Paintball Thread

[Rayder]

Couple questions

1. What's the difference between premium and mid-grade paint?

And that's it.

[Ivan]

Shell thickness mainly.

EDIT: Oh and shape, size of the balls. Don't want flat spots or oblong balls. There are slightly different sizes. Ranges from .680 to .689

[Dharkbayne]

How much would it cost to get a starter paintball gun, and all the gear and whatnot.

[Ivan]

How much would it cost to get a starter paintball gun, and all the gear and whatnot.
I'd say get a nice Tippmann A5 for around $200's to $300's if extras come with it. Good mask is around $20 or up to $50. If you get a A5 you don't need to buy a hoppper. CO2 tank around, what? $15? I can't remember I don't use CO2 anymore.

[GonePostal]

Shell thickness mainly.

EDIT: Oh and shape, size of the balls. Don't want flat spots or oblong balls. There are slightly different sizes. Ranges from .680 to .689

not even shell thickness really, it just the quality of the gel caps and the paint inside

some are more brittle some are alot harder and just bounce

all around paint is zap

[Rayder]

Sooo, is there a point to getting the premium stuff?

[GonePostal]

kinda, depends on how hard you play and how serious you are about playing

[Ivan]

not even shell thickness really, it just the quality of the gel caps and the paint inside

some are more brittle some are alot harder and just bounce

all around paint is zap
That's basicly what I ment...

Thin Shell = brittle
Thick Shell = bounce

[GonePostal]

well if you wanna get technical :p

[Ivan]

Well I'm just saying you said I was wrong then said basicly the same thing I said but in a different way. :D

Much :love:

[Infernus]

I'd say get a nice Tippmann A5 for around $200's to $300's if extras come with it. Good mask is around $20 or up to $50. If you get a A5 you don't need to buy a hoppper. CO2 tank around, what? $15? I can't remember I don't use CO2 anymore.

my starter stuff ran me 415 dollars... it included a tippman 98 custom kit, a bag, a second barrel, a 20oz canister, a belt holster thing for pods, and a cleaning kit... Oh and a Diablo jersey.

Speaking of Paintball... I needa get out to play again... maybe i'll go up to skirmish with some frinds this weekend...

[Hamma]

Shell thickness mainly.

EDIT: Oh and shape, size of the balls. Don't want flat spots or oblong balls. There are slightly different sizes. Ranges from .680 to .689
rawr

oops nm

[Ivan]

rawr

oops nm
:rofl: :lol: :p

[Infernus]

rawr

oops nm
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[GonePostal]

man why couldnt my shit been that cheap

[Ivan]

man why couldnt my shit been that cheap
Indeed, I think off the top of my head I have over $1600 just in my gun.

[GonePostal]

holy shit, id never put that much into 1 gun, maybe into all my guns together but in 1? holy fuck! why?

[Ivan]

holy shit, id never put that much into 1 gun, maybe into all my guns together but in 1? holy fuck! why?
I own a Gen-E Matrix 03 (Now Dye Matrix 03). That was about $800 then. Viewloader eVLution II (egg II) that's about $70. Z Board for the egg II for $22.58. Evolve Matrix Bolt Kit $134.95. Palmer Fatty Stabilizer $90. Smart Parts Max Flow 88ci 4500psi Nitrogen System $350. Lapco SnapShot 12" barrel $100.

Estimate grand total $1567.53

[GonePostal]

to much stuff for me, i like my old school equipment

ANS autococker (stock) autococker built from scratch, a autococker my buddy built and i bought ( it broke) and excalibur (for fun :D )

basic VL electronic hopper, max flow system, armageddon nitrogen system

course now that i think about it i did put alot of money into the cocker i built, probably not 1500 though

[Ivan]

AKA Excaliburs are sweet. Too bad the Smart Parts Nazis put a stop to any further AKA electro guns. :mad:

[GonePostal]

eh i dont really like the electro guns as much as i love the autocockers :D so i dont mind

[Ivan]

I just think it's stupid that Smart Parts think that any gun that uses a battery and a switch is their idea... That's just retarded that they made such an open ended patent that purposely included any gun with a battery and switch. Then suing small companies first. They haven't even tried going after any larger companies. :mad: :rolleyes:

[GonePostal]

lol, i thinkj WDP did it with the angel first anyways

i could be wrong though, not sure when the shocker came out and when the angel came out

[Ivan]

lol, i thinkj WDP did it with the angel first anyways

i could be wrong though, not sure when the shocker came out and when the angel came out
That's right I just heard about that. But I think Smart Parts Shocker was the first electro which sucked hard core. WDP was the first to make a good working electro. WDP is suing them because they have a patent on the circuit board idea I think. I'm happy they did. K2 (snowboards) bought Tippmann so Tippmann now has the backend to keep Smart Parts off their backs.

[GonePostal]

eh i had a shocker, and an angel, they both sucked hard they broke down way to often

[Ivan]

I've never owned eather. I'm just saying what I heard. Which would you take, the first shocker or the first angel?

[GonePostal]

a stock ANS autococker

works right out of the box

[Ivan]

My Matrix worked right out of the box too. :D Pluged in a battery, turned it on. Filled the hopper. Turned on tank. Fired away. :)

[YankeeDoodle]

HeHaHo. The MAtrix has to be the best gun out! They are so damn fast! I've owned a Dye Matrix, Angel 4, Lasoya Timmy, most of the top of the line guns. I'd have to say, if you are thinking about getting seriously into paintball, you should start thinking about seriously getting a Dye Matrix. Those things bounce... I can reach 20 EASILY...

[Ivan]

Yeah I was out shooting my EggII with the Y board. So I bought the Z board. Works great.

[JetRaiden]

How much would it cost to get a starter paintball gun, and all the gear and whatnot.

Tippman 98c's go for about $120 is some places, plus a 12 oz C02s with are about 20 bucks, and a basic hopper, which are 2 bucks, but the least expensive powered ones are about 30. thats all you need from the start. get a mask later on if you want, but initially you can just rent like I did.


YankeeDoodle I dont believe anything you said. Youve owned a Dye Matrix, Angel 4, AND a Lasoya Timmey? bullshit. youre either spoiled or youre lying. and why the hell would you tell him to get a dye matrix? HES JUST STARTING. for god sakes those a pain to take care of and if he went out with one of those on his first time he'd loose respect from every field hes ever been to. you can only reach 20 on a Dye matrix? my brother's shocker can get to 26 bps easy. if you own all those markers, and you can only get a matrix up to 20 bps, you deserve to be shot.

[Ivan]

Tippman 98c's go for about $120 is some places, plus a 12 oz C02s with are about 20 bucks, and a basic hopper, which are 2 bucks, but the least expensive powered ones are about 30. thats all you need from the start. get a mask later on if you want, but initially you can just rent like I did.


YankeeDoodle I dont believe anything you said. Youve owned a Dye Matrix, Angel 4, AND a Lasoya Timmey? bullshit. youre either spoiled or youre lying. and why the hell would you tell him to get a dye matrix? HES JUST STARTING. for god sakes those a pain to take care of and if he went out with one of those on his first time he'd loose respect from every field hes ever been to. you can only reach 20 on a Dye matrix? my brother's shocker can get to 26 bps easy. if you own all those markers, and you can only get a matrix up to 20 bps, you deserve to be shot.
He wasn't saying to buy a matrix as a starter gun.
I'd have to say, if you are thinking about getting seriously into paintball, you should start thinking about seriously getting a Dye Matrix.Matrices are not that hard to maintain...

Benchmarks for matrices are around 23-25bps if I remember correctly.

Ever notice the very similarities of the internals of the Matrix and Shocker 03?

[JetRaiden]

if youre a beginner its alot more of a hassle then you would need. I started with a Spyder Shutter and I think I cleaned paint out of it maybe twice. my autococker needs to be taken care of after every tourney Im in.

[Ivan]

Yeah spyders are an other great beginner gun.

[GonePostal]

spyders are probably the best beginner gun IMO

but remember the gun does not make the player

[JetRaiden]

spyders are probably the best beginner gun IMO

but remember the gun does not make the player

true, Ive seen kids with Tippman Carbines that have alot of potiential. but the gun does affect your proformance dramatically.

[Peacemaker]

Hehehe Ivan got lucky. I have the same gun as him except its back to its near stock form. Most of my equipment has been sold as I was desprate for cash. Although I need to ask Ivan if he has ever seen a breech for a tippmann thread? If not I will have to talk to a few friends, buy a spider breech and have it milled.


Ph34r Matrix with flatline.

Its just an experiment but if it works it will be insane. I love paintball and I have to say one of the funnest things to do is to use a secondary marker (a pistol) as a primary and wtfpwn the enemy with a ten round clip.

[Ivan]

I never heard of a Pro-Crabine, 98c, or A5 threaded breech for a Matrix. But there is a guy that goes by Doc in a few paintball forums that will make you anything that you want as long as you can pay for it... :D

http://www.docsmachine.com/

[Peacemaker]

Omfg :splooge:

[Ivan]

Omfg :splooge:
:huh: :lol:

[GonePostal]

true, Ive seen kids with Tippman Carbines that have alot of potiential. but the gun does affect your proformance dramatically.
:lol:

no it doesnt, gimme a tippman and ill go play just as good as i normally would, ive seen teams in tournys go out in to games with stock tippmans from the vendors and whoop ass just for fun

doc sher does have some perty guns :eek:

[JetRaiden]

:lol:

no it doesnt, gimme a tippman and ill go play just as good as i normally would, ive seen teams in tournys go out in to games with stock tippmans from the vendors and whoop ass just for fun

doc sher does have some perty guns :eek:

are you kidding? you think you can do just as good with a tippmann as you would with a E-bladed autococker? thats both retarded and impossible.

[Peacemaker]

No its not. Me and my team all had broken guns once (there was a car accident and they ALL were damaged). So guess what? We went and rented the pro carbines and came in 2nd place.

[GonePostal]

are you kidding? you think you can do just as good with a tippmann as you would with a E-bladed autococker? thats both retarded and impossible.


no your retarded and you need to learn how to play

ive seen people kick ass with pump guns, aye TALONS

although i would never use a talon myself even if it was just for messin around but ive seen it

[Ivan]

Jet, ever hear of Tippmann Effect? (http://www.tippmanneffect.com/) They kick major ass with 98c's and A5's. :p

EDIT: Yes I know that's just a fan site for Tippmann Effect but that's just what I found real quick cause I'm at work right now.

[GonePostal]

ive watched them play at the IAO, theyre fucking good, and very respectable players

i cant remember if they were at skydome or not, but i know there was a team up there playing with all tippmans

[Ivan]

ive watched them play at the IAO, theyre fucking good, and very respectable players

i cant remember if they were at skydome or not, but i know there was a team up there playing with all tippmans
yeah I've watched them too at the IAO. I live like 15mins from the Butler Fair grounds. So It's easy for me to go. :D

[GonePostal]

ahhh no shit? where you live in PA

im right in cranberry, but im moving this saturday

edit: i saw them at the Three rivers paintball park less than a 5 minute drive from my house

[Ivan]

I live up in Butler.

[JetRaiden]

no your retarded and you need to learn how to play

ive seen people kick ass with pump guns, aye TALONS

although i would never use a talon myself even if it was just for messin around but ive seen it

well, you guys may be talking about woodsball. Im talking about speedball. go in a speedball tourney with a tippman 98c and you will lose, unless youre a godsend of paintball. I have seen people do well with pro carbines, but not on a tournament level.

[Ivan]

well, you guys may be talking about woodsball. Im talking about speedball. go in a speedball tourney with a tippman 98c and you will lose, unless youre a godsend of paintball. I have seen people do well with pro carbines, but not on a tournament level.
Ok did you even look at the tippmann effect fan site? They are not playing woodsball they are playing speedball. And they still do well or better than teams with cockers, 'trix, angels, shockers, timmys, ect.

[JetRaiden]

yea, they look kinda like Bad Company. they use Spyders, but their super modded and they win all the time.

[Ivan]

yea, they look kinda like Bad Company. they use Spyders, but their super modded and they win all the time.
Yeah, I think your thinking of JC Huntington(sp?) He just uses a Sypder Compact with a E-frame, and Compressed air. Nothing more than that but a electro hopper and good barrel. And I think it's just him that uses that. Not the whole team. I read about him in a paintball mag, I think it was FaceFull or PGI.

[GonePostal]

well, you guys may be talking about woodsball. Im talking about speedball. go in a speedball tourney with a tippman 98c and you will lose, unless youre a godsend of paintball. I have seen people do well with pro carbines, but not on a tournament level.


once again you must learn the finer points of paintball, young grasshopper. the gun does not make the player, the player makes the gun. and speedball is no exception ive seen people whoop ass with rental guns in speedball, shit i love speedball ive had to use a rental in speedball before.

play hard, fast, and agressive and it does not matter, besides how often do you miss when your bunkering somebody?

[Ivan]

play hard, fast, and agressive and it does not matter, besides how often do you miss when your bunkering somebody?
:lol: :D

[JFPhoenix]

Hey I think I'm gonna play some paintball with my friends for the first time, is there any tips for me?

[Ivan]

Hey I think I'm gonna play some paintball with my friends for the first time, is there any tips for me?
#1 Always keep your mask on.
#2 Have FUN!
#3 Try to make yourself as small of a target as you can, don't leave your foot, leg, elbow hang out the side of a bunk/tree.
#4 Don't be afraid of moving. If you can get a shot on a person move, don't waste ball after ball if you can't hit him. It's hard to hit a moving target but possible. Paintball is about angles.
#5 Have MORE FUN!

[JetRaiden]

once again you must learn the finer points of paintball, young grasshopper. the gun does not make the player, the player makes the gun. and speedball is no exception ive seen people whoop ass with rental guns in speedball, shit i love speedball ive had to use a rental in speedball before.

play hard, fast, and agressive and it does not matter, besides how often do you miss when your bunkering somebody?

if you can kick ass with a tippmann at a speedball field, then the people youre playing must suck really bad. Ive seen really awesome players with tippmanns and do really well, but Ive also seen people with timmys that suck. put the 2 of them on a field and the tippmann wins.

[Kikinchikin]

:( no love for tippmans eh? *hugs his A-5*

[JetRaiden]

:( no love for tippmans eh? *hugs his A-5*


A-5s are awesome for scenario games and stuff, but theres also the E-Orracles and Shockers for speedball.

[Ivan]

Karnivor > E-Orracle

Matrix > Shocker

:p

[JetRaiden]

Karnivor > E-Orracle

Matrix > Shocker

:p

bah! Shocker 03 is the lighest marker evar! and its supa fast.

btw, timmys generally suck. Ive never seen such a problematic marker in my life.

[Ivan]

bah! Shocker 03 is the lighest marker evar! and its supa fast.

btw, timmys generally suck. Ive never seen such a problematic marker in my life.
Light yes, but they are just a rip off of the basic Matrix design.

Timmys remind me of the Timmy from South Park, "TIM-MAY!"

http://www.linux.ime.usp.br/~abpaula/southpark/404_timmy.gif

[GonePostal]

if you can kick ass with a tippmann at a speedball field, then the people youre playing must suck really bad. Ive seen really awesome players with tippmanns and do really well, but Ive also seen people with timmys that suck. put the 2 of them on a field and the tippmann wins.


im starting to think you suck at paintball hard, and you will always remain that way because of your way of thinking, really you dont know what your talking about, and i doubt you know what your doing on the field ( any field)


you go ask any experienced player that is good, if the gun TRULY matters

[JetRaiden]

im starting to think you suck at paintball hard, and you will always remain that way because of your way of thinking, really you dont know what your talking about, and i doubt you know what your doing on the field ( any field)


you go ask any experienced player that is good, if the gun TRULY matters

you gotta be kidding. skilled players have used tippmann pro carbines BUT they do affect their proformance. thats ridiculous that you would think a player would do the same with a 98c as he would with a cocker with a freak on it.


edit: from my experience with guns Ive had to fix, Timmys are the biggest poser markers out there. I cant remember how many kids Ive seen walk on the field I work at with one of these for the first time and bust it up in the 2nd round.

[Ivan]

I think I understand what GonePostal is saying, let me try to use an example�

There is a really good baseball player and then there is say, me. I totally suck at baseball. I haven�t played in years.

The really good guy can hit the ball farther and more often than I can cause he�s better at it than me and plays more than me. Give him a wooden bat, still better than me. Give him a metal bat still better than me, but then he can also hit it farther with the metal bat than the wooden one. Yes the metal bat helped him hit the ball farther but it still took skill and talent to hit the ball in the first place. Me on the other hand will suck no matter what bat I use.

I don�t know if that helped at all. But that was the first then that came to my head.

[JetRaiden]

I think I understand what GonePostal is saying, let me try to use an example�

There is a really good baseball player and then there is say, me. I totally suck at baseball. I haven�t played in years.

The really good guy can hit the ball farther and more often than I can cause he�s better at it than me and plays more than me. Give him a wooden bat, still better than me. Give him a metal bat still better than me, but then he can also hit it farther with the metal bat than the wooden one. Yes the metal bat helped him hit the ball farther but it still took skill and talent to hit the ball in the first place. Me on the other hand will suck no matter what bat I use.

I don�t know if that helped at all. But that was the first then that came to my head.

I understand what youre saying, but it doesnt apply to baseball as much as it does for paintball. a better example would be lacrosse. theres a kid on my lacrosse team. leading scorer, gets about 4 goals a game. now, he has a $150 lacrosse stick. give him a $20 lacrosse stick and I promise he will not score those 4 goals.

[Ivan]

I don't know anything about lacrosse. How does the stick effect his ablity to score?

[JetRaiden]

well, it makes a difference. I went from a $30 stick to a $90 one at the beginning of the season. it made a huge difference. more expensive sticks can hold the ball alot better, have a better pocket, and you can shoot alot faster. I dont knowthe science behind it, but you can.

the difference between lacrosse sticks you use in a game is almost as big of a difference with paintball guns. except its harder to see if someone with a $20 stick has any skill or not.

[GonePostal]

I don't know anything about lacrosse. How does the stick effect his ablity to score?


it doesnt, lacrosse was probably the worst fucking example he could have used(unless that stick has no netting). your still just flinging the ball, with some technique and strength. the baseball example was much better, because it does matter what material bat you use, which is why the pros use wooden bats. if they used aluminum (dear god) they would be crushing every other ball.


from my experience with guns ive had to fix

what experience?

im such a fucking newbie when it comes to paintball, i should just keep my mouth shut.

im done with this thread

[Ivan]

I could still use your example to explain my point of view.

Hand me a $30 lacrosse stick, I'm going to suck. I've never played lacrosse. Hand me a $90 or $150 stick and I'm still going to suck. Just because I'm using a more expensive stick doesn't mean I�m going to do any better.

So in paintball, hand me a $150 98c. I'll play with the best of my abilities with that gun. Now hand me a $1500 Cocker and I'm not going to do much better at all other than being able to fling pain faster.

Yes. You can play better with a better gun, but only to the extent of your ability to play the game.

[JetRaiden]

it doesnt, lacrosse was probably the worst fucking example he could have used(unless that stick has no netting). your still just flinging the ball, with some technique and strength. the baseball example was much better, because it does matter what material bat you use, which is why the pros use wooden bats. if they used aluminum (dear god) they would be crushing every other ball.




what experience?



im done with this thread

alright, if youve ever played lacrosse, and if youre actually good at it, you would know that the stick makes a huge difference in proformance. Im talking about if you already have alot of experience in the sport, if you dont, too bad, and you'll do bad either way. get a year of experience under your belt and youll know exactly what Im talking about.

I work at Providence Indoor Paintball, in Providence (duh), and I usually have to fix busted ACs, timmys, impulses(although I havent fixed many of these). but for the most part I usually ref matches when this other guy is there (can assemble a basic autococker in like 5 minutes).



I could still use your example to explain my point of view.

Hand me a $30 lacrosse stick, I'm going to suck. I've never played lacrosse. Hand me a $90 or $150 stick and I'm still going to suck. Just because I'm using a more expensive stick doesn't mean I�m going to do any better.

So in paintball, hand me a $150 98c. I'll play with the best of my abilities with that gun. Now hand me a $1500 Cocker and I'm not going to do much better at all other than being able to fling pain faster.

Yes. You can play better with a better gun, but only to the extent of your ability to play the game.
thats what Ive been saying. of course if you have a better gun, you can still only play to the best of your ability. but for some reason I think you guys thought I said a noob with a timmy can wreck a field up because of his gun.

[Ivan]

true, Ive seen kids with Tippman Carbines that have alot of potiential. but the gun does affect your proformance dramatically.
I think what Postal and I were saying is that the gun doesn't affect your proformance dramatically. We were basically saying that the gun does not make the player, the player's skill and abilities do. From the quote above it sounds like you are saying the gun makes the player.

[JetRaiden]

Im saying it affects your proformance alot, but if you have no skill you'll do bad with a autococker just as you would with a spyder.

its like the same thing with lacrosse. give a noob a $20 stick, and he'll do pretty bad, give him a $90 stick, and he'll still do bad. give a pro a $20 stick and he'll struggle with it, give a pro a $150 stick and he'll probably play to the best of his ability.

[Ivan]

Anyone playing or going watch the IAO this year? It's July 21-25.

www.teameffortevents.com/iao/

[JetRaiden]

Anyone playing or going watch the IAO this year? It's July 21-25.

www.teameffortevents.com/iao/

if I have time Ill go to that. its not too far away for me. I didnt really read up on it is it open to the public?

[Ivan]

Never heard of the IAO huh? It's one of the largest paintball tech and trade shows this side of the Mississippi. The IAO is open to public to watch, for a price. I believe it's too late to sign up a team. But check the site. I'm just going to check out the babes at the booths and products. I'll catch a few games too.

[JetRaiden]

I doubt Ill be able to go...ah whatever...this isnt exactly E3...

[Ivan]

Paintball isn't exactly video games.

[JetRaiden]

yea but this isnt exactly as important to me as going to E3. paintball has always been something thats just me and my 3 man team. dont really get into the whole community that much outside of my job...

[VivaLaNuBc4k3]

Wow havent been on the forums for awhile. Hey guys.

About IAO. I should be going, we're not completely sure. I do know that my team is going to Chicago PSP playing Division II X-Ball without me. :( No money.

Anyone else going to IAO?

[GonePostal]

blast!!! im moving out of state this saturday so if i go down it will be and 11 hour drive, and if im not playing in it, i doubt ill be going just to watch, unless im staying down here for a few weeks

gotta get some pics for me if i dont make it though!