It's time to fire-bomb Paris

[AztecWarrior]

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/fc?d=tmpl&cf=fc&in=entertainment&cat=michael_moore

[firecrackerNC]

Im up for bombing france.Tell me when and where to meet.Oh and how much should I pitch in for nuclear bomb and plane?

[THrONeBeaST]

i rather put a nuke up michael moore's butt

[AztecWarrior]

As the ObnoxiousFrog pointed out: "Save a whale, spear Micheal Moore!"

[TekDragon]

Tells you everything you need to know about the French.

Worst mistakes the US ever made in history:

1. Liberating France from the Germans.
2. Giving France a permanent seat on the UN Security Council (out of pity)
3. Giving France nuclear technology (which they used to become the "whores of nuclear proliferation", even selling nuclear technology to Saddam).

[GonePostal]

whos up for renting a private island for a weekend, kidnapping michael moore and then hunting him for sport, actually better make it an hour he wont make it far


fat bastard

[Biohazzard56]

Tells you everything you need to know about the French.

Worst mistakes the US ever made in history:

1. Helping the French in Vietnam.
2. Giving France a permanent seat on the UN Security Council (out of pity)
3. Giving France nuclear technology (which they used to become the "whores of nuclear proliferation", even selling nuclear technology to Saddam).

to be somewhat fair to the french (not that they deserve it) but there was no alternative to France for an invasion of europe. Also, the french helped us in the french and indian war. Without the french's help in that war america might not have survived.

[Indecisive]

<CDL-Gohan_exe> Its always the right time to fire bomb paris!

[firecrackerNC]

how did they help us in the French and Indian war?

[GonePostal]

:rofl: :rofl: its been awhile since history class but that doesnt sound right

[Pilgrim]

Also, the french helped us in the french and indian war. Without the french's help in that war america might not have survived.

You are joking right?

Either that or you go to School in California!

We fought with the British, against the French and their indian allies in the French indian war... they do teach that right?

Of course you could be refering to how the French suck and surrendered durring the French Indian war... that works as well.

[Ivan]

Well If I remember anything from school correctly our first president, George Washington, fought in the French and Indian War on the British side. The French winning that war didn�t help or hurt us. But the French did help us in the Revolutionary War. Now that did help us.

[ChewyLSB]

Yes, France helped America greatly in the American Revolution.

[AztecWarrior]

Yes, France helped America greatly in the American Revolution.
Yeah, after Napoleon things went downhill, culminating in:

<Infernus|Laptop> the only reason paris has trees is so that the germans have some shade when they capture the city

They almost lost WW1 as well, the Germans were about to encircle Paris and own it. Instead they counterattacked, launching a bloody trench war that killed millions. Why didn't they just bow out for the common good?

Yes, this is a joke after "Instead, they counterattacked,". I'd rather not be speaking German right now.

[Triggar]

Give me a break all of you, with these cultural stereotypes.

All you're doing is being spoon-fed opinions by the media. Think for yourselves.

[AztecWarrior]

Spoon-fed opinions by the media? Isn't the media the anti-Bush crowd in the first place?

We're obviously joking, as well. France does have a significant defensive ability. They just have a poor record.

[Triggar]

Are you kidding?!

Most of the media I've seen is retardedly right-wing to the point of miseducating the public and concealing the reality.

[AztecWarrior]

Not all of the media is NewsMax.com.

[ChewyLSB]

A poor record, huh?

Let's take World War II for example.

You're the CIC of the French Army. You have just witnessed the German war machine take out numerous countries with relative ease. You know Germany has you targetted next. You know that you're army is vastly inferior. They German's have just bypassed your wall because they attacked from Switzerland, which you did not expect (I wouldn't have expected it either, to be frank). So now, you have a decision to make.

A: Fight, lose all your men, have your country destroyed, and lose a lot of civilians in battle from collateral damage, and THEN lose.

or

B: Surrender, save your men, save your citizens, and save your countryside, and realize that you are not as powerful as Germany.

Tell me that France was wrong in this.

[GonePostal]

france was wrong. If america got invaded like that, what would you do?

bend over and take?

to win war, sacrifices must be made, we have through the history of america, and many other countrys have aswell

[TekDragon]

No they didn't you fukin *****.

They threw their weight in with us only AFTER they saw we were about to win the war. They stayed neutral though almost the entire war.

[Sputty]

Tells you everything you need to know about the French.

Worst mistakes the US ever made in history:

1. Liberating France from the Germans.
2. Giving France a permanent seat on the UN Security Council (out of pity)
3. Giving France nuclear technology (which they used to become the "whores of nuclear proliferation", even selling nuclear technology to Saddam).
I can counter that easily
1. Helping the US leave the British Empire
2. France has been an important European country since it was formed
3. The US rarely traded nuclear secrets to anyone, and I have never seen you give proof that the US gave France the technology.(Also, there's a difference between reactors and bombs)

[Sputty]

A poor record, huh?

Let's take World War II for example.

You're the CIC of the French Army. You have just witnessed the German war machine take out numerous countries with relative ease. You know Germany has you targetted next. You know that you're army is vastly inferior. They German's have just bypassed your wall because they attacked from Switzerland, which you did not expect (I wouldn't have expected it either, to be frank). So now, you have a decision to make.

A: Fight, lose all your men, have your country destroyed, and lose a lot of civilians in battle from collateral damage, and THEN lose.

or

B: Surrender, save your men, save your citizens, and save your countryside, and realize that you are not as powerful as Germany.

Tell me that France was wrong in this.
Bullshit, the French had a technological and numerical advantage in many aspects. German won due to tactics, not better equipment or more men.

Edit: I believe Frace surrendered so quickly it was astounding, while other countries really fought and created a huge problem for the Germans. winning the war on their own fronts(Russia for example, I'm not saying France would have been as "successful") but France should've TRIED to fight after a certain point

[TekDragon]

1. Makes no sence. Unless your talking about the Revolution, in which case you need to go back to history class.
2. Relative term, absolutely nothing substantial to that.
3. I don't believe that the holocaust occured. Prove it. Cmon Sputty, there's some things you SHOULD know. If you don't know basic history you need to educate yourself, not beg me for your education.

[Indecisive]

mmm...scorched earth policy..

[I Hate Pants]

I think the French were brave during the war. They fought the Gemrans with the odds stack against them. They were outnumbered, out gunned, out manned. Bought they loved their country enough to still keep fighting and dying.

The French resistance did lots of things to help the Allies during the war. Like give secret info on the Germans, and do some behind the lines sagatoging.

And they fought before the Americans came into Europe. Lots of info for the D-day planning came from the French resistance who gave secret info to the Allies.

They fought for thier country with what they had left. Im sure Americans would do the same if thier country was taken over.

You guys need to cut them some slack. How long will this grudge last? Alot of you guys are just jumping the "Hate France" Band wagon. You really have no reason to hate them. Except everyone else in the country does. So you might as well join in.

[GonePostal]

wait how did france help us leave the british empire?

edit: pants, they surrendered so fucking fast, what are you talking about. sure there was a few civilians that believe different

[I Hate Pants]

The French sent an actual army to help the rag tag militia fight off the British. They also used thier navy to combat Britain's. Which took alot of balls to do back then. Because few countries wanted to go against the mighty British Navy. Which was dominate to allo ther countries.

[TekDragon]

Pants, people who follow history and keep up with the news have every right to hate France. Just because you know one bit of info from way back in history doesn't redeem them from the century of backstabbing, lieing, socialism, cowardice, greed, and plain evil that country has thrown about.

The French sent an actual army to help the rag tag militia fight off the British. They also used thier navy to combat Britain's. Which took alot of balls to do back then. Because few countries wanted to go against the mighty British Navy. Which was dominate to allo ther countries.

The US was already winning the war, with no chance of losing. Didn't take much "balls" at all. The Dutch did more to help the US than the French did. At least the Dutch sold us cannons, guns, and ammunition while the outcome was unknown.

I have no doubt in my mind that if it looked like the british were going to win, France would of been right there at the end to help slit our throats.

[GonePostal]

wasnt that nearing the end of the war, i mean really close to the end of the war. kinda of a last minute, "o hear ya go"

[I Hate Pants]

Pants, people who follow history and keep up with the news have every right to hate France. Just because you know one bit of info from way back in history doesn't redeem them from the century of backstabbing, lieing, socialism, cowardice, greed, and plain evil that country has thrown about.What evil are you talking about!?

So you consider the revolutionary war just a tiny piece in history?

[Sputty]

1. Makes no sence. Unless your talking about the Revolution, in which case you need to go back to history class.
2. Relative term, absolutely nothing substantial to that.
3. I don't believe that the holocaust occured. Prove it. Cmon Sputty, there's some things you SHOULD know. If you don't know basic history you need to educate yourself, not beg me for your education.
1. Huh? It makes no sense because I disagree with you? Or is it that you're just saying that because you can't say anything else(BTW, it's sense, not sence)
2. You want substantive? Ok, Hundred years war, WWI, Napoleonic wars, the French's role in the revolutionary war, hell, even before france was formed "barbarians" from France created hell for Romans.
3. Other people have questioned you on that before, until you give proof(it's obviously not basic history if so many people haven't heard about it) it's bullshit. The US wouldn't even give the British nuclear technology so it's hard to believe that it would happen with the french.

The french got a security council position because of their help with forming the UN, also, which the US gave many countries veto power to get them to join(Russia and China)


BTW, france disagreeing with the US with recent events doesn't mean the French backstabbed and lied for the course of the 20th century, you're either lacking history knowledge(ironic as you claim so many others do) or you're just ignoring what you know

[TekDragon]

What evil are you talking about!?

*sigh* What the hell do they teach you kids anymore?

France sold Nuclear Technology to everyone they could find as soon as they got the technology from the US (out of pity, we thought they'd use it for good purposes).

After the Iraq War 1, when embargoes were laid down heavily on Iraq, France came in and offered Saddam weapons and weapons technologies (used to shoot down US planes and kill our soldiers) in exchange for oil. For a decade, France bought oil from Saddam with weaponry used to opress the people and kill our soldiers protecting Kuwait.

Then, during the run-up to the second invasion of Iraq, France had the audacity to claim WE were going after Iraq for oil. Which is just plain retarded when you realize that we are just rebuilding their country so they can sell the oil to an OPEN MARKET.

Evil, greed, cowardice, and backstabbing.

I could write more, pages more, but you should really start paying attention in class.

[TekDragon]

1. No one understands what your talking about. Your sentence made no sence. Try forming a complete sentece that is coherent.
2. Ahh, so they were important to europe before WW2. Agreed.
3. No one has ever questioned this before you. As I recall we had a great conversation on it last time it was brought up. If you didn't know history, you should have spoken up then, we could of educated you and saved you the embarassment.

[Sputty]

NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT MEAN WEAPONS. Many countries, including the US, have sold other countries power plant technology.

[TekDragon]

NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT MEAN WEAPONS. Many countries, including the US, have sold other countries power plant technology.

Did I say weapons? No.

I said they took nuclear technology and gave it to Saddam. You can draw your own conclusions from there.

Jesus, don't you ever get tired of embarrasing yourself?

[EDIT] Go hug a kitten or something, Sputty. Your REALLY out if it today, both in the political debate forum (where you post responces that aren't responding to anything) and here.

[I Hate Pants]

*sigh* What the hell do they teach you kids anymore?

France sold Nuclear Technology to everyone they could find as soon as they got the technology from the US (out of pity, we thought they'd use it for good purposes).

After the Iraq War 1, when embargoes were laid down heavily on Iraq, France came in and offered Saddam weapons and weapons technologies (used to shoot down US planes and kill our soldiers) in exchange for oil. For a decade, France bought oil from Saddam with weaponry used to opress the people and kill our soldiers protecting Kuwait.

Then, during the run-up to the second invasion of Iraq, France had the audacity to claim WE were going after Iraq for oil. Which is just plain retarded when you realize that we are just rebuilding their country so they can sell the oil to an OPEN MARKET.

Evil, greed, cowardice, and backstabbing.

I could write more, pages more, but you should really start paying attention in class.Guees what! America gave Saddam missles too!!!! Chemical missles to be exact

[Sputty]

1. No one understands what your talking about. Your sentence made no sence. Try forming a complete sentece that is coherent.
2. Ahh, so they were important to europe before WW2. Agreed.
3. No one has ever questioned this before you. As I recall we had a great conversation on it last time it was brought up. If you didn't know history, you should have spoken up then, we could of educated you and saved you the embarassment.
1. Why is it so hard to see? I leave out one word. France. It made sense to other people, just not you. France helped the US greatly(perhaps the thing that 'turned the tide' and gave the necessary power to push out the British and keep them out)
2. France isn't important? So only countries that agree with the US in recent events are important? What you're saying makes no sense. France has done a lot historically, and is one the largest economic powers in the world.
3. You're flat out lying there. People have questioned that before. You still haven't given proof, or evidence. I asked you for it as I was unsure and I was doubtful of that as the US never gave nuclear weapons technology out during the cold war and you acted in your normal arrogant way

[Mr1337Duck]

They sold Saddam a reactor that anybody with half a brain could infer was for nukes.



They're ungrateful little bastards. When their dollar was shot and we kicked up the value of it, we got mocked in the streets of Paris. They supported the appeasement of Hitler when Churchill was ready to go fight back against him, I can find some more.

[Sputty]

[EDIT] Go hug a kitten or something, Sputty. Your REALLY out if it today, both in the political debate forum (where you post responces that aren't responding to anything) and here.
Keep your shitty insults to yourself.

[TekDragon]

Guees what! America gave Saddam missles too!!!! Chemical missles to be exact

Idiot. The worst thing that the State Department approved to trade with Saddam (during the Iran War when Iran was the greater evil) was 60 Hughes helicopters and 45 Bell 214ST helicopters, which may have been used to drop chemical weapons on Iran.

Don't get your facts from the DU.

[TekDragon]

2 people responded to your post. Neither of us understood what the hell you were talking about, Sputty.

I wasn't insulting you. I was giving you a recomendation. I suggest you take it before you continue embarassing yourself.

[Sputty]

2 people responded to your post. Neither of us understood what the hell you were talking about, Sputty.

I wasn't insulting you. I was giving you a recomendation. I suggest you take it before you continue embarassing yourself.
I have a recommendation for you then: Go shoot yourself in the face. Just a recommendation. I suggest you do it before you embarass yourself with your "I'm right, you're wrong" arrogance that has got you so much love on this forum.

[I Hate Pants]

ooooooookay..uhm... its getting pretty heated up here

[firecrackerNC]

Are you kidding?!

Most of the media I've seen is retardedly right-wing to the point of miseducating the public and concealing the reality.


.....................lol wtf? Your joking right? You think most media is right-wing?Im hoping your joking.

[TekDragon]

.....................lol wtf? Your joking right? You think most media is right-wing?Im hoping your joking.

I don't think she is. Sadly there are many people who feel this way. Sputty is one of them, so i suggest you drop the issue and walk away shaking your head.

Willfull ignorance is not something you can fight.

[Infernus]

... I try and I try and I fail and I fail ...

[1024]

Seriously tek, stop picking at people's responses. use common sense and figure it out.

[TekDragon]

Seriously, 1024. Either hop in the debate and post something of interest, or stay out. Even Pants manages to debate, even if everything he says is wrong.

[I Hate Pants]

You just don't know when to stop tek. Do you?

[1024]

Seriously, 1024. Either hop in the debate and post something of interest, or stay out. Even Pants manages to debate, even if everything he says is wrong.
I'll post whatever the fuck i want, thank you.

[UncleDynamite]

Whatever happened to this "Ignore" feature Tek was talking about the other day? Don't tell me that we're taking people off our lists just for this again.

Anyway, my contributions. I do not believe that the media is as liberal as we make it out to be. While young reporters and journalists generally lean left, the news anchors ane editors (those who typically have more say in what get's published) generally lean right. And if I recall correctly, a study has concluded that while the media runs slightly more negative articles about conservatives than they do about liberals, the media also runs slightly more positive articles about conservatives as well. I'll try identify the group behind this study.

Also, as for France, I think they're just another country like the rest. They suffered defeats just like any other nation, albeit more publicized. They are a significant economic power and have helped tremendously in the realm of humanitarian assistance, and I commend them for that. That is all.

[xmodum]

Tek is making a fool of himself, claiming everything that someone is saying is wrong, talking about how he is embarrising Sputty, and a bunch of other crap. You are embarrasing yourself. BTW, like 4 other people have said, its SENSE, not SENCE.

[Zatrais]

TekDragon, i'd be really interesting in seeing some sort of evidence for the US giving france nuclear technolog because well as far as i can tell the only "help" france got was because some of its scientists that worked on nuclear technology in a ango canadian team based in montreal during the second world war returned home. Hell then they (the french) even developed a new world standard for extracting uranium.

So well, i'd be really interested to see your proof cause it contradics my own history books.

[Mr1337Duck]

Don't bother Tek, you're wasting your time speaking to them.

[Darksim]

Fuck the french. There a bunch of sissy assholes.
Surrendering all the time.......Selling nukes to saddam, FUCK YOU FRANCE YOU FUCKING *******! :fu:

Stupid...France-French.....*******.

The Quebecions are ok in my eye.
But the guys in france think they still have power, and think everyone should speak french.
fucking fance :fu:

[TekDragon]

Knock it off, DarkSim. If your going to bash the french do it for reasons and logic. Don't just spout off hate. That makes you no better than them, with all their anti-US crap.

[Triggar]

Wow, this pattern of threads going to shit has become all too familiar.

Mods, noticing this?

[ChewyLSB]

Concerning the Revolutionary War:

The reason France didn't join until that late in the war is because they wanted to see that America had even the slimmest chance. Before that point in the war (the Battle of Saratoga), France was helping America, but sort of "under the table". France was sending America supplies to help it's fight against Britain.

[Manitou]

First of all, this has gone from a stupid beginning title, "It's time to fire-bomb Paris" to an even more ridiculous name calling session for the most part. No city, no matter what, deserves to be fire-bombed. Have you ever read what it is like during a fire-storm brought on by incindiary bombing? Yes, I know war is hell, but to suggest we do it to a city because that country has a difference of opinion... sad.

If you want to discuss politics and history, take it to the correct forum.

Also, a little advice to TekDragon: When debating, try and refrain from verbally abusing your opponents. Sticking to facts is typically the best way to solidify your point and show you know what you are talking about. Repeatedly berating your opponent only tends to accomplish a few things... a) Piss off your opponent, b) Imply that you really don't know a whole lot what you are talking about (ie, a surface knowledge), and c) get the thread you are posting in locked due to incessant flaming brought on by your acidic responses.

:)

[Hezzy]

This should be in political debate.

EDIT: Infact, no. Lock this shit up tight. This isn't a debate. This is a name calling session, which was, surprise surprise, started by Tekdragon and his "Sputty go hug kittens or something" remark.

Debating is NOT calling people names because their views differ.

To deliberate on; consider.
To dispute or argue about.
To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
Obsolete. To fight or argue for or over.

[Infernus]

This should be in political debate.

EDIT: Infact, no. Lock this shit up tight. This isn't a debate. This is a name calling session, which was, surprise surprise, started by Tekdragon and his "Sputty go hug kittens or something" remark.

Debating is NOT calling people names because their views differ.

To deliberate on; consider.
To dispute or argue about.
To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
Obsolete. To fight or argue for or over.


Indeed... I thought we had managed to settle all this arguing...

[TekDragon]

If I had the choice in picking which was worse:

1. Making a factual paragraphic post, on topic, with some small flaming attached.
2. Asinine post containing no facts or decent debatable opinions
3. Window watchers bitching about either 1 or 2

I'd have to say 2 and 3 are my least favorite, with number 3 being the worst. Don't come into a forum and cry. Rub some brain cells together and try debating.

[Manitou]

Thank you TekDragon for your much needed input :rolleyes: , you proved my point perfectly... locked. :)