Surgile

[Madcow]

So I was playing last night, and remembering the surge supporters talking about the surge nerf being the end of Planetside. As I was playing I was realizing that the surge nerf really couldn't have helped Planetside any more than it did. The game is easily 10x as fun as it was before the nerf. Now when I get killed I feel like somebody either beat me or on occasion I got 'client sided'. I can live with either of those, I figure for every time I get client sided I probably do the same to somebody else without even knowing it. I can't remember the last time I saw a warper that looked like they were purposely warping around the screen, though. The game field is finally as level as it should have been from the beginning in that regard.

[SilverLord]

I agree totally, the surge nerf did do wonders to planetside.

[Lartnev]

:nod:

[Warborn]

The people who complained were really only the people who abused it, so it's easy to understand that some people may not have had the best interest of the game in mind when complaining about the surge adjustment.

[Disconnecting]

Ah yes the surgile brings me back to the days when I had to worry about warping glore.

[Toneball]

besides surgehammering, the thing I'm most greatfull about is now cloakers can't surge through a crouded spawnroom and boomer everyone before anyone knows what's going on.

That always sucked

[Dharkbayne]

besides surgehammering, the thing I'm most greatfull about is now cloakers can't surge through a crouded spawnroom and boomer everyone before anyone knows what's going on.

That always sucked

What're you talking about. That's fun. Well, for the cloaker atleast, :p

[Madcow]

It can still be done, I never needed surge to successfully boomer the spawn room. The only time I miss surge with my cloaker is trying to make it up camped tower stairs. With Surge I could usually lay one nice boomer and set it off before getting blown to bits, now I just get blown to bits.

[Disconnecting]

It can be done but ive only seen it done three times since I played after that patch. Im just glad that I dont have to use my mcg as flak against warpers

[Lartnev]

It can still be done, I never needed surge to successfully boomer the spawn room.

imo, any cloaker who can get that close to an enemy spawn room without surge, deserves to get some kills from a boomer.

[juggalokilla]

i didnt mind cloakers surge-boomering at all, heck, i used it on occasions also, but the surgung fat guys with lashers on secondary(ftramerate drain) severely annoyed me!
My 2 cents are in

[juggalokilla]

sorry for double post, site wouldnt let me edit my last post, so i must apologize for the horrendous spelling errors. I deserve a pimp slap for that one

[Majik]

but the surgung fat guys with lashers on secondary(ftramerate drain) severely annoyed me!

It's at this point I feel the need to point out that Lashers don't have a secondary mode.

[juggalokilla]

i was jokingly referring to the alter effect it has on framerate especially when surging made framerate drops so severe that users would warp all over the place making it impossible to hit up close. it ws exploited and seemed as an alternate way of using lasher, like a secondary mode

[Led]

I miss surge. And before you call me a surgile killwhore, I should first tell you I only wore rexo, and never surgiled.

I miss it because it added a lot of variety. You used to see all kinds of loadouts. Nowadays all you see is the same damn thing. Rexo/HA/pshield. That is it.

Never honestly had a problem with surgile users. Honestly, I loved them. Only took two hammer shots to smack them down ;P

[Lartnev]

If you saw them to hit them :rolleyes:

[Warborn]

I miss it because it added a lot of variety. You used to see all kinds of loadouts. Nowadays all you see is the same damn thing. Rexo/HA/pshield. That is it.

Then this should indicate further issues with the game that need addressing, though I think the crux of the issue is the overwhelming superiority of HA weapons over anything else in virtually every situation where infantry fight infantry.

[Madcow]

It could also be where you choose to fight. Since I cloak and spend a lot of time on the outskirts, I see a lot of Agile, Bolt Drivers, Pulsars, Cyclers as well as AV. They're out there. Then again, if you spend time in a base/tower siege then you're right that you won't see much other than those things.

[321]

You lie! Bring back surge!

[Lartnev]

Then this should indicate further issues with the game that need addressing, though I think the crux of the issue is the overwhelming superiority of HA weapons over anything else in virtually every situation where infantry fight infantry.

To be honest, what's the alternative? I mean half the point of HA is that it IS the superior choice for close up infantry on infantry engagements, and I have no problem with that. That's why it costs 4 certs.

[Dharkbayne]

When you've got HA coming at you, bring the AI MAXes in, when they've got decis on them, bring in the HA users. Simple rock/paper/scissors. Think outside the box, know that no one person will be prepared for every situation. The game is balanced.

[Doppler]

Cept for the maelstorm, weapon cuts through max armor, people, tanks everything, super specialy gay.

[Lartnev]

Well... it does require core combat and an equipment module benefit/locker :)

[Doppler]

I whouldnt even mind if they'd take the secondary mode away and move a similar weapond to Special assault.

[juggalokilla]

should all the heavy weapons have secondary modes like jackhammer? i would like to see some way to empliment something like that where lasher would dump half of the clip like aurora, insta-gib like jackhammers secondary, and something with mcg. I have no ideas on that secondary though, but insta- gib secondary should go around. even vs and nc deli variants have insta gib something. just a though on extra balancing issues since they was brought up here

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[Doppler]

*sighs*

Ok first off none of my characters have HA, and have not for a long time.

The jackhammer has a secondary mode because it is a close range weapon, other then that it is just a slightly faster firing version of a fucking common pool weapon the sweeper. How you can compare HA weapons to the deliverer varients is beyond me.

[Lartnev]

should all the heavy weapons have secondary modes like jackhammer? i would like to see some way to empliment something like that where lasher would dump half of the clip like aurora, insta-gib like jackhammers secondary, and something with mcg. I have no ideas on that secondary though, but insta- gib secondary should go around. even vs and nc deli variants have insta gib something. just a though on extra balancing issues since they was brought up here

Changing things for the sake of it is a really bad way of going about balancing.

[juggalokilla]

I just mentioned the deli variants due to the insta gib ability that they have. why bring insta gib to nc and vs, but not tr? Why the tr have no insta gib anything is beyond me. some of us would like that power. Thats why i think all heavy weapons should have an in-yo-face insta kill ability. The jackhammer primary mode fits nc theme for high power weapons and the jackhammer didnt need the secondary but it doesnt bother anyone cause it needs to be in your face to kill cause of the bad accuracy. so why are we forced to eat away with lashers and mcgs at all distances. The tr have nothing that one shot kills. thats why some people, especially newcomers, leave for nc, or vs, to have that.

balance means you get insta-gib, we get insta-gib, not some get it, some dont. i think jackhammer is good without secondary. heavy weapons are, at least tr and nc, faster and larger clip sized than their med assualt counterparts. N.C. triple-shot is fine to add but add different uses for others also. Even if its 50% faster fire with far less accuracy for mcg and the pre-mentioned lasher fire half clip. Neither would do much damage beyond say 3-5 meters. It would add more use for them, but only certain situations and the versatile nature would make them more preferable to new folks that try tr. and they wont quit cause they want that versatility of their heavy assualt. i think a lot of us stayed cause of our pretty outfits. im growing bored of getting underdogged by other empires getting better equipment.

[Baneblade]

I miss it because it added a lot of variety. You used to see all kinds of loadouts. Nowadays all you see is the same damn thing. Rexo/HA/pshield. That is it.
That's funny, tell another one.

Used to be Agile/HA/Surge.

Rexo users were in the minority, it was even to the point that people would use Phoenix with Agile and that is pretty bad. Now Rexo is up there with HA as a primary Infantry cert as it should be.

[Dharkbayne]

*sighs*

Ok first off none of my characters have HA, and have not for a long time.

The jackhammer has a secondary mode because it is a close range weapon, other then that it is just a slightly faster firing version of a fucking common pool weapon the sweeper. How you can compare HA weapons to the deliverer varients is beyond me.

I'm pretty sure the sweeper actually does MORE damage than the JH. Atleast it used to.

[Lartnev]

I think they're equal damage but the sweeper has a tighter spread.

[Doppler]

Forgive me for the paraphrase.

Wah! I have no skil, so for "balance" i not only want greater range but i also want "in yo face" insta-kill

First off since your tank 1 shots people, you do have somethign that instant kills (its not "gibs" because no body parts fly, this is a T for Teen game.

Second off you get forced to "eat away with lashers and mcgs at all distances." Thats just the smart thign to do, if had a guy coming at me with a shotgun, and could kill him from the tower wall with the MCG, or kill him while he hides behind a tree with the lasher, i'd do it in a second. Say it with me, the primary fire on a jackhammer is comparable to the sweeper save it has a larger rate of fire, besides i did some checking, a TTK of .9 seconds on an agile at point blank with the MCG and 1.4 on a rexo is not half bad for the MCG which will eat a jackhammer user at range.

Basicly all your little "alternate fire" scenario are mostly just a replacement for lack of skill on your part. If we gave jacks and lashers instant kill in addition to all their other qualities that whould hardly be balanced now whould it, but obviously that doesnt come into play with your "teh are nerfing mah l33t skilz" mentality.

[Rbstr]

I agree Surgile nerf owned, but i stil htink that MA shoudl still be allowed out

[juggalokilla]

I never noticed the prowler was i shot kill. dont use it too often, apologies to you. My ideas where only to attempt a balance by giving all empires the same ability of their HA. I didnt want an mcg secondary that could insta-kill at 10 meters, just at face to face. I have changed my mind about it though. I thought more on it and agree though when an mcg user runs into a jackhammer user, by the time the jackhammer is at an effective range, mcg has wore 30-50% of his health armor so they need that power to compensate when they finally can engage the mcg user.

It would be a little screwed up to have an mcg user run at you, use say40 rounds, have you at half health then secondary you dead before you could attempt to do any damage to them. I played my nc against tr on morkov to compare the style before i went any further. I guess ill just stay happy with a locker of jackhammers and maelstroms to give my Ha love some variation.I was just irritated after a day of fighting where over half my deaths where one shot kills from thunders, vanguards, jackhammers, and auroras.

I feel better now. All except doppler's comment on my "lack of skill". Pretty fu$#ed up. Have you seen me on the field? Probably not. Come play nc/vs on emerald, I'll see you at my 20 meters with my rexo/mcg/striker/psheild and will be eating away at your face.

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