woman cut open, baby stolen, woman dies, baby lives...

[MrVicchio]

MARYVILLE, Mo. (AP) - A woman was charged Friday with killing a pregnant woman and kidnapping the baby that was cut from her womb. Authorities found the infant was found in good health, ending a day of frantic searching.

U.S. Attorney Todd Graves said Lisa M. Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kan., was charged with kidnapping resulting in death in the slaying of 23-year-old Bobbie Jo Stinnett, who was found nearly dead Thursday in her Skidmore home. Paramedics tried to revive her, but she was pronounced dead at a hospital.

Although DNA tests were pending to confirm the baby's identity, authorities called off the Amber Alert issued for the child.

"We're confident we have the little girl that was taken from Skidmore," Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey said during a news conference in Maryville.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041218/D871P4AO0.html


They left her ALIVE with her stomach cut open and her baby stolen. This is like something out of a horror flick...

[Smaug]

Huh, I didn't know you could do that.

[JetRaiden]

wow. thats a fucking miracle.

[Doop]

I've never seen the movies, but that really reminded me of Kill Bill.

[Mr1337Duck]

That woman, the one who did the killing and cutting open. Waste her ass. If this were a perfect world, they'd show all the evidence, pronounce the bitch guilty a week or so later, and within a few days her ass would be in the chair, the chambers, or in front of a firing squad. Being a female will get her ZERO sympathy in this case.

[Sputty]

Actually, it'll do the opposite Duck. Women have a serious hated relationship, often being negatively seen immediately, and other women are the worse of the possible genders in relation to other women in courts. Your post proves that even men are rarely willing to see possible innocence, even in judicial systems based on that principle. Scott Peterson is dead in the mind of the media and I'm going to have to take my rant and change some names. Yay.

Also, George Orwell is looking more and more right on his views of democracy

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Well, guess I can get rid of this Anti-Sex sash then.

[Giovanni]

There's a good movie in Quebec called "Sur le seuil"... great movie and at some point you see the guy (who's possesed) cut the stomach of a pregnant woman and put his lips on the lips of the baby wich transfers the entity.

[Sputty]

That's not a good movie
That's a fucked up and retarded movie

[Giovanni]

I dunno I liked it, it's kind of creepy wich is good in my opinion since most movies barely achieve a sense of creepiness these days.

[AztecWarrior]

That kid is going to grow up and become a superhero.

In all seriousness, a sad case, and I hope the criminals suffer.

[Smaug]

and I hope the victims suffer.

... do you want to rephrase that, perhaps?

[AztecWarrior]

... do you want to rephrase that, perhaps?
Oh, fuck.

Dear God, that is a bad error.


CRIMINALS. The perpetrators must suffer.

[Sputty]

Well, if he becomes a super hero he will suffer, and live a life of loneliness and sadness

Aztec is evil, wishing horrible pain on others

[Wraithlord]

That's not a good movie
That's a fucked up and retarded movie


.

[Doop]

OR maybe he'll be like the cyborg samurai in Blood Will Tell and he'll have to recover his body parts should they be stolen!

[ChronoSphere]

And sick things like this are what the death penalty is for.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Ten bucks says that the kid becomes Robocop.

Or dies. Either one.

[Mr1337Duck]

Actually Sputty, in most cases I have less harsh views of women than I do of men for the same actions.

This, however, is not one of those cases. If a man committed this crime, people would be calling for his blood, and I expect this woman recieve the same punishment that would be expected for a man.

As I understand it, they have some pretty good forensic evidence. If they can show that in court and prove the bitch guilty, I hope the jurors have the good sense to kill her. This is a heinous crime, and deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of American law.

[DaShiznit]

Because we all know that killing people solves all of our problems! YAY! And there's absolutely NO possibility that someone on death row could be innocent! Hooray for lethal injection!

[TheN00b]

Because we all know that killing people solves all of our problems! YAY! And there's absolutely NO possibility that someone on death row could be innocent! Hooray for lethal injection!

In this case, assuming that the evidence is totally sound, then she should be killed. The only reason that I'm against the death penalty is because it can be performed (unwittingly, sortof) on an innocent.

[Jaged]

Because we all know that killing people solves all of our problems! YAY! And there's absolutely NO possibility that someone on death row could be innocent! Hooray for lethal injection!
So if they can prove that this lady is guilty beyond any shadow of doubt, you dont think she should be put to death?

[OfaLoaf]

So if they can prove that this lady is guilty beyond any shadow of doubt, you dont think she should be put to death?
Why? She's an evil bitch, but killing's not necessary.

[Giovanni]

Let's see, swift death vs. being beat in prison every day of my life... guess wich one would be more of a bitch to deal with!

I'd rather get fried then spend the rest of my life in prison surrounded by men bigger then me (aka everyone!)

[Mr1337Duck]

And yet if we made executions longer and more painful, we'd have the same people whining and bitching about torture or somesuch. You just can't please these people. They'll never say they need to make prisons nicer, but you aren't allowed to make executions more painful. What's the deal? Makes little sense. It's A-okay to make prisons unpleasant because they did bad shit to get in there and they'll stay alive, but they don't want either swift or long executions. Seems to me that that'd make you some kind of sadistic bastards. But never forget, if you're a liberal who claims to be a wonderful pacifist but treats criminals like shit in prison to keep them alive, it's far better than a conservative who figures if you fuck up bad, you need to be killed.


The sides are all messed up here.

[Triggar]

Two Wrongs != One Right

[Squeeky]

That baby is gonna be fucking scarred for life

[Triggar]

Some articles with pictures of the murdered lady and her husband:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/LAW/12/18/missouri.fetus/top.couple.wdaf.jpg

And the nutcase who killed her:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/LAW/12/18/missouri.fetus/story.suspect.montgomery.ap.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/12/18/missouri.fetus/index.html

[Rbstr]

this is all over the news here, and now they are even trying to pass some kind of new amber allert law that allows for the calling of an amber alert even if you can't give a description of the child.

It is a very wierd story, it's liek somethign out of a sci-fi movie.

[Kyonye]

this kinda happened once before but differently....husband and pregnant wife were in a horrible car crash, the mothers stomach was cut open and the baby was hanging out, but the paramedics were able to save the baby although the mother died. the father was ok. he named the baby after the emt who saved him.

[OfaLoaf]

And yet if we made executions longer and more painful, we'd have the same people whining and bitching about torture or somesuch. You just can't please these people. They'll never say they need to make prisons nicer, but you aren't allowed to make executions more painful. What's the deal? Makes little sense. It's A-okay to make prisons unpleasant because they did bad shit to get in there and they'll stay alive, but they don't want either swift or long executions. Seems to me that that'd make you some kind of sadistic bastards. But never forget, if you're a liberal who claims to be a wonderful pacifist but treats criminals like shit in prison to keep them alive, it's far better than a conservative who figures if you fuck up bad, you need to be killed.


The sides are all messed up here.
I just don't like killing... I've been raised up like a good little Christian Boy not to kill. Treat 'em like shit, but don't kill. That's my feeling on it. They deserve horrible things, but killing is a one-time thing only, no matter what, and they deserve worse than a one-time only thing.
Also, more prisons means more jobs. There would be more farmers to farm food the prisoners eat, more guards for the prisons, etc.

[Giovanni]

And yet if we made executions longer and more painful, we'd have the same people whining and bitching about torture or somesuch. You just can't please these people. They'll never say they need to make prisons nicer, but you aren't allowed to make executions more painful. What's the deal? Makes little sense. It's A-okay to make prisons unpleasant because they did bad shit to get in there and they'll stay alive, but they don't want either swift or long executions. Seems to me that that'd make you some kind of sadistic bastards. But never forget, if you're a liberal who claims to be a wonderful pacifist but treats criminals like shit in prison to keep them alive, it's far better than a conservative who figures if you fuck up bad, you need to be killed.


The sides are all messed up here.

Well here we are again, in yet ANOTHER thread were you show how often your mother dropped you on your head as a child.

You counter an argument about rendering prisonners miserable in a little 7' by 4' cell with a shitty bed by saying: "Let's torture them then!" you might as well be holding to your side your sister and a bastard child while you pump your shotgun to shoot trepassers that were on your "propertay".

Just what kind of white trash family do you come from, seriously. Your argument stands up as much as a trailer park in the middle of a tornado, the prison for life thing is there to stay as we evolve as a race (unless Bush clones an army of himself and get's elected on every seat). Fact is, even if you torture the prisonner that's on death row in the end he's still going to die. Prison for life is going to make him endure things you'd never think possible (the raping being one and the beatings another) and to top it all off, the person is never going to go free, she's going to be all alone in prison whilst her loved ones pass away and she grows older and older.

Just because that person killed someone doesnt mean she doesnt deserve being alive. In fact she has to stay alive to be wrapped in the blanket that is called guilt wich makes it ever so sweet for the families of the victim as the perp grows older, weaker and more fucked up each day.

Our society is growing and growing, hell maybe one day we will reach a point where crime will be gone but for now let's just cram them in a cell and let them rot in there. Eye for eye doesnt apply anymore, we arent barbarians and we need to set the example. It's people like you that are holding us back in the dark ages we are in.

[Sputty]

Scientifically positive reinforcement is far more effective than negative. Yes, there are cases of those who are unchangeable, but negative reinforcement wouldn't do anything either in those cases.