[Life/Angst]Stupid people fucking suck.

[JetRaiden]

Ok, I have too many of these threads. Nonetheless, this is a bit of a big one. Well not really, but I desperately need advice and guidence for this.

So, at my school of 56 people, I hang out with maybe 5 or 6 of them. We all hang out in my room after class just about every day for hours on end, and we get into debates/discussions for hours. Its great, we all eat ramen and enjoy ourselves quite a bit.

One of the full-time attendants of my room, Andrew (18), is a post grad student, because he was a huge fuck up in high school. He has the career ambitions of a hobo. However, we do enjoy his company quite a bit, he's a funny guy and fairly intelligent, so he's always around.

One of my good friends here, Kacy (14), is an awesome girl. She's wicked cool and incredibly bright, and might graduate high school next year. However, she has had a tough life, so she tends to be depressed sometimes. I've talked her out of alot of bad situations, sometimes over AIM. We keep in touch on a daily basis whenever one of us is away for an extended period of time. I've basically been the only one to get her out of alot of shit, angst, and depression. I've dug her out of so many messes I should have a mining permit.

Our curfew is 11 pm, so at that time everyone has to be in their rooms and the internet is shut off. Some of my friends and I are rather nocturnal, so we usually get cut off mid-conversation. After the AOD(Admin on Duty) goes home, 1 or 2 people will flock back to my room for a couple hours or so. Recently, Andrew came in my room at about 12:30, while I was in the bathroom. He jumped out of my closet and scared the shit out of me when I returned, but he stayed and we talked a while. We discuss the most random shit, from Omaha Beach to kevlar to sodomy. In one example, I randomly asked andrew:
"Andrew, how well do you know kacy?"
"Pretty well I guess."
"Do you know-"
"-Virgin."
"Oh."
So yea, it was a bit random, and I didn't expect it to go anywhere, but it did.

The next day, after classes a bunch of us were sitting in the lounge before dinner. For the past few days I noticed signs that Andrew had a crush on Kacy, which I think is wrong on so many levels. He often had his arm around her, and sat next to her all the time. Kacy is kinda playful, so she didn't think much of it. So we were all sitting around, and my friends Aaron and Andrew were telling everyone about how my room is so awesome, apparently. Then, andrew brings up our discussion last night. And that question I brought up about Kacy. Wonderful. It was a very awkward moment for everyone, and I was embarrased as hell. Kacy has a little inside joke with all of us as being a "ho," (created by Andrew, as he is irrespectful of women) which doesn't have any relevance at all.

Ever since then(last thursday I believe), Kacy and I haven't spoken a word to eachother. Then tonight, she had another bout of chronic depression or something, except Aaron was playing Mr. Sensitive man, and not me. He told me how she is incredibly pissed because she thinks that I think she's a whore. I IMed her immediately after that, just a friendly hello. She responds instantly with "go to hell."

Not good.

I talk to her for a bit, and she's very, very, very upset. There was really nothing I could say in my defense. I was the first person she has completely trusted in a long time. And I betrayed that trust I guess, so now our relationship went to shit.

First things first, andrew is never coming in my room or hanging out with me again. This was obviously a ploy to get me out of the way because he wants her. Even though we're just friends.

Secondly, Kacy is like the best friend I've had in a while. We have similar career prospects of going to NYC (for college) after high school and stuff and always talk about how we're basically gonna live in New York and be friends forever (pathetic I know). I really dont want to lose a relationship to some dumbass.

Advice plz.

[Darksim]

Do you go to a boarding school?

[AztecWarrior]

The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall not be infringed.

In all reality, why don't you get a friend to explain to her what happened? This is a clear set-up.

[GeneralRazor]

Your story kinda skips around, so it's a bit hard to follow. But, my experience has been that in situations where the "unkind" gets in the way of good relationships, the best thing to do is to go straight to the source, and be blunt about your feelings. Let her know your view of what is going on (which she doesn't see, and will be glad you let her know, I garuantee ;) )

Communication is key. When people are only thinking of themselves (which you are not doing), they need some perspective, so actions don't become something to regret. A heart to heart sounds like what Kacy needs from you. Believe me, her heart will hurt worse if you let the situation go it's course without you.

Andrew sounds like someone you could live without, and Kacy seems like someone you could live with. Let Kacy know what you feel, it will open her eyes. It will probably piss Andrew off, but you will have saved a fragile heart from double destruction and in turn made a start to a great relationship.

I wish the best for you...just don't let the bad guy take advantage of a good thing. It sounds to me like your heart is calling (and hers too)....and never deny your heart.

Edit: spelling

[Giovanni]

I think you pretty much summed up what you should say, there's nothing as bad as angering a good friend and you should just go ahead and tell what you said us... that she's the first good friend in a big while etc. etc.

[oddfish]

i've found that throwing globs of sperm on people tends to be a good way to fix problems.









..erm.. you might want to try what they said first, though.. :nod:

[Baneblade]

Sex only solves problems if you...already solved the problem.

[JetRaiden]

Just got back to school today. My friend Aaron showed me the conversation he had with kacy, and I'm pretty mad that she thinks that thats what I think of her now. She didn't come to class today, which could be bad.

I also talked to Andrew BEFORE I knew she hated me, and he said he smoothed things over. Heh, I wish.

[Lonehunter]

First off, re-read this...

"Andrew, how well do you know kacy?"
"Pretty well I guess."
"Do you know-"
"-Virgin."
"Oh."

Then this...

This was obviously a ploy to get me out of the way because he wants her.

Sounds to me like you're jealous. YOU asked the question, not him. All he did was give his answer. I'm not saying he's a great guy but don't put it all on him.

Edit: Just wonderin, have you appologized?

Edit: Or explained how you and your friend talk about completely RANDOM meaningless SHIT that is meant to have no effect on anyone?

My friends and I do the same thing so I think I know what'cha mean

[Hezzy]

I think you're abit jealous. Otherwise, why should it matter?

Obviously if she doesn't give you a chance to say your case, she's not worth it. Let it go. You always have your right hand.

[Lonehunter]

Let it go. You always have your right hand.
Plan B is never as good as Plan A but always better then Plan C, and let's not go there.

[Triggar]

She's 14. Based on my knowledge of people that age, she'll get over it in about a week when something shiny comes along.*

*I tend to have a black-and-white view of a lot of things. If she won't let you get your explanation in, then forget it. Someone who values a relationship with you won't write it off on an implication, they'll let you explain. They'll want to salvage the friendship. In my experience, the "go to hell" line translates from Female to Human to mean "please keep talking to me, I love the attention but want to maintain my upper-hand."

If you're really bent out of shape about it, write her a letter - she can't "hang up" or "block you" with that form of communication. Leave it open-ended, with the conclusion saying something like, "Whether you want to continue our friendship after this or not is of no consequence to me. I am writing you this letter so that we can both have all the information about the situation that lead to our debacle."

Good luck.

[JetRaiden]

I have apologized to her(last night), but she definately hasn't forgiven me or anything.

I'm not jealous of Andrew by any means, both me and Aaron are pretty mad he just went and told everyone what we talk about. What she doesn't understand is that its just a typical guy conversation. If I ask a question like that I'm not implying that I think she's a whore or anything.

I can definately agree with Triggar, you're probably right. Aaron showed me the conversation he had with her shortly before(or after) I talked to her, and I was the primary subject. And from the sounds of it, she will forgive me.

I'm gonna have a few chances to talk to her later today, and if not I'll just give it another day to cool down a bit. This isn't the kind of thing where I just say "I'm so sorry" or some shit. I'm really going to have to pour myself out on this.

I think you're abit jealous. Otherwise, why should it matter?

Obviously if she doesn't give you a chance to say your case, she's not worth it. Let it go. You always have your right hand.

She is a bit irrational. She more mature then she should be for her age, but she thinks she has more life experience then alot of people. I'm there to basically keep her stable and from doing anything stupid.

[Squeeky]

God you young people are so full of angst today.

Smoke dope, get drunk, have lots of protected sex, and fucking relax.

:rolleyes:

[JetRaiden]

God you young people are so full of angst today.

Smoke dope, get drunk, have lots of protected sex, and fucking relax.

:rolleyes:

:ugh: Trust me, I try. I don't believe in true love or any shit like that. And I think I've done my fair share of dope and drinking, I just care about my true friends. I'm just as laid back as the next guy, but I just drag myself back into this kind of shit day after day.

:nodrama:

[Kyonye]

so don't drag yourself into this shit day after day....you are still young, live it! its just as easy to not drag yourself into it as it is to do so...


and as for advice...i guess what you said, pour your soul into the apology. i can see you have (or had, but hopefully not) a good friendship with her.

[Baneblade]

Anyone with that kind of connection that young, has some Dawson/Joey futures ahead... =/

[internetn]

Hmmm.. hmm. hmm..hmm

Please excuse my french but a shes kinda acting like a bitch... I mean come on.. She's not looking through the problem.. I think you tie her to a chair and make her listen to you.. ok maybe thats to far.. just make sure she doesn't yell "Rape!"

Quick detour..

I was sitting in physics and messin with this girl like I always do, and I guess I bugged her a little to much.. so she yelled rape and I got 2 weeks suspended...

Back to the problem... I wish I could actually help more, but I have never had that happen, in fact I didn't really have friends till Highschool. But once I got into the thick of things I had all my homies (Black people) callin me cousin... and then there were the preps, wait I am a prep...

Keep on talking to her..

[Triggar]

I was sitting in physics and messin with this girl like I always do, and I guess I bugged her a little to much.. so she yelled rape and I got 2 weeks suspended...

Oh honey you can kiss your bid for Presidency goodbye :lol:

[internetn]

I wouldn't doubt it, but hell I can try!... Can't I? I know I'll hire the mafia to knock off the girl, err then I got to get the teacher, and crap, the principle.. who else, oh ya the girls parents.. my parents, and brothers... Well pretty much everybody short of God

[DaShiznit]

Well pretty much everybody short of God
Best to bump Him off too. He can be bought...

[internetn]

..hmm.. So how much money will that take?... I got two penny's in my ultra secret vault thats in Fairmount North Dakota under my underwear drawer...

[Ivan]

i've found that throwing globs of sperm on people tends to be a good way to fix problems.
cum makes excellent glue for craft projects

[Triggar]

I know I'll hire the mafia to knock off the girl

Don't joke about the mafia. My cousin was murdered by the mafia, his body dumped into his father's fields. My great-uncle was a judge in Italy who was also murdered by the mafia.

I'm not joking. Google "Giovanni Falcone".

[Darksim]

Thread has been Derailed...?

[DaShiznit]

I'm not joking. Google "Giovanni Falcone".
Damn...












HE WAS A CUTIE!

[AztecWarrior]

Don't joke about the mafia. My cousin was murdered by the mafia, his body dumped into his father's fields. My great-uncle was a judge in Italy who was also murdered by the mafia.

I'm not joking. Google "Giovanni Falcone".
Thus I will scare you to death with this picture of J Edgar Hoover.

http://www.markriebling.com/images/hoover.jpg

[Triggar]

So back on track - JetRaiden, any recent developments?

If she is still refusing to talk to you, I say DHITB.

[oddfish]

she may have been on her period. in my extensive experience with girls i've found one thing to be irrevocably true: Girls will say and do things when they're on their period that they would not normally do during the other three weeks of the month. They'll say things that you may find really unreasonable, they'll do things that you'll think are unusually mean or insensitive when it comes to girls. Every girl will try to refute this fact, but it is without a doubt one of the truest things ever. Those five to seven days are days when it's just best to take anything a girl says to you with a grain of salt. Imagive, Jet, if you got vicious cramps and headaches and were bleeding out of your, well, ass i guess.. since guys don't have.. anyways.. imagine that. You'd get pissed off at little shit, too. Seriously. That may be the case. She's probably on her period and overreacting to something that's really nothing.

What you need to do is not IGNORE her newfound dislike of you, but also not get all needy like: waaaaaaaaa, swing swing from the tangles of my heart.

Your best bet is to just ask her if the two of you could just talk for two seconds. Explain to her that the conversation wasn't about questioning her character or anything like that. In fact, you could flat out lie and say that Andrew brought the subject up first because he wanted to know if he could slam her in the ass or something. THat usually backfires though, dishonesty does. So, honesty, of course, is your best bet. The situation is simple: If she truly did value as a friend then she'll accept your apology. If not, then she's a fucking bitch and you don't need to associate with shitty people like that. Also, if she's not on the rag and she's just acting like this because she's angsty then you really need to reconsider making her an important part of your life. Because, fact of the matter is that she'll probably just end up getting you angsty and pissed at the world. Don't let that happen, Jet. Girls aren't worth it. No matter how hot or sexy or funny or smart or blah blah blah they aren't worth it. Especially at that trivial age.

Look. Small school. Not a lot of people. There's going to be that little pocket of hot girls and that big pocket of guys hitting puberty and sniffing ass like fucking dobermans. It's gross. All I can say is just enjoy hanging out with the guys as much as you can and avoid the ladies until you're about sixteen or seventeen. They're too dramatic and manipulative. They'll make you feel bad and guilty about things you have no business feeling bad or guilty about. Estrogen. Bad shit. Worse than heroine.

Take it from me, guy. I've known a lot of girls and it's simple: emotion guides their every decision. You have to remember that. You're tyring to look at this logically, Jet. Don't. Look at it while squeezing your balls as hard as you can. Well, don't do that. But, I mean, try to look at this situation emotionally. It'll be hard, cuz guys always want to use logic to reason out situations but you have to try. Then, that's only if you're truly interested in trying to fix this shit. If not, which i'm not recomending either way, I mean you have to appraise your own need for this relationship friends or more or less or whatever, but If you're not interested in fixing it that much then move on and just treat her like you treat your acquantances. Let her fuck the 18 year old loser. She's obviously not worth your time if she's letting him get on her and he's a total tool, as far as I've understood from what you said.

[internetn]

**Clap** **Clap** **Clap**

That was some deep shit, I outa use it.. but I never truely had this prob..

Anyways do what Oddfish says, he may be odd but he knows what hes talking about

[JetRaiden]

Recent developments:

Apparently she was suspecting that I'm just a sleezball and I was just being sincere and nice because I wanted to get in her pants.

That question she heard about was the last straw I guess.

So heres how things stand now:

-Kacy thinks Im a shallow perv who wants her for her cooch (which, ironically, is the complete opposite of what I thought was going on)
-I have a suspicion that Andrew is feeding to this lie, while trying to put moves on her.

So I guess the guy I am, is basically what she thinks Andrew is(only he's not that sensitive, even when he's faking it), and the guy Andrew is, is what she thinks I am.

Wow, that sucks. However, it simplified everything alot, now I can just blame everything on a miscommunication/rumor.


That is all, and oddfish you basically summed up what I was trying to figure out for the past few hours. I'll let her do what she wants, and if she's really not a whore that she so valiantly argues against, she won't do anything with Andrew.

[Triggar]

Wait it out. Let Andrew try and make a move on her ( :cough: statutory rape :cough: ) and then let her take some time to figure out exactly was going on the entire time. Women are dumb, yes, but not stupid :lol:

[internetn]

lol

[AztecWarrior]

Wait it out. Let Andrew try and make a move on her ( :cough: statutory rape :cough: ) and then let her take some time to figure out exactly was going on the entire time. Women are dumb, yes, but not stupid :lol:
You know what...that's probably the best advice.

[JetRaiden]

alright update:

Andrew is completely out of the picture because he's an asshole.

Kacy apologized to me, and now everything seems to be going smoothly again.

This was alot easier then I thought.

[Kyonye]

well then...you get it easy with that one....<3 i hate you...i'm never that lucky, but its ok...i guess things worked out for the best.

[Everay]

fuckin emos.

[Darksim]

Hah im such a loner.

[TheN00b]

Hah im such a loner.

Do ye' want a cookie?

[Glaynor]

You give us in depth updates throughout the whole fiasco and then you give us a one second summation? HUH?

Give details. What exactly happened? ?!?!?!

[Wraithlord]

Kill andrew, kill kacy, kill your family, then kill yourself. Problem Solved.

[JetRaiden]

alright well this is basically what happened:

she IMed me around 730

her: quick question
me: ok
her: do you really think Im a tramp?
me: absolutely not

etc etc

the whole thing with andrew was very short lived. I doubt he still even has a crush on her anymore.

[Triggar]

Glad that blew over!

[Wraithlord]

the whole thing with andrew was very short lived. I doubt he still even has a crush on her anymore.


not after he found out she wasnt as good in the sack as he thought she would be

[Darksim]

Do ye' want a cookie?
Only if you have milk.

[TheN00b]

Only if you have milk.

Negative, laddy. Ah'm sorry for yer' loss.