Discussion of recent PSU events

[Jaged]

No one can deny that what just happened is big. Einne, henya, Heavy and r3d are all gone. To not allow us to talk about would truly be nazism. I am sure everyone wants to talk about it. Please don't lock this thread.

discuss.

[Triggar]

Go ahead and talk about it, but for the love of God, don't flame, don't create more drama than there already is.

[AztecWarrior]

I'm so going to fail the quiz tomorrow.

To be honest, I'm only really going to miss Eine.

Move along, nothing to see here.

[EarlyDawn]

I would tend to agree. Keep it logical and mature, but don't censor it.

That would be a step down a controvercial path, imo.

[martyr]

i have plenty of respect for those who left quietly, and sincerely hope to encounter them again in our future net wanderings.

[Doop]

I will miss Eine. I talked to him on AIM, he's a cool guy, I'm sorry he left, but I lost respect from Heavy and r3d.

PSU went through a "dark patch". No big deal. We'll survive.

[EarlyDawn]

Much love for all of them. I don't agree, but I see their point. The shift in moderation style that happened a while back isn't for everyone.

[Hydralisk]

I'm going to miss Eine. I didn't have many conversations with r3d or Heavy though.

[Ivan]

Eine took the high road. Didn't go all ape shit just said bye and moved on. +100,000,000 points to him. The rest just need more growing up.

[Jaged]

I really want to leave, but I know I would come back. *sigh*

Hamma called it last time there was drama in PSU. Every few months something big happens. Everyone is always like OMG OMG PSU IS GONNA DIE. We are still alive and kicking baby. Highway to hell, going down!

[MrVicchio]

Whenever people leave it's sad, it's sad when old hands go.

It's sad what has been happening to PSU in recent months, this used to be a fun and enjoyable place, where people were free to be themselves, and when they stepped over the bound they got smacked for it, delt with it and moved on... now people are getting banned and are scared of being banned. It saddens me.

:(

[EarlyDawn]

/agree

I honestly think a revert back to the old, more relaxed moderation style would be good.

[Triggar]

No one has gotten banned who hasn't asked for it outright.

[JetRaiden]

Eine took the high road. Didn't go all ape shit just said bye and moved on. +100,000,000 points to him. The rest just need more growing up.

qf to the t


In conclusion: People whine too much.

[AztecWarrior]

Agreed (we need old skool moderation), though I doubt that will occur.

[EarlyDawn]

No one has gotten banned who hasn't asked for it outright.True, but I get the sense that people feel smothered.

[xmodum]

Wow........I leave for 20 min to eat dinner.....and all this O_O I liked Eine, but r3d was kinda bad....Heavy and me disagreed too much. But anyways.....the only reason I was taking sides with hamma, was because the only thing I noticed going on was Dhark getting IRC permaban....I already knew it would happen when he got in IRC...
-100,000,000 to those who left with direspect to these forums.

[TheN00b]

Huh, what, eh, :huh: :eek: :eek: ?!!!

They all left?

[MrVicchio]

True, but I get the sense that people feel smothered.


QFT

[Triggar]

True, but I get the sense that people feel smothered.

You would be surprised just how little moderating is actually needed around here.

And, in turn, how much actually happens.

[AztecWarrior]

Huh, what, eh, :huh: :eek: :eek: ?!!!

They all left?
Congratulations, you're the confused guy lobbing nukes 5 minutes after the Cold War ended.

[eXoSloth]

I'm taking this chance to say goodbye to the community that I have been part of, more or less, for over a year now. r3d pretty much summed up my thoughts towards the moderation of this board, and the censoring of a certain website was pretty much the final straw http://planetside-universe.com/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif

I doubt many of you will miss me, but

Goodbye PSU!

[AztecWarrior]

-BOHICA getting censored was an unknown fluke which has been fixed.

[JetRaiden]

SA bans you if you make like 1 shit post. They ban like 8 people every HOUR. I seriously think we need some kind of random/flame forum like FYAD. The only catch is everytime you post there, it decreases your post count by 1.

[EarlyDawn]

Congratulations, you're the confused guy lobbing nukes 5 minutes after the Cold War ended.Quote Theft = BAN :mad:

[AztecWarrior]

Quote Theft = BAN :mad:
No- at this rate, PSU can't afford someone else gone :lol:

[UncleDynamite]

I honestly think a revert back to the old, more relaxed moderation style would be good.

Agreed.

You know, I really like the moderators here. They're great guys (and gal), but sometimes I get the feeling that they're on a powertrip. This isn't saying that they are; as a regular poster, I have no idea what goes on in their secret moderator planning sessions. But I think it's important for them to realize that from the perspective of the typical poster, the moderators are indeed very hamfisted. Even if they aren't, they ought to be aware of that perception.

And Trig, I understand why you want to avoid the drama, but please don't ignore it. I don't think people would be making such a big deal over things if they didn't have a reason. The fact that there's all this drama means that, in their view, something is wrong. Yeah, you can just say, "Bye, tons-of-people leaving!" and try to sweep the crisis under the rug. But the crisis is still there, and eventually the moderating staff will have to address it. If people are leaving just because of Dhark, then that would be one thing. But I don't think Exo and Eine left because of Dhark, and that's what really worries me. When mature veterans leave, that's should raise a huge red flag.

I hope the staff here at PSU is working on remedying the situation, and let everyone know of it.

[martyr]

/me tents fingers

mwahaahaha

[Squeeky]

Today's events put a smile on my face. PSU is a better place without those..umm..no flaming...well...let's just say I think that I can fabricate a better group of guys then the 3 that left with my own fecal matter.

And as for the whole {BOHICA} URL being censored. About fucking time :lol:

If you want to ride the fence and post on PSU/BOHICA at the same time, fine. That's awesome. I do it with PSU/GENMAY and other forums. But dont expect us to standby while you shamelessly plug away the site practically begging people to come over and visit. That's not that way you make a succesful fansite :lol:

I'm in a good mood now.

As for moderation, I think the only one powertripping just a tad bit is Triggar. And I can say this because I know she's mature enough not to get her knickers in a bunch. I :love: Triggar, but her whole anti-flaming crusade is starting to rub me the wrong way. *shrug*

[Triggar]

Oh well.

I work my ass off for PSU, in real life, which is more than I'd say 98% of the others on these boards can say. I spent thousands of dollars for PSU. I have a vested personal interest in the success of this community, so forgive me if I don't want to see this site go to shit from the inside out.

I've put too many man hours into this community to see posters destroy it.

If you don't like that, well, then you take my job. Go ahead. Be the event coordinator, I'll hand you over my tools.

It isn't a walk in the park.

[Squeeky]

Oh well.

Some of the hardest but-gusting laughs i've had on PSU in my 2 years here have been from a good old fashioned, witty, internet flame.

I understand the need for moderation against insults that look like they came out of an insult generator, ex:

"FUCK YOU GOAT FUCKING EASTER EGG CARESSING SKULL CHUCKING BANANA EATING DOODAH DILLY-OH KLONDIKE EATAR!!!11"

But flames like this:

"Eh, fuck you. Go shove an acorn up your ass"

See, that's not bad. It's a flame, but anyone who takes flaming on the internet seriously is...ridiculous :lol:.

That type of comment would get your comment edited, a Warning via PM, and 2-3 more from various posters would get what is (usually) a good thread closed.

I just dont understand it :confused:

[martyr]

hah, i dunno if my interests make my defense invalid, but i have to point out that the anti-flaming new-style initiative was not triggar's, but simply passed down to us

[AztecWarrior]

hah, i dunno if my interests make my defense invalid, but i have to point out that the anti-flaming new-style initiative was not triggar's, but simply passed down to us
"We're not guilty of gassing the ****, we were following orders."

I kid. I think it's time for change.

[JetRaiden]

Porn forum and everybody wins. End of discussion.

[martyr]

haha, we don't have to change if all the problems leave voluntarily

[MrVicchio]

Triggar I don't think anyone is questioning your intentions. Or your help to PSU.

But when people who you are trying to help, have concerns, its good to listen to them. You are not the only one with vested interest in PSU, PSU is not here for the Mods, for Hamma... well okay maybe for Hamma... :P It's for the community, and if there are voices of concern, they should be heard.

I have been with PSU since it began, I got a gig as the PSU forum hound tracking all the devs posts before they made it autommated... I should sue for that... anyway I love this site, and the people here, I have learned to listen to them. They tend to know whats going on.

[Triggar]

No one ever said the voices of concern should be ignored... if you'd scroll up, you would see my post that said

Go ahead and talk about it

Everyone loves a villian.

[I Hate Pants]

So does this mean more open slots for PSUM:B??????

Seeing as most Bohica members are talking crap about us.

[Triggar]

:lol: Maybe.

I'd get you in anyway, Pants :brow:

[EarlyDawn]

haha, we don't have to change if all the problems leave voluntarilyYes, but if people are leaving because of the lack of change, you're destablizing a healthy community.

[I Hate Pants]

:lol: Maybe.

I'd get you in anyway, Pants :brow:
Yeah, I know what ya'h mean. My charm is hard to resist.

[Triggar]

And you're Canadian, so you probably have an "in" with Dave Coulier.

[I Hate Pants]

Him and I are "dawgs"

[AztecWarrior]

So, back to the issue at hand.

I think the moderation needs to be loosened a little.

[I Hate Pants]

Do you guys remember how the moderation tightened up? When we invaded the teamG0d forums and 6 people got temp. banned.\

So what exactly is this lossened up moderation everyone speaks of?

[EarlyDawn]

Agree. Can anyone think of a reason not to?

We revert to the old system. I think a majority would agree that it worked back then and it will work now.

[I Hate Pants]

what are you saying? Less moderators?

[Ivan]

You guys asked for more mods after Dhark got banned, even started a nomination thread� Now you ask for less mods�

[Hamma]

Nothing needs to be changed with the moderation. In fact I dont even see an issue with what happened today, a bunch of people saw someone banned for good reason (Who was ALREADY banned for months) and decided to follow him. That was there choice and nobody elses. The moderation team has done a great job at what they are doing and I am proud of every one of them.

The folks who left left in anger and are misguided, thats their problem and nobody elses. I admit I am somewhat sad to see them go.. but it is their choice.

This whole event had NOTHING to do with our moderation and a whole lot more to do with me, I banned him from IRC so blame me.

[EarlyDawn]

We're allowed to make mistakes. :confused:

[Edit: Okay. Prehaps the moderation atmosphere isn't the cause of today's events, but I think most have made it abundantly clear that they would feel a little better with the return to the semi-relaxed style.

What's the harm in that? Should we change it now or wait until people start leaving BECAUSE of the current setup to give the "chill-atmosphere" a try again? ]

[Jaged]

yes, less mods is good. No offence Ivan, your a great guy, but you seem to go little overboard on the thread locking imo.

[Giovanni]

All I have to say is that even if this community is a great one, it's going down the drain in the past months... Dhark was banned for shit Doop does 100% of the time and yet he's still here. If making no sense is a crime, alot of people should have been shot down before Dhark and yet. Anyways, not in a mood to argue but the whole censoring BOHICA plugs is downright non-sense...

And with that me and my tired self will go back to WoW.

[GraniteRok]

I wouldn't say that the moderation here is any more aggressive than previously. It's simply been an increase in reminding people to be "decent" to all. To joke is one thing, to flame with intent to insult is another.

People show up, people go. It happens all the time and will continue. If you wish to leave then do so, if not, then stay but be mindful to have a common courtesy to other users. Those that wish to leave and burn their bridges behind them... remember... you can't cross back.

[Ivan]

yes, less mods is good. No offence Ivan, your a great guy, but you seem to go little overboard on the thread locking imo.
I've locked 3 threads in the past month, one of witch was your's. Sorry. :(

[DaShiznit]

Nothing needs to be changed with the moderation. In fact I dont even see an issue with what happened today, a bunch of people saw someone banned for good reason (Who was ALREADY banned for months) and decided to follow him. That was there choice and nobody elses. The moderation team has done a great job at what they are doing and I am proud of every one of them.
Quite frankly Hamma, I think you're wrong. To tell the truth, I was afraid to write that, fearing a stream of indignation and a possible banning. The moderators do need to loosen up. I think that there has been a general overreaction to this "problem". There's nothing wrong with a good old internet flame. People need to know that they can express theeir feelings without being banned. We need a freer PSU. It's that simple.

[Jaged]

meh, maybe its just me then. Ivan's cool, but still less moderation for the win. Einnie tells me one of the reasons he left was over moderation if anyone cares.

[Triggar]

Poor Ivan, I love you baby :brow:

[Jaged]

Quite frankly Hamma, I think you're wrong. To tell the truth, I was afraid to write that, fearing a stream of indignation and a possible banning. The moderators do need to loosen up. I think that there has been a general overreaction to this "problem". There's nothing wrong with a good old internet flame. People need to know that they can express theeir feelings without being banned. We need a freer PSU. It's that simple.
QFTx1000000000

[Hamma]

Think whatever you want, I think they are doing a great job. If you think they suck well, sorry there are other forums out there.

[DaShiznit]

Think whatever you want, I think they are doing a great job. If you think they suck well, sorry there are other forums out there.
I never said they sucked, but I think the like-it-or-leave-it attitude is a problem. We need to listen to those who left. Maybe they have a valid point to make.

[EarlyDawn]

I never said they sucked, but I think the like-it-or-leave-it attitude is a problem. We need to listen to those who left. Maybe they have a valid point to make.I agree.

[Hamma]

They left over something that happened like 2 months ago before the moderation changes were made :rofl: not because of something that happened on the forums even.

[DaShiznit]

But that doesn't change the fact that the mods are too overbearing. We all need to loosen up.

[I Hate Pants]

It's great to see soo many people jumping the Bohica bandwagon.

A week ago you guys had no problem with PSU. Today you figure the forum is sinking and now you want to move to Bohica and talk crap about PSU and cmplain about it's moderation?

Wasn't it the PSU community who wanted more moderators not too long ago? We even had a vote to see who would become moderator? I believe electrofreak and earlydawn were the contendors.

Someone should dig that thread up.

[JetRaiden]

I gotta take Hamma's side on this. Its his site, he doesnt have to change CONFORM to any of you. So you can stay, thats great, otherwise, :fu:

[EarlyDawn]

I gotta take Hamma's side on this. Its his site, he doesnt have to change CONFORM to any of you. So you can stay, thats great, otherwise, :fu:This is true, but what's the harm in giving the people what they want? Saying no for the sake of saying no dosen't seem logical to me.

[Infernus]

Th3 Government: r3d - Hamma, I did not fucking leave cause dhark did, will you get it out of your mind already? I told you that was the icing on the cake. The new moderation is horrible, you're not seeing anything wrong cause you're the head of it. If I would've really cared SO MUCH to dharks ban, I would've left then. Not now. Its 98% of the moderation I am leaving.

Th3 Government: say that is from me

From r3d

[Jaged]

hmm, all this drama chaces back to that attack on teamg0d.... they replied with an attack, we boosted mods, over moderation causes this

whos idea was that attack, lets kill them.

[I Hate Pants]

Hey, they're all leaving because of me being banned 2 months ago!@!11 http://forums.bohicagaming.com/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif http://forums.bohicagaming.com/html/emoticons/laugh.gif
Dhark's ego grows bigger as he reads these forums. As if he wasn't self centered and ignorant enough already. :/

[xmodum]

I knew today would suck, Dhark coming back, then Dhark gettin banned (Which he was supposed to be banned, im not against it), then my brother gettin kicked out, NO EVE SUBSCRIPTION, no money, and, worst of all, I HAD TO DO HOMEWORK

[Squeeky]

First off, the call for more Moderators, in my mind, was a call for more moderators online at one time so threads wouldnt slip through the cracks like they had a habit of doing. Not for stricter moderation.

Second off, people, please, if you get an IM from one of these fuckwits asking you to post an AIM message for them, dont. It'd be different if they got banned against their will, but they wanted to be banned, they silenced themselves. Now they need to learn to shut the fuck up.

Third, I think looser moderation is in order, but Hamma's made his ruling, and it's something I have to respect. He's always taken PSU in a positive direction, and I have to be confident in his conviction to keep the moderation the way it is.

[Kyonye]

Agreeable Squeeky...

[Squeeky]

Good riddance :D


No, in all seriousness that forum has gone insanely downhill and I do beleive that soon, it will be time for me to take my leave as well.

Why not do us all a favor and just leave already? For good, pretty please?

[AztecWarrior]

I am going to bury all arguments here:

1. Times change. Sometimes more moderation is needed, sometimes less. I don't believe firing moderators is the answer: I believe a general more lax status is what we need. The current amount of moderators is fine.

2. I do not believe that Doop is to blame for all of this. If you are an asshole to someone, you shouldn't get by because you're funny.

3. On the same token, Dhark & Co were very funny (when you weren't the target). This is why they are missed. However, to quote Charlie Murphy, he was "a habitual line-stepper."

In the end, people remember them for P-CON and other shenanigans, not the wrongdoings. This is why all of a sudden there is a demand for him back. If it can be made clear that he is to stop the abuse, then we can let him back in, maybe.

4. Hamma- you're missing the point. A lot of them specifically mentioned reasons other than the Dhark IRC ban for leaving.

5. I won't mention any names, but I beg to differ when two people are in a flame war that the best solution is to ban them both. Maybe one is right. Not always, but maybe one is right.

6. Why are the vets leaving "all of a sudden"? They aren't. Why are there less vets? They sense that PSU has changed. They sense that in the wake of the flame war infatadas, PSU's fun atmoshpere was castrated.

I tend to agree on them that light flame and banter is fine, and their view that a thread lock because two people are debating in the Lounge is preposterous.

This is what we mean by less moderation: not less moderators, not letting the banned back in, not softening up on abuse- we mean that flame wars shouldn't be stopped before they happen. Because they don't always happen.


Do I agree with Hamma? No.
Will I play by his rules? Yes.

In the end, this will all iron over. The goal was a non-elitist community, after the TribalWar disaster. We need to strike a balance between the vets leaving in disgust and casteism.

After all, who says the best members WERE HERE when it started? I Hate Pants, SDM, Yours Truly, Triggar, martyr, et cetera...we weren't here when it started, and we're relatively popular.

By the same token, the forum needs some background and culture.

[starbum]

Umm... wow. This thread can be its very own soap opera.

Cant we all just post threads, make jokes, discuss topics, and have a good time on the forums? Why bring the bullshit of real life drama and poltics to PSU? sigh.



To quote Monty: "This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let�s not bicker and argue about who killed who"

[Triggar]

I love you Starbum :love:

[AztecWarrior]

It's not that easy.

Especially when people start arguing whilst making said happy bunny fluffy posts.

[Ivan]

Umm... wow. This thread can be its very own soap opera.

Cant we all just post threads, make jokes, discuss topics, and have a good time on the forums? Why bring the bullshit of real life drama and poltics to PSU? sigh.



To quote Monty: "This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let�s not bicker and argue about who killed who"
I think you're my Soul Mate! We must spend every day of the rest of our lives together! Then which ever one of us dies first the other must cryogenically freeze us..... in Lime Jello.

[Triggar]

I'll supply the Jello

EDIT: All I have is lemon, will that do?

[Ivan]

I'd prefer Lime. Lime Green makes my penis look larger.

[starbum]

roffle!

[Mag]

While I'm totally for 50,000% less drama, I do feel that sweeping this all under the rug may be a poor choice of action. Obviously there's something going wrong, something that's changed. Just ignoring it doesn't seem like it'll help all that much.

However, Lemon anything kicks-ass.

[Triggar]

Who's ignoring it? We're on Page 3 already, aren't we?

[Ivan]

Who's ignoring it? We're on Page 3 already, aren't we?
Page 6 to me. To be more exact, this "Should" be the 84th post if no one has ninja posted before me.

[Mag]

Eh, just seems that the issue is being responded to with a sort've "deal-with-it" attitude. Perhaps change the model somehow... Do something different.

[Giovanni]

I am going to bury all arguments here:

1. Times change. Sometimes more moderation is needed, sometimes less... etc. etc.

Amen! Oh btw SDM if you had not noticed has left for the BOHICA boards.

[Ivan]

Amen! Oh btw SDM if you had not noticed has left for the BOHICA boards.
Up. Has been stated. He did it the smart way IMO. +100,000,000 points to him... analy given ofcourse.

[Giovanni]

Up. Has been stated. He did it the smart way IMO. +100,000,000 points to him... analy given ofcourse.

I'm scared of you. Nah! I :love: you!

[Squeeky]

In response to the {BOHICA} Goons, it's not that I dont like you (because I dont like you guys, but that's irrelevant) it's that people like Infernus, Corrosion, r3d, Eine, etc.. try and ride the fence when it comes to balancing their relations with PSU/BOHICA and their LOVE/HATE for me.

Corrosion loves to bash me on the BOHICA baords, but just yesterday he IM'd me offering me a CD-Key. Bullshit? No:

(22:00:32) rustydustyrobot: oshit
(22:00:39) Squeeky: ?
(22:00:39) rustydustyrobot logged in.
(22:00:46) rustydustyrobot: i never gave you that eve key, did i?
(22:00:54) Squeeky: Nope. It's cool though.
(22:00:57) Squeeky: I'm done playing
(22:01:08) rustydustyrobot: lol
(22:01:11) rustydustyrobot: got borin?
(22:01:19) Squeeky: yup
(22:01:32) rustydustyrobot: same with mine
(22:01:35) rustydustyrobot: just too repetitive
(22:01:39) Squeeky: lol ya


Then we have this on the {BOHICA} boards.


At least we don't have Squeeky.

I can keep posting examples if you'd like Omnipotent. BTW, It's flattering to do a search and see that you guys continue to post about me, even 1 year after i've been banned from your elitist playground.

I'd like to also point out my above post about Infernus as an example of riding the fence with PSU/BOHICA. If you want to post on both forums, fine. But dont bash one, and praise it on the other. It only makes you look stupid.

If you guys dont like me, fine. Bash me to your hearts content. But dont pretend like you love me in an IM/PM like atleast half a dozen of you have been doing for the past year. It gives me a great laugh, but at the same time it's pathetic.

Oh, and for the record. I hate all of {BOHICA} equally. But i'll always have a place in my heart for people like Dio, Dhark and last but certainly not least Navarone. They could declare Islamic Jihad on a cage full of furry bunnies and i'd still love them.

[MrVicchio]

Will you quit dragging what they have to say in here? Please?

Bohica is Bohica and let them be. If they say nasty things there.. who cares?

Don't drag any hate or miscontent you see over there over here. It's just... pointless.

[Squeeky]

Will you quit dragging what they have to say in here? Please?

Bohica is Bohica and let them be. If they say nasty things there.. who cares?

Don't drag any hate or miscontent you see over there over here. It's just... pointless.

Owning people is an addiction of mine. I'm done. But the people who are still posting here should take heed and cut it the fuck out.

[Red October]

Hmmmmm.....

I'll weigh in on this....

I co-moderate a religios-discussion forum...Its both Heaven and Hell sometimes (how ironic, huh?). The moderation here is not a problem. I've seen what a hands off moderation does to sites, it destroys them. I've learned those lessons and applied them to where I moderate. Results have been good. Trolling is less rampant and everyone down right has a good discussion. There is a site thats practically dedicated to smear ours...and the irony is, they don't have access. But they will consistenly spin tall tales about us. That say's something.

Bottom line, you have to wave the stick around and use it from time to time. Overuse will kill your forum, but lax usage will kill it ast well. Tough situation. When people start to think they own the place, they will try to push thier limits. Sometime's, they let it go to their head. Let Bohica be Bohical and PSU be PSU. In the end, the better managed one will do better. And the other will just appear as whiney little bitches....and newcomers will see through it. Best thing to do on this issue is....

/ignore

...and things will chug right along.

Not sure if this makes any sense...its late..and I had just a tad too much of the Yukon Jack.

[Everay]

In response to the {BOHICA} Goons, it's not that I dont like you (because I dont like you guys, but that's irrelevant) it's that people like Infernus, Corrosion, r3d, Eine, etc.. try and ride the fence when it comes to balancing their relations with PSU/BOHICA and their LOVE/HATE for me.

Corrosion loves to bash me on the BOHICA baords, but just yesterday he IM'd me offering me a CD-Key. Bullshit? No:



Then we have this on the {BOHICA} boards.



I can keep posting examples if you'd like Omnipotent. BTW, It's flattering to do a search and see that you guys continue to post about me, even 1 year after i've been banned from your elitist playground.

I'd like to also point out my above post about Infernus as an example of riding the fence with PSU/BOHICA. If you want to post on both forums, fine. But dont bash one, and praise it on the other. It only makes you look stupid.

If you guys dont like me, fine. Bash me to your hearts content. But dont pretend like you love me in an IM/PM like atleast half a dozen of you have been doing for the past year. It gives me a great laugh, but at the same time it's pathetic.

Oh, and for the record. I hate all of {BOHICA} equally. But i'll always have a place in my heart for people like Dio, Dhark and last but certainly not least Navarone. They could declare Islamic Jihad on a cage full of furry bunnies and i'd still love them.

they should IP ban you for your own good. but squeeky, those are some of the coolest people i know, Kiwi is a little too liberal, but so is triggar, and i like triggar just fine, i dont know what you did to get banned, but it must have really ticked them off.

[Squeeky]

they should IP ban you for your own good.

They did, I've had numerous new IP's since then.

but squeeky, those are some of the coolest people i know

Alot of the people on the {BOHICA} boards fucking rock. Sadly, most suck. But it's the same with PSU, alot of people on PSU suck.

I dont know what you did to get banned, but it must have really ticked them off.

http://www.nojohnkerry.org/imagemedia/crybaby.jpg

Posted that image in response to one of Nav's posts telling me to stop spamming a quote or something. He banned me for 40 years and a ridiculous amount of hilarity ensued. I'd seriously do it all over again just so I could laugh like I did when I got banned. Good times were had by all :love:

[Peacemaker]

Well, Im peace so I gotta post on this one.

The forums right now are a very healthy place. I see the right steps being done to prevent bad things from happening. Do I see an occasional bad call on the part of our great mods? Yes. Occasionaly. Do I see an occasional bad call on the part of my police department? Yes. Every five minutes. The Mods are doing an absolutly awsome job. There is only one area that I tend to agree with at all on the other side of the fence.

I shall refer to this as the ok flame. The ok flame is vaugly funny, doesnt really hurt anyone, yet lets people know how you feel.These types of flames I could deal with. The whole issue I have with them is that there is almost no reason to do ANY type of flame. For what reason in a post would you need to say "Shouve an acorn up your ass?" I cant think of anyway that someone could say that unless the first person said something completly unreasonable/flamed you. Then in that case you shouldnt flame back because that starts a flame war. Basicly the ok flame shouldnt exist either because there shouldnt be anyway to make someone want to do that. It doesnt add to the conversation. It doesnt help anyone. Theres just NO reason to flame someone for any reason if everything on the forums is going smooth. If you flame someone you either did it for no reason and then you ARE deserving of punishment. Or the other party flamed you first, then your both screwed.

End of Statement.

[Triggar]

Crap Peacemaker, I think that Juggalicious girlfriend of yours is doing you some good! You're making a lot of sense ;)

[Ivan]

... For what reason in a post would you need to say "Shouve an acorn up your ass?" I cant think of anyway that someone could say that ...
I'm sure I can think of a few...

The member expressed an intense desirer to teach Squirrels a new method of keeping their nuts warm other than putting their nuts in their mouths to keep them warm.

And that would be my suggestion at least for an alternative if that member wishes to try to teach his little furry buddies a new method of nut warming.

:D ;)

[DaShiznit]

I have no problems with flames. Onne of the funniest things I ever read was a flame. I really think we need to take a step back and look at this. Do we really need to lock derailed threads? Do we really need to ban people like Dhark? I think we really need to take an objective analysis of the tone of these forums.

[Triggar]

a) We don't lock more derailed threads than we do. Take a good look at the forum index; locking threads isn't a common occurance.

b) To play Devil's Advocate, Dharkbayne had several, SEVERAL warnings to shape up. He didn't. Everyone agrees to the forum rules when they register, so it isn't fair to cry "NAZI!!" when they're enforced.

[starbum]

1. This isnt a public freedom-of-speech area. This is a privatly owned and operated website. Yes, PSU uses donations to keep it running, but it isnt like buying stock in a company. You dont get control of PSU because you donated booko dollars. Hamma has the last say in everything and thats final... PSU doesnt *need* to have forums at all. Before people go all whining saying "Ohhhh, this guy got banned because he was saying shit about other people so this place is a nazi heaven and now I'm going to go too!" you just have to realise... this isnt a democracy, this is a dictatorship enforced by moderators. Either go with the flow and enjoy yourself...or leave. Simple.

Get a grip people! LESS DRAMA. Accept things for how they are - they are NOT going to change. There is no sense is arguing for anyone's sides anymore. Triggar, Ivan, Martyr, Hamma, and whoever else... they are the final say in the forums. They make sure the rules are enforced to keep this place a safe-haven for everyone to come and have fun. Have a problem with one of them? Goto Hamma DIRECTLY and state your reasoning, I'm sure he'll listen. Dont go making threads like a middle-school drama queen like is happening right now for the sake of "this needs to be discussed and revealed to the community". It wont change anything and all it does is make yourself look bad. Be an adult and handle things like an adult if you have a problem... not throw a temper tantrum like some people recently and stomp your feet, screaming like a little child in a store because his dad wont get him candy (exp. when his dad should've used condoms).

Sure, you might think the moderators are harsh. Well, take a look at another example... police. They enforce the law. They can be harsh to people that break the rules, but they're doing that to protect the ones who are trying to just live their lives in peace. They serve a vital purpose... and if a criminal had a say in wether or not the cop could keep his job because he enforced the law against that said criminal? Well, imagine how fucked up the country would be right now.

This thread is making baby jesus cry. sigh.

[Kuraltai]

my 2 pence ..

My visits here of late have been few and far between .. not because I'm off playing a new game or whoring another forum .. simply that life has taken up that time lately. Haven't played PlanetSide as much for the same reasons.

I've always enjoyed coming here .. as with any forum you visit .. you are a guest in someone's "home". I lurk here and on IRC more than I post, and the majority of drama in the forums extends from something that happened on IRC.

As normal, all is going well until someone carries a joke too far or talks out the side of their mouth and someone's panties get bunched .. then the posting starts.

As I recall, there were some complaints about the "elitist" attitude that was becoming prevalent in the Lounge. The lack of the "elitist" attitude was one of the reasons I stayed around here. Guess some folks weren't happy we wanted it to stay that way.

As for the "nazi" crap .. this is after all .. Hamma's place and as such, he is the dictator. Like it or not, that's the case with any forum you visit. Thankfully he hasn't gone "nazi" on us. If y'all think this is "nazi" then apparently our perceptions are different.

Sad to see some folks go .. sorry to hear the reasons they chose.

[Ivan]

... I lurk here and on IRC more than I post, and the majority of drama in the forums extends from something that happened on IRC...
I've noticed that too. I'm going to try to watch IRC more to try to end these problems before they spill over to the forum.

[Triggar]

Oh yeah, I'd just like to add:

Anyone who is banned from PSU is banned from PSU:MB and all future Mobilizations.

You go against Hamma, you go against me. You want to call me a Nazi for it? Go ahead. I've offered to hand over my job title to anyone else who wants to plan the Mobilizations, but if I recall correctly no one else stepped up to bat.

I don't want lemmings at our events, anyway.

[OfaLoaf]

Ouch.

[xmodum]

Indeed.

[Doop]

She rules with an iron fist.
That's my trig. =]

[Triggar]

I'm not ruling anything. People make their own choices. I didn't tell anyone to behave like a douche. People need to understand the basic concept of consequence.

[Lartnev]

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!!11 :scared: :scared: :scared:

[starbum]

All hail Triggar, All hail Triggar, All hail Triggar :chomp:

[Kikinchikin]

Forgive me for bumping this from the bottom of the lounge, but I just wanted to get a word in.

This whole thing is a joke. People see one kid get banned for a bunch of crazy shit and they immediately assume the forum has turned into a modern day Nazi Germany. "OMG FIGHT TEH POW3R LET'S ALL LEAVE CUZ A GUY GOT BANND!!!" I swear some of these people just like to soak up attention, and it's pretty pitiful. So good riddance from me. I won't miss you.

I really don't see any problem with moderation. Hell I hardly ever notice them doing anything (a good thing). If you think this moderation is overly protective or smothering you, then you need a reality check. And I'm seriously tired of hearing about all the BOHICA as well as any other type of elitism. If you like it better over there, leave, but don't slander this forum because it doesn't satisfy your particular needs.

As for the people asking for bans, I agree with Squeeky. Come on guys exercise some self control. Yeah the internet can be addicting and it can sometimes be hard to not procrastinate when you can enjoy yourself instead. But seriously, there's no reason to ask for a ban. Just hold yourself back a little bit.

[Triggar]

Wise words :)

[Peacemaker]

Crap Peacemaker, I think that Juggalicious girlfriend of yours is doing you some good! You're making a lot of sense ;)

:rofl: you said juggalicious.

Oh god dont let her see this post :-P.... I think.... I dont know.....


Good to see that this thread is calming down. BTW trig. Your not allowed to quit as Mobilization coordinator. Im coming. Still gotta pwn it up on the paintball field.

[Everay]

whats really wrong if r3d wants to leave and tell everyone why?

id rather have him do that than leave us making threads, "Wheres r3d?" and heavygain too im sure.

[Kikinchikin]

After going back and reading all the posts that led to the bans, I'd like to know what exactly happened on IRC that everyone got so pissed about. If someone could explain it to me without opening the wound and pouring salt in it, I'd appreciate it.

Also I don't get why everyone is freaking out about any of this, but especially red. It's not like he's been active in the past year, so why does anyone give a shit?

[Ghryphen]

Dhark joined IRC for the first time since his banning from PSU and Hamma banned him, which requires the person being banned to be on IRC. People flipped out, but its odd they didn't months ago.

[Kikinchikin]

Thought he was permabanned from IRC b4 his banning from the forums...

[Ghryphen]

I don't remember the timeline, he has been banned so many times it is just a blur.

[Triggar]

BTW trig. Your not allowed to quit as Mobilization coordinator. Im coming. Still gotta pwn it up on the paintball field.

You'd have to pry my Mobilization notebook from my dead, lifeless fingers - that's the only way I'd quit ;)

And uh, we're not doing paintball in the end, sorry :lol:

[Infernus]

You'd have to pry my Mobilization notebook from my dead, lifeless fingers - that's the only way I'd quit ;)

And uh, we're not doing paintball in the end, sorry :lol:

owned.

[Hamma]

Dhark had been banned all along, he left IRC under his own free will after he was removed so I never banned him I dont think, either that or his mask changed.

Either way, he has been banned all along so I have no idea what the issue was.

[Angel_of_Death]

Wow, besides the obvious lack of them, I had no idea most of this was going on and it does suck indeed. I miss them, and unlike a lot of the people I see here I am not jumping on the bandwagon.

[Hezzy]

We need a :drama: smily.

EDIT: http://hiddenspain.netmag.easyspace.com/DRAMA-QUEEN.gif

[Ivan]

We need a :drama: smily.

EDIT: http://hiddenspain.netmag.easyspace.com/DRAMA-QUEEN.gif
What the hell is that thing? :lol:

[Ghryphen]

Ok :)
:nodrama: :drama:

[Ivan]

Ok :)
:nodrama: :drama:
Have I ever told you that you're the wind beneath my wings? Have I ever told you that you're my hero! ;)

[JetRaiden]

bravo

[Triggar]

Ok :)
:nodrama: :drama:

:lol:

Next, change the colorscheme to pink.

[Hezzy]

Yes./

:drama: :nodrama: