Disproving Global Warming

[Jaged]

I have a theory that global warming is a hoax, and I have devised an experiment to proove it. Now I can't proove that the earth is or is not warming, but I belive I can proove that the the theory that the polar ice caps are melting and causing the oceans to rise is false.

Take a glass, fill it with water, put some ice cubes in it. Mark where the water line is with tape and cover the glass to prevent evaporation.

My theory is that the amount that the ice sticks up above the water is roughly equal to the amount the ice expands when it is frozen. That would mean that when the ice melted, the water level would stay the same, because the ice shrinking in volume when it melted would counteract the ice that is currently above the water line. In theory this would also be true on a global scale with the polar ice caps being really big ice cubes in a really big glass.

I made my little contraption and am still waiting to see if my theory holds true.
http://www.speakeasy.org/~pj99/11-29-04_1922.jpg
I encourage other people to try this and see if they get the same results as I get.

I will post what happens when the ice melts.

[oddfish]

Global warming is horseshit. more "the sky is falling" b.s. from environmentalist wackos.. *sigh*

[Jaged]

Yes, but proving it to be false would be fun.

[Rbstr]

but rising sea levels are only part of the problem, you kill the deep ocean currents without ice caps and that would cause huge weatherpattern shifts, and some people have therorized that it could acctulay throw the earth into a different spin(the winter/summer wobble we have could go poof)

Now global warming isn't immediate, but if could have rather grave consequences down the line.

[JetRaiden]

Global warming is funny.

[oddfish]

Global warming is funny.
:nod:

[ObnoxiousFrog]

By then the robots will have taken over anyway, using us as labor in thier flying cities. So we won't need to worry about New York being flooded once a fusion device has been detonated in it by the Android Liberation Army.

However, if any movies related to this are true, our one true savior is Jake Gyllenhaal, who I would follow into hell.

[Triggar]

Global warming isn't horseshit you dipshits. Study meterology.

[Jaged]

Global warming isn't horseshit you dipshits. Study meterology.
The ice hasent fully melted yet, but the water remains at exactly the same level.

Supposing the water never moves. What then?

[FlamingPotato-J]

GO TRIGGAR!!!

Beat em to death with their own ignorance!!!
w00t!

[oddfish]

Global warming isn't horseshit you dipshits. Study meterology.

triggar, i love you to death, but everytime i look at temperature history for different parts of the world it just seems to be doing the same stuff it does all the time: five years of two or three degree decrease in normal climate, five years of increase, five years where it levels out, and the cycle repeats.

[Triggar]

Global warming = the Earth's ozone is depleted to the point where it can't absorb ultraviolet radiation, raising the average temperature of the planet I don't remember what the precise degree measure is per year but it's significant enough.

[EarlyDawn]

I have a theory that global warming is a hoax, and I have devised an experiment to proove it. Now I can't proove that the earth is or is not warmingI stopped reading right there. :rofl: :lol:

[Jaged]

:mad: read the rest of my post. It makes sence.

[oddfish]

instead of Global Warming there should be Global Frosting. Everything would be coated in a thick layer of chocolate icing. yay.

[Derfud]

Part of the warming we are experiencing right now is just our planet coming out the the ends of an Ice Age (We are still in it). However, this process has been accelerated thanks to pollution, and will eventually go past coming out of the ice age, and go into a global warming.

[oddfish]

Part of the warming we are experiencing right now is just our planet coming out the the ends of an Ice Age (We are still in it). However, this process has been accelerated thanks to pollution, and will eventually go past coming out of the ice age, and go into a global warming.

can you tell me where most of the world's pollution has come from?

[EarlyDawn]

I did, but couldn't resist taking that shot at you.

I don't particularly have a leaning regarding global warming. Both sides of the fence make sense. That said, the additional radiation is our atmosphere must be having some kind of effect on our atmosphere. I just wonder if we'll see it now or later.

Also, how do you account for large air pockets / gaps in the ice? It would theroreticall add to the water displacement, but obviously wouldn't melt, and thus, wouldn't contribute to the balance factor you describe.

[Jaged]

On an average though, across all the ice it should balance out.

[Triggar]

This guy (http://www.erau.edu/faculty/WayneGolding.html) taught me that Global Warming was real, and was problematic for the long-term survival of the human species.

Believing a high school kid on a forum vs. Believing the man who "was responsible for providing or arranging meteorological and oceanographic support to special operations forces worldwide"

[oddfish]

we're all going to die.

[JetRaiden]

instead of Global Warming there should be Global Frosting. Everything would be coated in a thick layer of chocolate icing. yay.

:lol: I agree.

[Hydralisk]

Umm. The amount that ice floats depends on the density of the ice. The less dense the ice is, the less water it produces when melted. The denser the ice cube(ever noticed the air pockets in them?) the more water produced. So in theory you WOULD BE right if you don't take into consideration how the tides and winds affect the billions upon billions of different water depths all over any place with water.

[Jaged]

This guy (http://www.erau.edu/faculty/WayneGolding.html) taught me that Global Warming was real, and was problematic for the long-term survival of the human species.

Believing a high school kid on a forum vs. Believing the man who "was responsible for providing or arranging meteorological and oceanographic support to special operations forces worldwide"
Im sure there are very intelligent people on both sides of the issue. This proves little.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

http://img48.exs.cx/img48/3476/bubblesavior.png

Prophecy?

[JetRaiden]

Umm. The amount that ice floats depends on the density of the ice. The less dense the ice is, the less water it produces when melted. The denser the ice cube(ever noticed the air pockets in them?) the more water produced. So in theory you WOULD BE right if you don't take into consideration how the tides and winds affect the billions upon billions of different water depths all over any place with water.

um...isnt sea level basically the same everywhere in the world?

[oddfish]

http://img48.exs.cx/img48/3476/bubblesavior.png

Prophecy?
:confused:

[Hydralisk]

um...isnt sea level basically the same everywhere in the world? I just made all that shit up in a feeble attempt to sound smart.

[Squeeky]

ultraviolet

:scared:

[Triggar]

It's your cherry, not mine ;)

[Jaged]

:lol:

[Squeeky]

I want it back :(

[JetRaiden]

:scared:


:lol: :lol: dude, you've never explained what happened with that. its more then thread worthy.

[Squeeky]

:lol: :lol: dude, you've never explained what happened with that. its more then thread worthy.

Oh hell naw :lol:

Speaking of which, her birthday is Tuesday. I may call her, and *gasp* be nice and wish her a happy birthday.

Believe it or not, I did care alot about her. I still do kinda...bleh

Anyways, thread hijack = teh noes :p

Back to umm, bashing Jaged's flawed theory :lol:

[oddfish]

We need more Global Raping. We should strip mine more.

[JetRaiden]

Oh hell naw :lol:

Speaking of which, her birthday is Tuesday. I may call her, and *gasp* be nice and wish her a happy birthday.

Believe it or not, I did care alot about her. I still do kinda...bleh

Anyways, thread hijack = teh noes :p

Back to umm, bashing Jaged's flawed theory :lol:

:lol: yea Jaged you're a moron. :p

[Jaged]

:love:

[Jaged]

Ice melted, no change in water level whatsover. What now? I belive I win.


edit: double post doh

[MrPaul]

Did you take into account glaciers? No. Mountaintops? No. Other large pieces of ice throughout the world? I don't think so. Granted, icebergs don't make a difference to the sea level when they melt individually, but whenn all the aforementioned ice formations are melted together, then the difference will be huge. The experiment for this on your scale would be (something like):
Take a bowl. Put water in. Put say, 4 ice cubes in it, and 3 ice cubes above the water (on some kind of perch). Then the water should rise. (If it doesn't, then the scale is just far too small to notice; after all, the sea is several km deep, and your glass/ bowl is several cm deep, so there probably is a change, just not a very noticable. And if there is a change anyway with the experiment i suggested, take that measurement and multiply it by roughly 10,000 to 100,000, and that'll give a basic idea of how much the level will rise once we losed glaciers/ caps etc.

And as for "the many depths of the ocean." That's perfectly correct in essence; you just can't see the varying depth for example. What about the North Atlantic ridge? That's very, very deep. Whereas certain undersea mountain ranges are barely under the surface of the sea.

:love:

[Neon Apocalypse]

Jaged I've studied global warming so let me tell you a few things.

Global warming is not a hoax. The temperature is rising because greenhouse gases are trapping heat in the atmosphere. This heat melts the polar ice caps.

What you're saying may be true, but there is ice on land that can make the sea level rise. However it still doesnt matter if the sea level rises, what matters is that the cold water will mess up the ocean currents. This could screw up global winds and create cold fronts, which could even start an ice age, though I don't think it would be that serious.

Sea levels have nothing to do with global warming, sure they can flood coastlines but it doesnt affect climate.

Another thing is that most glaciers aren't formed on water. They are formed on land, then slide on to water. So they actually are contributing to the sea level, even if half the glacier has moved into water.

[Hydralisk]

Err, okay guys! I got us a plan! We're gonna launch some-a them glaciers into space! That'll show all them Global Warmin' bullshittin' fucks!

[BlackHawk]

The Runaway Greenhouse Effect (http://www.xs4all.nl/~mke/Runaway_greenhouse.htm)

:love: Exit Mundi :)

[OfaLoaf]

um...isnt sea level basically the same everywhere in the world?
Not really, the Atlantic and Pacific are at slightly different levels. Don't ask me how I know this.

[Neon Apocalypse]

Not to mention that the moon also affects sea levels slightly.

[Rbstr]

and large masses like cliffs and mountians right next the the sea acctualy can raid sea levels a small amount due to gravity,

Tides(moon) can raise lower sea levels a huge ammount.

Liek it's been said before the ice melting and flooding stuff is only part of the problem. And you see one posibliity is we get thrown into an ice age, the problem here is it would be a rather quick onset, and evolution wouldn't have much time to kick in, leaving alot of speices dead. Humans could theroreticly adapt easily, but things we depend on for food will die unless we protect them, and covereing a corn field with a heated dome costs alot.

[oddfish]

Not to mention that the moon also affects sea levels slightly.

the moon is magic.

[OfaLoaf]

the moon is magic.
That's because it's made of cheese.

[Triggar]

The moon has orange soil.


I'm not even joking.

[AztecWarrior]

Methane (CH4) is the largest contributor to the greenhouse effect.

So stop farting.

[EarlyDawn]

As has been said in this thread, there's a great deal more in play here then an ice cube in a glass. :lol:

[Ivan]

As has been said in this thread, there's a great deal more in play here then an ice cube in a glass. :lol:
Yeah like the crab people. Just remember the Crap poeple have a lot to do with Global Warming. ;)

[Triggar]

Crabbbbbbbb peeeeeeeople
Crabbbbbbbb peeeeeeeople

Look like crab
Talk like peeeeople

[JetRaiden]

Crabbbbbbbb peeeeeeeople
Crabbbbbbbb peeeeeeeople

Look taste like crab
Talk like peeeeople

fixed. South Park noob :p ;)

[Triggar]

:lol:

[Ivan]

Craaaab Peeeeeeople!!! (http://www.tridot.net/images/stuff/CRABPEOPLE.wav) <<< Love that song. (Click to listen) :lol:

[Triggar]

Tee hee he he he eee

[I Hate Pants]

Increased hurricanes because of warmer ocean temp.

warmer ocean temp. leads to ice caps melting

ice caps melting lead to rise in water levels (or maybe because i've been pissing in the atlantic for the past 5 years)

[AztecWarrior]

This can all be summarized rather simply, this global warming or not crap:

We're all going to die before anything serious happens. Or maybe not.

[_-Gunslinger-_]

What does cost matter if an ice age happened? A whole LOT of people would die. And life > money. So I would imagin that engineers and such would be able to figure a way to survive. For instance if the ice age killed alot of the foliage there would be near constant wind, and strong wind at that. Now all we have to do is build LOTS of windmills. As time goes on society will get through it.

And who says humanicide (human genocide, made up word :D) is a bad thing? Rainbow six anyone? j/king