Doac

[Toneball]

Just wondering what yall's thought are on DOAC. Buncha guys of work are playing it and I'm thinking of trying it out.

L8

[r3d]

I play it nonstop
PM if you need info on stuff :|

EDIT: Btw is DAOC
:|

[TekDragon]

Worst leveling system ever. Absolutely zero skill based.

A level 50 mage who has never picked up anything heavier than a spoon can get the world's weakest weapon (say, a rusty broken moldy mace) and kick the fucking shit out of a level 10 warrior using a sword he has used all 10 levels.

A dozen monkeys could have came up with a better system.

[Indecisive]

I've tryed the 7 day trial thing, and it diddnt really catch my attention. Some of the learning curves in these games suck. I dont want to read a 10 page essay so i can have fun :/

[r3d]

A level 50 mage who has never picked up anything heavier than a spoon can get the world's weakest weapon (say, a rusty broken moldy mace) and kick the fucking shit out of a level 10 warrior using a sword he has used all 10 levels.

No caster class would even pick up a mace! Infact, they cant, since they only get skill in staffs. unless its a hybrid. But otherwise, a level 50 caster has no reason to even fight a level 10 melee class in general, they'd never be fighting anywhere unless the level 10 was retarded and ran out into a PvP zone where 50's are supposed to be.
And yes, you could staff a low level class to death, with a gap of 40 levels anything level 50 could beat a level 10 player, everything is scaled downwards as a lower level player ( or mob ) attacks a higher level player, Giving a higher level player an advantage, but this only kicks in in extream situations of 20-40 level gap difference.

In short, a player with hundereds more health points, str,dex, any stat will be a lower level player if it is a gaint level gap.



EDIT: Err Im not disagreeing with you on the leveling system Tek, just explaining why its like it is.
The game was based off Player Vrs Player, and not Player Vrs Monster, EQ is what you want if you want PvE (player vrs monster)

[Indecisive]

I think the point is that its not fun being killed by people 40 levels higher then you.

[r3d]

I think the point is that its not fun being killed by people 40 levels higher then you.

Like I said, they would never meet eachother anyways.
The game is divided into 3 realms, or teams, you get levels and go PvP according to zones that are your level. I guess if you're retaded you can go run out with a bunch of 50's and die a ton.

[Exano]

Now that new frontiers is out, its fuckin tastey. Tastey with a big T. I help do news on the DAoC Catacombs and DO news on their WoW fansite.

The DAoC one is one of the most popular DAoC fansites.http://daoc.catacombs.com, go check it out.

[JetRaiden]

Ive always wanted to try it. but I never had the time.

[TekDragon]

In short, a player with hundereds more health points, str,dex, any stat will be a lower level player if it is a gaint level gap.
My point is that this SUCKS.

Look at the hitpoints of a level 1 compared to a level 50. That's retarded. Why do your hitpoints increase?

Your SKILL increases. When a soldier trains in the military he gets SKILL, he doesn't magically become able to take 50x more bullets than he would as a private.

[r3d]

My point is that this SUCKS.

Look at the hitpoints of a level 1 compared to a level 50. That's retarded. Why do your hitpoints increase?

Your SKILL increases. When a soldier trains in the military he gets SKILL, he doesn't magically become able to take 50x more bullets than he would as a private.

Its the same with any other MMORPG, and you cant even come close to comparing the army to a online fantasy game.

It makes sence anyways, why should a level one player have the same hitpoints as a level 50 player? They dident do shit.

Note: PS isent a MMORPG, so you cant compare it to DAOC with the hitpoints issue :P

[SDM]

EQ>DAoC

btw, Hitpoints do not equal health. The theory being: at lvl50 one would be better defending, more acustomed to thier armor, better practiced, perhaps stronger, etc. than a lvl10.

Using the 5:1 ratio, wouldn't someone who has been training for 5 years with a given skill be able to beat the tar out of someone who has only trained 1 year with the same skill? I know if I practiced for 5 days wearing full plate armor in RL, I could probably take more hits than if I was wearing 80lbs of shit the first day. I dunno, thats just how I see it. It's not a bad system.

[firecrackerNC]

Anyone know if Shadowbane is any good,dling free trial now,looks like it might be fun for the 15 day trial,dout ill buy tho.Anyone play it and got any sugestions.

[Indecisive]

Eh, if you are strictly in to twitch quote unquote skill gameplay, then most rpgs arnt for you.

I played EQ, i like it better then daoc, but, i repeat i diddnt understand it much -_-

[TekDragon]

Its the same with any other MMORPG, and you cant even come close to comparing the army to a online fantasy game.

It makes sence anyways, why should a level one player have the same hitpoints as a level 50 player? They dident do shit.

Note: PS isent a MMORPG, so you cant compare it to DAOC with the hitpoints issue :P

Look at Star Wars Galaxies. A person 2 minutes old has the exact same HP as a person who's been playing for 2 years. If both of those players stripped naked and had someone shoot them, they'd each die in an equal number of hits (not shots, cause the experienced player may have some dodge skills).

That system WORKS, and it works WELL. Combat is based on SKILL and EQUIPMENT. You can't go up to some huge fuking dragon and have it bite you 500 times before you die. No, if it bites you once or twice your dead. You avoid death by using team tactics, dodge skills, and killing it before it kills you.

Just because YOU have not seen a skill based system doesn't mean they aren't out there. They are, and more and more developers are moving that way and avoiding the "Well, i guess when you level your HP increases. We can't explain why.. maybe.. umm.. your charachter gets bigger... makes more blood... umm..".

I can compare the army if i want. If you dont like it, ill take it back to Medieval times.

Answer me this: If you took a sword and swung it as hard as you could at the face of a peasent and the face of a hero, and hit both, which would survive? The answer: neither. The hero has the SAME health as the peasent.

However, give that hero his sword and his skills, and he'll kick your ass. You'll never touch him. THAT'S how a MMORPG system should be.

Not only does it make sence, but it allows the developers to focus on balance of skill and equipment, instead of creating "zones" where only certain levels can go to.

[firecrackerNC]

Sonovabitch!!! I was dling Shadowbane from fileplanet,started it at like 7pm and it was at like 86% and then my comp gets an error and restarts.Anyone know if its possible to start dling from where I left off and iff not a better dling site?

[Spee]

Tek, you play DnD. Why is the concept of gaining more hitpoints so foreign? Sure, its based on Skill and equipment, but in a fantasy setting, where physics and real-world applications dont apply, a level 50 should beat the snot out of ANYTHING.

if I have a level 10 fighters stirp down naked aside form a sword, and a level 1 fighter strip naked with the same sword, the level 10 with hand him his ass. Why? Better training, more skills.

[I Hate Pants]

Sonovabitch!!! I was dling Shadowbane from fileplanet,started it at like 7pm and it was at like 86% and then my comp gets an error and restarts.Anyone know if its possible to start dling from where I left off and iff not a better dling site?
Your comptuer was doing you a favour

[TekDragon]

Tek, you play DnD. Why is the concept of gaining more hitpoints so foreign? Sure, its based on Skill and equipment, but in a fantasy setting, where physics and real-world applications dont apply, a level 50 should beat the snot out of ANYTHING.

if I have a level 10 fighters stirp down naked aside form a sword, and a level 1 fighter strip naked with the same sword, the level 10 with hand him his ass. Why? Better training, more skills.

In DnD they lack dodge skills. The HP are extremely balanced, and are used to compensate that. A wizard doesn't have much need for dodge skills, so he rolls a 1d4 each level for hit points, and averages 2 hitpoints per level. A warrior class has need of dodge skills, they roll 1d10 or 1d8, averaging 4 and 5 hitpoints per level. It reflects the ability to dodge and deflect attacks with your weapon.

DnD is often unbalanced cause wussy DM's and even wussier players go for the full dice roll on HP rolls. Chances are most games you played, your charachters had double the HP of what the designers wanted to be "balanced".

Now, taking this farther.. think of it this way. A level 1 warrior and a level 10 wizard. Level 10 wizard has 0 skill in quarterstaff, and a robe. Level 1 warrior has 2 points in twohanded sword, and studded leather.

Do you know who's going to win in that fight? The Level 1 warrior. In 1 luck hit, or 2 average hits, that wizard is gonna be flat on his back.

Now, if that was DAoC, that warrior could be level 7, the wizard level 10, and the wizard would fucking DEMOLISH that warrior. Why? Because with DAoC's retarded system, you can't even HIT someone higher level than you.

Same with everquest - it's fucking retarded.

[Exano]

Tek, your trying to compare DAoC to SWG, its apples to oranges in a way.

The HP system is fine, if im the max level, I kind of _should_ beat a level 10, its not like planetside. Besides, if that level 10 wants PvP he can go to the battlegrounds and fight people level 10-14.

[Hamma]

RPG = ban :p

[TekDragon]

Tek, your trying to compare DAoC to SWG, its apples to oranges in a way.

The HP system is fine, if im the max level, I kind of _should_ beat a level 10, its not like planetside. Besides, if that level 10 wants PvP he can go to the battlegrounds and fight people level 10-14.

Why? Why should you be able to beat someone because your a higher level? What the freaking hell does a "level" measure? NOTHING.

It's a stupid idea that makes a stale gaming system.

When you kill something with a sword, you gain a level.
When you kill something with fire magic, you gain a level.
When you kill something with a bow, you gain a level.

See? NO SENCE WHAT-SO-EVER.

You kill something with a sword, you gain skill using a sword.

If you've killed 5,000,000,000 creatures with firemagic, and 0 creatures with a sword, you'll get your ASS BEAT by someone that killed 50 creatures with a sword and 0 with firemagic if both of you are using swords.

IT'S COMMON SENCE.

If you take the time to read what im writing, and not just jump on it with "omg your insulting my game" or "apples and oranges!" you'll get what i'm saying.

The fact that future MMORPG's are moving in the skill direction show that developers, too, agree and that they feel non-skill based systems are simplistic and make no sence - and make for stale gameplay.

[r3d]

Why? Why should you be able to beat someone because your a higher level? What the freaking hell does a "level" measure? NOTHING.

It's a stupid idea that makes a stale gaming system.

When you kill something with a sword, you gain a level.
When you kill something with fire magic, you gain a level.
When you kill something with a bow, you gain a level.

See? NO SENCE WHAT-SO-EVER.

You kill something with a sword, you gain skill using a sword.

If you've killed 5,000,000,000 creatures with firemagic, and 0 creatures with a sword, you'll get your ASS BEAT by someone that killed 50 creatures with a sword and 0 with firemagic if both of you are using swords.

IT'S COMMON SENCE.

If you take the time to read what im writing, and not just jump on it with "omg your insulting my game" or "apples and oranges!" you'll get what i'm saying.

The fact that future MMORPG's are moving in the skill direction show that developers, too, agree and that they feel non-skill based systems are simplistic and make no sence - and make for stale gameplay.

The game works as you get levels, you gain skill points that you can use yourself, so if you're a warrior and kill things with ANYTHING, you can put points into what you want to use, aka if you like swords, put it into sword skill, or sheild skill to block, or parry skill to parry.
The system works fine, you're the only one complaining.

[TekDragon]

The game works as you get levels, you gain skill points that you can use yourself, so if you're a warrior and kill things with ANYTHING, you can put points into what you want to use, aka if you like swords, put it into sword skill, or sheild skill to block, or parry skill to parry.
The system works fine, you're the only one complaining.

We're having a fucking debate. Don't be a pussy and throw the "complaining" card around. If what we're discussing is too much for you, then go to another thread.

As for what you said, how does that make sence? I kill something with a sword, and then I take that experience, transfer it into a "level" and use "skill points" to get whatever skills I want?

So I can use a sword for 3 straight weeks, and put all my points into healing magic, despite the fact that I haven't used healing magic once.

Yeah... that makes tons of sence.

[Dharkbayne]

Post removed because I offended poor little tekkypoo and he got mad and told on me.

[TekDragon]

Dhark, that's it. I just reported you. I'm not tolerating this bull shit anymore.

You have no right to come into a thread where a few people are having a dicussion and start acting like an ass hole like that.

This warning goes to Triggar, SDM, OMA, and whoever else wants to build up their fragile ego's by being juvinile dipshits and ganging up on me.

[EDIT] Don't bother editing your post either, Dhark. The mods will see the original post. If not, I have it quoted in another screen. I wish you could have listened to me when i said to put me on ignore, but you had to prove you were the biggest ass hole.

[firecrackerNC]

Eh yeah I have to kind of agree with Tek on this one.Elder Scrolls Level system aint that bad tho.You should check it out.

[TekDragon]

What's it like? Just a rough synapse.

[EDIT] Reported as well, SDM. You may think im an ass hole, but at least I am on topic. Disagreeing with the topic at hand compared to mob stalking through the forum, flaming at every chance. Which do you think the mods are going to crack down on the hardest?
[EDIT2] Same thing for you, Sputty. You can't even stay on topic in the political debate forum. Don't blame you for not being able to do it here.

[SDM]

Dhark, that's it. I just reported you. I'm not tolerating this bull shit anymore.

You have no right to come into a thread where a few people are having a dicussion and start acting like an ass hole like that.

This warning goes to Triggar, SDM, OMA, and whoever else wants to build up their fragile ego's by being juvinile dipshits and ganging up on me.
How long do you think this forum is going to tolerate your bull shit Tek? What do expect to happen when you treat everyone like shit? Why don't you go fuck tourself with an aluminum baseball bat?

Your warning is noted asshole. Fuck you.

[firecrackerNC]

The more you use a weapon the better you get.If you find a god like hammer but have like 5 points in hammer skill you will RARELY hit them and when you do its real low damage cause your not trained in its use.The more you use magic the better your get at it and more chance of success,not more damage just more success.Each lvl you gain in an area equals 1/10 of a real lvl.So you would have to raise your sword skill 10 levels to get a character level.If you got X-Box pick this up for sure,it was GOTY and is like 15-20 and had 100s of hours of gameplay

[Sputty]

How long do you think this forum is going to tolerate your bull shit Tek? What do expect to happen when you treat everyone like shit? Why don't you go fuck tourself with an aluminum baseball bat?

Your warning is noted asshole. Fuck you.
Aluminum is too smooth
Use a broken wooden baseball bat

[TekDragon]

Ok, so it's a use it-gain it skill system. That's good. What happens when you get a charachter level?

[firecrackerNC]

You get 3 points to spend on either,Str,Agility,Intel,Willpower,luck,speed or endurance.And say you used bow alot to lvl which takes agility,instead of raising agility only 1 it might raise it 2-3.And also char lvl doesnt always mean better.Im a lvl 20 thief/archer and have take down lvl 50 fighters and wizards by having good equipment,using good tactics and just overall skill.A lvl 10 Warrior who trains in sowrd nonstop could destroy a lvl 30 using a sword but has no skills in it.

[TekDragon]

I think part of the reason we're having trouble agreeing (those of us actually debating, not the 3 ass holes who came in here just to flame) is because none of us have tried showing what the "perfect" system is.

My idea of a perfect system would be a mix of AC, SWG, UO, and Diablo.

Every skill in the game is in a list. The skills fall in 3 categories. Untrained, novice, master. When you create a charachter, all of your skills are in the untrained section. Your beginning charachter has some "proffesion points" these points can be used to move a skill from the untrained box to the novice box. More points can be used to move a skill from novice to master.

Once you have a skill in the novice or master category, you can begin gaining "levels" in that skill by using the weapon/magic/defence/healing/trade/etc. We'll stick to swordsmanship for simplicity sake. As you use the sword you gain exp in swordsmanship. The tougher the critter you hit, the more xp gained. As you raise in "levels" of swordsmanship, your accuracy, speed, and damage increase. The amount of xp for "skill level" you get is also determined by if the skill is in the "novice" or "master" category. If you spend the points to put swordsmanship in master (thus sacrificing the points that could be spent on, say, archery) you'll advance quicker in swordsmanship.

Once you hit certain "levels" in swordsmanship, you open up a new branch - like a technique. You can use your "proffesion points", a very small amount (compared to unlocking a whole skill), to open up that technique and you can begin using it, gaining levels in it as you use it (you still gain sword xp).

As you kill you also gain "Charachter XP". This represents the amount of time in game you've spent killing things. As you level in this, you do not get hit points or additional mana. Instead, you get more proffesion points which can be used to train in new skills which you will have to use to become proffecient in.

There would be skills to increase your mana, etc. They would need to be trained, however. HP would not need to be raised. You would instead put proffesion points into defence skills and get levels in them, thus making you harder to hit.

This is, in my mind, the perfect leveling system. SWG came close, but missed the mark. Asherons Call was VERY close to this, and is why it has such a loyal base. Hopefully a game comes out soon w this system.

[lightfire]

can we temp ban tekdragon? till he learns this is a forum for opinions not for "YOU MUST FOLLOW WHAT I SAY OR I REPORT YOU BAN BAN BAN lalalala" bullcrap please?

[Kaltagesta]

Since when did games set in a fantasy world have to make sense? The whole point of using a fantasy setting is that they dont have to worry about it being realistic, as theres no such thing as being unrealistic in a totally separate world completely out of context with earth. You should use whichever system you enjoy the most, but you can't call the other one 'fucking retarded' just because you don't find it as enjoyable. I personally have never found any RPG except FFXI entertaining - does that mean they are all 'fucking retarded'?

[TekDragon]

Since when did games set in a fantasy world have to make sense? The whole point of using a fantasy setting is that they dont have to worry about it being realistic, as theres no such thing as being unrealistic in a totally separate world completely out of context with earth. You should use whichever system you enjoy the most, but you can't call the other one 'fucking retarded' just because you don't find it as enjoyable. I personally have never found any RPG except FFXI entertaining - does that mean they are all 'fucking retarded'?

We're discussing why the systems suck and which ones are better. If you like a certain system, fine. Say why you like it and defend it.

Just because a game is based on non-reality doesn't mean the base systems have to make zero sence. Theirs plenty in games that DO make sence. When was the last time you played a MMORPG where the laws of gravity and motion did not apply?

can we temp ban tekdragon? till he learns this is a forum for opinions not for "YOU MUST FOLLOW WHAT I SAY OR I REPORT YOU BAN BAN BAN lalalala" bullcrap please?

I suggest you read through this thread. It will be VERY easy to pick out which people are posting on topic (even if they are disagreeing/debating), and which came in here for the sole purpose of being flaming ass holes.

Now guess which category you fall into?

Reported.

[firecrackerNC]

Lightfire,your really not one to be talking.Your constantly making stupid threads and/or posts.Mabey we should temp ban you too?

[TekDragon]

Lightfire,your really not one to be talking.Your constantly making stupid threads and/or posts.Mabey we should temp ban you too?

Don't fall to their level FireCracker. This is the only joy they get all day. Stay on topic.

[Sputty]

Reporting every other person because you don't like them and you flame them isn't going to get you very far

[Indecisive]

/me reports phobos

[TekDragon]

Sputty, I don't like you. Haven't liked you for a while. This is the first time i've reported you.

Why? Not because I don't like you - but because you came into a forum not to discuss a topic, not to participate (even if it was to disagree), not to even post a single word relating to the topic at hand, but instead - to bash.

That's it, your ONE purpose for posting. The ONE purpose SDM posted. The ONE purpose Dhark posted.

That's why they (and you) were reported. For having no other purpose in your post but to harass.

[Kaltagesta]

We're discussing why the systems suck and which ones are better. If you like a certain system, fine. Say why you like it and defend it.

Just because a game is based on non-reality doesn't mean the base systems have to make zero sence. Theirs plenty in games that DO make sence. When was the last time you played a MMORPG where the laws of gravity and motion did not apply?


Just because some dont make sense, doesnt mean none of them can - thats the whole point i'm trying to make; You can completely choose what you want to be 'reality'. The whole point of computer games is that you can do things you otherwise couldnt do, and have fun while doing so. Personally i'm not bothered why something works, as long as it does, so i'm not going to sit here and debate why i enjoyed ffxi, the only reason i made the post is because it annoys me when people dismiss other peoples opinions as 'fucking retarded' just because they are different and haven't backed it up with why - does it really matter why? The point is that they do, and the thing shouldn't be called 'fucking retarded' just because you don't like it.

Edit: You keep reporting people because they are off-topic? If Dhark or SDM created a 'Why Tek sucks' thread, you would report them for flaming. So how exactly do they express their opinions of you, and how would starting another thread about you be any different than calling someones belief of fun 'fucking retarded' because you don't agree with it?

[TekDragon]

I'm sorry if the term "fucking retarded", when used to describe a coding system in a game, hurt your feelings on a personal level.

I'll try to be more politically correct next time and say it is...

nm... even I can't be that sarcastic.

Look, i don't see what point your trying to make Kalta. We're discussing systems. Coming in and saying "Omg! It doesn't have to be real!" isn't an argument.

If you expect me to respond to it in a rational manner, stop. It wasn't a rational statement.

[EDIT] The report button is meant to report harrasment. There is absolutely NO way you can look at those posts and miscontstrue them as anything OTHER than harrasment. That's why they were reported.

[Kaltagesta]

We're discussing systems. Coming in and saying "Omg! It doesn't have to be real!" isn't an argument.


Where as your reason for why its retarded is 'Omg! It doesn't make sense!'

:groovy:

[SDM]

This warning goes to Triggar, SDM, OMA, and whoever else wants to build up their fragile ego's by being juvinile dipshits and ganging up on me.
That is the ONE reason I posted, you fucking asshat. Keep up the good work, I think there are one or two people who don't actually hate your fucking guts. Keep it up and I'm sure you'll get them to despise you and your fucking attitude too.

Blame it on everyone else all you want. We don't type your posts. You do.

[TekDragon]

Where as your reason for why its retarded is 'Omg! It doesn't make sense!'

:groovy:

Yes, but i back up mine with reasons, facts, and alternatives. Where-as you did not.

Note the difference? One stimulates a debate. The other does not.

Did you read my post on the pefect system? It's not THAT long, i suggest you read it if your honestly interested in debating.

If I ever fine tune a perfect system i'm sending it to my old UMBC buddy who's getting some offers from game developers. He wants to make MM games.

[Sputty]

Yes, but i back up mine with reasons, facts, and alternatives. Where-as you did not.

Note the difference? One stimulates a debate. The other does not.
What facts? You've given no facts, only opinions.

[TekDragon]

What facts? You've given no facts, only opinions.

......

Not gonna retype it.. just gonna quote it. Sad some people are so lazy.

A level 50 mage who has never picked up anything heavier than a spoon can get the world's weakest weapon (say, a rusty broken moldy mace) and kick the fucking shit out of a level 10 warrior using a sword he has used all 10 levels.

Your SKILL increases. When a soldier trains in the military he gets SKILL, he doesn't magically become able to take 50x more bullets than he would as a private.

Answer me this: If you took a sword and swung it as hard as you could at the face of a peasent and the face of a hero, and hit both, which would survive? The answer: neither. The hero has the SAME health as the peasent.

However, give that hero his sword and his skills, and he'll kick your ass.

Satisfied? I'm ignoring you until you post something worth responding to.

[Kaltagesta]

Exactly what Sputty said.

And again, I repeat, since when did it matter why someone thinks something in matter of opinion? It's not like, if I enjoy a game, I'm going to say "Hmm, turns out I was wrong. I don't enjoy this game!" after you presented the 'facts' to me, is it?

Edit: Your basing your 'facts' on the belief that everyone wants exactly the same as you from the game. Obviously they don't. Fucking retards. If there was such a thing as a perfect solution, that met ALL gamers needs, it would have been made by now. As it happens, people have different tastes.

[Sputty]

A level 50 mage who has never picked up anything heavier than a spoon can get the world's weakest weapon (say, a rusty broken moldy mace) and kick the fucking shit out of a level 10 warrior using a sword he has used all 10 levels.

Proven to be BS

Compsring an MMORPG to the military makes no sense either and show nme one mmorpg that wrks the way you mewntioned in the 3rd post

[Indecisive]

Erm, thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people subscribe to services that you claim are 'fucking retarded' So it cant be all that bad.

[TekDragon]

Ok, you guys don't want to debate. That's fine. I wanted to criticeze the existing structures, show why they sucked, and offer alternatives.

You guys don't want to do any of that - just throw out non-sequitars by the dozens.

I'm not going to waste my time on a topic no one wants to discuss.

Congrats, you win. DAoC has a perfect leveling system that could not possibly be improved upon. Any MM game that uses a different system than DAoC will be utter crap. There is absolutely no room for improvement and no room for debate on it.

[Indecisive]

If you want to insult everyones viewpoints then fuck yeah we dont want to debate it.

[firecrackerNC]

Erm, thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people subscribe to services that you claim are 'fucking retarded' So it cant be all that bad.


Thousands and thousands of people commit suicide.So it cant be all that bad.Care to try?

[Sputty]

Thousands and thousands of people commit suicide.So it cant be all that bad.
I concur, it removes angsty goths from the world
Unluckily goths just whine and never do anything
It's normally some business guy after the stock market crashes in the 1920s

[SDM]

Thousands and thousands of people commit suicide.So it cant be all that bad.
You wont know if its good or bad till you try it. You go first and let me know how it works out :D

Thousands and thousands of people make really bad analogies. So it can't be all that bad.

[TekDragon]

If you want to insult everyones viewpoints then fuck yeah we dont want to debate it.

Wow... I called the SYSTEM retarded. Where the HELL did I insult an individual?!

Are YOU the fucking system?! NO! I'm SO FUCKING SORRY I HURT YOUR FEELING BY USING A NEGATIVE ADJECTIVE ON THE SYSTEM - THE TOPIC IN QUESTION.

Jesus christ... your making my fucking head hurt. I can't stand this stupid shit anymore. You people will just keep on spitting out the stupidest, illogical sentences i can imagine. I swear your just doing it to start a flame war. Theres no other reason i can think of for this level of idiocy.

As i said in the other thread, i have a math test to study. I'll let you guys re-write history and claim I was insulting you when I was debating with 2-3 people about a system.

[firecrackerNC]

Well since Teks gonna be busy and I got all night start directing some of these flames to me.Im bored and could use a good laugh.

[SDM]

You honestly can't stop being an ass can you Tek.

[Setari]

The wheatfield turns left at an elbow past ten and wanders down the road to obliteration.

[Kaltagesta]

Jesus christ... your making my fucking head hurt. I can't stand this stupid shit anymore. You people will just keep on spitting out the stupidest, illogical sentences i can imagine.

The report button is meant to report harrasment. There is absolutely NO way you can look at those posts and miscontstrue them as anything OTHER than harrasment. That's why they were reported.


Reported!!

[Sputty]

We're all illogical while you make the most sense possible
:rolleyes:

[firecrackerNC]

Actually I think everyone who particapated in this flame war on both sides(me included) are asses.So lets leave it at that.Everyones been bitching and moaning at each other,and you cant say one person started it either.Both parties are responsible in there own way.If someone really pisses you off and you cant stand what they say then theres a new contraption out called ignore.Its new and everyone should try it,and if you disagree with what I say,then press the IGNORE button.

[Indecisive]

IGNORE ME IF YOU HATE ME.


jesus.


and to counter your "you ignore me" comment that you will more then likely make.

No. I dont hate anyone short of tg people. I dislike your comments, and wish you would change your attitude, but, I do not hate many people.

[Doop]

My point is that this SUCKS.

Look at the hitpoints of a level 1 compared to a level 50. That's retarded. Why do your hitpoints increase?

Your SKILL increases. When a soldier trains in the military he gets SKILL, he doesn't magically become able to take 50x more bullets than he would as a private.

Welcome to RPG's.
No, welcome to Fiction altogether.

[Hamma]

Make use of the ignore feature Tek. I am not going to ban everyone that disagrees with you.

[r3d]

I dont get it, Tek. All you do is come back with OPINIONS about how you think the system is bad, saying other games are better. Unless you're opinion is law, then you can kindly stfu.

All this guy wanted to ask was how people thought the game was, not "How far you can take bitching to the next level"

Now its just a retarded hate thread, and it sucks having to weed through all the spam to get to a good post that answers this man's question about the game.

Oh wait, there arnt any.


EDIT: Sorry to copy you about the opinion thing sputty, dident see it till after I posted.
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[Toneball]

Tek, thanx for turning my simple DAOC opinion thread into a battle ground. I didn't ask you to debate games I've never played and frankly don't care to play. I didn't ask you to describe the "perfect system" and I certianly didn't ask for one person to post half the posts of this now 5 page thread. This is a DARK AGE OF CAMELOT opinion thread. Not compare DAOC to SW:G or EQ thread. Why can't you let others express their opinions of the game and leave it at that, not challenge them or try to prove them wrong. Good god people guess I have to find out for myself, seeing as most of you are too selfish to let ME take everyone's opinion into account and decide for myself.

[Indecisive]

Threadcreatorowned

[OneManArmy]

Don't you find it the least bit..uhh.. odd that this forum, that is so full of idiots, spammers, and , "juvenile dipshits", seems to run pretty smoothly except when you start posting Tek?

Perhaps it's just me but I do find that quite interesting... what do you think?

[TekDragon]

Make use of the ignore feature Tek. I am not going to ban everyone that disagrees with you.

I don't expect you to, Hamma. I expect you to prevent the kind of shit that happened in this thread and the other thread. Where Dhark (in this thread) and Trigger (in the other thread) come in and post with NO OTHER PURPOSE than to harass.

If they want to come in and call my ideas stupid and explain WHY they are stupid, fine. But to just run in and lay out a bunch of harrasment in huge font is not cool. I know it's not the way you want this forum to be run. If i'm wrong, tell me.

I'll have fun going into every thread i see Oni, Dhark, OMA, SMD, and Triggar post in and bust out the huge font and say

OMG YOUR A FUCKING DUMB ASS. STFU!

You wouldn't like that. They wouldn't like that. I don't like that.

Several people are commenting on it besides me. You'll notice the only people defending this type of behavior is the people who are doing it. The people who randomly come into the thread note the blatant hypocricy and comment on it.

Please do something.

[Glaynor]

Tek, why the f'ck are you ranting about these people when you were the origianl hijacker. The original poster of the thread just stated how you hijacked the thread. He just wanted to talk about if he should pick up DAOC or not - not ask about a comparison of the different games and levelling systems. YOU HIJACKED THE THREAD. You can't change the topic, then bitch about others who changed the topic from your hijacked topic.

JEEZ, Tek get back on the meds. You shouldn't worry about studying math - take a basic social skills course.

[TekDragon]

He asked if he should get DAoC. I said no, and explained why. Someone else said I was wrong, and explained why I was wrong.

Thus, a discussion ON THE TOPIC was started.

How long have you been on a forum? You honestly think the topics don't shift slightly as the thread goes on? Get real.

[Jennyboo]

OMG YOUR A FUCKING DUMB ASS. STFU!


That is why this is the Lounge...freedom of speech ...I believe that is in your USA constitution...these forums wouldent be here if every little person got ban/slap on the wist for "not say"/"doing" things you/me or the person down the street dosent agree with ...The Lounge
General chit chat, talk about non Planetside Stuff here
Just deal with it :rolleyes:

[Glaynor]

Actually there is no freedom of speech in the forums. Constitution says that "Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech". Therefore the government may not impinge on the freedom of speech, but since this is a private forum, the mods may restrict what is said.

<Ends daily legal fact>

[Infernus]

...everything always turns into an argument... over opinion too, jesus christ if you don't agree with someone's opinion talk it over with them privately instead of creating a big arse scene and in general making everyone look like more of an arse... bloody hell.


On a different note: all the mean people scare me... comfort me kalta...

[Hamma]

Tek you are as much to blame as all the people who "harass" you, I suggest you either use the ignore feature or take some time off from the forums. If you refuse to do either then I may have to make you take a forced vacation.