Round Table Discussion - Everyone Invited

[Hamma]

With the recent conflicting opinions about someone who has been banned here (he shall remain nameless :p) I wanted to start a dialog with the forums. Afterall you guys are the reason we are here.

Anyway, I started this site around 2 years ago with the intent of starting the most non elitist gaming forums I could possible form. Now all that time later I feel as if the staff and I have done a good job at making that happen. It has recently come to my attention that maybe not everyone thinks that. You have to realise that in running a website with the amount of traffic this one has it is nearly impossible to please everyone, hell sometimes even I am not pleased with what is going on.

So anyway, I want everyone who has an opinion about how things are run around here to please post your opinions and suggestions. Don't post in fear of being banned as I am not going to ban anyone for just posting their own opinions.

Fire away, I'm all ears.

[Mag]

Kudos on taking the initiative to start up a thread to keep the flames contained. Good move.

[Hezzy]

Perhaps a question forum / newbie forum? Sarcasm smiley?

[Liquidtide]

I'll start becasue I'm about to go to bed. I know I don't post much. But when I do 99% of the time I think it adds or is at the very least relevant to the situation. Many people just post what they think is funny which is not funny at all. And the amount of hijacked threads recently has been rampant. Can we please 1) stay on topic and 2) bring something to the table that's worth posting, not just getting your count up.

Jeff

[Mag]

Perhaps a question forum / newbie forum? Sarcasm smiley?
QFT, winnar.

[Jennyboo]

I'll start becasue I'm about to go to bed. I know I don't post much. But when I do 99% of the time I think it adds or is at the very least relevant to the situation. Many people just post what they think is funny which is not funny at all. And the amount of hijacked threads recently has been rampant. Can we please 1) stay on topic and 2) bring something to the table that's worth posting, not just getting your count up.

Jeff
Agreed stay on topic, stop the trolling

[Hezzy]

Yes, we could do with less topic hijacking.

Perhaps this could be solved by more use of the split thread function?


EDIT: Even more mods? We've got quite a sparse number at the moment. Maybe if they used their power abit more too?

[Hamma]

I agree we don't really have to many mods at the moment. And I agree a few more would probably help matters, the problem is picking reliable and consistant/trustworthy mods.

[JetRaiden]

whoa this thread is a pleasant surprise. nice job hamma. :thumbsup:

I shall remain opinionless on this matter for the time being. Tonight has just been amazing, and has given me infinite more reasons to drink this weekend.

[Hezzy]

I agree we don't really have to many mods at the moment. And I agree a few more would probably help matters, the problem is picking reliable and consistant/trustworthy mods.
True. I've seen forums break to pieces because a certain mod was a questionable person.

[Electrofreak]

Honestly, I'm as sick of the crap as you are Hamma. I joined PSU back in February, and while I like to think of myself as part of the community now, I am definately not a hardcore "veteran" yet. And at times, the "veterans" of the community have been a bit hostile towards the "non-vetrans" and its definately not cool. Personally, I'm glad you banned that particular individual to which you refer, in my opinion he was the crux of the problem. The fact that he could be an asshole and get away with it all the time, or come back after a 1-day ban sorta made all the other elitist "vetrans" feel that they could do the same.

I really like PSU. I really like a lot of the people here at PSU. Many of you are my outfit members, people I debate with on the PolDeb forums, people I discuss tech stuff with, and people I've played with in games such as EVE, Soldner, PlanetSide, etc. Not only that, I really enjoy some of the conversations and humor that people post on the forums and in IRC. I even got to meet a bunch of you at PSUMA and had an ass-kickin' time.

The only thing that has been hurting it is the elitist "OMG I > j00" shit. We all know who starts it, who participates in it, who perpetuates it. They don't need to be named. Then theres some of us who have once or twice created problems and drama as well, myself included. It really needs to stop. I'm glad the drama surrounding myself has ended, and I apologize that it ever happened in the first place.

The anonymity the internet provides you, combined with the fact that its much easier to flame / insult someone when you don't have to do it to their face, does not give you, or anyone, the right to be a prick. THE INTERNET IS NOT A PLACE FOR YOU TO PAMPER YOUR SELF ESTEEM AND YOUR EGO BY DEMEANING OTHER PEOPLE. AND NO, ITS NOT COOL. If that is what you want to do, go do it somewhere else, PSU is not the place. I'm happy Hamma is taking steps to ensure this, no complaints from me.

[Derfud]

I think more mods would be a good move. But as you stated, finding a good mod is hard. The last two mods you appointed, the nightshift mods, (Ouro and OMA) are hardly around anymore. They are great guys, and I'd like to see them back, but when they arent here, there is a void. On the issue of the banning, I dont know what the exact conditions of the final move were but I can say for the most part, I did enjoy dhark's presence here. Almost every post of his I read gave me a chuckle, and thats a hard thing indeed to do.

[Electrofreak]

Dhark may have been funny at times, but thats really no excuse for some of the crap he pulled.

You can rob a bank and then help an old woman across the street, but you're still a criminal.

[I Hate Pants]

This isn't just PSU, but the internet in general and relates to what electrofreak said.

If you need to come to forums to flex your ego and make others feel less compared to you... well..... that says something about your social life. Or perhaps your life in general.

Banning you know who wasn't just good for the PSU community. But good for you know who as well. Maybe he'll go outside or something.

[Electrofreak]

We all do it to a degree. I don't think any of us can deny the fact that at least a couple of times we've purposely made a comment towards someone else to make ourselves feel superior. The real problem is the people who do it constantly.

[Liquidtide]

Dhark

Shhhhhhhhhhh.... Nameless

[Taow]

Anyway, I started this site around 2 years ago with the intent of starting the most non elitist gaming forums I could possible form. Now all that time later I feel as if the staff and I have done a good job at making that happen.What do you knwo the people who left long ago have to come back and participate in some drama. Go away, you have no idea whats going on here anymore.

I've banned some peoeple for good for doing shit Dhark did everyday.I think my admining has been pretty consistant since day one

the ONLY advice I can really give you is: dont flame the flamers, dont let the flamers get flamed. ban them, or lock the thread. move on. this is the biggest reason i never began posting here seriously. probably one of the biggest reasons "people left long ago"

you always throw in the last rant, or let someone somewhat respected throw in the last rant. dont. just end it. all it takes is a sentence to say stfu, stop flaming, see you when your ban is up.

And i already know your first thought, who the hell is Taow? well, it shouldnt matter, this is a non elitist comminuty, no?

[Hezzy]

Guys, let's please keep some order in here. This isn't a rant thread. This is a "make things better" thread.

We all have been participants in drama, whether you like to say so or not. It might be fun, but there's a point that you have to say to yourself: "This has gone too far. It needs to end now."

Unluckily, some people don't know when. Myself included.


EDIT: I just thought. What about a drama forum? We all post our dramas and shenanigans in there, and threads go there when they've gotten derailed, or whatever.

[Zodiac]

This isn't a rant thread. This is a "make things better" thread.

I want everyone who has an opinion about how things are run around here to please post your opinions and suggestions. Don't post in fear of being banned as I am not going to ban anyone for just posting their own opinions.

*cough*

[Electrofreak]

Drama forum? Sounds like a problem waiting to happen. :\

I agree that we just need to have some thread derailer's posts deleted, and people who consistently flame or insult others need to be given less leeway. Basically I agree that we need more mods, but as Hamma said, thats a difficult task.

[Hezzy]

Opinions. Not endless ranting. Get back on track please.

[martyr]

hm... as a self-declared defender of the lounge, i'm all about pleasing the masses.

what i see so far is a call for more active moderation, especially splitting the threads; yes/no?

[Hamma]

I want people to post their opinions, but I dont want people to attack people in here ;)

[Electrofreak]

Opinions. Not endless ranting. Get back on track please.

The first step in solving a problem is identifying the problem itself.

[Triggar]

Would it be possible to start sub-threads? That would certainly combat the problem of derailing. For example, you'd click on this thread, and then it would open with the option to go into the child thread, "opinions or drama thread?" or something like that. It'd keep the original thread on-topic and allow the expansion of the conversation.

[Hamma]

That is not something that is possible without some serious hacking :eek:

[Electrofreak]

darn vBulletin

[Denali]

Where's the endless ranting, bro? He layed down some quotes pertaining to his arguement (whatever that is) and then made a statement. Now everyone is free to blow him off and ignore his out of context quotes, but he did state an opinion.


Uh, editing in an opinion. Forums still seem to be thriving. Glad the game is going well. Super.

[Triggar]

Then what if the "split thread" option is utilized more? Would that be a viable solution?

[Everay]

didnt hamma say that wasnt possible without some "serious hacking". IMO there are 2 co-existing solutions, first, make another thread when you derail another to continue the derailment. second, some people outa stop being so sensitive, and some people outa stop being so blatantly annoying, fuck, the first thread i made, was about two pages of people posting the PM button image, did i get offended? no. did i run to Hamma? no. i learned from my mistakes and PMed.

that or more mods.

EDIT, just to clarify, what im saying is that arguing over the internet is like that thing about the special olympics youve all heard a billion times, and it takes two people to argue.

[SecondRaven]

Hmm i must of missed the post that cough nameless cough made but i havent really been noticing any huge problmes lately. Even the people who normaly flame me for no other reason then they them being assholes have been acting good lately. So IMO fourms are doing ok

[martyr]

edit:

http://planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?p=480357#post480357

[Jaged]

May i ask what it was that you know who did to get banned? I missed the thread.

Also, was it a perma ban this time?

[Everay]

bayne, perma? didnt sound like it, but he told me he isnt coming back, but will stick around www.bohicagaming.com instead of PSU.

[Mag]

Yeah, Dhark asked me to post this for him.
----------
Dear PSU,

I don't care if you unban me or not, because I'm not coming back either way. Personally, I don't feel that what I posted
merited a ban, but of course, I'm a rude jackass elitist assfuck who flames everyone and is a complete troll,
(AND IS MEAN AND UNREASONABLE!!1111 > : (!!111) so my point of view is probably skewed, and I doubt I'd
be able to change Hamma's opinion, anyways, so, bye. I'll still hang out at the ******** forums (URL located at http://www.********.com),
and at BGC (Provided the BOHICA gods don't ban me too, :p), and if anyone wants to stay in touch, my MSN address is [email protected],
and AIM is BalognaChicken .

<3 and happybunnies,
Dharkbayne


P.S. Thanks Hamma for the 1.5 or so years of a great community, you're a good guy, sorry I was such a dick. <3

[Gigabein]

splitting is something i've always shied away from, as i feel that some threads are meant to be derailed, and derailment is an inevitability; however, if you feel like keeping threads on topic will help the atmosphere, i'm all for it

I think you're correct to shy from it. This is The Lounge, a place for casual conversation. Conversations shift topic all the time in real life, so it would be unnatural to enforce on-topic posting in this forum.

[martyr]

[/end] of discussion here, please. take it to IRC.

edit:

http://planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?p=480357#post480357

edit: thank you giga

[Everay]

splitting threads is fine.

[Derfud]

Oh god, do not introduce a "threaded" mode, it is the most vile mode of forum ever.

As for a lounge mod. Criteria I would include would be:
Familiarity with community
Maturity
Checks the boards every day or often enough
has a firm understanding of PSU forum rules
Is well known enough by the community (For one, someone who is known, instead of a complete stranger will be easier to accept as a mod).
Can use common sense

[Octavian]

Dhark may have been funny at times, but thats really no excuse for some of the crap he pulled
I did get banned twice because of him back in November, December. But outside of PSU he's a funny guy who surprisingly enough can be NICE.

But I do agree on more moderators, I know of a place that has 20+, and only 500 members.

[UncleDynamite]

I think what makes the Lounge so great is that there's relatively little restrictions regarding what we can post. I personally find that it's perfectly fine for a thread to stray off-topic, just as long as it's okay with the thread-maker and the derailment is happening because of flames. Forum whoring at PSU is really nice because it's casual and laid-back. There are moderators that can step in and exercise all sorts of power, but they generally don't unless they need to. That's good. The last thing I want to see are really sensitive moderators locking threads and making sure other threads stay rigidly on topic. What's the fun in that?

That said, this is what I think on the two most important topics :

1. Flaming: As usual, this is a problem with most forums. Most of the flames are are done in jest, and those shouldn't be subject to any moderator action. However, flames with malignant intent or flames that accidently offends someone should be resolved with PMs and/or moderator help. Pretty simple, I think.

2. Thread Derailing: As I said, I don't think we should worry about this too much. Sub-threads are yucky, and if we choose to split-threads, there's going to be a lot of debate as to when a thread is derailed and should be split. Plus, we will feel less freedom while posting. However, there should be two new rules:
- a) If the thread-maker doesn't mind if people derail his/her thread, then so be it. However, if the thread-maker wishes to get back on topic, then he/she should make a post saying so. After that, it's everyone's responsibility to get back to the original post. If there are members who wish to continue discussing the tangent, they can make a new thread. If members continue to derail a thread after the thread-maker says to stop, then moderator action will commence.
- b) If the thread is derailed because of flames or personal attacks, moderators will step in to stop it. If the flames continue, the moderator is entitled to lock the thread or take other necessary action.

That's all I think should change. Again, the Lounge is a great place to post, because the administrators and moderators are more like friends than figures of authority. I think having too many restrictions will make them too much like forum nazis, and we don't want that. If PSU isn't about elitist behavior, then we should keep the sense of an administrator/moderator/member hierarchy to a minimum. The worst forums are where the people with power are treated differently, either with reverence or fear. Conversely, we're all friends here, and that shouldn't change. Just make sure the flames are kept at bay, and everything should fall into place.

[Squeeky]

Hamma, you fucking rock. You're an awesome person, and you bend over backwards for nothing aside from the satisfaction of knowing that you've created one hell of a fansite, and dont let some pesky trolls and naysayers let that put you down in the least. Keep up the good work buddy, i'm privileged to be able to call you a personal friend.

[Squeeky]

And yes, we are in desperate needs of moderation. Hamma hired 2 people (Ouro and OMA) to keep watch on the lounge at night, and they do a good job (when they are around). If Hamma could find 2 people, who are veterans of the community and have proven themselves worthwhile posters. I think that would be our best bet. We need consistency more then anything. Someone who is always around to check up on the forums. I think that's what i'd like to see more then anything. :)

[Indecisive]

I agree we don't really have to many mods at the moment. And I agree a few more would probably help matters, the problem is picking reliable and consistant/trustworthy mods.

*coughCDLcough*

well, not 100% cdl, but thats always a good place to look for trustworth people :D

winkwinknudgenudge :brow:

:lol:

[firecrackerNC]

Well first off I agree with the ban of he who cannot be named. Secondly if you need a mod you can always give me power, its not like Ill abuse it and stuff ;) :evil: But uh yea stop flaming, trolling, hijacking ect ect and then this forum will be a happier place.

[Hezzy]

Perhaps an admin can pick a few candidates as to who the new Mod will be, then let the public vote on them?

[NightWalker XI]

PSU and its staff rock and have rocked since I first came here when I first learned about PS, keep up the good work Hamma and don't let no foo' tell you otherwise.

NW speaks the truth :)

EDIT: Hmmm mod position...but yeah man, back to what I said, this place gives us good PS discussion forums without the immature people over at Official PS Forums, good fun admins who reply on a nice basis and provide entertainment, a fun website full of info and help and voerall a good community, even if your not a PS player!

Like I said..keep it up guys, when I get some ��� you can bet yo ass your gonan see sum of it...not via paypal tho cause I don't use that...maybe I should....

[Peacemaker]

You know. I was just thinking. How many people acctualy report flamings and idiots? Maybe it would just be easyer if more people reported this kind of stuff. I mean hamma probably reads EVERY single thread that is made in this whole damn forum. If the general populace helps out just a little it will probably cut down his workload by alot. I see hamma posting in nearly every thread now, something that was rare a few weeks ago, granited it all settled down for him real quick but still. Lets give hamma a hand and do our part. Report posts that break rules.

[Sputty]

This is in response to Jenny's post
Then where is it ?
I've become an active member, contributor, moderator, adminstrater and promoter to many sites, including Knollsoft, BOHICAGAMING, pushico n and a myriad of others. Knollsoft was a reasonably successful website designing company at one point with an active forum(still active forum, just supar secret), working for ontario provincial government. I've ran multiple teamspeak servers, and gaming servers. My gaming server was constantly full of idiots and being DOS attacked(unsuccessfully) wasn't uncommon, and it was expensive at over 400 dollars a month which is a lot of a single student. Heh, the reason I cancelled the server was actually so I could pay a good amount in one of the psu drives. I was able to make a set of rules and abide by them with no problem.

[Peacemaker]

So sputty, then you would admit that you are a troll and have flamed people. Seriously if all that is true then you shouldnt be how you are on these forums. You and dhark may think its funny but really its not that cool. Acctualy you dont post much flames or troll its just senceless crap that pertains nothing to the thread. I.E. "OMGZORZ!!! KITTENS!!!!"

[Sputty]

You turned an explanation of a question into me "admitting" stuff that I didn't say?
That's a pretty effective imagination.

[Peacemaker]

Thanks, but seriously. You do some pretty non cool stuff here, why would you do it if you know it was wrong and you want to be a good standing member of the community?

[starbum]

Waaay too much drama, not enough funnay ;)

My personal opinion. I enjoy a good sense of community and humor. I also feel that people use hostility towards others for personal gain is immature and irresponcible, now granted, there are exceptions to this because there is such a thing as playing around as long as both parties are ok with it.

IMHO, moderators should remain anonymous. That way there isnt a seperation of powers & members...just suddenly the moderator takes action and there isnt a face to put it on. Like a global moderator account for the mods to login to that has the permissions to moderate posts, but not to post with personally. We all know who is the staff, and if the acted as one entity, there'd be a greater sense of community power instead of someone appointed to keep the flames down. Just an opinion :)

[Ghryphen]

Oh god, do not introduce a "threaded" mode, it is the most vile mode of forum ever.

There is the option for it, currently disabled, however users can choose which way they want to view the forum individually.

[Baneblade]

I think a good way to select mods is to pick people who don't particularly want to be mods, but are willing to do it.

Anyone who hints at it, simply wants a different color name.

That has been my experience at least.

[MrPaul]

IMHO, moderators should remain anonymous. That way there isnt a seperation of powers & members...just suddenly the moderator takes action and there isnt a face to put it on. Like a global moderator account for the mods to login to that has the permissions to moderate posts, but not to post with personally. We all know who is the staff, and if the acted as one entity, there'd be a greater sense of community power instead of someone appointed to keep the flames down. Just an opinion :)
This man be wise, yarrr.

Personally I have no problems with anyone on here, and if anyone ever insults me (I like to think I'm neutral to/ friendly with most people here) I'd just shrug it off tbh, after all, tis the 'net.. I still say this is the best forum I've ever been part of.

[Strygun]

I'm too lazy to do quotes for everyone, but suffice it to say that I've read this entire thread and will respond to individuals:

1) Triggar: what's to keep the derailers from invading the "opinions" section instead of staying to their "derailing" area? There will always be people who ruin it for others.

2) As for the cries for more mods: It's up in the air. I personally think we have enough mods (including myself) to handle these forums. Perhaps we, as mods, should step up our lackadaisical approach to these forums. Perhaps it's time for us to fight back a little harder and knock down all the people who !!!111one all the time.

More later.

[Hezzy]

1) Triggar: what's to keep the derailers from invading the "opinions" section instead of staying to their "derailing" area? There will always be people who ruin it for others.
Incase you havn't noticed Strygun; most threads are derailed because the topic switches to something different. Threads don't get derailed because people get kicks out of it.

[Kyonye]

i have been in this community since january 2003, and been lurking since 2002. i may be a "veteran" of this forum but it does not mean i get more rights or anything. some vets tended to think that. since they were some of the first here, it gives them the chance to have power. the only ones that have power are the admins and mods. i've seen the good parts of this forum as many of you have. we mainly all help everyone out. hamma and his staff have done a great job with this site and i hope to see it stay around for a long time to come. this isn't just about a game anymore, its about meeting new people, and helping them out in any way possible, or atleast most ways. this is the best community i've been a part of online.

[OfaLoaf]

Perhaps a little more intervention on the Mods part, but the regular members are excellent vigilantes, from what I've seen.

[MattxMosh]

Here comes my fitty cent.

This forum has been one of the most welcoming that I have ever seen, I don't recall getting flamed, insulted or openly mocked in my first few posts. The whole thing with thread de-railment is fairly low/normal, sometimes topics switch, an dteh thread continues on without problems, but there are those threads that should not be hijacked, and more moderation should take place. That comes down to individulal posters/topic of teh post and so on, hence why most peopel have said, more Mods, and more vigilant mods could be a great improvement.

Not to say the current Mods arent doing thier job or doing it well, because they are doing what they can. There just aren't enough.

The role of the usual internet still takes place regardless. Just because you've been here longer doesnt mean you should insult someone new to posting, or new to teh community. More of the "veterans" should step up and take the role of providing a positive influence, PMing new users who make break forum rules some friendly guidelines, or invite them to IRC to see how goofy (in a good way) and nice most everyone here is, and why there should be no reason to flame or be a troll.

Meh, but what do I know, forums I have run got wildy out of control and spilled into reality more than a few times... :D

[JetRaiden]

PSU is probably the best mid-large online community I know of. Every other forum of this size or bigger has no community or anything. its always an anarchiac free for all. I wouldnt trade PSU for any other forum out there.

[EarlyDawn]

I only have two things to say: I think Dhark should be readmitted because I honestly have seen a sentiment against him. (He's caustic, but funny. Don't take him so seriously.)

Point two: please don't turn this into an insta-lock forum when it comes to offtopics. I go to some forums like that and they're not fun at all. Conversation progresses naturally.

[Infernus]

I only have two things to say: I think Dhark should be readmitted because I honestly have seen a sentiment against him. (He's caustic, but funny. Don't take him so seriously.)

Point two: please don't turn this into an insta-lock forum when it comes to offtopics. I go to some forums like that and they're not fun at all. Conversation progresses naturally.

I am in agreeance with my friend here. Is he annoying? Sometimes... but he is most generally funny when it comes down to it and isn't to be taken TOO seriously... I mean, I can tell whats a joke and what isn't.

As for offtopic conversations... they happen... and its kinda natural that conversation leads from one thing to another in the same thread. The difference is when someone just randomly swoops in out of nowhere and posts something entirely offtopic.

[Incompetent]

Maybe just add another mod or two, the way things work now seems fine. It's not broke, don't fix it.

[Hamma]

This has been a good thread everyone has contributed and some good comments came out. What I have gathered of this thread is the following.

More Mods - hire a few more mods to keep an eye on things.
Stricter Mods - Lock and warn people more.

These are both things that are possible but in order to be better mods we need the users to report more posts and provide more feedback! When you see something that you think is out of line please report it because the mods cannot see everything no matter how much they whore. And even when they do, sometimes they don't think something is as out of line as someone else thinks it is. To report a post click http://planetside-universe.com/forums/images/ps/buttons/report.gif on the post you wish to report.

I've also talked to the current mods and read some of the suggestions so, in the future we will enforce the three strike rule more. When someone is out of line they will be confronted via PM and not in public as this is better for the person being warned as well as the mod. The moderators currently do have their own forum to discuss amongst themselves, and keep other mods up to date about what is going on.

My thoughts on deletion of posts are as follows. I always tell my mods NOT to delete posts if a thread gets out of line then lock the thread and warn the people involved. The only time posts really get deleted is when they are obviously out of line (Porn, Porn Link) or something like that. And even then often times the post is just edited which accomplishes the same thing. Only a few times in PSU history has someone been pruned from existance :p

As for adding mods - I will create a thread where people will be nominated for moderator status (After we are done in this thread). Once a couple are nominated then we will hold a vote where you decide who the moderator is. Be aware however that I reserve the right to remove people from nomination (Doubt it will happen)

Anything to add? More suggestions?

[OfaLoaf]

What about the vigilantes? Will they be left with only the power of withering retorts and http://planetside-universe.com/forums/images/ps/buttons/report.gif? Should they be encouraged or discouraged?

[Hamma]

I don't follow? :p

Clicking that link lets the mods know someone is pissed off about a thread.

[Setari]

more mods would definitely help. possibly even mods in a different time zone...and with a less burdening schedule..y'know so they have more time to nazi people. :p

[Hezzy]

more mods would definitely help. possibly even mods in a different time zone...and with a less burdening schedule..y'know so they have more time to nazi people. :p
Perhaps make Lart and Trig mods? That's if they want to.

[Angel_of_Death]

There are so many things that are awesome in this forum. For example...:
-Admins and mods, beautiful job. Never let something get out of hand, keep up the good work.
-The community is mostly very welcoming, non-elitist, and friendly. Another positive.
-This forum is a great place to go for people looking for information regarding politics, news, humor, or just a place to lounge.
-This place even looks cooler now.

But you got rid of Dhark, and he was the funniest one.

[Sputty]

<Squeeky> Sputty, you're fat.
<Squeeky> And canadian, your opinion is null and void

From IRC, no indication it was a joke. He's said before and meant it as an insult. Just thought I'd throw that in

[Squeeky]

Sounds good Hamma

[Rbstr]

i love PSu we've had our ups and downs, and flamers and trolls. This is the only large comunity i've been in but i think things tend to to be atleast mostly ontopic and generaly of a friendly/not-anrgy nature.

we probably do need more (lounge)mods to better enforce some rules, but i don't think we have the big of a problem.

On the side of Dhark i think he's a flaming troll, but i dont relay care either way. but atleast change his name back to Hdrakbena or whatever it was.

[DeepStrikeck]

From what I've noticed within this forum (which I do enjoy a lot) is that all of the topics with the exeption of the lounge and the politcal debate forums are clique-less(sp?) In Political Debate, there will always be two+ sides, which is the very nature of politics. But in the lounge, there seems to be the tight-knit group who are making jokes about everything and tend to derail threads by posting random picks etc..., this is why I refused to read the lounge for somewhere around 2 months but about a week ago I decided to return and see if things have changed. What my opinion is, is that we as a community need to try to break the mold of having cliques (all of life has them, lets avoid them here) and welcome people and include everybody. More mods might help, but probably not. yea, you have more people controlling the threads but no matter what the mods/admins/authorites will/can do, people will always flame and be jerks....unless we can discourage that and get the community to make full-fledged attempts to improve our community which we all hold dear. We as members must take action and break the barries of cliques and invite people in and make friends with as many people as possible. (you can't be friends with everyone, that is a given, some people will always annoy others) The mods of PSU can only do so much, we must do what is necessary and band together as a whole, not as small groups.

[Boomer]

Here is my 2 cents on this situation

More moderators for each forum.
Moderators will Lock threads more often.
Make a forum for people that have been baned and why they have been.
Maybe do the same thing for posts that have been deleted. Could be the alternative to locking posts.
Make sub-forums. For example: Game Discussion could be sub-divided into a Forum about General Game Discussion, another dealing with In Development issues, and so on.


Time to go to bed.. anyway.. how was dhark banned? what did he do or say? (this is why having a forum for banned people would be good)

[Firefly]

I didn't volunteer to be a mod the first time around when they asked because they needed a night shifter, and I was too busy partying and carousing at night. This time around, I could probably do it - I have a plethora of experience at admin'ing and mod'ing. That is, if the administration decides they need it.

[JetRaiden]

Here is my 2 cents on this situation

More moderators for each forum.
Moderators will Lock threads more often.
Make a forum for people that have been baned and why they have been.
Maybe do the same thing for posts that have been deleted. Could be the alternative to locking posts.
Make sub-forums. For example: Game Discussion could be sub-divided into a Forum about General Game Discussion, another dealing with In Development issues, and so on.


Time to go to bed.. anyway.. how was dhark banned? what did he do or say? (this is why having a forum for banned people would be good)

Just alot of stuff that added up. he was a mega troll. but then again, whats a forum without trolls?

oh thats right, a respectable, homely community.

[MattxMosh]

(this is why having a forum for banned people would be good)



Trust me, thats a very bad idea, all it does is stir up trouble if everyone knows why.

[Boomer]

Trust me, thats a very bad idea, all it does is stir up trouble if everyone knows why.

hahaha.. its funny i got that idea from the enclave forums. And we all LOVE the enclave. At least I do.

Maybe their names, and what rules they violated?

[Hamma]

I'm not so sure that is a good idea, if someone wants to know the reason for another users banning they are more than free to PM a moderator.

[Doop]

Simply put, I just think we need to calm down, and almost everyone has been a part of this (including me). We started to joke around, then, it slowly turned into elitism, and a serious problem. Let's just get back into the swing of things.