say hello to my little friend...

[OneManArmy]

well seeing as im turning 21 sat. I went and picked out a pistol. Of course i cant pick it up till next week (after i get my permit) but whatever, i can wait. ;) I love that two-tone look. I really want a USP but those are hella expensive im gettin a deal on this one.

http://www.firearms.smith-wesson.com/userimages/120023_large.jpg

Smith & Wesson SW40VE

Caliber: .40 S&W
Capacity: 10 Rounds +1
Barrel Length: 4"
Front Sight: White Dot
Rear Sight: Fixed 2-Dot
Firing System: Striker
Grip: Black Polymer
Trigger: N/A
Hammer: N/A
External Safety: N/A
Frame: Full
Finish: Black/Stainless Steel
Overall length: 7-1/4"
Material: Polymer Frame / Stainless Steel Slide & Barrel
Weight Empty: 24.4 ounces

[ViperGTS]

Neato. Sould have went with an XM8 but heh pfft :D

[Strygun]

BRING IT TO PSUMB! ...or not. Triggar will go pilate's on your butt and take you down! ( :lol: )

[Infernus]

Nice

[Liquidtide]

Why?

[Infernus]

Why?

Why not?

[OfaLoaf]

Why?
Testosterone nearly requires it in some people.

[Mr1337Duck]

Mustt..... ressisstt.... conservative... rannttt....

[Infernus]

Mustt..... ressisstt.... conservative... rannttt....

yes you must, alas, this is not the place for it...

[Giovanni]

Didnt stop him from making a penile size thread :rofl:.

[Infernus]

Didnt stop him from making a penile size thread :rofl:.

ZING!

[Everay]

Didnt stop him from making a penile size thread :rofl:.


oh shit man, thats a old school zinger right there.

but, conservatives are supposed to like guns duck.

and, thats a nice gun right there, ill be getting one when im of age

[JetRaiden]

oh shit man, thats a old school zinger right there.

but, conservatives are supposed to like guns duck.

and, thats a nice gun right there, ill be getting one when im of age


I think he's conservative culturally, not politically.

[MrPaul]

Did HL2 inspire you?

[OneManArmy]

yea sorry. can't help it. my small dick requires the use of a handgun and the need for a really big ass truck. I also enjoy as a pastime beating my wife. :p

heh no i wont be taking it to psumb. :lol: i sure as hell dont need anyone going aerobics on my ass.

[Squeeky]

I read the title of this thread and thought "CHRIST, He better not post a pic of his wang".

I like Martyr's piece. He let me hold it (after he popped out the magazine, took out the round in the chamber, put on a bullet proof vest, kevlar helmet, and hid himself in a nuclear fallout shelter).

I'm most definitely getting a firearm when i'm legal.

[Baneblade]

I want a Sig 3240.

[Breed]

It's way to easy to get hold of a gun these days, and tbh i don't think they should be allowed to be retail for a wide consumer market.
Then again this is hardly the place to be saying such things since ill wager everyone "of age" has one here, considering the majority are american and i hear it's almost a right of passage other there :P

On such things, whats the retail for one of them fat Desert Eagle's? (Don't worry about $-� i can do that myself)

[Hamma]

I'm most definitely getting a firearm when i'm legal.
We're fucked.

[Fragmatic]

Nice!

Looks SIG-ish :)

[OneManArmy]

yea, I really wanted a sig 245 but... those are hella more expensive too.... maybe down the road ill trade it in. oh and desert eagles go for around $1200-1400 give or take few $$.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Trig reccomended a Walther PPK/S based on her firearm-personality test. It also looks sort of goofy, and its shiny as hell.

[Fragmatic]

Trig reccomended a Walther PPK/S based on her firearm-personality test. It also looks sort of goofy, and its shiny as hell.

Linkage to said test?

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Linkage to said test?

It's her own assesment of guns and personality...ask her about it, I personally don't get it.

[TotalBiscuit]

Wimpiest gun ever :rofl:

TB.

[Darksim]

Get a Deagle man.
Or a Sig Sauer

[Giovanni]

Wimpiest gun ever :rofl:

TB.

A bullet is a bullet dumbass, I don't fucking care if you have a 5 inch thick forehead your head is still going to have a big hole in it after a shot of that gun.

Oh and don't you come from europe where most cops don't even have guns?

[Squeeky]

We're fucked.

No, you're fucked in January when I get my BMW 3-Series :)

[Baneblade]

I want to take Triggar's test. As long as I get the AW50 or the Sig 550. Though an HK G11 is a good one too.

[TotalBiscuit]

A bullet is a bullet dumbass, I don't fucking care if you have a 5 inch thick forehead your head is still going to have a big hole in it after a shot of that gun.

Oh and don't you come from europe where most cops don't even have guns?

Congratulations, you just passed the fuckstick test.

TB.

[Hezzy]

Oh and don't you come from europe where most cops don't even have guns?

What's that got to do with anything? Weirdo.

[Baneblade]

Congratulations, you just passed the fuckstick test.

TB.
I am beginning to think you got flamed off the OF instead of leaving of your own accord.

[TotalBiscuit]

I am beginning to think you got flamed off the OF instead of leaving of your own accord.

I assume in that case you didn't even bother reading OF because you seriously don't have any idea what flaming really is :lol:

Sorry, but if Gio will insist on being a tit then I'll do what other PSUers have advised me to do. ie "Ignore him, he's an idiot"

TB.

[Baneblade]

I'm the Chainfall, probably before your time.

[I Hate Pants]

Fuck pistols. Im getting a RPG when im old enough.

[FlamingPotato-J]

I want a tank...

[Kikinchikin]

It's way to easy to get hold of a gun these days, and tbh i don't think they should be allowed to be retail for a wide consumer market.
Then again this is hardly the place to be saying such things since ill wager everyone "of age" has one here, considering the majority are american and i hear it's almost a right of passage other there :P
Totally agree. It would not bother me a bit if guns were outlawed. That doesn't mean I support it by all means, because I know that would lead to mass hysteria (not to mention I would be flamed off these boards). I just personally don't see the point in owning a gun unless you are really into the sporting element of it. Even then, there are plenty of vastly cheaper alternatives to guns that entail doing the same thing (target practice). Wouldn't archery be a good substitute? Anyway I'm sure I'm missing something that makes guns so appealing since I am biased against them.

[Triggar]

Testosterone nearly requires it in some people.

Either that, or the fact that you live in a city that hosts:

- Spring break for high school kids and college fuckwits
- Biketoberfest
- Rolex (24?)
- Daytona 500
- Bike Week
- Black College Reunion

Yeah, I think people who live in Daytona and aren't armed are the people who are committing all the crimes with shivs in the first place.

EDIT: OMA, that's a nice gun, but if you're looking for something for home defense purposes, I'd suggest a smaller caliber - i.e. a 9mm - because a) the ammo is cheaper and b) some judges would argue that a 40 or a 45 is using "excessive force"

[martyr]

i don't like s&w, but i like her ^

[AztecWarrior]

b) some judges would argue that a 40 or a 45 is using "excessive force"
FUCK THAT.*

Even a 20mm recoilless is not "excessive force" if a serial rapist just broke into your house.

*note: I acknowledge that that is not your opinion. This is directed at said judges.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Also, the general rule is the bigger/superflous the weapon desired, the smaller the actual masculine capacity is, which means I am an action hero and Darksim would be my irritating Jeff Goldblum scientist sidekick.

[Triggar]

If a serial rapist broke into your house, legally speaking, in order to shoot him, it has to be in the front of his body, preferably one of his apendages (to neutralize him, not to kill him), and he had to have threatened to harm you or someone in the house first, and you had to make an attempt to get out of the house first.

[Squeeky]

You Needa Get A Fuckin Dezert Eagle Son

[Giovanni]

That applies to everywhere except the southern states where you can shoot people tresspassing with no questions asked :lol:.

Personally I'd just put up signs like "Free strawbberies!" with a tiny disclamer of "Tresspassers will be shot!". Oh and TB please do put me on your ignore list since well starting from now your on mine due to your incredible trolling nature.

[Triggar]

That applies to everywhere except the southern states where you can shoot people tresspassing with no questions asked

I live in Florida - the state with the most lax gun laws in the country.

[Squeeky]

I live in Florida - the state with the most lax gun laws in the country.

Texas....?

[Giovanni]

Hmmm don't Texans get to run around with their pistols in hands? Anyways, I have to inform myself on the firearms laws in Canada... I want to open a gun shop but I fear that if I stay in Canada my business will not be profitable at all.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Hmmm don't Texans get to run around with their pistols in hands? Anyways, I have to inform myself on the firearms laws in Canada... I want to open a gun shop but I fear that if I stay in Canada my business will not be profitable at all.


Sell sporting guns more then defense firearms and you should be fine.

[Giovanni]

Considering that most hunters around here either hunt illegaly with unregistered weapons... I think not. But still you have a point, it's just not as profitable as if I was in the states.

Then again I've been planning on moving to the states to supply Navarone's personal army ;)!

[TotalBiscuit]

That applies to everywhere except the southern states where you can shoot people tresspassing with no questions asked :lol:.

Personally I'd just put up signs like "Free strawbberies!" with a tiny disclamer of "Tresspassers will be shot!". Oh and TB please do put me on your ignore list since well starting from now your on mine due to your incredible trolling nature.

Translation : "I, the Mighty Giovanni, ruler of all I survey, can't take a joke. This is obviously not my fault for lacking any semblance of a sense of humour or backbone, but the fault of the evil troll TotalBiscuit, sent from the depths of Hades to torment me through my elder years"

TB.

[Sabinius]

dude, the second I get a gun, the fun has started
I don't know what I'm gonna do with it
but its gonna be fun :D

[TotalBiscuit]

dude, the second I get a gun, the fun has started
I don't know what I'm gonna do with it
but its gonna be fun :D

Well, you could protect your family.. hunt dangerous or delicious animals and keep the king of England out of your house.

TB.

[Fragmatic]

dude, the second I get a gun, the fun has started
I don't know what I'm gonna do with it
but its gonna be fun :D

You could try shooting it?

For extra fun, try my superhappyfuntime game!

What you need -
A gun
Ammo for said gun
Paper
A pen/pencil
A hat/container
A keyboard (not the computer type)

1. Write every letter of the alphabet on peices of paper, fold them, and place them in the hat/container
2. Draw a lucky letter
3. Load gun
4. Play the demo tune on the keyboard
5. Place gun to your temple
6. Sing the alphabet to the demo tune
7. Pull the trigger when your "lucky" letter is read out

Have fun :D

[Fragmatic]

Well, you could protect your family.. hunt dangerous or delicious animals and keep the king of England out of your house.

TB.

We have a king now?! :confused:

[ObnoxiousFrog]

We have a king now?! :confused:

I think it was more of a play on how archaeic the second ammendment actually is.

[Sabinius]

You could try shooting it?

For extra fun, try my superhappyfuntime game!

What you need -
A gun
Ammo for said gun
Paper
A pen/pencil
A hat/container
A keyboard (not the computer type)

1. Write every letter of the alphabet on peices of paper, fold them, and place them in the hat/container
2. Draw a lucky letter
3. Load gun
4. Play the demo tune on the keyboard
5. Place gun to your temple
6. Sing the alphabet to the demo tune
7. Pull the trigger when your "lucky" letter is read out

Have fun :D

Sounds like a new pastime for me!!! :cheers:

[Mr1337Duck]

What I was saying was that people here seem to get pissed whe I bring up things like the benefits of having weapons.

By the way, he's right. In Texas, they break in and you come out shooting. I mean, come on, Kim du Toit lives there, and he is the 1337est blogger ever. TB's from Europe. They are constantly fed the "guns are bad" line, and they don't meet a whole lot of people who are supporters of an armed populous.

[martyr]

hah, i doubt it


edit for edit:
texas has relaxed long gun laws, but they're tighter when it comes to handguns

[ChewyLSB]

The "You're never going to need a gun of that caliber" is ridiculous. Why don't we outlaw SUV's while we're at it? Very few people ACTUALLY need an SUV, and clearly they're dangerous, so why don't we outlaw them?

I am completely against the Assault Weapons ban...

[Triggar]

What most people who are for the assault weapons ban don't realise is that the AWB doesn't actually ban anything good. It bans things that make your gun more pretty.

[ChewyLSB]

What most people who are for the assault weapons ban don't realise is that the AWB doesn't actually ban anything good. It bans things that make your gun more pretty.

Exactly! The five things that can make your gun "bannable" do very little, in fact, they don't do ANYTHING. That's why I hate the AWB so much...

[Infernus]

Triggar I wanna take this test Frog speaks of... get on IRC.

[Fragmatic]

Triggar I wanna take this test Frog speaks of... get on IRC.

me too!!!!!

[Infernus]

http://images.gunsamerica.com/upload/976349185-1.jpg

Upon Triggar's personality assessment. Bersa Thunder 380.

[martyr]

those are superb weapons - and trig would know.

divx: triggar & bersa thunder (http://staff.planetside-universe.com/martyr/misc/bersa.avi)

[Infernus]

Cools... nice vid.

[Mr1337Duck]

I like how the assault weapons ban gets angry at you for having a bayonet on your gun. There's only two things you need a bayonet for:

A)You're out of ammo
B)You can't reload fast enough.


A)Umm... you have alternatives. If it's a home defense thing, pool stick + some good strong tape + kitchen knife, or at least some scissors = spear. They won't be doing too much robbing when you run 'em through with that SoaB. Or a sword, or a knife. No reason to incur the wrath of the AWB when it existed when you have some simple alternatives.
B)I'd rather take my chances on ducking behind cover and reloading over rushing somebody with a bayonet if they're shooting at you.

[ChewyLSB]

Pretty much ANYTHING on the Assault Weapon Ban's list is ridiculous.

1) Bayonet

What the HELL are you going to do with a bayone.t Seriously. How many bayonet murders have there been in the 10 years preceding the Assault Weapons Ban?

2) Grenade Launcher

Hello? 1936 National Firearms Act anyone?

3) Flash Suppressor

This only reduces the flash for the USER, it doesn't do anything to anyone looking at the gun.

4) Folding Stock

There are already laws in place that, even if a gun has a folding stock, the barrel has to be protruding a certain distance out.

5) Pistol Grip

What kind of guns have this? Very few.

[AztecWarrior]

If a serial rapist broke into your house, legally speaking, in order to shoot him, it has to be in the front of his body, preferably one of his apendages (to neutralize him, not to kill him), and he had to have threatened to harm you or someone in the house first, and you had to make an attempt to get out of the house first.
I'm sure this is easy to remember in a panic, esp. when he's threatening to kill your family with a knife.

[JetRaiden]

anyone see that video where they talk about drive by bayonetings? I think it was posted here a while ago.

[Infernus]

anyone see that video where they talk about drive by bayonetings? I think it was posted here a while ago.

I remember that :rofl:

[Triggar]

anyone see that video where they talk about drive by bayonetings? I think it was posted here a while ago.

Excessive Force = Spending time in jail, ruining my future

vs.

Trying to get the hell out of there?

I'd rather someone break in, take what they want (homeowner's insurance for the win) and then leave instead of hanging around and looking for an excuse to shoot someone.

[Infernus]

Can drive by bayonetting be considered jousting?

[Mr1337Duck]

I'd rather someone break in, take what they want (homeowner's insurance for the win) and then leave instead of hanging around and looking for an excuse to shoot someone.

I live in Topeka, KS, which has a pretty good crime rate, despite the attempts by the cops to fiddle with numbers to cover it up rather than go and fix it. I've heard about plenty of people who get killed or injured by intruders in my city. When he comes into your house, you give him no benefit of doubt. The worst thing you can do in that kind of situation is assign the intruder your own sense of morality.


Beyond that, you say you should give him what he wants, rather than defend it. He doesn't deserve that stuff, and when he encounters no resistence, you only encourage him to repeat the act, or perhaps go even further, emboldened by your lack of resistance. What you should do in the event of home intrusion, when they kick down one of your doors or break a window or whatever:

A)Locate a weapon, any weapon, like a knife or a firearm, the latter being preferred.
B)Wait in room off to the side of a hallway or whatever, a dark room, preferrably, so as to catch them by suprise.
C)When they walk by or enter, draw your weapon and demand that they leave.
D)If they leave, well and good, watch them as they leave, so they don't try to turn around at the corner and come back. If they attempt to draw a weapon or begin moving towards you, open fire or attack with the previously mentioned makeshift spear, knife, etc. Continue attacking until they are incapacitated, dead or alive.
E)Call 911

One thing not to do if they catch you unarmed is to allow yourself to be bound and gagged. This goes into not giving the criminal your sense of morality. They may decide to shoot you in the back of the head or slit your throat, or rape you if you're a woman. No thank you. Run away if you're in that situation. Do ANYTHING to escape from that kind of situation, because at that point they've got you at a MASSIVE disadvantage. If you have to gouge their eyes out, kick them in the balls, take a big bite out of their neck, whatever, it doesn't matter. You just get out.
*Note, you could attempt fighting unarmed, but unless you have serious martial arts training, it wouldn't be recommended. Hell, even if you did have it it's not hugely recommended.



And that is the Mr1337Duck opinion on self defense.

[Triggar]

Here's my take on this:

My TV vs. the life of my boyfriend

If I can't get out, or if the intruder has anything within reach that can be used to hurt me or John, I will shoot them.

If the intruder is some teenage kid with my stereo in his hand, running away to get out, I'm not shooting him in the back and spending the next 10+ years in jail.

If the intruder is some big guy with a ski mask on, carrying a crowbar, I will shoot him.

I am not compromising my "morality" - killing in self-defense isn't something that will get me excommunicated - and I am not 'emboldening' anyone. Stuff can be replaced, I know, I've lost everything I owned in a housefire. If there is a threat to me or my boyfriend, I will shoot first to neutralize. If they are undeterred, I will shoot to kill.

[OneManArmy]

phew. this topic just got long. and I'm not really getting it for self defense. otherwise yea, I probally would get a 9mm. My friend carries around a glock and I love it. Its a great gun to shoot. this is more for fun/hobby. there are plenty of other pistols I would prefer but they're not as cheap as this one.

[Fragmatic]

My friend carries around a glock and I love it.

You just pissed of martyr with that statement ;)

[Triggar]

Glock = exploding metal on your hand = no thanks

[AztecWarrior]

Glock = exploding metal on your hand = no thanks
Wrong.

Glock > Walther

Although I am partial to big pistols- my hands are massive and I have fat fingers. I can't operate some types of cell phone. So if I could somehow manage to stuff it in somewhere, I'd carry a USP.

[JetRaiden]

Wrong.

Glock > Walther

Although I am partial to big pistols- my hands are massive and I have fat fingers. I can't operate some types of cell phone. So if I could somehow manage to stuff it in somewhere, I'd carry a USP.

bah your russian weaponry.

Five-Sevens all the way.

[ChronoSphere]

For the record in the state of Florida:

1. In order to use lethal force (it doesn't matter whether you're using a .50AE round, or a .22LR, a firearm is considered a lethal weapon) you have to believe that you are in imminent danger of death or bodily harm, and you have to have no means of retreat from the threat. There is no duty to retreat in your home or place of business (the Castle Doctrine)

2. When it comes for self defense, again, at least in FL, caliber size has no bearing on 'excessive force' because a firearm is a lethal weapon. So the advice is to use the largest caliber you can handle comfertably. For those folks like me, who don't have the money to buy 2 different guns, one for plinking and one for protection, a .40S&W is a good compromise. .40 Hydrashoks WILL take someone down, and you can pickup a box of 100 rounds of 165grain FMJs for plinking at Walmart for $16, vs $12 for a box of 100 9mm's. There's a reason why the .40S&W is quickly becoming the preferred caliber for cops.

3. In response to what Triggar said concerning the hypothetical rapist situation:

A. Again, you have to be in fear of death or great bodily harm before you can employ lethal force.
B. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO RETREAT IN YOUR HOME
C. Generally speaking, the person needs to be advancing upon you, and a threat somehow has been made (If you pull a gun on the guy, and he keeps advancing, thats usually interpreted as a threat)
D. When you take a CCW course, they teach to shoot for center body mass for a reason. Easiest to hit, and in a situation like that, you're probably not going to have time to aim for an arm. You are in fear of your life, i.e. if you do not take action, you could die. You aim your weapon, and fire at the perpetrator. Once he hits the ground, thats it, your not supposed to 'finish' him off or anything, you fire until the threat is neutralized. If he dies from his wounds, oh well. If he recovers, thats ok too, as far as the law is concerned. The idea of justified lethal force is that you are to incapacitate your attacker.
E. In the case of say, someone breaking into Triggar's house, and shes home alone, lets say that the goblin advances upon her, and she pulls her weapon, lines up her sights, and says "get out of my house". He is, at least to visible inspection, unarmed. If he advances, Triggar can shoot him. There are folks who say that the attacker has to have the means for you to shoot - well, you see a 5-11" guys (not very tall) advancing upon a short girl like her, no DA would even be willing to think about prosecuting. That's the entire point of having a firearm - its the great equalizer. I don't care how big, how fast, how strong you air, I can still put a round in you, no matter my size.

Wooo, ok done.

[AztecWarrior]

bah your russian weaponry.

Five-Sevens all the way.
Glock is Austrian.

[JetRaiden]

Bah, only about 10 months until I can own a firearm.

Glock is Austrian.
I was talking about the USP

[AztecWarrior]

As a footnote, I am going shooting Sunday- With any luck, I want to get a pic of me with my AK-47 (SAR-1, Rumanian, semi-auto).

Bah, only about 10 months until I can own a firearm.


I was talking about the USP
That's German. You may know it beter as the SOCOM.

[ChronoSphere]

My little friend.....

Though quite capable of putting holes in things :D

http://www.world.guns.ru/handguns/hk_p2000.jpg
HKp2000 in .40S&W (they also make a 9mm, and a subcompact called the p2000SK, also in .40s&W and 9mm)

[AztecWarrior]

Well- until I have kids in the household, and because I get to take my SAR with me once I become of legal age, that will be my home defense weapon. Someone breaks a window, a long arm is more "intimidating" than a barely-visible pistol.

Once youngsters pop out, I'll get a safe.

[JetRaiden]

As a footnote, I am going shooting Sunday- With any luck, I want to get a pic of me with my AK-47 (SAR-1, Rumanian, semi-auto).


That's German. You may know it beter as the SOCOM.

wtf the USP and the SOCOM are the same? No wonder they look so similar...

shows how much I know about guns. :doh:


oh well, Im learning more everyday. :D

[ChronoSphere]

Good idea, a shotgun is the best thing. Problem is, FL is not an open carry state, so if you LEAVE the house, gotta conceal. I don't recommend wearing trenchcoats to hide a rifle in during the summer, so pistols are good :)

[AztecWarrior]

Good idea, a shotgun is the best thing. Problem is, FL is not an open carry state, so if you LEAVE the house, gotta conceal. I don't recommend wearing trenchcoats to hide a rifle in during the summer, so pistols are good :)
But aren't there bears outside?

I kid- that's why God invented the shorty AK. I'll just cut off some unnecessary parts like the butt assembly, barre- fuckit, I'll somehow manage to hide a USP.

[JetRaiden]

Good idea, a shotgun is the best thing. Problem is, FL is not an open carry state, so if you LEAVE the house, gotta conceal. I don't recommend wearing trenchcoats to hide a rifle in during the summer, so pistols are good :)

if you were a big poncho Im sure you could conceal a shotgun (maybe 2 or 3) pretty easily. :p

I plan on buying a pistol when I turn 18 (if possible) and getting a license for concealment. not just for protection, but to freak out my mom.

[ChronoSphere]

Oh yeah, if you want to know about the laws in your state concerning concealed carry, use of lethal force, and how to get a permit, go to www.Packing.org (http://www.packing.org). That site has info on every state in the union, as well as active forums where folks from diffeent states discuss issues, so you can get a pretty good idea of the climate of the laws as they are enforced as well as written.

Stay Safe!

[JetRaiden]

:thumbsup: thanks chrono, you're the man.

[AztecWarrior]

you're the man.
now dog

[Giovanni]

Again, too bad I live in Canada... my uncle could have defended his home much easier then he did now.

About two weeks ago he was sleeping lightly and opened his eyes to see a face in his window but it dissapeared so fast he thought it was his imagination. So he went to grab a glass of water and he passed in front of the room of his children and saw the same face after wich he knew it wasnt his imagination. The house being dark the perps didnt see him so he sneaked out of the house and came around to them and beat the shit out of the one holding the other one on his shoulders to the window, he was then knocked by a wooden beam to the head and they ran away, he woke up called the cops the children were still sleeping.

Had we been in the USA he could have just shot them... but then again my uncle is a moron for not calling the cops before acting, hell even acting was stupid since THEY could have had a gun.

[MilitantB0B]

Totally agree. It would not bother me a bit if guns were outlawed. That doesn't mean I support it by all means, because I know that would lead to mass hysteria (not to mention I would be flamed off these boards). I just personally don't see the point in owning a gun unless you are really into the sporting element of it. Even then, there are plenty of vastly cheaper alternatives to guns that entail doing the same thing (target practice). Wouldn't archery be a good substitute? Anyway I'm sure I'm missing something that makes guns so appealing since I am biased against them.
I hate to derail somebody elses thread, but I have to respond.

People any more seem to not understand why America has the right to bear arms. It has nothing to do with hunting, self protection, or militias. What people fail to understand is that in America we have the right to revelution!
Sounds crazy, but I don't care. Read the Federalist Papers and you will hear it straight from the founding fathers that they wanted citizens to be able to own military munitions as yet another check in the american system of checks and balances.
As an armed populace we always have one last resort if our government fails to be the democratic representation of us.

Ahh, now that I got that out of my system,

Nice shooter! Its not a 1911, but its still ok, I guess... :p

[Mr1337Duck]

About two weeks ago he was sleeping lightly and opened his eyes to see a face in his window but it dissapeared so fast he thought it was his imagination. So he went to grab a glass of water and he passed in front of the room of his children and saw the same face after wich he knew it wasnt his imagination. The house being dark the perps didnt see him so he sneaked out of the house and came around to them and beat the shit out of the one holding the other one on his shoulders to the window, he was then knocked by a wooden beam to the head and they ran away, he woke up called the cops the children were still sleeping.


Gio's uncle for 73|-| \/\/1|\|.

Militantbob is also right. That's what I understanding it to be for. Decreases in crime, the ability to hund, and improved national defense capability are just aftereffects.

[MrPaul]

Decreases in crime,
Aren't there like 11,000 people killed by guns in America every year? Or does that not count as crime because it's legal 'cause they were trespassing? :doh:

[Triggar]

Wrong.

Glock > Walther

:lol:

:rofl:

:lol:

Poor kid!

[Infernus]

:lol:

:rofl:

:lol:

Poor kid!

Indeed

[ChronoSphere]

MilitantBob is absolutely right. One of the first things totalitarian regimes do is outlaw weapons possesion by the populace; the Soviets did it, the Nazis did it, and the Chinese definately still do it.

[AztecWarrior]

What's so bad about Glocks?

[OfaLoaf]

Aren't there like 11,000 people killed by guns in America every year? Or does that not count as crime because it's legal 'cause they were trespassing? :doh:
Nuh-uh! If we ban guns, only bandits will have guns! After all, the bandits all have underground gun making plants where they can get them quite easily!

[AztecWarrior]

Nuh-uh! If we ban guns, only bandits will have guns! After all, the bandits all have underground gun making plants where they can get them quite easily!
If crack gets in, guns do.

[OfaLoaf]

If crack gets in, guns do.
Absolutley, but they don't always come, and there are so many places where the shipments can be intercepted.


/derail
All we got here is an old .22 Remington rifle and some of my Grandpa's old shotguns and stuff from the war, 75% of which is rusted over.

[Giovanni]

Resotre them you ass! A good old rifle from WWII kicks ass.

[OfaLoaf]

Resotre them you ass! A good old rifle from WWII kicks ass.
I'd have to go find them again, and I'm not certain how to get replacement parts or how much they'd cost. My grandpa drove a tank, so a lot of the guns he had were looted from Germans and stuff. How expensive would replacement bits for a nazi gun be?

[Baneblade]

So Trig, how do I take this gun toter quiz?