View Full Version : Weekly Dev Activities (aka. BFRs getting screwed)
Warborn
2004-12-07, 10:44 PM
http://www.planetside-universe.com/ps/track_psdevs.php?post=2613
Quite the change. I'm all for it, personally. I think this will finally be the patch that does the job. With the flights being considerably less durable and lacking the offensive power they currently do, all the people out there who use BFRs to killwhore and overall ruin the game will go back to flying a reaver or tower dropping from a skeeter.
Death909
2004-12-08, 12:53 AM
If they can make cloackers a more viable class and get the merits out before 2005 people might stop quiting.
Magma
2004-12-08, 09:02 AM
Yer, Clokers need som more stuf, and get a bit more ahead then thay are...
ImmrtolSoverein
2004-12-08, 09:55 AM
If they can make cloackers a more viable class and get the merits out before 2005 people might stop quiting.
What would you change?
I know right now, with Sensor Shield, there isn't a base or tower I can't get into and not hack if the CC isn't heavily guarded.
A lone cloaker can devestate backfield support (Snipers and AV troopers).
With an AMP I can take out 4-5 guys regularly before dying (usually to my own side...)
They are a harder loadout to master, but once you get their abilities down, at least for me, its much more effective than Reinforced Armor and a Heavy Assault weapon.
JP
You know, I admitted they needed to be nerfed, but lowering the flight varients armor more? It's so weak at the moment, most people don't realize that though. They are lowering damage absorbtion too? Well great, it might as well be a pinto with wings, cause it's armor will be so low that one jam and your dead. The thing that balanced it's weak armor was the fact that it could fly away, now what? Oops, flight pod damaged, NO FLYING FOR YOU. If I didn't have darklight, audio amp, adv targeting and engineering I'd be screwed. I forsee that they will be buffing the flight varients after they realize people are having a hard time surviving the 50 min timer. I'm angry, guess I'll just have to go back to my lightning for awhile.
Phaden
2004-12-08, 10:54 AM
Im looking forward to this patch! But i really do understand that they are so much more weeker than when they were introduced. God it seems like 2 diferent machines!
martyr
2004-12-08, 12:43 PM
wow, i wish this had been done a year ago... i'm also concerned that this will nullify some significant part of the stats collection they've done for merits
Warborn
2004-12-08, 01:21 PM
You know, I admitted they needed to be nerfed, but lowering the flight varients armor more? It's so weak at the moment, most people don't realize that though. They are lowering damage absorbtion too? Well great, it might as well be a pinto with wings, cause it's armor will be so low that one jam and your dead. The thing that balanced it's weak armor was the fact that it could fly away, now what? Oops, flight pod damaged, NO FLYING FOR YOU. If I didn't have darklight, audio amp, adv targeting and engineering I'd be screwed. I forsee that they will be buffing the flight varients after they realize people are having a hard time surviving the 50 min timer. I'm angry, guess I'll just have to go back to my lightning for awhile.
It can fly, you can't expect it to be very durable too. The flight variants should have never been meant for front line duty. If anything I suspect they'll be for LLU intercepts, base drains, and maybe just annoying hit-and-run stuff. But hopefully we've seen the last of the flight variants in the middle of the big fights.
Sabinius
2004-12-08, 03:04 PM
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:love: :love: :love:
Warborn
2004-12-08, 03:37 PM
Well you haven't
ahahaha
Yeah, I have. They're the only type of BFR I really see. Now and then I'll see another Juggernaut, maybe a Colossus (without a doubt a new BFR pilot trying to get his badge), but swarms of Invaders. When I see a VS or NC BFR, guess what nine times out of ten it is? That's right, a goddamn flight variant. Mobility is king in this game, and with how easy it is for them to fly away from danger, or fly up on walls and mow down infantry, it's no wonder they're so damn common. And that's why I've been so keen on seeing them nerfed to hell by the devs. Which they have. And so all is well.
Sabinius
2004-12-08, 04:02 PM
ahahaha
Yeah, I have. They're the only type of BFR I really see. Now and then I'll see another Juggernaut, maybe a Colossus (without a doubt a new BFR pilot trying to get his badge), but swarms of Invaders. When I see a VS or NC BFR, guess what nine times out of ten it is? That's right, a goddamn flight variant. Mobility is king in this game, and with how easy it is for them to fly away from danger, or fly up on walls and mow down infantry, it's no wonder they're so damn common. And that's why I've been so keen on seeing them nerfed to hell by the devs. Which they have. And so all is well.
Agreed warborn, oh by the way, <3 (SQUEEKY TOO)
And I'm all for the cloaker class, cloakers are definetly
as fun as hell, but just anything that will make the game exciting again
As for the game being exciting, I got a bfr, it was stupid, and sucked,
so I untrained it the next day
NeoPhoenixTE
2004-12-08, 05:23 PM
This'll certainly be interesting....but also good to see juggernauts on the field more...
...SoE will have to change the BFR intro movie if they kill the basic BFRs.
Also, something else of note that I have to get out: Sabinus, your sig is ugly (I blame MSPaint), cluttered, and just plain scary. Well done. You have met the bar of your average forum whore's sig. Too busy whoring to make a good sig. :]
hazzer2007
2004-12-08, 05:38 PM
I dont like it, removing the basic bfr, why???? and the drematic change of the adv bfr merit procese, it took me ages to get it, and now all you need to do is 15 kills, you have made it wores, theres going to be loads of n00bs in adv bfr, if you didn't like it before, your not going to like it now!
Warborn
2004-12-08, 06:26 PM
I dont like it, removing the basic bfr, why???? and the drematic change of the adv bfr merit procese, it took me ages to get it, and now all you need to do is 15 kills, you have made it wores, theres going to be loads of n00bs in adv bfr, if you didn't like it before, your not going to like it now!
1) Should be obvious why the standard BFR was removed. Now you have a choice between a paper thin flight BFR with wussy weapons, or a slow, lumbering, grounded BFR whose offensive potential relies on having a gunner. The standards were removed to make sure the flight variant users now don't have a more mobile one-man BFR to fall back on. It's either paper thin POS or the one that requires teamwork to be useful.
2) There already are loads of "n00bs" in advanced BFRs. Virtually every BFR out there is a flight variant or gunner variant. Couple standards here and there, but in general most BFR pilots have Adv. already. Even still, as the change said, the streak has been changed to 15. Doesn't mean you don't need the 100 kills, just that instead of a streak of 20 kills, you need 15 now.
Eldanesh
2004-12-09, 06:09 AM
I just broke 100 bfr kills with only agile/deci, after this patch I think I will drop AV.
Personally, I like the idea that they require the teamwork now before they let you get the solo one. I would almost have prefered the starting bfr have no driver guns, and only after 15-20 driver assists would they get the ability to get driver guns and flight varient. Still, this is good.
As it is, I barely see gunner varients, its just the non-adv and flights everywhere. Now with gunners everywhere, and probably fewer of them, I think the number of agile-hotdroppers will be cut too because gunner varients can't get solo'd as easily.
MadHunter
2004-12-09, 06:50 AM
What would you change?
I know right now, with Sensor Shield, there isn't a base or tower I can't get into and not hack if the CC isn't heavily guarded.
A lone cloaker can devestate backfield support (Snipers and AV troopers).
With an AMP I can take out 4-5 guys regularly before dying (usually to my own side...)
They are a harder loadout to master, but once you get their abilities down, at least for me, its much more effective than Reinforced Armor and a Heavy Assault weapon.
JP
Funny story...
We were in the caves having a fight, the TR had a hack on one of the bases and were surrounding it with mossies and a couple of Maxes.
One of my squaddies had his cloaker suit on and decided to check it out. Not only did he get past the mossie and Max surrounding the outside of the base he also managed to sneak past the 3 TR rexos stood next to the CC and rehacked it back :D
An idea for a cloaker toy...
An invisible sticky camera. A cloaker has an item in his inventory, the size of an ammo boz so only taking 1 slot, which he can stick to a wall. This then becomes a camera and in place of the original item he now has a monitor in which he can use to spot any incoming enemies.
This would be great for keeping an eye out on corridors and the putside of bases etc. when people have a hack on or are guarding the gen, or in other such circumstances.
The camera would be invisible but picked up with dark light and destroyed with 1 or 2 shots.
Only cloakers could use them.
Let me know what you think.
1) Should be obvious why the standard BFR was removed. Now you have a choice between a paper thin flight BFR with wussy weapons, or a slow, lumbering, grounded BFR whose offensive potential relies on having a gunner. The standards were removed to make sure the flight variant users now don't have a more mobile one-man BFR to fall back on. It's either paper thin POS or the one that requires teamwork to be useful.
Whoa wussy weapons? Dual Haammers on the NC flight varient pwn all. I can even take out those idiots that try to kill me with the cannon on the lib. I really havent noticed any difference, I though I would. I still last the entire night, even through big battles. Also I was at the cery cap last night on Markov and saw about 30 flight varients of all empires, so I doubt they will go away. It is not a POS. You know I remember people all mad about the lightning back in the day because it was a one man veh with substantial power, I got my BR 20 with it, then it got nerfed and slowly it has been buffed. I also remember people whining about its weak armor, but my skill with it made it a viable tool for me. Eventually the same thing will happen with BFR's.
hazzer2007
2004-12-09, 12:13 PM
Doesn't mean you don't need the 100 kills, just that instead of a streak of 20 kills, you need 15 now.
i'm not arguwing but how does that work now with no normal bfr?????
2Seksy4MyModem
2004-12-09, 01:21 PM
The unadvanced BFR cert gives you the gunner varient. After the 100 kills and 15 streak you gain access to the flight varient
oddfish
2004-12-09, 03:26 PM
meh, BFR's..
instead of bitching about how powerful they are, perhaps some people should have developed some great TEAM based anti-bfr tactics. two or three guys solo-ing it with Deci's is not good anti-bfr tactics, contrary to popular belief. and, i think the deci rocket is too slow.. anyone else feel the same way?
Warborn
2004-12-09, 03:59 PM
Whoa wussy weapons? Dual Haammers on the NC flight varient pwn all.
Which is of course why they're being nerfed, but then, I wasn't talking about the weapons being weak currently, I was talking about what they'd be like post-patch. The pilot weapons are all being made less effective. So the flights will have less shielding, less armor, and weaker weapons.
KIAsan
2004-12-09, 04:11 PM
Thank god, some sanity has returned to the dev team. At the rate we were bleeding folks, I figured PS was heading for a shutdown. Now, this will force folks to be team players in those BFRs (which should have been done from the start).
Of course, they can still screw this all up with adv merits, and they probably will.
Anyway, for now we can enjoy a small return to sanity and enjoy the game for a while more.
Ps is still bleeding people like a fresh wound, o well though.
FatalLight
2004-12-09, 08:12 PM
An idea for a cloaker toy...
An invisible sticky camera. A cloaker has an item in his inventory, the size of an ammo boz so only taking 1 slot, which he can stick to a wall. This then becomes a camera and in place of the original item he now has a monitor in which he can use to spot any incoming enemies.
This would be great for keeping an eye out on corridors and the putside of bases etc. when people have a hack on or are guarding the gen, or in other such circumstances.
The camera would be invisible but picked up with dark light and destroyed with 1 or 2 shots.
Only cloakers could use them.
Let me know what you think.
:D I want one!
Krazyman443
2004-12-09, 09:09 PM
This is a great idea, I hope this will help the 50+ BFR problem on the battlefield.
Death909
2004-12-09, 10:25 PM
They better not schedual this event while im on camp, or a few days after that on holidays. (from the 17 to the 22 is the only time im not busy, so im guessing im going to get screwed over by the camp+holidays)
LiveWireTehSoda
2004-12-10, 08:24 AM
Looks like I might actually start playing again... 3 bfrs down, 6 to go! :love: :groovy:
SilverLord
2004-12-10, 11:32 AM
I am oh so happy to hear this news. This will help infantry out alot. The only problem is, is that the only ones we can kill, can focus on two targets at once. But they will be much slower, enabling me to under them and deci them to death. Die BFR's.
Corsairsn
2004-12-10, 09:31 PM
Yay I'm happy too this is a good update for the regular infantryman. (me)
Vis Armata
2004-12-11, 08:01 PM
Well, either way the BFRs are brought into the team aspect of the game with this patch. The alternatives become (1) to blend Eagle-class BFRs with other forces or (2) deploy the Sentinel-class mech, which requires cooperation by design. So, good choice.
I agree, this will prove once and for all that BFR's do require skill to be used effectively. Finally, people will stop saying "BFR noob."
p0intman
2004-12-12, 02:30 PM
this will not help much, too little--too late. it hurts to see that a game that was once good, is now nothing but crap.
off to WoW
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kcirreda
2004-12-12, 03:51 PM
did they nerf the gunner 1s? or is it just me?
Warborn
2004-12-12, 04:53 PM
did they nerf the gunner 1s? or is it just me?
It's hard to say without knowing the exact values. They're a bit faster than before, but their armor is weaker and the pilot guns are weaker. Whether or not the gunner weaponry has been upped enough to make the gunners as powerful as before is left to be seen.
However, one thing that some people may not have noticed is that the run speed has "been reduced for all." All gunners or all BFRs, I don't know, but the transit mode is the one thing that let's BFRs have the lifespan they do. Of all the changes, the lower run speed might be the most influential to the gunner variant. If the flights have reduced run speed too, well, Allah have mercy on them if they get into a serious combat altercation.
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