Quit while you're ahead?

[Navaron]

The french should have learned too....

http://www.drudgereport.com

more specifically

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1042491836448

[ABRAXAAS]

I dont want to get into these political threads but this is kinda retarded, the US is acting like a bunch of big babies, its the classic "your not listening to me so im taking my toys an going home" scenario. the french doesnt agree with the us so there going to cause problems for them ... and I quote "

'The resolution is only one of several efforts being considered in Congress to punish French industry. Dennis Hastert, speaker of the House, has discussed with Republican colleagues imposing regulations on French wine and bottled water imported into the US.'


:eek:
thats juts sad

[Civilian]

It's not sad, it's justice. When France joined NATO they agreed to defend other NATO countries if they were in danger of being attacked. They chose not to help defend Turkey and they should pay some sort of price. It just shows how weak organizations like NATO and the United Nations really are. One descending vote in the security council is enough to stop any action.

I am anti-war, but there is time when action must be taken. And though I don't believe that time has arrived, the Germans and French believe that time will NEVER come.

If the US really wants to punish France, pull out of NATO and watch it dissolve.

[Sputty]

Easy answer: Kick them out of NATO....

[mistled]

Originally posted by Civilian
It's not sad, it's justice. When France joined NATO they agreed to defend other NATO countries if they were in danger of being attacked. They chose not to help defend Turkey and they should pay some sort of price. It just shows how weak organizations like NATO and the United Nations really are. One descending vote in the security council is enough to stop any action. :stupid:
I've said it before and here it is again... America hates cowards. That's all there is to it. And we hate people who make weapons deals with terrorist nations almost as much. (yeah, that's not proven, but get over it :))

[mistled]

Originally posted by Sputty
Easy answer: Kick them out of NATO.... Easier answer: Get the hell out of NATO ourselves.

[Nohimn]

I agree! If they don't withhold their side of the deal! That's what they get! But we will probably see some bootlegging

[Sputty]

I think NATO is important as an "institution"(We've been suefyul before in more peacekeeping-ish missions) and the fact that leaving NATO wouild look bad on the U.S.'s side. What about all the countries who voted yes? Also, it would look bad that when U.S.'s enemy is gone to just leave that.

[�io]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
And we hate people who make weapons deals with terrorist nations almost as much

And you think Americans haven't? I highly doubt not 1 single american has made deals with terrorists and such. :)

And i agree with Sputty, leaving NATO just because 1 country says no would be a bad thing. Best thing i see is kick france out of NATO...or nuke 'em...either way. :D

[Sputty]

Either way we have to deal alot less with the french(not french-Canadians Dio. The country France)

[Nohimn]

I hate the french. I also hate french culture.

http://www.realfears.com/fears.php?index=f

[ABRAXAAS]

Navaron you just love startin threads for people to argue in, your a uber troll:D

[Sputty]

This isn't an arguement. More of a "Why I hate the french" thread. That being said Nav isn't trolling but allowing us t debate a topic.

[Nohimn]

debate what? It all boils down to that everyone on the forums hates the french.

[mistled]

I would like to point out something to all of you who think NATO is actually useful. Back when Turkey, a member of NATO, was under attack, it was France, with its veto power that refused to allow NATO to defend them.
The entire concept of NATO was to provide a defensive network. It was a fear thing. If you attack one member country, you are effectively attacking them all. That was the whole point. NATO was to serve as a deterrent to would be attackers. But if NATO doesn't even have the balls to defend its own members, what is its use?? It is no longer a deterrent for attacking nations because they know that NATO might not defend its members.

[�io]

Heh, i'm Canadian Sputty don't worry about the french thing. :p

[mistled]

Originally posted by Nohimn
debate what? It all boils down to that everyone on the forums hates the french. heehee... everyone's got to hate someone, don't they??

[Sputty]

I don't think any country in the world likes France and if any do it's Belgium....

[�io]

Meh, i don't really care either way about any country really. :D

[mistled]

I dont' know Sputty, Germany's being pretty buddy buddy with them over this whole Iraq thing.

[Civilian]

I don't "hate" the French, I despise their culture. In this case the French are more likely to support the U.S. than the Germans. Schroeder screwed himself by spewing that anti-war rhetoric during the elections in Germany. For him, it's all about politics, he couldn't care less if Hussein was prepared to nuke Turkey or Saudi Arabia.

[Sputty]

That's only because france has been so ammicable in the past. Letting them come over all the time...And who thinks after NATO(mainly U.S.Britain, Canada) defended Germany for so long they'd want to be nice...Guess not

[ABRAXAAS]

Originally posted by Dio
Meh, i don't really care either way about any country really. :D

Im with you :D

[Bighoss]

I hate Paris stupidest city I went to in Europe. Wasted 2 days... expensive as hell with nothing that cool to see.

I think France is tired of being a yes man and for once one something that deserves some debate they're saying NO because we are ze french

[Sputty]

Weel, France have been a "yes man" to their allies. Even in the Cold War.

[Nohimn]

I am forced into a french class (because my bootleg school from the ghetto offers no other class), and I have to learn about french culture.:scared:

[Sputty]

I was forced into French class. Different reason. I didn't do very well with it

[Airlift]

What this thread needs is the Civ3: Persian Gulf Expansion (http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml)

[Bighoss]

lol this is exactly whats gonna happen. By then though suicide bombers won't get into America cuz we'll not let any Arab of Muslim people in. Anyone trying to sneak in will be shot. We'll do what we had to do with the Japanese and keep them in light secruity prison type things. We'll say shit we made a mistake. Europe will go yah you did but we need to help you. lots of troops come we kick their ass because our weapons are so much better but still a shit load of casulties. Not gonna be a walk in park. We get oil it tastes good and we drink it all in 20 years then we declare war on eachother for every last drop. Then oil companies die hydrogen fuel comes

THE END

[Sputty]

:rofl: That's funny..More like Civ II though. BTW at that point in Civ II I'd pull bakc my army and nukify that area. If ound nukes important in all the civs. The funny thing is that they'd be so destroyed I'd jsut go in and destroy the cities because they're so damaged, clean up and prepare to colonize it with my own new cities. >:|

[Nohimn]

hilarious! But I really expect Saddam to burn all the oil before he dies. bastard..

[Hamma]

NATO doesent really serve any purpose anymore anyway.

[Bighoss]

Its kinda clear now that the US really has no intention of keeping tight with Europe. I think its looking now for econmic allies... The East.

come back and talk to us NATO when you get the EU going:D

[�io]

I say Canada and America united, we build a huge army and invade europe, make one big nation, we'll call it United States of Auraxis, what ya think?

[Sputty]

Sounds good.

[Zatrais]

The president of france has HUGE investments in Iraq, he knows war will be inevitable... He'll make a ton of money on a liberated iraq that is free to export oil... He's just saying no because well hes on a anti america popularity wave.. The only reason he's even president is because the french people tought he was the lesser devil of the 2 candidates that made it to the voting bills.

As for the german president, he's just basicly doing the same because he based his entire campain on anti america... The german economy is struggeling so he's just looking for something to distract the voters whit.

[KoldFusion]

lot of good points here..... so let me have mine :) Pulling out of NATO is not the answer since only three nations are the problem. You kick those three out and move along. I 100% that France, Germany, and Belgium (WTF is Belgium) are being asses about this whole and deserve punitive action from the alliance (it is always good to police yourself). That being said.... Those have said "It is not about if we will defend Turkey.... it is about the timing". Now though I still think they are stupid and wrong for not unconditionally helping an ally I believe the French will hop on the bandwagon in the last hour to say "Look have what we done! We are powerful and influenced the American Policy". Thats exactly how I feel. This is Germany, France, and Russia who have sour grapes b/c they are really 2-bit nobody countries. Russia has said itself in recent weeks " It wants a Bi-polar world. Not one run by the United States". Sound like a bunch of whinos to me. Iraq is a problem... yes. But I think that we need switch fronts here. Let the Inspectors have more time ONLY because I feel the bigger threat is N. Korea and that mad man is out of is mind and must be delt with by the UN security council. Might as well not try sanctions b/c he already he would count that as a declaration of war. So just roll the troops in.
In dealing with N.Korea we re-unite the world on what they view is a common problem. If N.Korea can hit the West Coast they can damn near hit all of Europe. So if the world unites under a common banner to fight N.Korea... tensions will simmer down guess what? Iraq and it's weapons will still be there. I'm done.....................for now:p