Damn, improvements galore

[0verlord]

Check this shiza out, BFR confirmed, TR maxes fixed, i feel like a fat kid on christmas

TR-
http://psforums.station.sony.com/ps/board/message?board.id=tr&message.id=4453#M4453

VS-
http://psforums.station.sony.com/ps/board/message?board.id=vs&message.id=7315#M7315

NC-
http://psforums.station.sony.com/ps/board/message?board.id=nc&message.id=4276#M4276

And the official post from Spork reguarding BFR's-
http://psforums.station.sony.com/ps/board/message?board.id=psdiscussion&message.id=174188#M174188

wow, im speachless.

[Mag-Mower]

SWEET! New chainguns on the Galaxy For ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111one
Max imptrovents are also nice

damn... no real NC Upgrades...

[Mag]

And the NC get nothing. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

[Hezzy]

Looks sweet.

[Mag-Mower]

And the NC get nothing. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.
i know... its not fair... damn vs and tr get all the good stuff...

[Infernus]

And the NC get nothing. Whoop-de-fucking-doo.

You deserve more? HAHAHAHAHAH thats funny...

[Sputty]

You deserve more? HAHAHAHAHAH thats funny...
Indeed

[Indecisive]

My question, what happened to buffing the burster?

[Doppler]

I just want either a bigger clip or less bloom for the gaus to put it in line with the cycler. I also want a faster activate time on the shield.

[ZionsFire]

"Sweet Bejesus!"

[Mag-Mower]

You deserve more? HAHAHAHAHAH thats funny...
ok, lets see,
Imporvements
NC-2
TR-8
VS-6

:doh: :huh:

[Mag]

NC MAX ability is next to worthless, only works when not firing, and it takes around the same time to charge as a shield on a Lightning. Jackhammer, it's ok, on par with the MCG, however the Lasher is much better for combat in bases. Vanguard, kicks ass. Thunderer, same boat.

[JetRaiden]

wts? are those devs or what? I dont get it.

[Mag]

SmokeJumper wrote it up.

[Indecisive]

Just wanted to add a little backstory, besides saying " OOPS! sorry guys, yall has been fucked and we diddnt notice"


ok, lets see,
Imporvements
NC-2
TR-8
VS-6

:doh: :huh:



Did you ever happen to think that *gasp* the nc was more powerfull then the other two?

[JetRaiden]

Just wanted to add a little backstory, besides saying " OOPS! sorry guys, yall has been fucked and we diddnt notice"






Did you ever happen to think that *gasp* the nc was more powerfull then the other two?

not by that much at all. the NC never really dominate that much over the VS and TR. I dont really care, unless I start to die alot more.

[Firefly]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS??

"i know... its not fair... damn vs and tr get all the good stuff..."

PUT DOWN THE CRACKPIPE PLEASE!!!

Every time there's a balance pass or new patch, you pole smokers ALWAYS get buffs and we get jack and SHIT. Now you have the friggin BALLS to be complaining that you didn't get anything?

Damn. That just takes the cake.

Stay away from my chocolate titties cake from Sputty, btw.

[Mag-Mower]

no, it never occured to me...
We could put it this way too,
NC-0
TR-6
VS-4
The TR and the VS get the same upgrades that the NC do, i dont see that really fair

[F!LTER]

Do you ppl understand the concept of a balance!?!

The devs observered an imbalance between the empires (and no matter how much your dumb ass thinks you know, they are in a much better position to judge these imbalances).

That being said, if they gave ALL of the empires upgrades it wouldnt do much to change the balance would it?

Now I know its a bitter pill for you NC to swallow because you see potent weapons getting a buff and you think "Shit thatz a great gun, wtf are the devs thinking?" (ie the pulsar) but do you ever think that maybe they are blancing other aspects indirectly through weapon upgrades; ever looked at the global pop. on markov? Usually looks something like this whenever i look:

TR 30% NC 38% VS 32%

It doesnt seem like a HUGE difference but if say the TR zerg and NC zerg face off on Searhus theres almost 4 NC for every 3 TR, and you know that 1 extra is the one behind you jackhammering you ass.

Remember balance is a dynamic thing, three perfectly balanced empires may need balancing the next month just because a particularly charismatic and tactically minded cr5 apears in the TR or an extra percent of new subsrcribers join the VS cuz they think the purple armor is bitchin (or maybe your MAXs just suck ass :P).

Edit: yay for math... :|

[Indecisive]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS??

"i know... its not fair... damn vs and tr get all the good stuff..."

PUT DOWN THE CRACKPIPE PLEASE!!!

Every time there's a balance pass or new patch, you pole smokers ALWAYS get buffs and we get jack and SHIT. Now you have the friggin BALLS to be complaining that you didn't get anything?

Damn. That just takes the cake.

Stay away from my chocolate titties cake from Sputty, btw.

I concur. Double on the cake.

[Doppler]

First off, i dont appreciate being reffered to as a polesmoker. Secondly I want you to flip through the update list and show me how theres this huge chain of NC buffs that i just missed somewhere along the line.

Finnaly need i remind you what happened back during the uber lasher phase of the game, where the developers made huge changes to one weapons system, and that totaly threw the balance off among the empires. That is most peoples issues, if they want to make changes to the empires fine, i'd rather they do it in a moderate way over a couple patches then "BOOM" bunch of adjustments this week, one empire just suddenly got signifigantly more powerfull.



WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS??

"i know... its not fair... damn vs and tr get all the good stuff..."

PUT DOWN THE CRACKPIPE PLEASE!!!

Every time there's a balance pass or new patch, you pole smokers ALWAYS get buffs and we get jack and SHIT. Now you have the friggin BALLS to be complaining that you didn't get anything?

Damn. That just takes the cake.

Stay away from my chocolate titties cake from Sputty, btw.

[Firefly]

one empire just suddenly got signifigantly more powerfull.
Uh that would be TWO empires.

And that would be "two empires just suddenly got significantly upgraded to reach the level of the NC".

Stop bitching. It's been a long time in coming for the TR, and I suppose the VS too when you factor in that the NC have been rubbing everyone's noses in their shit and saying "We pwn you with our 1337 indoor weapons of insta-gib".

Have a nice day.

[HawkEye]

Did you ever happen to think that *gasp* the nc was more powerfull then the other two?


Last time i checked/read i thought the NC were supposed to be the most powerful. /shrug

[Doppler]

Really i dont think i've ever said anything about instagib. But hey considering NC improvements are most likely coming to counterbalance this, (call this experience) i dont forsee it being a major issue. My problem whould be the same no matter what empire i was on, the devs try and change too many game stats at once and a mess ensues.

[EarlyDawn]

Last time i checked/read i thought the NC were supposed to be the most powerful. /shrugPoor excuse. Each empire is supposed to be powerful, in their empire specific ways. :rolleyes:

And the NC attitude is tipical in this instance. You are regarded to have MAXes that are equal or more powerful then VS, depending on who you talk to. You have the most powerful HA (Don't gimme that outdoor shit, indoor combat is all that matters for objectives), what's widely regarded to be the best AV because you're protected while using it. Your MA is decent.

On the vehicle side of things, you have the most damaging tank per-hit, an APC that can rape Prowlers with an equal number of crew, and a heavy buggy that eats anything smaller then one of the MBTs alive.

And yet you feel the need to bitch because you don't get as much to feel special for balance patch. Boofuckinghoo, grow up.

It's called balance.

[HawkEye]

well the NC is always getting nerfed. people whined about surge and triple shot. surge got that gay ass weapon has to go away before it activates and triple shot got a delay on it.

[Davik Dakari]

Amen, if you use the pulsar at range as much as I do you would understand the buff too. The pulsar is a great weapon but it only is good at medium to short range and we all know what will insta-kill you at short range (triple shot jackhammer). The VS needed just a few buffs to be balanced in my eyes, mainly with the Quasar. On the other hand TR DID need a big buff and I am glad they got it and for all you bitching at the TR shut your mouths they have suffered enough.

[I Hate Pants]

people whined about surge and triple shot. surge got that gay ass weapon has to go away before it activates and triple shot got a delay on it.and for good reason too


All i can say is SUCK IT DOWN NC MUTHA FUCKAS!!!!!!!

[EarlyDawn]

All i can say is SUCK IT DOWN NC MUTHA FUCKAS!!!!!!!For truth.

[Phaden]

Wow maturity is bursting through here.

But yeh that great about the polesmokers comment, very necesary. But oh well.

About the balance to come, im not to concerned. If you look at the bases count, the VS and TR seem to hold a nice big part of the pie for the last week or so. I seriously dont think its that big of a deal, as i have the same thoughts as you do on HA. i dont enjoy being killed by MCG or Lasher. Typically these days as soon as one is in front of me, i lag and am dead, so im used to it. But you can defeat HA, its called SA. Aside from the personal sheild thing, you cand drop a HA user from range with Thumper or even rocklet if you have height on them. Its not that tough.

But seriously, calm down, i dont think this is going to ruin PS for anyone. Basically the TR and VS are getting what has been deemed fair by the Devs. I think balancing has come a long way since a year ago. The devs have learned how people play, and are compensating for it. If suddenly everyone and there brother popped into PS with Rocklet and spent time on how to use it, people would bitch about it as well.

So in closing, congrats TR and VS on getting your upgrades. I hope you find them suiting and that we can all be on an equal footing.

PS. Now if only we could eliminate spies, empires could actually coordinate Raids again....

[ChewyLSB]

How can you possibly say that the NC MAX's suck. Their special ability isn't the best, but it isn't the worst either. I mean, as far as I can tell, the TR MAX's are the ONLY MAX's with a special ability that actually gives them a DISADVANTAGE. (Ok, the VS MAX's suffer a slight CoF bloom, give me a break). NC cannot claim worst of anything.

ScatterCannon: This is the best AI MAX in the game. Hands Down. You don't think so, your'e wrong. Currently (before the MAX Armor upgrade), it is the only MAX with a lower TTK on a rexo than a rexo with a decimator's ttk on a MAX. Also, these MAX's function well against AV (which is absurd).

NC AV MAX (I currently forget what it's called): As of RIGHT NOW, all of the AV MAX's suck the cock. This isn't the best AV MAX (Comet is the best, it can be used as a support Anti-MAX and Anti-Personnel), but it isn't the worst either.

Falcon: While, once again, not the best, it's not the worst either.

JackHammer: You seriously think this is "on par" with the MCG? Remember, the purpose of ALL HA weapons is combat below the range of about 5 meters. So in a duel against an MCG or Lasher, the JackHammer has a lower TTK than either of them, so that means JackHammer wins. The MCG and Lasher have other uses (MCG has a longer range and the Lasher can be used for suppressing), but that's not the true point of Heavy Assault.

Gauss: All of the MA are fairly balanced.

Thunderer: Yeah, right, like I have to say anything.

Vanguard: If you seriously believe this isn't the best tank... well, I don't know what to say.

Enforcer: Lightyears ahead of the other two buggies. Insta-gibs agiles and leaves rexo's with 5 hitpoints.

Pheonix: While the NC can bitch and moan all they want about how "it's ability is useless in actual combat", it serves it's purpose. This is the ONLY weapon which allows the user to fire from COMPLETE cover, and hit targets. Also, the disadvantage of "not being able to be used at close combat" was negated when dumb fire was added. Basically, it's a decimator which you have to reload every shot after.

[EarlyDawn]

Chewy, I salute you.

[KeviN]

Alright, I play NC and I have to admit that those buffs were definately needed to bring the other two empires up to par, but for God's sake, stop calling the JH an insta-gib weapon.

The triple shot only kill agiles from with about 3-4 meters, and with the usual lag, it's not that easy to hit a moving target, unless you're camping and watching around a corner in third person (Sidenote: Whenever you think an enemy is in the area using this tactic, it never hurts to use third person yourself, or toss a plasma grenade around the corner).

So, if someone does get triple shotted, it's likely they were sniping or crouched up on a hill somewhere and got snuck up on. Chances are, the JH user could have killed you just as easily with single shots, and any other empires' HA would be able to do the same.

But, if you do get killed by the triple shot in the middle of combat; tough shit, don't run towards people with shotguns. :doh:

[I Hate Pants]

But, if you do get killed by the triple shot in the middle of combat; tough shit, don't run towards people with shotguns. :doh:I tried my best not to run into the path of those countless surging jh n00bs coming straight at me. :doh:

[EarlyDawn]

It's pretty difficult to not rush guys with shotguns when they're holding the CC and said CC happens tobe indoors. :mad:

[KeviN]

It's pretty difficult to not rush guys with shotguns when they're holding the CC and said CC happens tobe indoors. :mad:
<3 Thumper

[Meursault00]

JH users camping is easily countered with special assault. Or even a Maels set on the grenade mode, kill all of em. Or hell, even lob grenades in there, and when they come out, take out your HA and take them out.

Generally, one does not take on a CC gaurded with JH users ALONE. And plus, in a base, just use broadcast and organize a simple rush.

There are some tasks that you will find near impossible to take on, and others you will find to be easily completed. Hence the importance of your certifications.

For instance, you will often find me sniping on a hill. Let us suppose you have HA assault. I would be able to take at least half of your health away before you even hit me. It would only be a matter of time before I hit you a second time. Thus, going head to head with a sniper is insane because death is almost gaurenteed.

But if you were a claoker, it would be a different story now wouldn't it. You could easily sneak up behind me and goat me in the ass with your knife huh.

For the record, I carry HA with me as well for cloakers and/or grunts who get too close. So don't try it =D.

Not only that but your implant choice is also important. I find that JH users often have PS on when they're attacking me. I think it's cheap, of course, but I deal with it by taking satisfaction in the fact that ultimately, this person will be dead, and I will have served my empire.

Oh I also have DL for all your lovely cloakers out there who love to go after snipers. Though I havn't met many of you yet.

Conclusion: Pick your fights, use the tools which you are given, and use them to their fullest potential, in the end, you will be the winner.

[KeviN]

^Best post evar^

[EarlyDawn]

Well said, but we all know when the CC needs to be rushed, there's often little time to find someone with the correct certifications.

[KeviN]

Then grab a couple plasmas and toss them in, wait about 5-10 seconds so they will all likely start to heal, then go blow their BANK and Med App asses back to v1.0

[Meursault00]

If there's one thing about Planetside I love/hate it's that sheer number will always conquer the best armed of soldiers. 5 people gaurding a CC will never outlast a CC storm of 9 people.

Or what you could do is have someone throw a jammer into the CC, have 2 cloakers run in, plant boomers, run out, and BANG!

Hence why a 5 man MAX crash cannot retake a tower with 35+ enemy soldiers. Trust me, I've tried.

If sheer number is not enough, then you need some creativity. THe possibilities are endless and at that time and place you only see one. Learn to review multiple possibilites (quickly) and do the best with the resources you are given.

By the way, WE NEED MORE ORGANIZED SQUADS.

[KeviN]

Pfft Meur, you've clearly never had to fight against the Enclave.

[Meursault00]

Well I spend most of my time on Markov, I'm not familiar with the outfit, but they sound deadly. I'm pretty sure they have deadly tactics as well.

Let me put it this way though, you will not often see organized people like that, and even then they can still only take on so many troops. Think about it, they have to reload then they run out of ammo, if they aren't careful, they could all be caught with their pants down. Caught with their pants down, they become an oppotune target for rushing.

Plus, if someone is holding the CC, I'm pretty damn sure a sizeable force will be trying to retake the CC because a hack = check (chess)

[KeviN]

Enclave doesn't wear any pants :ugh:

[Meursault00]

My eyes! They burn! We should get back on topic before we get flamed.

[KeviN]

Meh, it's my bedtime, later.

[Meursault00]

So what do you all think the impact of the MAX armor buffs would be on AV users everywhere?

Edit: Later, happy hunting

[Indecisive]

Chewy, I salute you.
.

[Zatrais]

Changes in plain text by spork (http://psforums.station.sony.com/ps/board/message?board.id=indevelopment&message.id=1227#M1227)

Anyone else find it odd that the post made by spork in the above link clashes with alot of the fluff text? No mention of reduced splash damage for the pounder max for instance....

oh well guess we're gonna have to test it out to find it out but so far its a step in the right direction. The TR are still screwd when it comes to taking out max alt libs by the looks of it, really dissapointing that.

[Real Mulambo]

I really cannot understand the VS going on.......and on.......and on.............and on............about the sodding JH and its instagib capabilities.

I would love to shove one up all your arses and triple shot your innards out your whining mouths.

The fucking lasher can take out all the JH men in a corridor while the JH is just pinging the odd pea off you.

We gotta get soooooooooooo close for it to work effectively that you will in the majority of cases be dead seconds later.

Bring on the flame you pussies.

I do think that the TR AA MAX is a bucket of shite though.

The NC Falcon MAX is also about as much use as a walkingstick with a wheel on the end.

I LUV my SPARROW MAX. 1400 of your whining reavers put down to date. :lol: :lol:

[Lartnev]

I do think that the TR AA MAX is a bucket of shite though.

/me strokes his burster, "there there, he doesn't mean it"

I can't wait for these improvements. No more feeling helpless when inside a dual cycler and no more being raped by deci users..... ahhh happy days

What? I can dream can't I? :D

TR MAXs need help atm. Crying because NC only got 3 updates to their MAXs is a little silly when they need the least help.