3 empires...many confusing points...

[HolyFalcon]

Ok maybe this question was answered already and maybe its in another website but I could not find it. Could anyone (if the information is is present) please straighten out by telling me the advantages and disadvantages between the empires and just straight facts. Everywhere I go its biost toward or against one empire or another. (including main websites).........thanks a lot

[Saint]

Well the MAXs say it all

VS: Armor sacrificed for mobility

NC: Nothing sacrificed for firepower and a shield

TR: Mobility sacrificed for firing speed

[Warborn]

What makes you think that TR sacrifice mobility? They seem just as mobile as NC.

[TeamR]

Originally posted by Saint

NC: Nothing sacrificed for firepower and a shield



That would be Firepower sacrificed for protection

[TeamR]

Originally posted by Warborn
What makes you think that TR sacrifice mobility? They seem just as mobile as NC.

When they attach themselves to the ground for added firepower, they lose mobility (obviously)

[Acurais]

Saint is wrong the NC sacrifice mobility for firepower.:cool:

[Flameseeker]

VS= Fast
NC= Heavy Damage
TR= Fast Damage

[TeamR]

Originally posted by Acurais
Saint is wrong the NC sacrifice mobility for firepower.:cool:

your wrong too. When the max shield is activated the firing rate is decreaed by 50%

NC MAX sacrifice firepower for protection

[Saint]

I wasn't aware of the 50% fire rate, did a dev say this or are you guessing?

[Hellsfire123]

its funny how fast we get off topic in these. To tell you the truth there is no better empire. Vanu have technology, TR have speed, NC have brute force. Pick the one thats right for you.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by TeamR
When they attach themselves to the ground for added firepower, they lose mobility (obviously)

Yeah, that's just the MAX, and I don't think the guy wanted to know just the differences between MAX units.

[TeamR]

Originally posted by Saint
I wasn't aware of the 50% fire rate, did a dev say this or are you guessing?

the 50% is a popular guess, but the decreased rate of fire is official. It doesnt deplete stamina, so there has to be an actual reason for turning it off :D

[TeamR]

Originally posted by Warborn
Yeah, that's just the MAX, and I don't think the guy wanted to know just the differences between MAX units.

In that case, your still wrong. None of the empires really sacrifice mobility, but the vanu do have a few advantages in that area.

[Arshune]

The 50% fire thing was confirmed by a dev somewhere I think, and as for reasons for turning it off-its on a power source that eventually gets depleted (not sure if it recharges or not).

Also, here's how it looks to me:

TR=infantry weapons have more ammo, faster RoF, but low damage. Probably will be the best at indoor combat because their MAX could stand at the end of a hallway, root to the ground, and then fill the corridor with weapons fire. Their tank has 2 cannons on it, so I assume it fires them alternately for a greater RoF (in keeping with the "theme" of the empire).

NC=pretty much everything is a shotgun or is attack power oriented, so it's logical to assume that RoF is slower for balance. Their tank has the biggest gun on it.

VS=jack-of-all-trades syndrome. Their weapons don't need to switch clips to do AP damage, their tank and buggy can strafe (I think I read that somewhere, someone check up on that) and their MAX can jump over walls and onto buildings.

So it'd be more like NC-power, TR-speed, VS-versatility. That's how I see it, anyway.

[Zetre]

here's how i think of it.

TR- fast firing weapons, and probably the most powerfull attack wise all in all because of high firing rates and stuff, looks like they are moderately quick, these guys look like they will be the all around dudes in the game.

NC- Very powerful, very armored, and probably slower. Look at their tank, big, armored, and a really big gun, and then their maxes have big guns and sheilds. They also seem to have many strategic abilities. The pheonix makes you able to deliver a huge payload without even being exposed to the enemy, the guass is probably one of the best long range guns, and the jackhammer, well, you just need to see the picture to understand that http://planetside.station.sony.com/images/weapons/Jackhammer_lrg.jpg

VS- Quick, and very strategic, but not well armored. They have the jumpable maxs, and hover vehicles. They can switch amo quickly. And all of their empire specific weapons can do cool Sh!t. They have a massivo beam cannon which probably hits almost instantly, a gun that fires bullets that do splash damage while moving through the air, and a frickin homing automatic cannon on the max. But if you look at their armor, then you'll notice that the max is kinda skimpy, and their normal armor looks like spandex.

[Zetre]

well, that's strange, since most people had confilcting ideas, but whatever, mine's right obviously, so... yeh :)

[SandTrout]

You want just the facts? Here they are.

Terrans have massive rate for fire, and therefore probably best damage overall. Their MAX can plant to the ground for double fire-rate, but saccrifices mobility and line of fire(can only turn 60 degrees I believe.) Their tank has 2 main guns and 2 chainguns.

New Conglomerate favors high per-shot damage, which is embodied in their common use of shotguns. Their MAX has the ability to activate a shield that drains its power, and halves its RoF. Their tank has the largest gun in the game and 2x 20mm guns.

The Vanu use beam weapons that are currently assumed to have less recoil(while still some). All their weapons use 1 type of ammo and normal and AP shots and dont require you to switch clips. Their MAX has less armor than the TR and NC MAXes, but is faster and has a jump-jet ability that can launch them into parabolic flight. Their tank can strafe, but little is known about its weapons currently.

[Hellsfire123]

Where do you get the idea that high rate of fire means more damage? ill bring up the obvious differences from CS. TMP vs pump shotgun but with no headshots. Who do you think will win this? Even something more powerful like a p90 and the shotgun will still win.

In any case, all you can do is try them yourself. Im gonna go NC becuase im a huge fan of shotguns. But there is no definate stronger empire. If your a fan of lasers go vanu. If you like brute force and shotguns go NC. If you cant aim and need a high rate of fire go TR...j/k

[Warborn]

Originally posted by TeamR
In that case, your still wrong. None of the empires really sacrifice mobility, but the vanu do have a few advantages in that area.

Yeah. Funny thing though, I never said any of the Factions sacrifice mobility. Maybe you're thinking of someone else.

[Zetre]

hellsfire, think of it this way
get a person with 10000 health in CS, and then get a pump shotty and a P90. Now who do you think would kill the person first. My money is on the P90, or the auto shotty if it's in there. sure the shotty does a lot per shot, but it takes forever to pump.

[Kyonye]

Originally posted by Saint
Well the MAXs say it all

VS: Armor sacrificed for mobility

NC: Nothing sacrificed for firepower and a shield

TR: Mobility sacrificed for firing speed

you obviously are an NC freak. they have sacrificed something. every empire has a sacrifice.

[Zetre]

well, that's not necisarily true, but i see what you're saying. I bet they move slow or something. I personally think that the ability is kinda stupid though. It'll be usefull, but i think that the TR ma ability is far more creative

[HolyFalcon]

:eek: Wow thanks a lot guys from your input. I just left it for one day and I had NO IDEA would generate this much of a response. Even though some of the facts are different, I found what I was looking for but by all means keep talking......stalls time until the beta :party:
(Still dont know which empire I am going to pick though...all sound pretty good for me, guess I need to wait and see)

[Zetre]

everyone is pretty much right except for saint (who has some of the facts right, but, overall, isn't really accurate or precise) I also think that everyone is sorta jack of all trades, i really don't think the vanu are the all arounds. I think they are fast and powerful but really easy to take out. And NC aren't only about power and shotguns, they seem to also be about range and strategy with the pheonix and the guass. Of course, i'm psudotalkingoutofmybuthere, but that's what i think so there.
I do agree with the max thing for the most part. NC-big, powerful, clunky, shielded, slow
TR-fast firing, powerful, quick, armored, all around looking (no extreme weakness)
VS-very quick, pretty powerful weapons, but they are slow moving, and low armor.

[Duritz]

Zetre, I KNOW that you know that the Vanu MAX is the fastest.

[Zetre]

if you're being sarcastic, then i'm just saying that it seems to be the most manuverable, with the jump jets and all. If your not, then yeh, thanks

[mistled]

Originally posted by Hellsfire123
If you cant aim and need a high rate of fire go TR...j/k Yep... the only reason to have a high rate of fire instead of powerful shots is because you can't hit anything. ;)

[Duritz]

VS-very quick, pretty powerful weapons, but they are slow moving, and low armor.
Well, I was being sarcastic because you said that they were fast and slow in the same sentence.

[Flameseeker]

Originally posted by Zetre
NC-big, powerful, clunky, shielded, slow
TR-fast firing, powerful, quick, armored, all around looking (no extreme weakness)
VS-very quick, pretty powerful weapons, but they are slow moving, and low armor.
Where are you getting this? :confused: Point me to where it lists TR and NC max speeds as being faster or slower than each other? Actually NC has less armor. It goes on the guesstimate VS=650, NC=750, TR=800. TR weapons fire fastest, the max fires faster when clamped down, so it would be slower right? TO maintain a good rate of fire it would inch forward and clamp down? The NC has the shield, making it fire slower. It makes it the opposite of the TR. Sorta. Slow? Clunky? I just wanted to point out that I ahve never heard these describing the NC max before.

[BCR]

To make the differences as simple as possible

TR = Rate of fire
NC = Strong slow firing weapons
Vanu = Mobility

That's it in a nutshell. In the end product all the empires will be as powerful as each other, and comparable weapons will do roughly the same amount of damage over the same period of time, whether it be in a single shell, a hail of small shells, or an energy beam.

[Jaged]

Whatever you do, dont choose VS.

[DiosT]

I think people are discoutning the vanu MAX's ability to junk too much...

It means, vanu MAX's dont have to use the front door, they can jump over the walls instead, based on the gamespot, i think, movie, the bases are fairly open, with entrences on the top of the base(or, exits from within)...

and the towers, the 5-story towers have a balcony on the 3rd fllr, only the vanu MAX will be able to 'jump' up there, which negates the anti-TR/NC idea of 'guard level 1 and no max's will get up top'... so Vanu MAX's can jump to the 3rd level, or to the 5th level, and take the base from several points of fire...


Yes, they are 'weaker,' but Vanu MAX's are THE BEST on offense, but WEAKEST on defense (In my opinion).. TR & NC Max's have good firepower/defensive capabilities, but they lack the exterme mobility, which is, by itself, a huge hit ;-P

again just my opinion.. I'm aware TR or NC max's could 'galaxy' in, but thats a 1-shot deal =p

[Zatrais]

Only MAX i'd run as pointman into a base is the NC MAX whit shields up.... anny other situation i'd wait for a tank to do in......

Annyways, heres my take:

TR: Fast rate of fire, medium damage (most their weapon say medium damage not low), decent accuracy and most raw armor. Probably the empire whit the slowest overall speed due to more armor.

NC: slow rate of fire, heavy payload pr hit or high damage, decent to good accuracy, tad less raw armor than TR but maybe a tad faster overall... vanguard abit faster than the prowler for instance.

VS: medium rate of fire, medium damage, best accuracy, very little recoil. Fastest empire but lighest armored (not lightly armored). Got a huge advantage whit only having 1 ammo type that can be AP and normal. Howering vehicles allowes for more routes to take and should be quite nice to have in a swamp continent where non hovering vehicles can drive off the shallow water and sink. Crossing river and such will be nice too.


p.s
By raw armor i mean raw armor points, not counting shields.