Universe theory question.

[Hydralisk]

I read in a book today that the universe is expanding at some crazy rate like 1000 light years a second or something similar. It said that the solar systems and their planets would keep spreading apart(Causing an ice age) then start more rapidly scrunching back together until it gets EXTREMELY tiny, and start the whole process over again.:huh:

I found the read pretty interesting(would quote it for you if it wasn't out of a book...). I was wondering if you guys had found any other interesting stuff or made up your own theories about universe expansion...:):love:

[JetRaiden]

Ive heard about this theory, pretty interesting,considering if everything was expanding at an equal rate we wouldnt be able to notice it.

[Smaug]

Yes, the universe is expanding at an increasingly faster rate. There is a supposed 'dark matter' iirc that combats gravity constantly in the universe. When the big bang happened, the dark matter's expanding property overtook gravity for just a millisecond, and all this matter exploded. Now the universe is so far spread apart it may never come back together. I think thats correct? Its been a while since I've read about this stuff.

[Onizuka]

1000 light years a second is faster than the speed of light.

So i ask you, wtf.

[Baneblade]

Yes, gravity is trying to pull everything together, and eventually it will.

The whole Big Bang thing isn't as far fetched as it sounds. And nowhere does that include spontaneous progeneration.

[Octavian]

1000 light years a second is faster than the speed of light.

So i ask you, wtf.

The universe is an interesting place, very confusing, so get used to it.

[Baneblade]

Relativity comes into play here as well. Everything expanding at the same rate would also include time, so basically nothing is happening that will matter.

[Wraithlord]

did you know that the refugees from Atlantis are living under Mt. Shasta in northern california?

[Jekz]

Um... did Atlantis move without them?

[Solendon]

That dude in the wheelchair, Professor X, no.... Christopher Reeves.... No..... Damn it I can't think of his name.

Anyhow, he just recently changed his stance on Universe expansion. He used to think that gravity from matter in the Universe would cause an implosion and everything would start over again. Another big bang, another Universe. It was an intriguing idea because right now, this moment, could be the billionth billionth iteration of me typing this very message and you reading it.

But that sadistic bastard changed his mind. So now he thinks everything will continue to expand. Which means there are no second chances, now will never happen again. The shitty world we live in is all there ever will be, which is kinda depressing.

STEVEN HAWKINGS! That his name. He can suck my universe.

[Baneblade]

Implosion? No, that would only happen if the force working against gravity left altogether and then there would never be any expansion.

[EarlyDawn]

Yeah, this is an interesting theory because it brings a lot of variables in... Quantum Foam, Anti-Matter, Relativity, Gravity, and our purpose in the universe.

[Solendon]

Implosion? No, that would only happen if the force working against gravity left altogether and then there would never be any expansion.

No, like a rubber band. Everything explodes in the big bang but the matter produced did not reach escape velocity so it eventually implodes again.

Like throwing a baseball up in the air. Imaging that on a astronomic scale. You throw that baseball hard enough it will fly into space. Same thing with the big bang, big enough explosion no implosion billions of years later.

But with the current thoery, the eggheads decided to introduce some invisible effects. Darkmatter. Guess one has a healthy imagination when Dungeons and Dragons is your life. :rolleyes:

[Baneblade]

Problem with the rubber band is it doesn't explode, so the analogy is flawed.

Do you suppose that there is a balance that the forces are trying to maintain? That it is possible that the universe could find Limbo?

[Hydralisk]

Woah now I'm all confused!

[Solendon]

Problem with the rubber band is it doesn't explode, so the analogy is flawed.
My penis doesn't explode when I have an erection, but it eventually goes back to the way it was over and over again.


Do you suppose that there is a balance that the forces are trying to maintain? That it is possible that the universe could find Limbo?
Not with what they are currently saying. Things in natural world wants to find equillibrium. But when you are talking about the cosmos, there is so much that is unknown.

[Baneblade]

Of course it is unknown. Why else would it be interesting.

Your penis doesn't implode either...I hope.

[Solendon]

Of course it is unknown. Why else would it be interesting.

Your penis doesn't implode either...I hope.


im�plode (m-pld)
v. im�plod�ed, im�plod�ing, im�plodes
v. intr.
To collapse inward violently.


Hey, when I'm done, I'm done. "Get out the bed bitch!"

[Zodiac]

Universal theory - who cares? :p

[Baneblade]

Doesn't matter if you care. It will happen regardless :P

[Zodiac]

Doesn't matter if you care. It will happen regardless :PExactly. So why worry about it?

[Jekz]

Exactly. So why worry about it?
Great logic, mein Freund.

[Hydralisk]

Exactly. So why worry about it? Its an interesting subject.

[Solendon]

Exactly. So why worry about it?

Because I am Master of the Universe and what I say goes. If I want it to implode it better damn will!

http://www.originalcartooncels.com/heman.gifMEOW!

[Baneblade]

Exactly. So why worry about it?
:)

[firecrackerNC]

Das Universum saugt und bohrt, wenn ich f�r es mich interessierte,
das ich Wissenschaft Kategorie beachten w�rde

[Jekz]

Great input.

When was the darkmatter theory created?

[Solendon]

Das Universum saugt und bohrt, wenn ich f�r es mich interessierte,
das ich Wissenschaft Kategorie beachten w�rde

Das Universum ist ehrf�rchtig. Warum geben Sie auf Deutsch bekannt?

[Jekz]

Das Universum ist ehrf�rchtig. Warum geben Sie auf Deutsch bekannt?
Cheater.

[Solendon]

Cheater.

Hey, I took a German class in High School. :D

[Baneblade]

I took a German class in Middle School. Been awhile.

[firecrackerNC]

Das deutsche Sprache ist k�hl und klingt s��.

[Hydralisk]

Can anyone please explain to me the darkmatter theory?

[JetRaiden]

Can anyone please explain to me the darkmatter theory?

apparently 96% of the universe is made up of dark matter, which completely baffles scientists.

[Heavygain]

Hold on, then whats outside the universe? holy fuck, my mind is going to explode.

[Hydralisk]

So when the dark matter is used up the universe explodes or something?

[Baneblade]

Why does there need to be something outside the universe?

[JetRaiden]

So when the dark matter is used up the universe explodes or something?
:doh: :doh: :doh:

who said dark matter was an energy source or anything? Dark matter is believed to be able to alter space and time itself. for it to "run out" would probably take 10,000,000,000^100000 years.

[Solendon]

As a note, dark matter is only mathematically theorized. Hence why scientists are baffled. Proving things exist without direct measurement is hard enough, proving how they work is much harder.

[Solendon]

Superstring theory will solve it all! :evil:

[Baneblade]

The theory is that every positive has a negative. Darkmatter is negative matter. That is a very simplified version though.

[Hydralisk]

God I'm so confused:(

[firecrackerNC]

God Im screwed. Ive been reading this damn post and using askjeeves to find some of this shit out when I should have done my homework. Damn you people, I had a 5 page essay to do by tomorrow.

[Setari]

infinity! fun for the whole family!

[firecrackerNC]

Have you ever thought about eternity and stuff? Like what it was like before you were born and what it will be like when your gone? Everytime I do I feel creeped out and get like a panic attack.

[Baneblade]

Eternity? That part is optional.

[Heavygain]

Isnt it impossible to thing that there would be NOTHING outside of the universe when it goes boom? but how could there be something, isnt everything contained in the universe, or maybe like, we are just in some little glass globe and we are one GIANT and UBERLY superiour races type of bacteria, i dunno, im gonna like explode if i keep thinking.

[Mag]

The universe is everything, unless you subscribe to theory of multiple universes, but then what's outside of them?

[JetRaiden]

:rolleyes: omg. I finally feel lucky Ive taking a chemistry and philosophy class before...some of you guys need to grasp the concept of common sense.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

[22:58:41] [CDL-ObnoxiousFrog]: i just realized that the universe is rapidly trying to kill us all
[22:58:43] [Inf|TheSims2]: and having
[22:58:43] [CDL-ObnoxiousFrog]: its scary
[22:58:46] [Inf|TheSims2]: no success
[22:58:47] [Setari]: but i still dont have any money
[22:58:56] [mag]: It's been trying for the last billion years Frog.

[Setari]

Isnt it impossible to thing that there would be NOTHING outside of the universe when it goes boom? but how could there be something, isnt everything contained in the universe, or maybe like, we are just in some little glass globe and we are one GIANT and UBERLY superiour races type of bacteria, i dunno, im gonna like explode if i keep thinking.
you're gonna get a brain cramp.

The Matrix has you.

[Hydralisk]

Isnt it impossible to thing that there would be NOTHING outside of the universe when it goes boom? but how could there be something, isnt everything contained in the universe, or maybe like, we are just in some little glass globe and we are one GIANT and UBERLY superiour races type of bacteria, i dunno, im gonna like explode if i keep thinking. Lol. Are you saying our universe is like a fishtank in some dudes house. Rofl the big bang was just the fishtank needing a new filter or something.

[Setari]

Lol. Are you saying our universe is like a fishtank in some dudes house. Rofl the big bang was just the fishtank needing a new filter or something.
maybe the guy's gf dropped her hairdryer in the fishtank.

[Hydralisk]

maybe the guy's gf dropped her hairdryer in the fishtank. :lol::rofl::lol::rofl::lol::rofl:

[Baneblade]

Well the definition of universe is absolute, it implies that there are finite amounts of it.

Which is true, we are finite parts of the universe. The concept of making infinity a finite entity is quite a brainpain.

Universe equals everything, to imagine beyond that is to imagine nothing. The idea of parallel universes was invented to help with the concept of finite infinity. The idea that time is infinity where space is not helps quantify our existance as slightly less than meaningless.

On that note, I miss Sliders.

[Everay]

ok. but i wont bother with reading this whole thread, but on the first page your discussing wether or not the universe will end in fire or ice, i side with those that pick ice, though the correct quote says fire, but hes wrong, the universe will continue to expand forever because of "dark matter". the more dark matter pushes, the more energy it gets to push, and it is accountable for 70% of matter in this universe, it will expand this universe untill the energy death of it. entropy is a bitch.

[JetRaiden]

The universe was formed with the big bang which created the first element, hydrogen. but do to massive amounts of gravity and energy, it fused into more complex elements (and eventually minerals) and it over time clumped up in massive clouds which led to the first planets. The universe can never really end, there just isnt enough energy to destroy all of it. Its constantly changing, creating and destroying new stars (essentially the origin of all matter).

[Heavygain]

Lol. Are you saying our universe is like a fishtank in some dudes house. Rofl the big bang was just the fishtank needing a new filter or something.
Yes, i am

[Everay]

itll end raiden, when all the matter has been used up, sure, you cannot destroy matter, but there will be a time when all of it has been forged in the core of a star and becomes an atom that cannot have a nuclear reaction

[JetRaiden]

itll end raiden, when all the matter has been used up, sure, you cannot destroy matter, but there will be a time when all of it has been forged in the core of a star and becomes an atom that cannot have a nuclear reaction

the energy cycle is essentially infinite. as long as there is matter there will be energy. I GUESS its possible for every single star to burn up, but maybe in like 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0 years.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

As long as we don't need Bruce Willis to fly onto any asteroids with a bomb and an Aerosmith song I really won't be losing sleep over the universe being finate yet expanding.

[Solendon]

Energy is NOT infinte. Haven't you ever heard the law of Entropy? Basically, all energy will eventually dissapate as heat.

[EarlyDawn]

The interesting thing about discussions like this is that they naturally progress from scientific to philosophical at the higher levels.

But yes, superstring theory would help explain this.

And it is true that we can't quite prove that antimatter exists in any human terms. We can observe it's effects mathmatically (assuming it exists), but trying to isolate it would be like trying to isolate a graviton: You see it's effects and it's hypothetically there, but you have no idea how to go about containing it.

[Rbstr]

i'll post on this tomarow when i have time it will be very long, perhaps i'll put it in my blog

[SDM]

Energy is NOT infinte. Haven't you ever heard the law of Entropy? Basically, all energy will eventually dissapate as heat.
Heat is energy Einstien.

How come all you retards are acting like you know shit?






















:doh: :rofl:

[Solendon]

Heat is energy Einstien.

How come all you retards are acting like you know shit?

Maybe because I didn't fucking say it wasn't energy, Corky.


From Dictionary.com
en�tro�py (ntr-p)
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Symbol S For a closed thermodynamic system, a quantitative measure of the amount of thermal energy not available to do work.
A measure of the disorder or randomness in a closed system.
A measure of the loss of information in a transmitted message.
The tendency for all matter and energy in the universe to evolve toward a state of inert uniformity.
Inevitable and steady deterioration of a system or society.















Oh yeah:
http://www.drinkinghard.com/Corky%20Graduates!.jpg


:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MrPaul]

[skipping pages 3 - 5]
Supposedly there were many "Big Bangs" (possibly an infinite amount of them).
Maybe, time is donut shaped (like Home says in the Simpsons) and in a way. Creatures of some variety evolve, become "smart" (ie humans) and start developing technology. Throughout all of this a weapon so powerful it'll destroy/ implode the universe in invented.
It gets used. The universe "resets".

Yeah...

[SDM]

Energy is NOT infinte. Haven't you ever heard the law of Entropy? Basically, all energy will eventually dissapate as heat.
Energy is infinite. Energy is Energy, whether it is kinetic, heat, light, etc... Entropy has absolutely nothing to do with it being finite or otherwise. Energy is there, no matter how dilute or dissipated.


Maybe because I didn't fucking say it wasn't energy, Corky.You said energy dissapated as heat, stating that is why it was NOT infinite. WTF are you saying then? Do you even know?

Good job watching half a show on the discovery channel, and learning to cut and paste.

BTW, don't ever call me Corky again, or you'll never work in this town again.

[Solendon]

Energy is infinite. Energy is Energy, whether it is kinetic, heat, light, etc... Entropy has absolutely nothing to do with it being finite or otherwise. Energy is there, no matter how dilute or dissipated.

Now you talking symantics of the English language. There is not an infinite amount of energy in the sense once entropy is approached that's it. All energy will eventually radiate outside of the bounds of the physical Universe. It will be a cold, energy free place.


BTW, don't ever call me Corky again, or you'll never work in this town again.

Corky.

[SDM]

Now you talking symantics of the English language. There is not an infinite amount of energy in the sense once entropy is approached that's it. All energy will eventually radiate outside of the bounds of the physical Universe. It will be a cold, energy free place.
Idiot.




Corky.
Idiot.

[Solendon]

Idiot.





Idiot.



Assclown.

[Everay]

The interesting thing about discussions like this is that they naturally progress from scientific to philosophical at the higher levels.

But yes, superstring theory would help explain this.

And it is true that we can't quite prove that antimatter exists in any human terms. We can observe it's effects mathmatically (assuming it exists), but trying to isolate it would be like trying to isolate a graviton: You see it's effects and it's hypothetically there, but you have no idea how to go about containing it.


Dawn, we HAVE observed it, we have BEEN observing anti matter for quite some time, currently there are two places we can get it, first, the center of our galaxy, something like 1000 light years away, second is a... oh fuck i forgot what its called, like, a accelerater or something, basicaly they speed up two atoms really fast and collide them, oh YES! i remember now, a super collider or something similar to that, they collide two atoms and that creates a antimatter, dont ask me how it works beyond that, i dont know, i also know though, that doing this takes up alot of energy, and to use one of these colliders to get enough anti matter for a starship, like the USS Enterprise(im serious, antimatter matter engines are real) would require something like 10,000 times the energy this entire planet can produce.

and where ever some of you are getting your info from, its old, oh, by about 10 or so years.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Assclown.


Assmime actually, because SDM is silent, swift, and will give you nightmares afterwards.

[Hydralisk]

Antimatter is real? I thought that was just a term made up to make the theory make sense?

[_-Gunslinger-_]

http://superstringtheory.com/

This explains most of what you guys have been talking about. Alot of it is still theory and alot of it is also based off of those theorys.


However math has already solved this "finite" universe debate.

Imagin you placed a circle on a plane. Both are 2D however one if finite and the other is infinite (Circle = Finite, Plane = Infiinte). Thats how the universe is. All the planets stars and random "matter" are the circle and what we are expanding into is infinity, or the plane. So where people get confused is the definition of universe. It seems to have two sides, one being a finite definition and another being infinite. And thats where the problem lies.


From here on in simply apply both defninitions to something. When one makes sense but not the other simply ignore the other definition. If both make sense then :groovy: . Also the universe cant posably be expanding faster than the speed of light. If it was we would only see a select few of the stars we do now. Of course thats assuming we arent already seeing a select few.

Look at Newton's laws (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html) and apply them to the universe expansion. The only variable we cant find out yet is if there is a resisting force, and if it will deplete itself. So apply it in the three scenarios that can happen.

1) The universe is expanding unimposed (No enegy, so it has run out). We keep flying into the depths of the universe never stoping untill some other force intervenes.

2) The univese is expanding but is imposed (The expansion is being resisted, and the energy will run out). Just a race of time, witch engergy will last longer.

3) The universe is expanding and the energy resisting it will not run out. We are fucked. This is the dark matter scenario. We are moving out-wards but constantly being pulled back in. So without a "boost" of speed we will eventually fall back into a big bang. See the baseball example on the bottom of page one.

Two little side notes. That are barely relevant. Why is ******ds (O U T W A R D S) censored? And for anyone confused read the middle part of my sig.

[Hydralisk]

Thanks for the read Gunslinger!
BTW: Unless you are being sarcastic, ******ds is censored because the first 6 letters is the name of a pyramid online game that is spammed EVERYWHERE that everyone except its participants hate.

[Rbstr]

http://superstringtheory.com/

This explains most of what you guys have been talking about. Alot of it is still theory and alot of it is also based off of those theorys.


However math has already solved this "finite" universe debate.

Imagin you placed a circle on a plane. Both are 2D however one if finite and the other is infinite (Circle = Finite, Plane = Infiinte). Thats how the universe is. All the planets stars and random "matter" are the circle and what we are expanding into is infinity, or the plane. So where people get confused is the definition of universe. It seems to have two sides, one being a finite definition and another being infinite. And thats where the problem lies.


From here on in simply apply both defninitions to something. When one makes sense but not the other simply ignore the other definition. If both make sense then :groovy: . Also the universe cant posably be expanding faster than the speed of light. If it was we would only see a select few of the stars we do now. Of course thats assuming we arent already seeing a select few.

Look at Newton's laws (http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newton3laws.html) and apply them to the universe expansion. The only variable we cant find out yet is if there is a resisting force, and if it will deplete itself. So apply it in the three scenarios that can happen.

1) The universe is expanding unimposed (No enegy, so it has run out). We keep flying into the depths of the universe never stoping untill some other force intervenes.

2) The univese is expanding but is imposed (The expansion is being resisted, and the energy will run out). Just a race of time, witch engergy will last longer.

3) The universe is expanding and the energy resisting it will not run out. We are fucked. This is the dark matter scenario. We are moving out-wards but constantly being pulled back in. So without a "boost" of speed we will eventually fall back into a big bang. See the baseball example on the bottom of page one.

Two little side notes. That are barely relevant. Why is ******ds (O U T W A R D S) censored? And for anyone confused read the middle part of my sig.

wow good job, i'm glad i don't have to type all that.

And to SDM and Sol, your both kinda right, becasue of entropy leading to a disapation of energy into heat, wich is not useable, unless it's flowing we will run out of useable energy but that will be after all matter is converted into energy, and think about E=MC^2 a very small amout of mass is a whole fuckign lot of energy, so it's not a problem, becasue by the time the universe gets to that point it will either have collapsed, or expanded to the point were existance as we know it will no longer be possible. Unless the two forces Gun was talking about end up being equal.

Anit matter is real. and a very small amout makes a lot of energy(e=mc^2 again) and if there was anyway of finding some it would be very very cool(also anti-matter is the same as regular matter, IE it behaves exactaly the same, so there is anit-hydrogen, and anti-oxygen ect. so there is no way to tell if it is anti-matter unless matter colides with it, resulting in a very noticable BOOM.

[Wraithlord]

the milky way galaxy will collide with another galaxy in 2.5 billion years, man I wish I could be around for that, I wonder if it would completely fuck over the solar system?

[Jekz]

the milky way galaxy will collide with another galaxy in 2.5 billion years, man I wish I could be around for that, I wonder if it would completely fuck over the solar system? Often times, the distance between solar systems is so great that galaxies pass through each other without actually touching.

[Rbstr]

it would be liek a gigantic gravatic trainwreck though. Thats alot of gravity coming realy close, i saw a simulation of it once it looked so awsome, they kind of continued spiraling in different directions and made a wierd corkscrew shape.

[JetRaiden]

Two little side notes. That are barely relevant. Why is ******ds (O U T W A R D S) censored? And for anyone confused read the middle part of my sig.

:rofl: if youve ever heard of the little stat-based internet game 0utwar, that phrase is banned around here apparently. ****** :lol: :rolleyes:

[_-Gunslinger-_]

Thank you for all the positive feedback on the post. Didnt know about ******. Also a quick word on entropy. While energy is indeed infinite. Its uable energy thats not. Look at energy like food. Food you eat and then shit out whatever you ate, you gain the nutrients and in turn are able to do things and the waste cannot be consumed for nutrients again. Now apply that to energy. You use it to do some type of work, and then the waste byproduct is no longer usable. Simple.

(Shudder that was a sickening example, but the best one I could come up with at the moment.)

[KarlMarxist]

the milky way galaxy will collide with another galaxy in 2.5 billion years, man I wish I could be around for that, I wonder if it would completely fuck over the solar system?

Damn, only 2.5 billion years? Thing is, I know nothing about this, and it depresses me, but when I go to school and start talking out my ass about things I don't know about, I want some of the information to make the tiniest shred of sense. So pretty much:

One Theory States that Matter has an opposite force. And something about the universe expanding and fighting against the force? (Darkmatter : Added )

Another Theory States that the universe is finite, and is trying to expand, and the place upon which it can expand is infinite, meaning we're never going to see it end.

And another states, that there are multiple universes, and that one seems flawed, but not at all out of the question, reasoning WHAT FILLS THE GAP?! Theory is Speculation by definition. If I'm wrong, someone correct me, I'd like to know sort of what I'm talking out my ass about.

[JetRaiden]

edit: Im stupid, forget I said anything :doh:

[Everay]

if there is more than one universe, and i do belive it says so in the bible, nothing fills the gaps, not like the nothingness of space, but actual nothingness.

as for this collision in a few billion years, itll happen so slow, that youll hardly notice, and in actuality there is alot of space between the starts of this galaxy, plenty of space inbetween for a star to fit through, so there wont be too many collisions, but there will be some. the only unknown factor there for me is how are the centers of these two galaxies going to react? if im not mistaken, there is a giant black hole in the center of Andromida, just like these is a giant black hole in our own galaxy, both about the size of our solar system, in effect, the largest objects in the universe.

[Jekz]

Well if the Bible! says.... :lol:

[Everay]

well, the bible says it, and some, physicists say it, but some, not all, its still a theory, and a highly debated one too.

[Hydralisk]

Black Holes scare me:(

[MrShooter]

Falling into a black hole...

What would it be like if Sci's knew earth was headed directly at a black hole?

What does it feel like being pulled into one?

What does it feel like being pulled into a black hole, getting torn apart atom by atom, particle by particle from the endless gravity well, into a indefinately small void where time, space, and the laws of physics have no meaning? :scared:

[Hydralisk]

I'd imagine it'd be pretty painless. It would be instantaneous more than likely... What I would be scared of is that, when it happens, you will have no idea what happened until after its over and you might not even have a mind to contemplate what happened at all. :scared::huh:

[MrShooter]

What I would be scared of is that, when it happens, you will have no idea what happened until after its over and you might not even have a mind to contemplate what happened at all. :scared::huh:

:scared: :scared: :scared:

[Zodiac]

Back when I cared about this stuff I read a book Hawking wrote about blackholes and comsic stuff like that. If thats your thing there are some pretty interesting descriptions of what happens to matter that is pulled into a blackhole. Forgot what the book was called.

[EarlyDawn]

Back when I cared about this stuff I read a book Hawking wrote about blackholes and comsic stuff like that. If thats your thing there are some pretty interesting descriptions of what happens to matter that is pulled into a blackhole. Forgot what the book was called.Actually, a new, partially accepted theory is that black holes don't lead anywhere, and they don't destroy matter as originally thought. They just charge it electrically, change it into a gas, and shoot it out at the poles. Kind of like a big reactor, I suppose.

Interesting, if correct.

[Zodiac]

Damn you! Don't get me interested in this stuff again. :p

[SDM]

Damn you! Don't get me interested in this stuff again. :p
I theorize that black holes lead to large women named Shaniqua.

[Hydralisk]

I theorize that black holes lead to large women named Shaniqua. ROFL:rofl::lol::rofl::lol:

But seriously, IF they did "shoot you up with electrical charge" I wonder if everyone would die?

[Hamma]

The universe is win.

[Everay]

youd deffinatly die once you went into a black hole, but youd be shot back out in a form that is unusable, grabled together.

[Baneblade]

Well black holes are still theory, there isn't any concrete proof they exist...since you can't see em or measure em directly.

I think Quasars are the single largest objects we know of. I will have to check that though.

[oddfish]

i think that i just dreamt this whole f'ing place up. /me polks self in eye

[Rbstr]

we know black holes exist becasue they bend light that get near them, thoguth not near enougth to get sucked in. also we can see several exacples wer a Black hole is near a star and it is slowly saping matter away form it.

Also the way black hoels release the matter they contain is because there are at randome times and places(happening all the time) subatomic particles that appear and then annihilate each other(one regular one antimatter) but if a pair appears next to a black hole and one excapes and one falls in, the black hole acctulay has to lose mass, to account for that.

[Hydralisk]

:huh:

[Jekz]

Um... what about wormholes?

[Everay]

black holes do exist, as i said, there is a large black hole the size of our solar system, roughly 5 billion miles across, at every large developed galaxy, we have detected ours, and the black holes at the center of a few galaxies around us, also i belive there is a black hole that will pass within 1000 light years of earth soon, roughtly 3000 years i belive.

as for wormholes, IF they exist, they are so small you couldnt see em with a microscope.

[EarlyDawn]

as for wormholes, IF they exist, they are so small you couldnt see em with a microscope.You refer to singularities. We actually have a probe in orbit now determining that. It was big on the media two or so months ago.

[Rbstr]

a black hole is a singularity, size is determined by the "event horizon" or the radius in wich light gets sucked in. a singularity is somethign infinently dense and infinently small. imagine something smaller than a quark that has a mass 3x our son.

it's imposible to know if wormholes exist, unless you can find a way for a ship to survive getting cruched into something infinently dense and ininently small, and still go faster than light speed and come out the other side.

[Jekz]

Isn't "infinity" impossible? Everything has a limit.

[Heavygain]

Isn't "infinity" impossible? Everything has a limit.
no.

[Jekz]

no.
Du bist klueger als mich. :)

[Rbstr]

yes infinity is basicaly impossible to reach but it's to the point were it acctualy takes up no space therefore it must have a density = hoververmuchstuffisinit/0 cm^3, that is undefined, and if you think about it the best way to explain it is that 0 goes into the mass an infinite number of times.

[Baneblade]

Infinity is impossible.

But there isn't anything we have encountered yet that is infinite.

[Rbstr]

ok then take this equation and put it in a graphing claculator:
x ^ -3

now if you want to know this eq is one that goes up to infinity as it nears the Y axis, though it can never reach it, no matter how small the number you plug into it, but it can never equal 0 (or else you get the 1/0 thing going on) also in the other direction the line conitnues to near the x axis but can never reach it either, no matter how high x gets, it just keeps gettign smaller and smaller forever.

in effect the latter part of the lin is like a black hole, it has so much mass to it X that it is infinently small, becasue it can never reach 0 so basicaly you get to pick any number and it is smaller than that.
EDIT: its acctualy easier to see if you use something like -z x ^ -3 were z is a bigger than one, it make the graph taller, and flips it over x

[hazzer2007]

1000 light years a second is faster than the speed of light.

It true, we can eather keep going, and going, and going,

or

gravity takes effect and we are sucked back to start a new "big bang"