:
Dual Cut Down Cyclers, These are single barreld versions of the Cyclers with Bannana Clips and no stock(much shorter). The weapons take up one rifle slot(both of 'em) they are on a kindof rakc mount that gets put on your back. When you take them you you get one in each hand (it takes 1.5 times the aount of normal Draw time and put away time). These have big COF's but small recoil, they fire alternating(like the reaver, but the COF overlaps more) giving it !.5 times the refire rate of the cycler, they each have a 30 round clip(so 60 total) they do a bit less than normal Cycler damage (but a higher TTK) , only 2x zoom, and even that will be hardly worth it.
also AP damage on is acctauly quite good due to new AP ammo tech in it.
Bit long of a reload time (just a bit slower than MCG time)

PRO: High ROF, Great at close range but not as good as the MCG, big clip, better than Cycler TTK(may have use as an Infil weapon, as a single gun later) same degradation
CON: Not much use at range, Ammo burner, not accurate, have to anticipate targets more, becaue of longer draw time

For the NC:
Gauss Battle Rifle, a Bullpup rifle taking styleing cues from the original gun. short strait mag twards the but, And a Cylindracal Scope up top, slightly of to the left of center, a bit longer than the original as well.
25 round clip, 2x 4x 6x zoom, normal load time.
Two fire modes. Prime, this simulates normal Guass acceleration, for med to med/long ranges:
This weapon has a base COF just slighly smaller than the original weapon but it has larger expantion, after 4 shots. Bit slower ROF than guass, 8 shot kill on rexo(over guasses 10) bit less degradation, full auto, higher TTK than guass)
Secondary mode, this simulates an overcharge of the guass acceleration for med/long to long ranges:
Semi-Auto (ala Click one and shot once, no holding down, or if thats not possible Lancer ROF with Charge at the end not begining of shot) Damage to take out a rexo in 5 hits, low degradation, nice accuracy, basicaly no bloom do to slow refire rate.

For the VS:
I'm fresh out of ideas, so tell me what you think

All of these are up for debate, if you want somethig else, post it It can be something else beside a weapon, any Merit/Post BR20 Thing you can think of.

[martyr]

for the VS:

a pulsar with 6x zoom, and a triple-clip for your magazine for faster reload.

(like this one, designed for two mp5 magazines: )

http://www.combatdepot.com/images/products/359.jpg

[FraudulentBob]

no

[Keebler]

no
Quoted for truth.

[EarlyDawn]

Yeah, I'd like to register a resounding no for these.

If you really want them in, make them part of the Merit Commendations/Elite Abilities system. And make duel wielding pistols attached to the melee booster implant, renamed to strength enhancement afterwards.

BTW, Keebler... death will come for you on swift wings.

[BadAsh]

Nice creative thinking Rbstr. But, I think these would be better suited as new weapons perhaps in the SA certification rather than +20BR items.

I think +20BR rewards should be added skills/certs and not unique equipment. Honestly I'd not mind seeing the BR level limit raised to 30 but requiring insane amounts of BEP to achieve...

You get BR20 in about 3,000 kills... to get to BR30 you'd need 30,000 kills or something like that... so most will never achieve it.

And the only benefit I think would be good is just added certifications... more versitility not more power is my vote.

[Ghoest9]

The last thing this game needs is a bunch of new special abilities to seperate veterns from newbs.

PS's strength is that after playing for 1 day equipment wise you can compete with an oldtimer. Your new character may not have the versitility of an oldtimer, but it will compete just fine in your specializations.

Implants are enough as far as advantages go to older players. What you are asking for would pretty much gaurantee the end of PlanetSide.


EDIT: Badash's idea is pretty good.

[Cryptica]

Creating new weapons shouldn't be a bonus to BR 20 chars, because whn you think of it it doesn't have quite the logical sense it needs to work. Are BR 20 chars stronger/faster than BR 5 or BR 10 chars? No, not really. So why are they the only ones who can use those guns?
Instead I would much more appreciate something along the lines of this:
Say someone gets their 100 sniper kill today. Yay, congrats to Mr. (or Ms.) Sniper. So as a reward for his (or her) long-time dedication and practice using the bolt-driver, he/she automatically reloads his/her bolt-driver faster than the normal, "non-practiced" user. It would be something like 1/2 the reload time. This could be logically explained by saying simply "they've had more practice, and can do it faster." Most people who've been in the army/marines/et al for a year or two can reload a clip like omfg uber-faster than a new soldier could.
Anyways I guess my point is that rather than totally new weapons, it should be more of a modification on old weapons.

[ChewyLSB]

The beauty of PlanetSide is that a long time veteran does not have a huge advantage over a newbie.

If two guys run at each other with Sweepers, one at BR1, and the other at BR20, it comes down to skill for who wins.

[Baneblade]

The beauty of PlanetSide is that a long time veteran does not have a huge advantage over a newbie.

If two guys run at each other with Sweepers, one at BR1, and the other at BR20, it comes down to skill for who wins.
or luck.:evil:

[Ghoest9]

Crypticas idea is far worse tha what the thread starter propposed.

Its a "rich get richer" set up. Exactly contrary to a the FPs ethos.

[Diddy Mao]

Or the 1 with Personal Shield, Rexo, Lasher and Bunny Hopping 1 will usually win!

[ChewyLSB]

Or the 1 with Personal Shield, Rexo, Lasher and Bunny Hopping 1 will usually win!

Bah, you're just mad I kicked your ass that one time :P

Just kidding, just kidding, don't take it to heart.

[Lartnev]

Well considering it's not going to based on BR anymore, but on Merit commendations you needn't worry about BR 20s being better than everyone else, only the experienced users getting rewards for their efforts.

[scarpas]

so yet again, the tr get gimped compared to the nc.


you might as well just get one cycler, it would work better.

[Onizuka-GTO]

The beauty of PlanetSide is that a long time veteran does not have a huge advantage over a newbie.

If two guys run at each other with Sweepers, one at BR1, and the other at BR20, it comes down to skill for who wins.


I agree. Which is why i think new weapons avaiability should be based ON certification points.

If you want them to be more exclusive, they should just put the certification points moderately high. Say, 5 or 6.

This won't be based on high level, as most people will still be able to afford it, but at a PRICE.
A low level br 10 can still own a br20 with the new weapon, but it will still be based on skill. Just that you must sacrifice your Cert points to use new equipments.

[Cryptica]

Ok man what I just said (I was informed of this after I made the post) is quite similar to the merit program that the devs are putting into place. Terrible idea huh? Mm hmm I'm sure.

[Lartnev]

Whatever you do, a BR20 will have the resources available to him or her that will enable them to get the upper hand on a BR1. Not to say that give certain specialities and a bit of skill and luck a BR1 could overcome a BR20 in theory. (I say in theory because just by visiting VR you get to BR 3).

I dunno, I think these new merit things will give players something aspire to. If using a mossie enough gives you barrel rolls, and a young pilot sees another player do that either against them, or on their side, personally I'd think "Wow, I'd love to be able to do that."

[PhoenixDog]

I just thought i'd bring it to everyone's attention that Post BR20 abilities do not, and will not exist in the sence that you see them. They are taking the form of Merit Badges. if you are skilled in a certain category (like flying), You will gain special abilities (such as barrelrolls)

[Poopy_Pants]

I have an idea.

To expand on the CC element of the game and make it more alluring, add a new cave that opens from sanc once a day that holds a CERT Module. Put the zones to cave at opposite ends of the cave (like triangle style) with the actual Cert Module at the center.

The Empire that successfully extracts the module and installs it into a cradle at the center of the Sanctuary receives access to all certs for 24 hours.

Then the cave opens again........and the fun starts again ..

[Cryptica]

Whoa....that would totally disrupt the balance of the game. I mean...it would be cool, but basically it would ensure world domination to whichever empire got the cert terminal...bad bad bad

[Toneball]

...Say someone gets their 100 sniper kill today. Yay, congrats to Mr. (or Ms.) Sniper. So as a reward for his (or her) long-time dedication and practice using the bolt-driver, he/she automatically reloads his/her bolt-driver faster than the normal, "non-practiced" user...


I like this idea, but instead of just faster reloads, throw in certian "upgrades" to a soldiers ability to use a weapon. example:

100+ kills = faster reload
200+ kills = faster draw / holster
300+ kills = reduces COF due to a steadier hand.

Now these abilities are based on the kills one would get with a certian weapon over time, not total kills. I feel this would give people incintive (sp?) to stick with weapons they like.

[Lartnev]

I think that's how it's probably going to work with most handheld weaponary.

[KIAsan]

Merit badges blow big time. The reward for becoming skilled in a weapon class is that you pwn with it. That's the reward. To start adding abilities based on kills will really suck long term. Think about it a bit. I want to have my HA merit badge. I need X kills to get it. Fastest way to do that? Spawn camp. Yeah, at long last, we will get a reward for spawn campers. I can see it now, folks spawn camping tubes, without blowing them, just to get the higher kill counts.

Same goes with vehicles of any kind. Your flying over a base and can choose the ams with lots of grunts, or that MBT that is tearing up your troops. Which do you choose, help the empire or kill a group of newly spawned to increase your kill count and get that merit badge? If they want to change the game this way, then fine, we can revert to a FPS only and eliminate teamwork and tactics.

The game is fine exactly the way it is. If they want to make it more exciting to veterans, then add more BR ranks so we can get more certs. Also, put in more content to keep the game exciting. Don't come up with something that's going to make the vets super rambos, thus creating an elite class. That's fine for those in the elite, it sucks for the noobs who will just get frustrated and leave. It is bad enough that CR4s & 5s have orbital strike (an elite weapon). Let's not further compound a bad mistake by adding even more elitie crap to the game.

[Toneball]

How 'bout this...instead of upgrades being based on kills, give everyone the chance to put cert points towards said upgrades. Following the same setup I said before. The way I see it, some people are only good with one or two weapons, why not let them have more fun by being "better" per se. The only downside to this that I can see is people recerting every 24 hours to get massive kills with different weapons. Also, this can be incorporated into a post BR20 incintive by raising the max lvl to 25 and only after BR20 can you put cert points towards these upgrades. I don't know just blabbering, ya know.

[Lartnev]

The game is fine exactly the way it is. If they want to make it more exciting to veterans, then add more BR ranks so we can get more certs.

No way, it's annoying enough that most grunts are walking swiss army knives, more cert points would make that even worse.

I personally find the idea of merit commendations quite exciting.

[FraudulentBob]

And I reiterate, no.

[ChewyLSB]

Same goes with vehicles of any kind. Your flying over a base and can choose the ams with lots of grunts, or that MBT that is tearing up your troops. Which do you choose, help the empire or kill a group of newly spawned to increase your kill count and get that merit badge? If they want to change the game this way, then fine, we can revert to a FPS only and eliminate teamwork and tactics.


As far as I can tell, taking out the AMS is the better choice. What's better, COMPLETELY stopping the enemy from respawning by your base, or stopping ONE MBT, letting them respawn back at a base, just to get another one and drive it over. Gee, hard choice.

[Sputty]

And I reiterate, no.
And I reiterate, no one cares what you say or think

[Dharkbayne]

Indeed.

[Mognoc]

No. You stole those from Halo.

[FraudulentBob]

Again, I must reiterate, no.

[KIAsan]

The idea of allowing more certs for post BR20, then giving them high cert cost addons to weapons is very appealing. If you want a reaver that barrel rolls, add it on with a 4 point cert. Yeah, I can see this working well. Would definitley eliminate the "walking swiss army knives" (good one BTW) and still give lower BR's a chance at these abilities (at a very hefty cost). I would gladly drop more certs for abilities like Instant Implant Activation for adv meds (don't even know thats in consideration). Just thinking about the possibilities is exciting. Of course, something like this makes too much sense, and I just know the devs are going to screw it up anyway.

[Lartnev]

Actually, that post makes much more sense than the way I first read your previous posts KIAsan and it's not a bad idea, not a fan of it but I can see how it'd work. But I'm wondering if you're assuming that only BR20s can get merit commendations and their reward?

[KIAsan]

Not sure how they intend to implement this merit idea. Even if it's open to all, it's still a bad idea (lower BRs just aren't going to have the time to gain the merit reward). Whether you draw the line at BR20 or at some lower BR, there is going to be a line you must reach in order to have enough time in game to actually earn a merit. Thus, those over the line will have the special abilities, those under the line won't. Still end up with two classes (haves and have nots). At some point in the future, once a bunch of current vets get their special abilities, it will become increasingly difficult for a new player to join them. Not to mention the increased difficulty of gaining additional BR.

[EarlyDawn]

Veterans should be given incentives for expertise and loyalty to a particular set of certs. The Merit Commendation system accomplishes this while not leaving the newbie at a disadvantage they cannot remedy.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Veterans should be given incentives for expertise and loyalty to a particular set of certs. The Merit Commendation system accomplishes this while not leaving the newbie at a disadvantage they cannot remedy.


I like that. Especially since i have decide to stick to magrider driving, because it's the first time in this game that i have been getting lots of kills vs no deaths! Coupled with lots of shared xp form gunner. :p
:love: it a lot.

[Baneblade]

I like that. Especially since i have decide to stick to magrider driving, because it's the first time in this game that i have been getting lots of kills vs no deaths! Coupled with lots of shared xp form gunner. :p
:love: it a lot.
Imagine a floating Party Bus ;)

[Lartnev]

Even if it's open to all, it's still a bad idea (lower BRs just aren't going to have the time to gain the merit reward).

Why not? Half the point is that you get them through playing what you enjoy most. Yeah BR20s will probably try to collect them all, but for the average player it'll just be a reward for doing what they do best.

[SilverLord]

Why not? Half the point is that you get them through playing what you enjoy most. Yeah BR20s will probably try to collect them all, but for the average player it'll just be a reward for doing what they do best.
:)

I just jumped into this thread so don't mind my opinion. But from KIA's post and Lart's post, I agree with Lart.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Imagine a floating Party Bus ;)

That would be a dream come true. :drools:

But a very nice dream, that is only going happen when Beckham leaves that tart Victoria and comes after me.

Which is never.

:rolleyes:

[Rbstr]

Veterans should be given incentives for expertise and loyalty to a particular set of certs. The Merit Commendation system accomplishes this while not leaving the newbie at a disadvantage they cannot remedy.

Excataly man.

Also my idea was intentionaly realy powerfull becasue i wanted people to come up with stuff.

[Baneblade]

That would be a dream come true. :drools:

But a very nice dream, that is only going happen when Beckham leaves that tart Victoria and comes after me.

Which is never.

:rolleyes::whip:

[Papagiorgio]

Or the 1 with Personal Shield, Rexo, Lasher and Bunny Hopping 1 will usually win!

rofl :rofl:

[Poopy_Pants]

The MA Commendations should only be available to BR20. Gives someone a reason to get BR 20 other than....."HEY LOOK AT ME IM A BR 20, see it says so in my signature so that means I know what im doing!!"

[EarlyDawn]

The MA Commendations should only be available to BR20. Gives someone a reason to get BR 20 other than....."HEY LOOK AT ME IM A BR 20, see it says so in my signature so that means I know what im doing!!"I'd prefer less BR20s but more players who specialize in a handful of certs. This would make that impossible.

Plus, that defeats the purpose of Elite Abilities, an advantage that a specialist in a cert(s) posesses but can be atained by anyone who really works with it.

[Lartnev]

Yeah I'd agree with that EarlyDawn. To me the merit commendation should an add-on to Battle Rank, but a recognition of your specialisation. By having merit commendations available at any battle rank, it means that you preseve the whol BR20 vs BR1 thing as best possible, and it rewards everyone worth rewarding :)

[KIAsan]

I will just have to take the wait and see attitude. I may be overly negative, but I have seen one too many screw-ups implemented in this game with disasterous side-effects. Well, we will eventually know and someone will be able to look back on these arguments and say we told you so. What will suck is if I'm the one saying it.