Was reading up on certs...

[AcidNick]

When i found this..

"You can also unlearn certs in case you decide you don�t want to specialize in something you've learned, but the penalty is a 24 hour wait period before you can spend those points on another cert."

Does anyone know if that is 24 hours of ingame time, or 24 hours regular time.

[Tobias]

24 real time, might have been changed to a week.

[Ludio]

It used to be a week, now its 24 hours. And its real time, not game time.

[Croco]

Mr Ludio is right. It's 24h real time not game time. They had before a week, but was more frustrating than enjoyable to have it like that. They want us to have fun playing the game. :D

[Tobias]

Aye, apon a little research it is indeed 24 hours real time.

[Arshune]

Speaking of certs, weren't we s'posed to be getting some new info on them sometime soon?

[Sol]

I think 24 hours to reset all certs is a bit carebear. I hope they increase the time quite a bit during beta. Or make it so you can only reset 1 cert in a 24 hour period.

[Hamma]

Originaly it was like one week or somthing. (that was probably already mentioned here but I didnt see it :p )

[Ludio]

Originaly it was like one week or somthing. (that was probably already mentioned here but I didnt see it )

God forbid you look at the third post... :D

[TheGreatCarbini]

Hey! That "Go to last post" is there for a reason.;)

[Hamma]

I was tired, what can i say

[Squeeky]

Originally posted by Hamma
I was tired, what can i say

You can say

Juro, Fidelidad, A la bandera, de los estados, unidos, de america. Ij a la republica, que symboliza, uno nacion, bajo dios, indivisble, con libertad, ij justicia, para todos

[TheGreatCarbini]

Pledge of alligence eh?

[Flashingfish]

I liked the one week limit; I don't know why it was changed =/

I mean, you can try out all weapons and vehicles in the VR training area, so it's not like you could get a cert and find out you don't like it and have to wait a week to change.

Having it as 24 hours is a bit annoying really, because no one will have as "defined" characters as if they'd have to choose certs more carefully.

At least they didn't make it one hour... D:

[Gyddyn]

I prefer 24 hours, a week is a tad bit long.

[Sol]

I agree with teh fish! A 24 hour limit allows anyone to be anything.

Hacker today, MAX tomorrow!

[Arshune]

You gotta think though, something you like in VR training you might not like when people have the counter-item to it. From what I can gather, VR training is mostly target practice and vehicle hazard courses.

I like 24 hours, it's long enough that people can't switch on the fly during base defense, but they won't make the decision to change unless they really don't like the cert they have.

On a side note, they said you can get up to battle rank 5 in VR training, is that just from the experience someone gets for trying new things out and completing the various tests, or is it like an actual game against other players?

[Ludio]

Originally posted by Flashingfish
Having it as 24 hours is a bit annoying really, because no one will have as "defined" characters as if they'd have to choose certs more carefully.

They may not be as defined cert wise, but if you constantly play a certain role then you will be much better at it. For example if your outfit has a shortage of galaxy pilots for an assualt they are planning and they need extras then you can change the day before. If your main experience has been as an infilitrator though, then you probably aren't going to be a very good pilot.

It is mostly because if after a month of playing you decide you hate being a sniper you don't have to wait for 1/4 of the time you have been playing to change roles. I know that having 4 characters makes it so that it isn't so essential to change roles, but many people may not want to start over.

[thegame109]

"They should make it like 72 hours or something, to keep the people that wanna week and 24 hour people happy."

I agree with what's said here!,it seems much more logical!

[Ranger]

Actually i like the 24 hour waiting time. But i could also see it if they changed it to 72 hours. It would be more of a penalty for unlearning things and would force them, if they are impatient, to use their other caracters if they want to play effectively.

[AcidNick]

a week is a long time, thats almost 10 days...








*just so noone thinks im retarded, this post was just for comical purposes*





anyways, i think maybe a 2-4 day period would be good, cause what if you mis click, wouldnt wanna be a hacker, if you really meant to be max.

[Flameseeker]

It should be 36 hours IMHO. That seems like a good number. BTW, stupid, a week isn't ten days, it's 5. You people can't count.;)

[quiet]

:nono: Sigh, a week is 6 days.

:D

Well, I like the shorter time myself. Longer times accentuate the need for alts, which I don't like.

[Hellsfire123]

the measure weeks in days? i thought it was just i woke up 7 times. I say it should take 2 waking periods to change certs?


Also, after BL5 can you go back to the VR training? Just to try things out again?

EDIT: hey look....a whole thread on this.....http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2957

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Personally I see no need for the 24 hours, it should be a real life week if not more. There is absolutely no reason to retrain certs except for stupidity or a change in playstyle.

You can test EVERYTHING in VR training.
You can have alts.
You can see how it works with other people on the battle field.

If you can not make your intelligent decision with all that info, you should be stuck with it. Personally, I don't think you should even be able to retrain certs, but since you can, it shouldn't be 24 hours because as someone mentioned, you don't need alts because you can just take a DAY off and be something totally different the next day.

All in all, no seal of Kiwi approval.

[CrazyMike]

You can test EVERYTHING in VR training.


Well you can't test how a certain cert combination is going to work in the field. If you are experimenting or tweaking your certs waiting a week is a major pain in the ass. And using an Alt is not going to be usefull since any Alt wouldn't necessarily be at the same battle rank as your main and may not have all the options available to it.

The main benefit to the 24 hours that I see is that it alows you to plan. We're definately going to see outfits plan certain days where they get together for a "raid" and if you know ahead of time there is going to be a shortage of medics or galaxy pilots it allows you to prepare yourself and fill in the holes.


CrazyMike

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Well lets really think this out. You CAN test everything in VR, so you theoretically can figure out how something will work with something else.

If you buy something and go "Oh crap, this doesn't work at all", it goes against all your logic, testing, and talking to other people.

HOWEVER, if you remove this ability, are you "gimping" your character for that week?

Not at all, this game is made so it doesn't matter all that much. Having 24 hours gives you the "instant change" ability by taking a day off, which I simply think is silly.

The main benefit to the 24 hours that I see is that it alows you to plan. We're definately going to see outfits plan certain days where they get together for a "raid" and if you know ahead of time there is going to be a shortage of medics or galaxy pilots it allows you to prepare yourself and fill in the holes.

This is why I don't want this in game, you should not be able to do this. Your character should be unique, by being able to do a full change for a plan, it really defeats the whole purpose.