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BonnieDundee

2003-02-07, 11:00 PM

I think that we could have had a few fewer questions that had already been answered by Dave a couple of days before.

For instance:

"What armours can use a bolt driver?"

We knew this.

"What is the advantage to wearing standard (vest) armour over other armours?"

We knew this. Dave had answered the exact same question days before.

There were a few more, but I'll leave those for now. On another tack, I had two people who were new to PS who were answering questions before Dave was, since the answers were so obvious.

But hey, I'm sure you'll amuse the newbies, since many of them won't have heard much info and will assume this stuff is new. So kudos for a decent dev chat.

Credit where it's due, those commercials were very funny :)

Navaron

2003-02-07, 11:02 PM

I think we could have done without dicks with penis envy coming over and trying to bash hamma. You'd think they would have gotten it right when they had their little text excursion. I guess some people are slow learners.

BonnieDundee

2003-02-07, 11:05 PM

Keep deluding yourself. You're not worth my time.

Navaron

2003-02-07, 11:08 PM

If this conversation continues between you and I, it will be in pm's because I don't want to dilute the quality of PSU with the likes of you and your elitist attitude.

The simple fact is, you came here. You started pissing and moaning. You HAD and oppurtunity to do a better job. You didn't. If you can't handle that, then I think we see the root of your problem. You're just gonna keep coming back and point out the flaws in others, when you're the one with the log in your eye.

�io

2003-02-07, 11:10 PM

Yeah much :love: to Hamma and staff and dev team.

A very very special shoutout to eMa and Vicchio, glad to see the IRCops weren't playing like last time! Welcome to the dark side young padawans. :p

Hamma

2003-02-07, 11:19 PM

I'll say this, PSU didnt flame CrazyMike and PSI for their efforts. I think we deserve a little respect here for putting on this event. Our question list was narrowed from 300, of those 300 we added some that we already knew the answers to. Especially those relating to snipers and bolt drivers, they are hot issues.

Anyway - thanks for the kind words everyone. And I sincerely apologise for some of the tech issues we had.

Navaron

2003-02-07, 11:27 PM

Hey,

Someone else said this, and I'll repeat it. Murphy's law. Simple as that. Murphy's just a dick.

<===============#3 <--- hamma = the big man

Thanks alot!

Ezcactus

2003-02-07, 11:50 PM

I think it went over pretty well. Tho I did get irritated by a lot of the repeat questions, we did learn a few new things . The commercials were great. I can't say I was a big fan of some of the music ;)

Great job Hamma & crew, you sure did a better job then i could have done.

Nohimn

2003-02-07, 11:55 PM

I missed it (again).... did anyone record it? :(

Sputty

2003-02-08, 12:21 AM

:hug: Hamma and :love: to all the PSU crew. Thanks for setting this great event up and giving us such a gift.

MrVulcan

2003-02-08, 12:47 AM

:cheers: HERE HERE!!! Great interview, the tech stuff was no big thing!

Thanks Guys for your hard work on that interview! I enjoyed it a lot!! :D

I loved that TR and PSU ads!!! I hope that they will have them for dl! That was sweet (eh bubba) lol Well, we now know what the TR is all about lol!!!!

GREAT interview!!! GREAT ads!!!! :D

Congrats, and thanks for the hard work guys!! :rock:

-MrVulcan

=)

CrazyMike

2003-02-08, 01:10 AM

Woah there boys.. how about you both take a cold shower.

Navaron to be honest, your thread is asking people what they thought. If all you expect is good comments then you expect too much. Bonnie is entitled to state his opinion. I will say this though, Bonnies comment towards you wasn't needed. Of course you didn't exactly shy away from an excuse to start a whole "Us vs Them" thing either. As far as I'm concerned the both of you look like a couple of school yard children.

I couldn't be around to listen to the chat but I hear it had some technical issues and that some people weren't happy with how the whole thing came off. I say boo hoo for them. If you haven't taken the time to bring something new like this to the community then you should STFU and sit down. This goes for those people who would take any opportunity to critisize Hamma for the shoutcast or even myself for the IRC chat.

Despite the efforts of a lot of people there is no "us vs them" thing. I'm not sitting over in IRC plotting against Hamma and I have faith that he's not doing that either. We're just one community who has a few vocal people who love to stir up shit. They are either too lazy or too stupid to organise something like this themselves so they have to try and bring those that do down.

Good job on the shoutcast Hamma. I'm sure you've learned a lot for the next one.

CrazyMike

Sputty

2003-02-08, 01:21 AM

He as trying to say that the shoutcast gave no new info. It gave lots. The majority of the questions gave new info. Lots of things were speculative and almost assured by others but there was no dev response. bonnie was basically lying for some reason. He also openly attack PSU which was uncalled for, unnecessary, and just wrong. Why would he go and attack another fansite of the same game? Also, I think everyone learned alot from it and for him to come on and so those types of things was just undiplomatic. Also, whle in IRC someone named BonnieDundee was spamming alot which is jsut sad. You'd think he'd nderstand what Hamma and the staff was going through to set this up. Also, "a few more" out of over a hundred questions isn;t very many. If it was only a few why didn't he post them? I think it's sad and basically(I wouldn;t sue penis envy as the tern but it;s fitting) Nav was 100% right. There's a difference between disliking something and just being jealous almost. I just find it odd hed post something like that

Format

2003-02-08, 01:29 AM

LoL, i cant believe im reading this. Putting these interviews together isnt a simple process, and recognition and gratitude should be given to those who do them. Both recent interviews gave the public some new insight into the game, and thats what counts. Now, lets all realize that and go on drooling over PS. K? :love:

Madfish

2003-02-08, 03:38 AM

I haven't heard the interview yet... fell asleep in my chair!! heh.

Can't comment on the shoutcast therefore, but even if it was full of stuff we already new (hypothetically), it was a superb job getting it together. Good job PSU!

I've been sulking around the PS site since 2001... and I have to say CrazyMike and Bonnie are some of the most respected people in the community I know. Anyone calling anyone a DICK for any reason when they've given an opinion they were asked to give is OUT OF ORDER.

Bonnie's just alittle hurt about the treatment of the european / uk community concerning beta (I know I am). I don't want to start on that subject, but it still hurts we aren't mentioned after all our support from day dot. Not only that but it was 01:30am when he heard it all, so he's bound to be operating at a diminished capacity!

Sputty

2003-02-08, 04:13 AM

Did you hear what Bonnie(BTW, CrazyMike didn't say anything bad about PSU so this isn't directed to him in any way) basically said about PSU? "Amuses the newbies". I mean, tht makes no sense. He's supposed to be promoting and helping PSU not openly bashing it as if he has some immediate superiority. If he's angry with the treatment of Europeans(PS is treating it better than most gmaes) then why attack Hamma? Why not post something stupid on his own site? Bonnie wasn't stating an opinion but just getting an excuse to attack PSU. It's sad when a community "leaders"(they are that) attacks another for no reason except, basically, jealousy. We wouldn't have minded some decent things like "The tech probs were annoying" but saying no new info was given was jsut a lie. So much unknown info was given out it's great. Also 2 questions plus "a few" hardly makes a difference(The questions were hotly debated so people wanted to rest those debates) and there were over 100 questions. The PSU staff spend hours hand picking really good questions. He also tried to say alot of info that was given out earlier in HIS dev chat(of course, even though, very little info was given out) on IRC(so it was easier, but slower and more spammed and annoying) was less that I hoped for. Alot more people had that complaint as I heard in the channel. But eh decides since PSU got more info he has to flame Hamma and PSU personally and try to amke himself sound better. I think as I said earlier if he had put up good reason in a non-flamed contet(Not calling PSUers "newbies" and PSU old news) maybe we could've said "that's a valid reason" but he didn't. He came on and just insulted Hamma, The whole PSU staff. PSU itself and everyone who uses PSU. "Credit where it's due, those commercials were very funny" was the worst part. Now he jsut says the whole dev chat was bad and useless. I find that pathetic and un-apologitcal

BonnieDundee

2003-02-08, 08:02 AM

I'm not going to go to a full argument here. If you feel like posting anything you want a reply to, e-mail is the place for it.

I will say this though. The text dev chats were never "mine". So don't say that they were. All the credit for those is CrazyMikes.

Joker

2003-02-08, 08:12 AM

I haven't heard the shoutcast yet and am greatly looking forward to hearing the recording. Kudos to Hamma and all at PSU for once again providing a great service to the PS community. :D

As for Bonnie Dundee's comments, I don't see why they were interpreted as a flame or an attack on the PSU staff. As far as I could see, he gave credit for the interview, and stated his opinion. Sure his opinion was critical, but it was constructive in that he did not simply say the interview was bad, he gave reasons, and suggestions as to the way it could have been improved (try not to ask questions which have already been answered)

PSI's recent IRC devchat had its own problems (discussed in a thread on the OF). Having people tell you what they did or did not like about a service you provide, or something you create, is a postive thing, and the feedback allows you to provide better and better service.

Anyway, can't wait to hear the new info, keep up the good work.

Cheers

MrVicchio

2003-02-08, 08:47 AM

I am going to say this, and I am going to step back:

Those questions we asked were taken over a period of time BEFORE either interview went down. So if there were a few "redundant" questions.. that is to be expected.

Yes, we had a 5 minute techinical difficulty, but as Murphy's Law states: "Anything that can go wrong... will"
But thanx to our great staff and support, we cleared it up and were back on air with some great stuff.

Props to Hamma and Marsman "The Detriot Radio host with a Maine Accent" for pulling that off.

Navaron

2003-02-08, 09:13 AM

PSU, PSI, PSC,

There is a misunderstanding. My comments to BonnieDundee do not apply to what he has posted here in the forum. CrazyMike, I also would like to say that I in no way would like to put down your efforts or create and us vs them thing.

However, my comments referred to Bonnie's childish behavior in IRC. It may be in your interest to get a transcipt of the chats to see how poorly and childlishy he represented you and your site. He had nothing new to offer, and simply insulted the shoutcast, it's listeners, and psu until the point where he was banned from IRC.

I personaly told him the same thing as you, that when he produced and arranged a better shoutcast, to do so, and I would listen, but untill then not to knock hamma for his efforts. I was dissappointed to think that someone as immature and irresponsable as that could be considered a leading figure in the PS community. Fortunately, the rest of the leaders such as CrazyMike, HTS, Hamma, Marsman and so on, are of a much finer cut of cloth.

Thankyou,

Navarone

Zatrais

2003-02-08, 09:55 AM

The fact than someone even consideres to actually bitch and moan over irc dev chats, shout casts, whatever is mindboggeling to me...... The devs are taking time to answer questions that the community has asked to the guys running the major sites.

When you think about it, its even amusing in a sad way... Guys bitching over something they get for free from other people kind enough to go thrue the effort of making it happen

Keep at it Crazy, Hamma, Mars and you guys.. I and the majority of the community love the chats and the info we get... good job =)

Edit:

Personally i enjoyed the clear ups S made about Europe, the servers here and the release. I was really worried that someone else than SOE would run the servers in Europe til yesterday.

The Shrike

2003-02-08, 12:18 PM

The music was great and the commercials were better... the answers outstanding... i just have one question..... why did i get banned for 1 day? I was warned not to ask my question about dual monitors again and I didnt but i was banned anyway.... and low and behold it was the first open question asked to Dave.... go figure..... anyway.. no hard feelings... see you in the beta (hopefully)

The Shrike

2003-02-08, 12:27 PM

I would like to say that i was most dissapointed that flying will require little or no skill... I thouroughly enjoy flying in BattleField 1942 and have honed my skills at it. I think that They should consider adding flight dynamics to the physics model if not by release then certainly as an upgrade in the future. It would add so much to the game.

Zhor_Prime

2003-02-08, 01:11 PM

who writes your commercials? i thought they were very well done and acted out as well as incredibly commical (you shot me in the buttox! :p)

overall i think that all the people did a very sweet job putting this together and you all deserve a big atta-boy!

Hamma

2003-02-08, 01:14 PM

In my mind this just proves that there are 2 sections of the community which are night and day. PSU didnt head over to PSI and start flaming mike for his efforts. I commend those who attempt to unite this community. Its unfortunate there are more people who will never accept PSU for what we have made it.

You're loss.

That is all I am going to say on the issue, thank you everyone for your good comments. :D

GhostSniper

2003-02-08, 01:22 PM

it was awesome, great work :D

Hamma

2003-02-08, 01:38 PM

For the record the time I had to get up and go afk, my server provider was calling :p

CrazyMike

2003-02-08, 02:50 PM

In my mind this just proves that there are 2 sections of the community which are night and day. PSU didnt head over to PSI and start flaming mike for his efforts.

Ok I'm going to make my point and then leave this be.

- PSI didn't organize the dev chats. I did. Me, myself, and I. It was my idea to start doing them and I approached Dave on the concept that doing them would be good for the community. So if anything they could be called the #planetside chats or something. There is no rivalry between PSI and PSU over the chats because PSI has nothing to do with them.

- Hamma even you need to pick your words more carefully. Saying that "PSI" headed over to flame you denotes a planned effort on thier behalf. This just isn't so. Yes I have no doubt a couple of people (or maybe more) did this. They weren't, however, representing an entire community when they did it. Labeling all the people for the faults of a couple serves no other purpose than to divide this community and it just isn't fair to those people who want to feel a part of an entire community and not just parts of it.

CrazyMike

�io

2003-02-08, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by Hamma
In my mind this just proves that there are 2 sections of the community which are night and day. PSU didnt head over to PSI and start flaming mike for his efforts. I commend those who attempt to unite this community. Its unfortunate there are more people who will never accept PSU for what we have made it.

You're loss.

That is all I am going to say on the issue, thank you everyone for your good comments. :D

Any community will always get attacked by people at one time or another, you just have to try and ignore them and move on. The important thing is we thought it was great as well as i'm sure many peeps who came in from PSI or official forums. :)

Navaron

2003-02-08, 03:30 PM

"Saying that "PSI" headed over to flame you denotes a planned effort on thier behalf."

That's not what he said at all. He didn't even imply it, he stated that PSU didn't go over to PSI and flame during your efforts.

"Labeling all the people for the faults of a couple ..."

That's not the problem. The problem is that a well recognized member of a website decided to come here, and insult the efforts of hamma and marsman. This is the same as if eMa or Afex, or someone else came over and flamed all through the dev chat. Communities are protective of their leaders. You certainly understand that. I believe that PSU members would have received a similar response if they had of mocked your efforts with your dev chats.

The point is, that it shouldn't happen either way. But, when it does, it is up to the leaders to repremand their respective members. Otherwise, your silence presents the appearance that you agree with their statements. It becomes guilt by association, whether that is fair or not.

I am sorry you see me as a child on a playground for pointing out the childish behaviour of one of your members. I think it would behoove you to put a leash on him, because it is obvious that he does represent your part of the community, at least in the eyes of this offended party.

I harbor no ill feelings towards any of the sites, however, I do have harsh feelings and intentions for people of every PS community who seek to tear down the hard work of others. This certainly extends to the PSU forums.

I am saddened to see that one childish member can damage relations between the same community. What bothers me more, however, is that apparently he has a ticket to ride.

Kukanil

2003-02-08, 04:15 PM

I really dont see what was so devilish about bonnies comments. I know alot of the questions being redundant wasnt PSUs fault (no clue that they would be answered in Mikes chat), and bonnie still gave congrats and all that jazz, etc. Just wondering.

Azhreal

2003-02-08, 04:20 PM

Guy's let's give hugs and go about our way please ok? I have followed this game for far too long to see anything happen between the community over 1 person posting a line of text on a forum. I will personally apologize for every single person who has wronged you in your lifetime if you will drop and forget this trivial matter. It gave me a good laugh when the chipmunks came on and I posted that in the thread bonnie posted, but does anyone say anything about that? Nope.

It is sad that just because someone is a more exposed member of a community that you must take greater offense to it then if it was just some February 2003 newbie. If it wasn't bonnie who posted this we would not be having any kind of argument over this at all. Drop the PSI vs. PSU bullcrap , stick your tail between your legs and stop discussing this before someone says something they regret. PlanetSide will have a fantastic community reguardless of anything that happens between now and release. It is human nature to spit off a comment about something you find funny or feel that failed in some sort of way, so shrug it off and accept the fact that sh*t happens. If you want to help the situation then STOP posting, that's really all there is to it. DROP this entire discussion and go about our normal anxiously waiting PS beta lives, and keep clicking refresh on your e-mail inbox. The last thing I want to see happen is this turn into something like PS vs. TW. We are the same freakin community for gods sake, so let's play nice and save the hostility for release.

TeamR

2003-02-08, 04:26 PM

You know, its kind of funny. The gamesnet crew do come and raise some valid points in a non hostile fashion, but was anyone in gamesnet #planetside the night of the shoutcast interview? It was very gut wrenching the things these guys say out in the open about PSU, Hamma, and the dev chat in general. Thats why I kind of laugh at all this. I think bonnie and whoever else should just keep their comments to themselves. Suggestions or not, just leave it alone. Lets face it, both communities wont be breaking bread at the same table anytime soon. Just accept it. Let the gamesnet, psi guys do their thing, and let the psu guys do their thing.

End

RocketFodder

2003-02-08, 04:29 PM

A lot of you seem to be a little mis-informed, so I'll help:

-PSI is PlanetSide.info, run by Treize. They're at www.planetside.info. They don't have anything to do with Bonnie, Mike, or me.

-#planetside on irc.gamesnet.net is not affiliated with any site. We're just fans. We don't favor PSI, we don't discriminate against PSU, we just sit there in our often almost anarchistic neutral ground and go at it. You'll find I'm probably the most critical of all against PSI, as Treize can attest to.

-Mike has hosted all the irc dev chats, as he mentioned. Bonnie was no part of it, and I don't think you have any right to go flaming Mike saying he "had the opportunity to do a good job," and whatever else. Mike thought it would be fun, so he did it. Noone was charged admission, and he didn't ask you to like it. He just said "hey, stop by if you feel like it."

While Bonnie's post on the OF was perhaps a bit more scathingly cynical than the rest of you would care to hear, if you guys are truly so "superior" to all other communities, then I can't imagine why you are vehemently flaming everything in sight.

It's just a little frustrating when there is so much info out there that some people don't know about. On PSI, on PSU, on the OF, on gamesnet, on psu irc, there's loads of people who are just completely clueless as to how much we know about this game. If these so-called "community leaders" would drop their petty confrontations and instead focus on the better of the community, information could spread much more easily. For instance, there were plenty of logs to the recent IRC devchat available from loads of different people. One was even a member of some CS clan. Why wasn't there ever any link on PSU going to a log? Why didn't anyone from PSU care to log it themselves?

This mentality of competition has gotten so out of hand, it's almost borderline passive censorship. If you'd all link to all the info everywhere, then maybe people would KNOW the answers to some of those questions. That way we wouldn't have to repeat ourselves in chats like this, and maybe we'd get to dig up some new stuff on those answers we already have. Unless, of course, PSU doesn't consider IRC chat info "news," in which case I don't know what to say.

I'm sure none of you cared to hear this, and you might not want to be better informed by reading all there is to know. I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just trying to offer an idea that could help everyone. If you want to flame, go ahead and knock yourself out. I won't be reading any replies to this, so email [email protected] if you want to give me some comments personally.

CrazyMike

2003-02-08, 04:37 PM

CrazyMike = #planetside on gamesnet

CrazyMike != PSI, PSU, PSL or anything else.

Thank you for your time.

CrazyMike

Lexington_Steele

2003-02-08, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Kukanil
I really dont see what was so devilish about bonnies comments. I know alot of the questions being redundant wasnt PSUs fault (no clue that they would be answered in Mikes chat), and bonnie still gave congrats and all that jazz, etc. Just wondering.
Don't be so quick to fault repetition.

There was atleast one question that seemed redundant where the answer taught me something new about planetside.

I thought "Oh god" when they asked the question about communication between empires. That seems like the most noobalicious question ever. However, I learned that when a member of an enemy empire is close by and uses a macro'ed chat command, you hear it.

There is so much planetside information scattered over so many places that it is very eash to miss a single article, chat or developer post. I like the the idea that information will end up in multiple places so that if I have overlooked some obscure post, I haven't missed out on crucial planetside info.(and every single piece of Planetside info is crucial ;) )

So I wouldn't fault redundant questions.

Flashingfish

2003-02-08, 04:50 PM

/me sighs

Stop. The. Hate.

�io

2003-02-08, 04:56 PM

I don't recall anybody saying PSU was "superior".

Also Bonnie's comment here may not have been so bad but his actions during the actual chat were. As Crazymike said
If you haven't taken the time to bring something new like this to the community then you should STFU and sit down. (...) They are either too lazy or too stupid to organise something like this themselves so they have to try and bring those that do down.

Bottom line i agree with the Fish. :p

Hamma

2003-02-08, 05:31 PM

eh, its not just Bonnie's post here that got everyone upset. It was his flaming and such on IRC during the chat. Most of you guys did not see that.

I am tired of all this and moved on several weeks ago. Seeing myself and my staff constantly get flamed in gamesnet got sort of old. Maybe if some of you "enlightened" some of us over here at PSU the same questions would not get asked over and over.

My staff and many people I know will tell you how much effort I have put into trying to merge everyone here. But my efforts are in vain, if people are not willing to open up to new things.

Mike I never said you were PSI.. but PSI is generally where you and most of the people on gamesnet hang out. Most of the people here dont even know you guys, because you never made the effort to "expand" the community yourselves.

This is my last post on the issue, and if it contines to go on and on I am locking the thread. Because I know it will lead nowhere. And I am fresh out of ideas :(