View Full Version : so a 2-man tank can be effective with 1?!
thegame109
2003-02-08, 06:30 AM
"You can switch between weapons as a driver or have gunners. Main turrets do have SOME splash damage but are mainly for tanks so will be less useful against infantry."
Does this mean it's like battlefield 1942 where you can change positions in the tank so that 1 guy could use a 2 man tank effectively?,i mean if i was the driver i could stop and change to the gunner by pressuing a key?
PLEASE clear this one up if you know guys!!
THX!
Ludio
2003-02-08, 06:33 AM
SmokeJumper wasn't very clear, but it appears that is what he meant.
thegame109
2003-02-08, 06:38 AM
This would make me VERY VERY HAPPY and instead of making a max i'de go all out vechles if this is what he means?!
Sputty
2003-02-08, 07:10 AM
Wel, yo'd either be 8unable to fight back or unable to moive. Either would equal your death if another tank or a Reaver came by.
Warborn
2003-02-08, 08:50 AM
I thought the driver controlled the turret automatically, a la BF1942. Even if he doesn't, no big deal. Switching between the main gun and driving with artillery in BF1942 wasn't too bad, and I think I'd much rather do the moving and firing myself rather than rely on someone else to do the gunning.
Sputty
2003-02-08, 09:05 AM
For the heavy tanks there's a gunner/driver. For the lightning it's like BF1942. BTW, I think that people who do try to use the Hevy tanks alone will probably die when met with a 2 manned.
thegame109
2003-02-08, 03:49 PM
Hey dave can we get a word from you on his buddy?.
TheGreatCarbini
2003-02-08, 03:58 PM
I think he just meant the lighting, like when he was talkin about why some vehicles use arrow keys and some use mouse, its because the lightning is a one man tank and needs control for driving and guns, where as the vanguard can have a gunner and the driver can keep his eyes on the road. I don't think one person could drive and shoot with a tank like the vanguard at the same time, maybey if he switched seats, but then you sacrifice movment and your just a big flat turret.
Arshune
2003-02-08, 04:07 PM
I think he meant that tanks can be used by just one person, but a gunner would make things a lot more efficient. With a gunner, the driver doesn't have to turn his view and won't end up accidentally driving off a cliff while trying to aim at something, and since the gunner would be concentrating exclusively on aiming there'd be a lot fewer missed shots. I think this because he said the driver of a tank can switch weapons, but he didn't say it could switch positions.
It wouldn't make sense if you can do it a la BF1942, they are trying to make PS a very team oriented game, allowing 1 guy to do the job of 2 defeats that purpose. Either i won't mind. :)
no, i doubt it means that.
in some vehicles the driver controls multiple guns.
you can switch between them is all he's saying
Arshune
2003-02-08, 07:44 PM
People switch to gunnery positions on planes in flight in BF1942 all the time, once you get the timing down it's not hard to switch, fire, and keep going without having a horrible crash.
Arshune
2003-02-08, 07:47 PM
I really wish that this question would have been asked in the interview or that it had been made more clear...now we have to wait until the next interview/preview to find out for sure. :tear:
OmnipotentKiwi
2003-02-08, 07:58 PM
My view on it was he basically was saying this:
IF you can use the main turret as the driver, you can switch from the turret to a secondary weapon.
Meaning, if the driver initially couldn't run a gun and drive in the specific vehicle, they couldn't switch.
I would have loved to ask if there will there be PtP cards for PS for those without access to a CC but forgot about it during interview. :(
OmnipotentKiwi
2003-02-09, 01:38 AM
They said there would most likely be a way to play without a credit card.
CyricMoonblade
2003-02-09, 02:33 AM
Hmm i think they mean more like in most MECH game like MechWarriror or Heavy Gear 2 where you can use keys for Leg (or the wheels of the tank) movement (WASD Foward, Turn Left, Back, Turn Right) and use the mouse for torso movemont and aiming..... Just how I think it would be done for a One man tank option.
Arshune
2003-02-09, 05:13 PM
That'd suck if the big tanks absolutely need 2 people to be used effectively. Sure, it's logical to assume that with thousands of players on a server it won't be hard to find a gunner, but why would someone who wants BEP get a certification in a tank if all they can do is drive it around? Plus, you don't know that whoever volunteered to be your gunner will actually be good at gunning. Or what if you agree to be someone's gunner and they drive into a lake? I know the tanks would be great for groups since everyone gets the same BEP, but what about if you want to fire your tanks guns and no one in your group is certified to actually drive it?
Sputty
2003-02-09, 05:14 PM
You could joiin an outfit, play with firends, get to know people in PS....alot of choices are apparent....
I dont think it would be a big deal if you had to press "2" to switch to gunner to be able to fire. Besides, IRL tanks dont fire their main guns while moving.
Venom
2003-02-09, 07:46 PM
Originally posted by Mopo
Besides, IRL tanks dont fire their main guns while moving.
this game is not real life.
Arshune
2003-02-09, 07:56 PM
IRL tanks have crews of about 5 people, but that doesn't mean wrangling 5 players in BF1942 for a tank would have been fun. There seems to be a few minor details of the game that work against the dev team's "extreme action" philosophy, most notably the tank thing. Waiting for a gunner on a tank slows things down and takes more action away from the player who wants to use the tank. Oh well, if it is, it is and if it isn't, it isn't.
Sputty
2003-02-09, 07:58 PM
They COULD use a lightning if they can't cooperate
Arshune
2003-02-09, 09:13 PM
Bah, who wants to use an itty-bitty tank when they could potentially have a really really big one?
Nomikahn
2003-02-09, 09:17 PM
Matters what the situation is, and which tank you would use. I definately like the fact of the Galaxy carrying a Lighting.
Kyonye
2003-02-09, 09:37 PM
It would only work with a tank though. no buggy at all.
Shark
2003-02-10, 09:24 AM
I'm thinking that a driver could switch positions, but at the cost of being a sitting duck as previously mentioned. Also, M-1's DO fire on the move...it's one of their greatest strengths. My real question is the Vanu tank...that big gun looks like it's controlled by the driver and appears to only have movement up and down, but not side to side. This means that to be effectively aimed, the tank IS the turret. The small turret on top is for a second gunner manning the AI gun(s), but that main gun looks like a big beamer that the driver fires by pointing the tank. This may be the route I go, and hopefully I can find a good gunning partner.
-shark
Shark
2003-02-10, 09:25 AM
Also, I'd like to know if BEP's are shared by the pilot and gunner, regardless of whether or not they are in a squad.
Sputty
2003-02-10, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Shark
. My real question is the Vanu tank...that big gun looks like it's controlled by the driver and appears to only have movement up and down, but not side to side.
-shark
That's a ram I believe. The cannon isn't truely 100% turreted I bthink. Maybe like the RTR tanks.
OmnipotentKiwi
2003-02-10, 11:26 AM
That's a ram I believe.
:drools: :D :love: party: :bouncy:
YAY!
Kyonye
2003-02-10, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by OmnipotentKiwi
:drools: :D :love: party: :bouncy:
YAY!
yup
Shark
2003-02-10, 01:03 PM
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/viewer.php?img_id=168
that's not a ram...makes no sense for the lightest armored tank to have to ram another tank...that's all gun brotha
-shark
Sputty
2003-02-10, 01:12 PM
HEh, makes no sense for the "lightest"(All empire specific tanks are the same. Heavy tnaks) to have the biggest gun. That's ram. SJ said.
Heh our TR tanks will blow up that Mag before it's ram even gets close.
OmnipotentKiwi
2003-02-10, 01:14 PM
Big gun, ram, statement still stands:
:drools::D:love: party::bouncy:
YAY!
Shark
2003-02-10, 01:18 PM
I was unaware that statement was ever made by SJ...perhaps you could point out where I might find it. My understanding was that the Vanu tank was more lightly armored than the other two faction tanks, but somewhat faster and more maneuverable, also with the ability to strafe (side to side movement). I seem to recall (somewhere on the official forums I beleive) that Rogue13 has confirmed it to be a gun and that the driver controls it...I'll try to find the link. Afterll, if that's a ram, and all the tanks are the same, then can we assume that the TR and NC tanks also have "rams"?
-shark
Kyonye
2003-02-10, 01:20 PM
it is a ram. look closely (not that close) and you will see that it doesn't have a hole where any sort of weapon can come out of. its flat on the end of it. its ram all the way.
Kyonye
2003-02-10, 01:23 PM
if you think about it, you could actually place 2 infantry just below the cannon. when the mag starts moving, the gun will hold them in position and it is raised on the side so they will have to be lifted up and off. does make for easy killing. mag is a big target. one hit form a cannon of any sort and your gone.
Shark
2003-02-10, 01:41 PM
if that thing is a ram then that tank is useless, unless the other gun is dual purpose anti armor, anti infantry...i could find nothing on the official forums stating that it's a gun or a ram, but most over there seem to believe it's a gun
-shark
Sputty
2003-02-10, 03:13 PM
From what SJ has told us in the dev shoutcast lasers can easily be switched from AP to AI.
Arshune
2003-02-10, 03:32 PM
It can't be a ram because they specifically stated that kamikaze tactics would be ineffective for the most part. Why would they put something to facilitate kamikaze-style tactics if they specifically stated they wanted to discourage that kind of thing? Besides which, not too many rams have big holes in the middle. Go look at the concept art and look at all the screenshots of the mag rider you can find, it should be pretty apparent that it's a gun, or at the very least, a useless protrusion that happens to LOOK like a gun.
Sputty
2003-02-10, 03:36 PM
Who said anyhting about it being Kamikaze? The point of the ram is taht you can hit people and knock them around, damaging them with your superior speed while being untouched. I think the magrider si the perfect tank for that. It's fast so it can ram well.
Arshune
2003-02-10, 03:46 PM
Look at the model, it looks like it's on a vertical turret. Why would a ram be able to pivot up and down?
OmnipotentKiwi
2003-02-10, 08:30 PM
If it can pivot up and down, I would imagine buggies would be somewhat lower to the ground then a HOVER tank.
Also, rams aren't kamikazi, they are hit and run.
vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.