(Accuracy)Firearms that dont explode

[Everay]

so, i wanna get a air rifle, and am looking for the most accurate one i can find, and one of em says C-T-C .20 or something like that, so i ask you, wtf does that mean?

[Biohazzard56]

You need to get a pellet rifle, shoots .177 calibur pellets. Thats what the olmypics use in their marksmanship competitions. We use pellet rifles in ROTC because we cant have real firearms on school property.

[Fragmatic]

Could also get a .22 air rifle.

[martyr]

ooh, how did i miss this

first off, airguns aren't firearms because there's not normally fire - makes 'em much more legal, though.

common airgun calibers (calibres) are .177, .20, .22, and .25 (these are in values of an inch, measured in diameter from the land of the rifling (the smallest diameter of the barrel, not from the bottom of the grooves)

bolt action, a good make, and a heavy barrel are what will give you accuracy.

what's your intended price range? that'll have a direct impact on your precision

[Everay]

dunno, 50 bucks or so, depends. im asking for it for Xmas.


and thats what i ment, firearms that dont explode, ie no fire.

EDIT: it would help if you could get me a link to one on the interweb.

[ChewyLSB]

Ugh, Everay, I could tear you apart on the semantic differences between "Accuracy" and "Precision", but I really don't feel like it.

[TheN00b]

Ugh, Everay, I could tear you apart on the semantic differences between "Accuracy" and "Precision", but I really don't feel like it.

Indeed. I'm glad to note that I'm not the only word-nazi on these forums.

[Everay]

really though, id prefer you do, just dont be a douche about it.

[Infernus]

:rofl:

OMGZ WORDNAZIS!

:rolleyes:

[Everay]

well fuck people, if someone is using a word incorrectly, correct em, but dont be a douche bag omgimrightyourwrongusuxatlifezorz

now i started this thread, if your gonna post, contribute, dont say, "i could rip you apart, but im not"

[ChewyLSB]

Sorry about that, came off as WAY more of a jerk than I intended to...

[martyr]

not enough $s.
for $50 you'll end up with a daisy/crosman, and those things can't hit the broad side of a barn... from inside the barn.

edit: when you said "firearms that explode" i thought you were going to buy something other than a glock

[Cauldron Borne]

I know of a gun shop that still has a stockpile of ak's and m60's from before they were made illegal....they can't seem to find a way to get rid of them, yet every time i go there, there are fewer and fewer unmarked boxes...

[martyr]

dunno where you live, but they aren't illegal in the united states, and you missed your thread by about a week

[Everay]

how much would a good one cost then?

and link to it?

[martyr]

good:
RWS-Diana
Beeman
webley
gamo
benjamin-sheridan

you looking for handgun or rifle?

[Kam]

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[Triggar]

I usually don't argue with martyr but I am correct here.

:lol:

Two months ago called. They wanted me to remind you of the whole "AWB" headline :rofl:

[ControlledBurn]

:lol:

Two months ago called. They wanted me to remind you of the whole "AWB" headline :rofl:

First:
Assault Weapons != Automatic Weapons

Second:
The GOPA 86 says that Automatic Weapons manufactured after May 19, 1986 states are illegal for sale to private individuals. Anything manufactured prior to that date is legal to own, but subject to the NFA 34 which states you must pay a tax for certain firearms, among them automatic weapons. Some individual states ban private ownership NFA weapons however. (I'm looking at you People's Republic of Kalifornia)

In short, Martyr is right, automatic weapons are not illegal under the letter of the law, provided they were manufactured prior to May 19, you've paid a Federal tax prior to purchasing them, and you don't live in state that bans them. (Damn Commies)

[Everay]

im looking for a rifle Martyr

[martyr]

thanks trig & cb, that's what i was goin for.
the unaddressed part of kam's post is regarding projectiles... "bebe" (BB)s are, by nature, round - it stands for Ball Bearing. same kind of thing you find in your rollerblades, cars, kitchenaid stand mixers, etc., used to reduce friction.

the gyroscopic and airflow properties of BBs in flight suck, i can do into detail if anyone wants.

everay: for a good one, you'll want at least $150.
(note: it has come to my attention that crosman now owns benjamin-sheridan, i'm removing them from my 'good' list)

i personally highly, highly reccomend getting an RWS fixed-barrel, but since this is your first, i would also suggest that you get something that isn't exactly top-notch, just in case you find that you don't use it often enough to warrant the cost.

so!

here's my suggestion.
there aren't any RWS or Gamo rifles for less than $150; webley is generally known for its modern pistols. that leaves us with beeman. the only common model less than $150 is the GH 500. it comes in .177, usually retails for just over $70, and usually comes packaged with some low-end optics - a 3-7x20 or 4-8x20 scope. nothing exciting, and the scope will probably fall apart from the recoil after some use. but hey, it's free.

the rifle itself is a barrel-break model. that means that to cock it, you grab the muzzle with one hand, the stock forearm with the other, and put the butt against your abdomen, then pull (hard) on the muzzle, swinging it down towards the trigger group until it clicks; then load a pellet into the breech and swing it back into firing position.

pull trigger, rinse, repeat. 525fps.

links:
$72 http://www.airgunsbbguns.com/beeman-gh500-1033.html
$75 http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/store/products/productDisplay~BEEMAN~GH+500+RIFLE%2DGOLD+SERIES~p roductID~320552.htm
$80 http://www.airgunexpress.com/beemangh500airriflekit201-11-5003.htm
$84 http://www.shootnhunt.com/catalog/JM/airguns_and_accessories/rifles_handguns/beeman/1304807.html

[Triggar]

See why I love him? :)

[Kam]

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[Biohazzard56]

If its any help, we use an Avanti and a Challenger 2000 in ROTC. Google it.

[UncleDynamite]

Um, well I was in Bosman last summer and the walmart gun section has aks as well as other automatic weapons for sale. They even had a 50 caliber single shot rifle for sale as well as the new 50 caliber magnum. So, I still have to say I'm right.

Did you notice the orange tips on the guns? That means you were in the airsoft section, not the gun section.

[Kam]

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[martyr]

kam, i don't even know what your point is anymore, but it's not relevant to this thread.

the rifles bio mentions here are made by diasy and crosman, respectively. i make fun of these things with no reservations whatsoever. JROTC programs all over the country use those because they're touted as "match grade" by the manufacturers, but in the end, because they're cheap, in every sense of the word.

i spent some time coaching the NJROTC target team at my high school, but i eventually gave up because there was nothing i could do to compensate for their shoddy equipment

[Biohazzard56]

kam, i don't even know what your point is anymore, but it's not relevant to this thread.

the rifles bio mentions here are made by diasy and crosman, respectively. i make fun of these things with no reservations whatsoever. JROTC programs all over the country use those because they're touted as "match grade" by the manufacturers, but in the end, because they're cheap, in every sense of the word.

i spent some time coaching the NJROTC target team at my high school, but i eventually gave up because there was nothing i could do to compensate for their shoddy equipment

The front sight drives me insane, its a circle and thats it. You try to get the bullseye in the center of the circle and make sure its equal on all sides. I need a fixed point to focus on.

[martyr]

sounds like they have the wrong ring installed, actually.

those hooded sites come with a set of different sized-rings for different ranges.
i assume they're shooting at 25 feet and have the 10-foot rings installed

[Biohazzard56]

sounds like they have the wrong ring installed, actually.

those hooded sites come with a set of different sized-rings for different ranges.
i assume they're shooting at 25 feet and have the 10-foot rings installed

33 feet.