[Album] American Idiot - Green Day

[Squeeky]

One of my favorite artists (next to Alk3). Great music. This album is pretty awesome, check it out: :D

http://www.mtv.com/music/the_leak/green_day/american_idiot/

[Fragmatic]

Just had a quick listen to it via the mtv site.... it's pretty good, but sloppily produced.

[Hydralisk]

I bought it a few days ago. Pretty nice. I also LOVE the new Breaking Benjamin album... :D

[ViperGTS]

Eh....

[Hezzy]

One of the easiest greenday guitar riffs ever.

[Fragmatic]

One of the easiest greenday guitar riffs ever.

hitchin' a ride :p

[firecrackerNC]

Its ok I guess. I dled a few of the songs but im not really impressed.

[Triggar]

I heard a sample from their album. Martyr summed up my thoughts perfectly:

"Wait, that was new music??"

[SDM]

I heard a sample from their album. Martyr summed up my thoughts perfectly:

"Wait, that was new music??"
indeed :doh:

[Neon Apocalypse]

for some reason i just don't like green day

[Navaron]

Some bands need to die in plane crashes or bus roll overs. Green day is one of those bands.

[Ivan]

I heard a sample from their album. Martyr summed up my thoughts perfectly:

"Wait, that was new music??"
Don't get me wrong, I like Green Day. But you�re right. It's nothing really new. But you also have to remember, most bands find a sound and keep it, usually it the record company saying, "Well the last album sold well, make a new one but just like it cause it's going to sell well too!" And when bands refuse that's usually the end of them. But every band has their sound wither the record company is forcing them to do it or not.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Green Day makes me vomit

[Hydralisk]

ObFrog whenever I see your avatar I lose all concentration on reading the thread and eventually forget what the whole thing is about because my mind is so focused on that little frog hopping back and forth. :love:

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Which is why I get away with all the retardation.

[Jekz]

Exact same thing as a dozen other bands. :/

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Exact same thing as a dozen other bands. :/


By that I assume you mean the generic pop-punk retardation that is the current monopolized MTV trend, next to angst rock and hiphop. When I first heard them on the TV (was on the computer at the time) I thought they were Good Charleotte/Simple Plan/any of those other bands before it actually said Green Day.


And Jekz, for having your favorite band be the infinate pit of teen sadness exploitation known as linkin park you have remarkable criticism of the 2 other genres of MTV.

[SDM]

I like Beer Hall Polkas.

edit: and banjo death rock

[FearTheAtlas]

I must be "main stream", but I like it.

[Squeeky]

This isnt pop-punk you retards.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

OK, then what is it?

Other than shitty, of course.

[Heavygain]

Greenday is pretty good, not one of my absolute favorites, but i like em. I think i will actually BUY this album, but maybe not.

[Fragmatic]

This isnt pop-punk you retards.

:rolleyes: you're kidding, right?

[Spider]

Green day is Alternative/Punk band... I'll always remember the day I bought Dookie... good times... good times...

[Fragmatic]

Green day is Alternative/Punk band... I'll always remember the day I bought Dookie... good times... good times...

they are pop punk, end of.

[Heavygain]

Im sorry, im kinda in a rant mood but....

All ive heard from PSU about music and anything thats ever been aired on MTV even once is "OMG ITS ON MTV! ITS POP! AHH!" and thats just fucking queer, yes i understand mtv is the core of all people with no originality but some good bands have been put into them too, i mean my god, if fucking muse got tossed into mtv you would have a pissy fit and quit liking them because its "unoriginal" thats really fucking stereo typical. modest mouse was adopted by mtv now you all hate this shit, get over it, you cant really stop a company as big as MTV from eventually having a piece of everything. seriously, stop the shit. Isnt that what all bands actually want? fame? fortune? so basicly your saying, anything more successful than the band on your local rock station is pop? what about when that band on your local rock station outgrows it and gets to that point? its pop once its to that point?

fuck you all,
Heavygain


ps. i still love you... sorta

[ObnoxiousFrog]

they are pop punk, end of.


I am actually agreeing with the hardxcore britland rawker here. And if anyone knows the true meaning of angry music, it's good old Fraggums.

[Arctik#2]

Im sorry, im kinda in a rant mood but....

All ive heard from PSU about music and anything thats ever been aired on MTV even once is "OMG ITS ON MTV! ITS POP! AHH!" and thats just fucking queer, yes i understand mtv is the core of all people with no originality but some good bands have been put into them too, i mean my god, if fucking muse got tossed into mtv you would have a pissy fit and quit liking them because its "unoriginal" thats really fucking stereo typical. modest mouse was adopted by mtv now you all hate this shit, get over it, you cant really stop a company as big as MTV from eventually having a piece of everything. seriously, stop the shit. Isnt that what all bands actually want? fame? fortune? so basicly your saying, anything more successful than the band on your local rock station is pop? what about when that band on your local rock station outgrows it and gets to that point? its pop once its to that point?

True...

[Setari]

Im sorry, im kinda in a rant mood but....

All ive heard from PSU about music and anything thats ever been aired on MTV even once is "OMG ITS ON MTV! ITS POP! AHH!" and thats just fucking queer, yes i understand mtv is the core of all people with no originality but some good bands have been put into them too, i mean my god, if fucking muse got tossed into mtv you would have a pissy fit and quit liking them because its "unoriginal" thats really fucking stereo typical. modest mouse was adopted by mtv now you all hate this shit, get over it, you cant really stop a company as big as MTV from eventually having a piece of everything. seriously, stop the shit. Isnt that what all bands actually want? fame? fortune? so basicly your saying, anything more successful than the band on your local rock station is pop? what about when that band on your local rock station outgrows it and gets to that point? its pop once its to that point?

fuck you all,
Heavygain


ps. i still love you... sorta
well it seems to me like after a band "hits it big" on MTV then the quality of that band's music starts to plunge. Honestly i wouldnt mind if my favorite band got onto MTV as long as the music doesnt start sucking.

[Squeeky]

Agreed Heavygain.

and Taking Back Sunday is on MTV, and they pwn me.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Im sorry, im kinda in a rant mood but....

All ive heard from PSU about music and anything thats ever been aired on MTV even once is "OMG ITS ON MTV! ITS POP! AHH!" and thats just fucking queer, yes i understand mtv is the core of all people with no originality but some good bands have been put into them too, i mean my god, if fucking muse got tossed into mtv you would have a pissy fit and quit liking them because its "unoriginal" thats really fucking stereo typical. modest mouse was adopted by mtv now you all hate this shit, get over it, you cant really stop a company as big as MTV from eventually having a piece of everything. seriously, stop the shit. Isnt that what all bands actually want? fame? fortune? so basicly your saying, anything more successful than the band on your local rock station is pop? what about when that band on your local rock station outgrows it and gets to that point? its pop once its to that point?

fuck you all,
Heavygain


ps. i still love you... sorta


OK, wait.

Pop is a genre of music. Pop is not some kind of like fungal growth that happens from coming in contact with MTV. Pop punk is a sort of bastardization of punk guitar chords mixed with a lighter overall tone, ala NFG. Green Day, from what I can surmise from listening to them as of late, are pop-punk. Even before this, when they were still on MTV, I would probably call them alt, definately not full-on punk though.

Also, your point on Modest Mouse is stupid in general. My issue with MTV now airing stuff from Franz Ferdinand, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and Modest Mouse is that they seem to be taking a few semi-known post-punk mod rock properties and wave them around as their "cool kid" property. They called MM "newcomers" despite them being around and making records for 14 years. So my problem is with MTV breaking its normal genre borders, adopting semi-obscure music as its own, then not even giving a shit as to where these bands came from as long as it changes public opinion for the network. I still love MM, the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and Franz Ferdinand, the problem I have is inherantly with MTV's conduct with them as properties.

[Heavygain]

My point is frog, that before they are aired on MTV people considered them punk, now they become pop-punk, i find that bullshit, the only band ever aired on MTV that didnt get the rep ive seen is Cold. But i havent really heard anything of them ever since they were on MTV. I see no problem with people simply stating that they dont like the band, but its just bullshit for their reason being that its "Pop-punk"

In other words your telling me that all the bands you named including greenday started up in hope of someday being considered "pop" or some hybrid like "pop-punk"? i really doubt that.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

My point is frog, that before they are aired on MTV people considered them punk, now they become pop-punk, i find that bullshit, the only band ever aired on MTV that didnt get the rep ive seen is Cold. But i havent really heard anything of them ever since they were on MTV. I see no problem with people simply stating that they dont like the band, but its just bullshit for their reason being that its "Pop-punk"


They became pop-punk because they changed their genre of music from alt to pop punk. You can be both indie and pop punk, whatever exposure yuo get doesn't change what music you play, either you or production companies do. Bottom line is that Green Day BECAME pop punk, It was not imposed upon them by MTV or the tastes of the MTV generation.

[Heavygain]

Dude, they were playing the same type of music two years ago. They didnt change their shit for MTV, or anyone else, they let themselves be broadcasted through mtv, i dont really have much against MTV, i just dont like the fact that they decide what is popular and good and whats not, MTV developed taste in them and all that did was bring MORE success to them.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Dude, they were playing the same type of music two years ago. They didnt change their shit for MTV, or anyone else, they let themselves be broadcasted through mtv, i dont really have much against MTV, i just dont like the fact that they decide what is popular and good and whats not, MTV developed taste in them and all that did was bring MORE success to them.


Well than blame the market for being over-saturated with similar music. Back when Green Day was all there was for their particular sound, they were shuffled into alt. Then, as of late, a whole lot more bands came out sounding like that and sounding the same quite a bit, so they were forced to place a new genre on them. Considering the trendwhoring of the punk resurgeance combined with the fact that they were lighter fare music-wise, they decided on pop-punk. Green Day is now coming back into a field where their music has already been broached into a category thanks to the army of pop punk that is already out there. And by the way, the success of a band realy doesn't matter to me, I just think that Green Day and its more contemporary subsidiaries suck really bad.

[Heavygain]

Alright, whatever man, im not gonna sit and waste time on argueing on a stupid subject, gotta go get ready to leave anyway.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

vick tore E blood eagle

[Heavygain]

Not quite my friend. Your saying that because there are so many more of the bands now, that they are no longer alternate? and have broken off to make a new genre called "pop-punk"? thats just fucktarded my friend, so basicly when a new band witha n orignal sound comes out and is considered say, rock, then more bands come out with a sound pretty close to it, it becomes "pop-rock"? then why dont we have "pop-country" or things like that? If you really want to continue this argument i have plenty more reasons, im just fucking sick of the fucking retardedness.

[EarlyDawn]

All this classifying irritates me. Their music is unoriginal, and that's end of story for me.

I've always thought they were unoriginal.

[snowwolfe]

Rob Zombie for teh win.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Not quite my friend. Your saying that because there are so many more of the bands now, that they are no longer alternate? and have broken off to make a new genre called "pop-punk"? thats just fucktarded my friend, so basicly when a new band witha n orignal sound comes out and is considered say, rock, then more bands come out with a sound pretty close to it, it becomes "pop-rock"? then why dont we have "pop-country" or things like that? If you really want to continue this argument i have plenty more reasons, im just fucking sick of the fucking retardedness.


OK, wait a second again here. What I'm saying is that back when Green Day was relatively original, they were shuffled into the alternative bracket because there realyl was no good word to broach them. So, they sort of fade out for a little bit, and during that time, literally in 6 months, a slew of bands who all, if what you're saying about Green Day sounding the same throughout is true, who sound like Green Day pop up. This causes a bit of a problem in that now this style of music has come into a genre of itself, so rather than now being "alternative" it has dominated the popular music scene in a relatively short time. The thing about this music is that, at its core, it uses the guitar chords used in almost every punk song ever, but the songs themselves are of lighter fare. So, "pop punk" is just a combination of the use of guitars in a manner similar to punk with a more widely accepted song structure.

And, the current "country" music is indeed pop-country. True country music is bluegrass in the vein of what you'll hear on the Oh Brother! Where Art Thou? soundtrack. I to could continue to explain how this came about, but basically GD came back in a time when their style of music already had it's own tag.

[Spider]

Rob Zombie for teh win.

That's like saying you like Slipknot...

[Xanthos]

yeah the song is cool...i heard it a couple of days ago but it has terrible recording quality

i dont get Goths.......all the goths at my school r **** and i like making fun of them

[JetRaiden]

yeah the song is cool...i heard it a couple of days ago but it has terrible recording quality

i dont get Goths.......all the goths at my school r **** and i like making fun of them

:rolleyes: thanks for making the world a better place... :fu:

[firecrackerNC]

Yeah his comment was childish and all. Yet I do agree :( Goths piss me off. They want death and talk about death. So if they wanna die they should just kill themselves already and make the world a better place. Remember if your a goth, its down the road not across the street.

[snowwolfe]

That's like saying you like Slipknot...

Rob Zombie and slipknot sound nothing alike. Zombie is alot older also. And no im not a goth.

[Jekz]

And Jekz, for having your favorite band be the infinate pit of teen sadness exploitation known as linkin park you have remarkable criticism of the 2 other genres of MTV. Well, who ever said hypocrisy was wrong? :)

[Hezzy]

i mean my god, if fucking muse got tossed into mtv you would have a pissy fit and quit liking them because its "unoriginal" thats really fucking stereo typical.

:huh:

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

Muse have been on MTV. Muse played at one of MTV's concerts. Do I still like Muse? Yes. The reason why? Because Muse is a band that is always original. I've been an avid fan of Muse ever since their concert at Le Zenith.

How dare you question my loyalty to Muse? You've made a wrong assumption with that quote Heavy. Admit it. A very wrong assumption, which I take the upmost offence at.

EDIT: Don't talk to me about originality. You like Slipknot and Greenday. Be gone.

[oddfish]

i listen to music that works for my mood.

i don't listen to music that falls into a genre because i believe that i personally fit into that societal slot.

basically, i think that it's just people's pretension and horribly strong desparation to set themselves apart from others and elevate their own status in the minds of their blindest friends taking hold when someone starts bashing a form of music because it's not one thing or too much of another. It's music. It's not meant to please everyone, it's meant to please the people who like it.

Some people bitch about pop punk because they think the bands "sold out" or "changed for an image." Well, go fuck yourselves. They evolved and you didn't, so find a band that suits you and enjoy their music instead. The band's aren't playing for YOU they're playing for the people who enjoy them and come to see their music. They're not going to "revert back to the old ways" just to make you feel all tingly inside just like when you bought their first CD.

I will admit that there's a lot of generic shit coming out, but if you listen closely to the lyrics it's not always that generic. Mostly it's just the sound that seems the same, and the undertone of the lyrics that are applied. But, in reality, lyrically all songs are very different and though they convey a similar feeling they say it in a different fashion. Just like, someone could have a similar artistic style as VanGoh, and not ever convey the same message/emotions he did with his art. It may look sorta the same, but in reality, it's worlds apart. Don't rip on bands for sounding alike, they sound that way because they're playing to an audience that likes and chooses that sound. Rip on bands for not writing their own music. THOSE are the ones who need to be shot down. Bands whose only talent lies in their ability to do nothing more than grin and show off their bodies for the camera, lip sync, and dance like they have a bunch of bugs in their ass.

I will admit, it can be frustrating when you listen to one band, put in another CD by a totally other band, and you think to yourself: "i thought i changed the CD!" But, that's just the way the industry works. You find a niche and you sit in it. That is, if you want to stay alive. THe music industry is vicious and certainly not matriarchal. It does not baby the stragglers and try to nurture them to health amongst the greater herd. It says, fuck off, you lose. Then they die.

Plus, the proliferation of bands in one genre is going to cause some overlap. It happens. What you do is choose a band with a sound and personality that fits you. That's why a lot of these bands end up making it. They're personality and sound just seems to hit a chord with some people (pun seriously not intended, i hate puns).

Let's be serious, do you see bands like Green Day and Taking Back Sunday all over the new like Britney Spears and like Ricki Martin once was? No. Because they don't play for everyone to like them, they perform to entertain the audience they know their music is specifically designed for.

Then again, it's not my place to tell anyone to stop bitching, but i can certainly lay down some logic for you before you start saying: "FUCK THAT BAND, MAN! THEY'RE FUCKING JUST LIKE ALL THEM OTHER BANDS OVER THERE, MAN!" But, like i said, i can't make you see it my way, i can just hope you have enough sense to be able to understand the way this system works. If you don't like their stuff, don't buy their CD. But, don't bash their sound because they're something that you thing they should be something else. THey are what they are. Pop-punk is pop-punk. And it is, in fact, a sound, NOT because they got on MTV, for anyone who thinks that. Poppy music has that: I'M NOT A LOATHESOME HATEFUL PERSON overtone to it. It's more based on stuff that doesn't make us think about killing our neighbor/girlfriend/teacher/mail man. Anyways, balloons and caterpillars for all. :cheers:

[Heavygain]

i listen to music that works for my mood.

i don't listen to music that falls into a genre because i believe that i personally fit into that societal slot.

basically, i think that it's just people's pretension and horribly strong desparation to set themselves apart from others and elevate their own status in the minds of their blindest friends taking hold when someone starts bashing a form of music because it's not one thing or too much of another. It's music. It's not meant to please everyone, it's meant to please the people who like it.

Some people bitch about pop punk because they think the bands "sold out" or "changed for an image." Well, go fuck yourselves. They evolved and you didn't, so find a band that suits you and enjoy their music instead. The band's aren't playing for YOU they're playing for the people who enjoy them and come to see their music. They're not going to "revert back to the old ways" just to make you feel all tingly inside just like when you bought their first CD.

I will admit that there's a lot of generic shit coming out, but if you listen closely to the lyrics it's not always that generic. Mostly it's just the sound that seems the same, and the undertone of the lyrics that are applied. But, in reality, lyrically all songs are very different and though they convey a similar feeling they say it in a different fashion. Just like, someone could have a similar artistic style as VanGoh, and not ever convey the same message/emotions he did with his art. It may look sorta the same, but in reality, it's worlds apart. Don't rip on bands for sounding alike, they sound that way because they're playing to an audience that likes and chooses that sound. Rip on bands for not writing their own music. THOSE are the ones who need to be shot down. Bands whose only talent lies in their ability to do nothing more than grin and show off their bodies for the camera, lip sync, and dance like they have a bunch of bugs in their ass.

I will admit, it can be frustrating when you listen to one band, put in another CD by a totally other band, and you think to yourself: "i thought i changed the CD!" But, that's just the way the industry works. You find a niche and you sit in it. That is, if you want to stay alive. THe music industry is vicious and certainly not matriarchal. It does not baby the stragglers and try to nurture them to health amongst the greater herd. It says, fuck off, you lose. Then they die.

Plus, the proliferation of bands in one genre is going to cause some overlap. It happens. What you do is choose a band with a sound and personality that fits you. That's why a lot of these bands end up making it. They're personality and sound just seems to hit a chord with some people (pun seriously not intended, i hate puns).

Let's be serious, do you see bands like Green Day and Taking Back Sunday all over the new like Britney Spears and like Ricki Martin once was? No. Because they don't play for everyone to like them, they perform to entertain the audience they know their music is specifically designed for.

Then again, it's not my place to tell anyone to stop bitching, but i can certainly lay down some logic for you before you start saying: "FUCK THAT BAND, MAN! THEY'RE FUCKING JUST LIKE ALL THEM OTHER BANDS OVER THERE, MAN!" But, like i said, i can't make you see it my way, i can just hope you have enough sense to be able to understand the way this system works. If you don't like their stuff, don't buy their CD. But, don't bash their sound because they're something that you thing they should be something else. THey are what they are. Pop-punk is pop-punk. And it is, in fact, a sound, NOT because they got on MTV, for anyone who thinks that. Poppy music has that: I'M NOT A LOATHESOME HATEFUL PERSON overtone to it. It's more based on stuff that doesn't make us think about killing our neighbor/girlfriend/teacher/mail man. Anyways, balloons and caterpillars for all. :cheers:


Now, if i could only learn to express my thoughts as well as him.

[Kuraltai]

i listen to music that works for my mood.

i don't listen to music that falls into a genre because i believe that i personally fit into that societal slot.

basically, i think that it's just people's pretension and horribly strong desparation to set themselves apart from others and elevate their own status in the minds of their blindest friends taking hold when someone starts bashing a form of music because it's not one thing or too much of another. It's music. It's not meant to please everyone, it's meant to please the people who like it.Amen brother! :cheers:

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Now, if i could only learn to express my thoughts as well as him.

I did what he did, only in a 5-installment plan.

[Kaltagesta]

I listen to NFG, Blink and mother-fuckin' Busted, and am damn proud.

[oddfish]

I listen to NFG, Blink and mother-fuckin' Busted, and am damn proud.


hey man, if that's what you like, then that's what you like ;)

Blink and NFG have space in my esteemed MUSIC folder. i listen to a lot of shit like that. it sounds good to me when i'm in a certain mood. but then, i also listen to a lot of rap and shit like that, too. here's what's currently on the playlist: Everclear, Weezer, Foo Fighters, Authority Zero

tomorrow it may be Snoop, Dre, Trillville, Chingy, Lil' John, Usher, Luda, and Eminem.

the way i see it, listen to what you like and try to be open minded about what other people are into. If you don't like a certain brand of music, well, you're entitled to your opinion. i dunno, just be open minded. not everyone thinks like you. ;)