[Philosophy]Aristotle or Plato?

[JetRaiden]

Ive been reading "The Passion of the Western Mind" for Philosophy class, and Ive been wondering which ideology you guys lean towards. Youll have to base it off youre own knowledge, but heres a very simple example of Aristotle's and Plato's views:

Plato: Believed in an "Other Worldly" perspective. Meaning we are all originally in a higher world, but are born on Earth, and dont know what Truth Justice etc really are. We only see shadows of what's true/real.

Aristotle: Believed in a much more practical sense of reality. Everything has a purpose, and there is a reason for why everyone and everything is here.

[Triggar]

I studied Aristotle first, so my views towards him are biased because I hated the course at first. But you have to appreciate what he thought - he did afterall teach Plato and plant the seeds of Plato's methodology.

Aristotle's vision for the perfect society is a really interesting concept to think about. If you read Ayn Rand, she bases a lot of her work off Aristotle's concepts.

However, I think Plato had a better idea of what the fuck reality was - Aristotle made me want to kill myself sometimes when I was reading his ramblings. But, meh.

[JetRaiden]

I studied Aristotle first, so my views towards him are biased because I hated the course at first. But you have to appreciate what he thought - he did afterall teach Plato and plant the seeds of Plato's methodology.

Aristotle's vision for the perfect society is a really interesting concept to think about. If you read Ayn Rand, she bases a lot of her work off Aristotle's concepts.

However, I think Plato had a better idea of what the fuck reality was - Aristotle made me want to kill myself sometimes when I was reading his ramblings. But, meh.

actually I think Aristotle was a student of Plato, not vice versa. I just read like 50 pages of that book, very hard to follow sometimes. :ugh:

lil sampling:

"Aristotle's logic could be represented in the following way: (a) All motion is the result of the dynamism impelling potentiality to formal realization. (b) Since the universe as a whole is involved in motion, and since nothing moves without impulse toward form, the universe must be moved by a surpreme, universal form. (c) Since the highest form must already be perfectly realized- i.e., not in a potential state- and since matter is by definition the state of potientiality, the highest form is both entirely immaterial and without motion: hence the Unmoved Mover, the surpreme perfect Being that is in pure form, God."

I feel like I need to smoke a hickory pipe and stroke my chin as I read this.

[Infernus]

Plato... I had to read "The Republic" for school once... the man is very realistic as opposed to most other Greek philosophers... He saw society for what it was, and the same things still apply for the most part today, but I digress for the sake of saving us from debate over politics and the current state of the social system.


Plato was a student of Socrates, Plato witnessed Socrates being put to death by the government of Athens... it was what compelled him to write "The Republic".

[Triggar]

Ah, I'm getting old.

I mistook Aristotle for Socrates!

[ViperGTS]

/me runs from this thread

[OfaLoaf]

Wasn't Socrates the Greek philosopher who doubted everything?

[Jekz]

Doubtful.

:|

Me not know.

[Triggar]

Socrates didn't doubt everything, he questioned everything.

Annoyed the shit out of the local politicians, who never had answers.

[JetRaiden]

Wasn't Socrates the Greek philosopher who doubted everything?
well he questioned everything. it was a little different. Im not studying socrates right now, so Im not really sure. :p I know that he questioned the unquestionable (at the time anyway) like system of government and society. it eventually got him killed. :rolleyes:

[Sputty]

Aristotle and Plato are overrated
Alot of what they wrote was during a time where people believed everything was made of fire, water and earth, and they often used those things.

That being said, Plato has a better idea IMO, but I feel he gets a little too spiritual

But then again, I'm an existentialist, so I believe everyone chooses their own actions and should take responsibility for those actions.

[Mag]

Socrates didn't doubt everything, he questioned everything.

Annoyed the shit out of the local politicians, who never had answers.

Amazing how things don't change eh?

[Bighoss]

Amazing how things don't change eh?

was thinking the same

[Zodiac]

Believe it or not I used to spend hours and hours comptemplating existance and philosophy. I gave it up, purged it from my mind, (was driving me mad) and decided to take things at face value, to try and enjoy all aspects of life for what they are without wondering why or how things came to be. I imagine my life will be too short to worry about deep thinking.

[Pilgrim]

I voted other

Gotta stick with my Cioran.

He's a Nietchze Student but a bit more hopeful.

If you are inclined go get "The Trouble With Being Born" One of the most compelling philosiphy bbooks I've ever read (It actually sits on my desk at work so I can flip it open when the itch hits to look smarter then I am)

[Infernus]

Socrates didn't doubt everything, he questioned everything.

Annoyed the shit out of the local politicians, who never had answers.

Their solution... Hemlock... which leads us to Plato!

[UncleDynamite]

I prefer Aristotle only because of his emphasis on the importance of friendship, something that is nice to see in a philosophy. However, Plato comes a close second, mainly because Plato's works are actually very enjoyable reading, while Aristotle is dry and clumsy (no fault on his part, really. All of the Aristotle's writings are actually the compiled notes of his students, not from Aristotle's own pen). Plus, I think Plato makes some great points in The Republic, such as the virtues of a city.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Dadaism.

Basically, all people are alike, and we are all alike because we are all fucking retarded.

[Jekz]

That's deep, Ob. ;)

[Everay]

im gonna say artistotle, but truth be told i dont know shit about fuck, so im gonna go get three books sometime this week, the three subjects we were talking about just now will be those books focus.

[SDM]

Confucius > Plato, Aristotle

[Hezzy]

I'm stupid, I don't know anything about philosophy.

Not by choice though. The english educational system doesn't teach it. I'd rather have philosophy than something like "'OW TA MAEK TINGS OWT OV WOOD! HUR HUR" classes.

[SDM]

Logic and Philosophy should both be mandatory IMO. Neither are even available in k-12 as far as I know.

[Everay]

confectus, the idea of treating everyone well including your servents, right? i like that one over the other two, chinese religions that is.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

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19th february 1920

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NO MORE LOOKS!
NO MORE WORDS!2

Stop looking!
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in other words:
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2 No more manifestos.
3 Sometimes.

Badass.

[Mag]

1920's Emo.

[JetRaiden]

Confucius > Plato, Aristotle

eh, Im not familiar with Asian philosophy, I just chose Plato and Aristotle because their views contradict eachother.

[Baneblade]

Rick James bitch.

[JetRaiden]

Rick James bitch.

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