Magrider, Prowler, Or Vanguard - Which is Best?

[Ridetehlightnin]

I've been playing nc and tr a lot lately, usually playing vs. I mainly go for gunning the tanks, and, well, after testing them all out, I've came to the conclusion that the VS Magrider is the best, for the following reasons -

Agile and fast in combat. Cannon thingy long range and very accurate. Driver has got a gun also. Hovering ability - can go over water.

After months of playing on VS, and then changing the the TR and NC van and prowler, I realised that even though they sport much more power, it doesnt make up for everything the Magrider offers.

- What are YOUR views?

[Baneblade]

I like the Vanguard, but the Prowler is the most powerful tank in the game. I hate gunning the Mag on land though, the bounce kills accuracy.

[Polgara]

The magrider is a very good tank, but I�m going to have to say the prowler, that is if you have some good gunners, if not it just becomes a rolling coffin for 3 unfortunate TR's (or NC or VS if they were unfortunate enough to hack it :p )

[GreyFlcn]

For tank purposes. I'd say Vanguard

[Ridetehlightnin]

I hate gunning the Mag on land though, the bounce kills accuracy.

Yeah true, but no problem a good driver can't sort =]. The t hing I hated mostly with the prowler and vanguard was the aiming. It was just pooooooooooop! Magriders though, brilliant aiming so it's way better for destroying airborn targets =]!

[Warborn]

Depends. Either the Magrider or the Prowler. Prowler is better up close, Magrider better at range. Sometimes you don't want to get close to the thing you're firing at, maybe because it has a lot of friends, and in those situations I wish I were using the rail gun of a Magrider. In all other situations I prefer a Prowler though.

For what it's worth, however, I find the Vanguard's gun more satisfying than the Prowler's, at least.

[GreyFlcn]

Vanguard again

As far as versitility it's awesome

Great short range
Second best long range
Just a little bit slower than Mag
100% Better turning than Mag
Can take down Air without need for secondary Gunner
Trades off nothing in AI department, with gignormo splash and instagib.
Most forgiving aim with bumps
Lowest profile
Oh yeah, and LOTS and LOTS of Armor.

[MrPaul]

Prowler owns all.
I once was in a tank column with BMC, with 10 Prowlers. I was the main gunner at one point, and I alone got 40something kills.

Again, when I was in a smaller group, I gunned as both chaingunner and main gunner, and got 30something kills.

The main problem with the Mag is that you can retreat, but once you're over a hill, you really can't do much to slow down any pursuing forces. The shells will fall back down, and over any hills, owning all on the other side. Also, you'll need to retreat a whole lot more, due to the low armour (and no, the speed doesn't make up for it, it's still easy as hell to hit, even with a Vanguard, or even worse, a TR AV MAX.)

I chose the prowler over the Vanguard for two main reasons. The Prowler has more power than the Vanguard, and will easily win a 1 on 1 with equal skill between the 5 players. The second reason was that the Vanguard really can't operate without some sort of AA support due to the slowness of it's secondary gun (a mozzie can run circles around it), whereas the 12mm (?) on the prowler owns both the reaver and the mosquito. The Liberator, granted, does own a Prowler, but then again, the Lib outright owns all. And granted, I once used a galaxy as a gunship, and we took out a prowler (I was NC then), but the Galaxy is a fucking beast when used as a purely gunning ship.

[Ridetehlightnin]

I realised that this thread is just going to end up an arguement over everyone opinions, so lets get the facts straight with no bias.

Magrider
Speed: 3/3
Accuracy: 3/3
Agility: 2/3
Power: 1/3
Armour: 1/3

Vanguard
Speed:2/3
Accuracy:1/3
Agility:3/3
Power:3/3
Armour:2/3

Prowler
Speed:1/3
Accuracy:2/3
Agility:1/3
Power:3/3
Armour:3/3

These are what I think is what each vehicle has. If you have any corrections offer them.
Now we need to ask, which combination is better -
the VSs Speed, accuracy
the NCs Power, agility
the TRs Armour, Power


Magrider
Pros
Speed = Long life, since it can escape battles.
Accuracy = Ownage of the skies/distance.

Cons
Power/Armour = Not a lot of power means that it takes some time to kill the enemy, and they have a good chance of killing you with your low armour. Unsuitable for close combat.

Vanguard
Pros
Power = close combat ownage.
Agility = Long life, can dodge attacks.

Cons
Accuracy = Tricky to aim at a distance. Unsuitable at a distance then.
Prowler
Pros
Armour = Long life - can endure a lot of attack.
OK Power/Accuracy = A good tool in medium range combat

Cons
Speed = Not good close range. Say a BFr pops outa no wher.e RUN! But wait you can't. You are the slowest of the three tanks.

Notice anything? All have long life when combining their good assets. Also, all is good in a certain situation. The Vanguard Can own close/medium range with its power, but useless long range with its bad accuracy. The Prowler at medium range is it's best, having OK power/accuracy and good armour, but close up it's weak, unable to run good from the battle, and at long range it's accuracy doesn't do it any favours. The magrider can own at a distance and at medium range with it's sweet speed and accuracy, however at close range it could get ripped appart since it isnt the most powerful.

So when you get down to it, the question "Which is best?" really depends on the situation, but here's the assumptions we can make.
CLOSE = Van
MEDIUM = Prowler
LONG = Mag

To answer which acts as best tank, we need to know which situation is most common.
Medium id say, wouldn't you?

PROWLER!!

EDIT: Yes, I know I am contracting the things I opened this thread with by saying the Prowler is the best, but I didn't put much thought into it at the start, and I have realised my errors =] Also - I am open to CONSTRUCTIVE Critisism. =]!

[Baneblade]

Vanguard still has more armor than the Prowler...unless they changed it.

[Ridetehlightnin]

I'm sure the Prowler has more armour. Someone should do a quick investigation into it.
Anyway, if anyone was thinking about starting "Thresher, Marauder or Enforcer - Which Is Best?", "Lancer, Pheonix, or Striker - Which is Best?", or "Beamer, Scatter-Cannon, Repeater - Which is best?" threads, think again. I think the general idea has been explained here =]

[GreyFlcn]

3500 MagRider
4000 Prowler
4500 Vanguard

[Sabinius]

yeah, the magrider is the most AWESOME tank
but prowler has the most powerful gun

and same as mr paul, whenever I got the main gun
I was like.. 40/0.. so sexy

[JetRaiden]

they all have their pros/cons. Vanguards own all however.


wrong vanguard has the mots powerful gun.

[juggalokilla]

vanguard has150 mm cannon, prowler has 100mm but fires estimated about 30% faster with 15mm chaingun assistance making about even if not slightly more firepower.

Prowler owns with the multiple targeting where a vanguard getting shot by tank and mossie would lose a prowler has better chance. mag would survive not as the dominant one but by running from armor and railgun repelling air.

My big question has always been "if vanguard has more armor than prowler, why is it faster?"

[MrPaul]

My big question has always been "if vanguard has more armor than prowler, why is it faster?"
And has the biggest gun, and it's also very small (low) making it hard to hit. The prowler is pretty poor when it comes to being shot at - easily the easiest to hit, even when all three are stationary.

[iluvthequasar]

6 hitting shots from a magrider will kill a vanguard (assuming he has no shield, maybe somewhere around 8 or 9 with a shield). The magrider is EXTREMELY hard to hit without guided AV weaponry (phoenix, striker, etc...). Lastly, if a BFR comes up and decides to ruin your day, you can easily escape with your 68 kph max speed. Sure vanguard might own in close combat, but it's hard to aim the 155mm gun to hit certain targets. Its primary advantage is that it's hard to hit with a lancer. As far as the prowler goes, target practice. Sure the 100mm cannon will kill an infantry in 1 shot, a MAX in 2, but comeon, ITS HUGE!!! One reaver rocket barrage will take out a third of its health, and it's not that hard to hit either, even when going full speed. When it comes down to Tank-on-Tank combat, I would definitely drive a Magrider any day :drools: .
Tank-on-BFR combat, I would take a Prowler because of the armor and fast firing guns. Tank-on-Anything-else combat, I'd go for a Vanguard because the 155mm cannon will decimate ground troops and light vehicles, and if a reaver comes along, blow it out of the sky with your 20mm guns. I'm not being biased, but the Magrider is the best IMO in Tank-on-Tank combat (it can't really do anything to infantry though...)

-iluvthequasar

(EDITED) BTW, why didn't you simply do a poll?

[Baneblade]

6 shots from the railgun to kill a Van? Are you mad?

[DeepStrikeck]

It depends on the sit for me. However, I don't like the prowler, to big and bulky, Easy target. When fighting BFR's, mags wtfpwn them if they have good gunners and around 3-4 of them. Just shreads them from afar. But for all other purposes, I like my vanny.

[iluvthequasar]

A few more than 6 shots from a magrider will kill a Vanny from full health. Don't believe it had full health? Targeting is among my implants...... Sry to be so one sided, but I gun Mags every once in a while, and when I do, I kill at least one vanny/prowler before I get the sh*t blown out of me. Usually two, if the driver can avoid enemy attacks... All I need is a clear shot, and friendlies/trees that don't get in my line of fire... ;)

[Pathfinder60]

The MG has a vastly signifcant edge over the others with it's anti infantry capabilites and its speed and agility. But the PR and VG have better primary weapons and armor. It sucks because I have not seen a good tank battle one time in a long time on PS, just one on ones. But there was this awesome base assault where we (NC) were assaulting this terran tech plant and a couple prowlers got out and managed to kill a couple of vannys and a BFR before being slaughtered by our Phoniexs. Good Old Phoniexs. Remember sitting back and watching because my sniper rifle could'nt do crap at long range. PRs are pretty vunerable to Infantry fire, as they are high and stand out very well

[Ridetehlightnin]

I realised I shouldn't have started this thread. The devs made a game of three sides, all should be equal. The devs have done a brilliant job in doin that, and they are equal, the tanks are equal, special in their own ways.