Why was netarun banned?

[Hezzy]

I'm curious to this.

Let's go from the start. Netarun posted a thread titled "Help out disaster victims, you heartless fucks". A total of one person posted in this thread before the title was changed. People carried on posting, critiquing the thread. Netarun was obviously offended by this, for he replied each time when someone posted something negative. It was then locked.

Netarun posted a second thread, titled "Help out disaster victims, you happy nice beautiful folks!". Squeeky then proceded to insult Netarun. I try to put the thread back on track, but it doesn't work. People start flaming Netarun left, right and centre. People then proceed to derail the thread. Squeeky makes it his personal crusade to "shit on this thread". I am ashamed at PSU for doing this. Sure, netarun might have been abit silly with the massive text. That doesn't give people an excuse to bait him into replying. Wasn't one of Squeeky's conditions to be unbanned to not flame people? He's just broken it by doing that to netarun's thread.

The thread was then locked and netarun was banned. This is the point of the thread. I would like the admin who chose his decision to explain their reasons in doing so. My personal opinion is that it wasn't a very good decision, but that doesn't matter.

Is this how PSU treats our new members? I'm pretty ashamed at what PSU did in those two threads and to netarun.

[Biohazzard56]

I can understand changing the name of the thread, but I dont see why he got banned.

[Phaden]

I agree, why did he get banned? Any chance of a response from who did it?

[MrPaul]

I was curious as to this too. In my opinion there are other people who are far more deserving of a ban, but seem to get away with doing things just because they've been here for a long time.

[Corrosion]

From what I can tell, Jennyboo did it.

[Lusence]

Probally cause the guy is an asshole with nothing to contribute to ANYTHING. But I only "chatted" with him once. Whew that was more than enough.

[Fragmatic]

[23:45:42] [Fragmatic]: RIGHT
[23:45:48] [Fragmatic]: WHICH FUCKNUGGET BANNED NETARUN
[23:46:02] [Fragmatic]: WHOEVER DID SHJOULD HAVE THEIR BOOBBS OR PIENIS CHOPPEND

[Rbstr]

i don't think he deserved a ban

[Kyonye]

it doesn't seem right, from the knowledge that is in front of us, to have banned him....every post he made that had anger to it was because of people flaming him for no reason. if there is something missing that none of us know about, then i can't say much but to whats out there, he didn't really do anything wrong....

[Infernus]

http://img1.exs.cx/img1/8727/seriousbusiness28be.jpg

SERIOUS BUSINESS PEOPLE!

[Squeeky]

Chester Chinchilla says: Internet...SERIOS BIZNESS!

I wasnt gonna say anything, but i'm tired of taking the flack. netarun = Dharkbayne. I dont know why none of you figured this out, but it was him.

:lol:

You guys are great.

[Setari]

edit: lololololo :evil: :doh: :huh: :confused:

[Hezzy]

netarun = Dharkbayne.

And how sure of that are you?

[Infernus]

Havign talked to both netarun and dhark...


they are not the same. Sorry.

[Squeeky]

And how sure of that are you?

110%, Dharkbayne told me :doh:

Start backpeddaling dude, quickly! Make sure not to trip though.

Havign talked to both netarun and dhark...


they are not the same. Sorry.

Unless Dharkbayne is lying, it's him. You guys be the judge. I could care less. Hopefully the whiners will leave.

All the whiners remind me of the whiny liberals going to Canada. Except I have more respect, because instead of staying and whining, they up and leave. I never though i'd say this, but you could learn a thing or two from those hippies.

[Hezzy]

110%, Dharkbayne told me :doh:

Start backpeddaling dude, quickly! Make sure not to trip though.

I'm sorry to inform you that netarun was infact, one of my mates from a clan in a game called "Jumpgate". Way to lose, Squeeky.

And this just in:

INTERNET GORDON FREEMAN says:
Quote me on this: Hey, Squeeky, I'm not "netarun". I still think you're a gigantic dick, though.
INTERNET GORDON FREEMAN says:
I don't know who he is, but I'm not him

[Squeeky]

Quote me on this: Hey, Squeeky, I'm not "netarun". I still think you're a gigantic dick, though.


http://www.nojohnkerry.org/imagemedia/crybaby.jpg

[Hezzy]

Way to go.

[Squeeky]

Want a tissue? Your "mate" is a fucking douchebag, and got banned. Deal with it, or leave. Hopefully you'll choose the latter.

[Mag]

LOL GEORGE BUSH

dot.

[Angel_of_Death]

So how many people is it that have been accused of being Dharkbayne now...

[Infernus]

I have something to tell you all...


I AM DHARKBAYNE

OMG BAN ME NOW! BAN ME BAN ME BAN ME!

ITS OBVIOUS I'M DHARKBAYNE! SO BAN ME!

PLEASE?! OR DOES THAT THREE STRIKE SYSTEM NOT EXIST ANYMORE!?

[Hezzy]

So how many people is it that have been accused of being Dharkbayne now...

I BET YOU'RE ONE OF DHARKBAYNE'S SECRET ACCOUNTS

****** derailing aside.

I am still awaiting a serious answer, to this very serious thread.

[MrPaul]

Yay! Crapfest '04. << directed at the "someone caused trouble or got banned; must be Dhark"

Seriously, what's happened over the last few days/ weeks? It seems to have started when Dhark got banned, but cooled down, and now it's back. It also heated up 'round here after the U.S elections...

Can't we all just have a bit old orgy and be friends?

[Squeeky]

Am I the only one that agree's with this tards banning, aside from Jenny and Hamma of course. Gah, you guys are fucking nuts.

[Infernus]

******** Is Law And What Not!

I Am Dharkbayne!


Gah!



Pizza

Pencil

Cocaine

Llama

Elephant

Gazzoo

Gondola

Condom

Intensive Care Unit

[Mag]

http://widget.ecn.purdue.edu/~mlynarik/Mediterranean/Barcelona/AFLAC.jpg

[Infernus]

Aflack! !11!11!

[Corrosion]

Am I the only one that agree's with this tards banning, aside from Jenny and Hamma of course. Gah, you guys are fucking nuts.
Hump that leg Squeeky!

[Mag]

http://registration.winsweepstakes.net/images/basic/ghosts/anim.gif

[MrPaul]

Am I the only one that agree's with this tards banning, aside from Jenny and Hamma of course. Gah, you guys are fucking nuts.
To be honest, yes. You're one of a very small amount of people who at the moment thinks he was worth banning.

He tried to contribute to PSU, by providing links to several places where you can make a donation. He used some swear words, but then again, who here hasn't sworn on these boards? After being provoked a bit, he got shouty and turned on caps lock. He's quick to anger, apparently. Everyone has their faults...

In other instances I'd seen of him on PSU, he was a smart guy, contributing well, telling people when they were being asses, when they were being asses, and actual smart talk.

Other people in my opinion deserve a bit of a slap around with the ban stick a lot more. I won't add names, but netarun didn't seem to like him either (no, not you squeeky, but to me, you do seem a bit obnoxious at the moment.)

[Setari]

No! I Am Dharkbayne!

[Squeeky]

Hump that leg Squeeky!

How could I possibly kiss Hamma or Jennyboo's asses? They're personal friends. Personal. Not online. Personal.

I'll let that sink in....

[Infernus]

No! I Am Dharkbayne!

[Mag]

No! I am Dharkbayne!

[MrPaul]

I'm Dharkbayne and so's my wife!

[Infernus]

To be honest, yes. You're one of a very small amount of people who at the moment thinks he was worth banning.

He tried to contribute to PSU, by providing links to several places where you can make a donation. He used some swear words, but then again, who here hasn't sworn on these boards? After being provoked a bit, he got shouty and turned on caps lock. He's quick to anger, apparently. Everyone has their faults...

In other instances I'd seen of him on PSU, he was a smart guy, contributing well, telling people when they were being asses, when they were being asses, and actual smart talk.

Other people in my opinion deserve a bit of a slap around with the ban stick a lot more. I won't add names, but netarun didn't seem to like him either (no, not you squeeky, but to me, you do seem a bit obnoxious at the moment.)

I've always liked you

[MrVicchio]

My 2 Cents, if you think someone is Dhark, then take it to the mods.

Taking action on your own, and from this case it looks like the guy was NOT dhark, makes PSU look like an elitist board where certain people are given the right to mis-treat and abuse people.

The fact that this guy lost his temper is a fault on HIM, that he was attacked and provoked because someone "thought" he was dhark is dispicable. I am really unimpressed by this.

[Infernus]

I am SOOOOOO Dharkbayne!

Taking action on your own, and from this case it looks like the guy was NOT dhark, makes PSU look like an elitist board where certain people are given the right to mis-treat and abuse people.

you obviously haven't gotten the memo.

[DaShiznit]

You're all wrong MY DOG IS DHARKBAYNE!

Oh, and N B4 DA LOCK!

[Hezzy]

You're all wrong MY DOG IS DHARKBAYNE!

Oh, and N B4 DA LOCK!

This thead better not be locked. It'd be ironic if it were.

[Pilgrim]

Y'know, I wasn't a fan of Netaruns first topic because I feel that Satire is inappropriate in as serious a topic as trying to get donations for some people who just got Mother Nature Fucked Something Severe.

But what Sqeeky did in his second thread was unnecesary, and lame.

Sorry Squeeks, but you sir are an Ass

[AztecWarrior]

In before the lock.

How about instead of running around like headless chickens, blaming people for being Dhark, making fun of those blaming people for beind Dhark, pretending to be Dhark, or inciting further speculation, HOW ABOUT WE WAIT FOR A MODERATOR to explain it all.

'kay?

[Infernus]

BUT I AM DHARKBAYNE!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! I SERIOUSLY AM DHARKBAYNE!

Grakthor is right next to me... shouting curses and calling people on the street *******

[Hezzy]

In before the lock.

How about instead of running around like headless chickens, blaming people for being Dhark, making fun of those blaming people for beind Dhark, pretending to be Dhark, or inciting further speculation, HOW ABOUT WE WAIT FOR A MODERATOR to explain it all.

'kay?

We are. Hamma is aware of this situation. We're waiting for him to comment on it.

[AztecWarrior]

We are. Hamma is aware of this situation. We're waiting for him to comment on it.
Well, let's let it all slide down instead of mass attacking Squeeky/Squeeky mass attacking everyone.

[Hezzy]

There was no attack on my half. He stated something, I questioned it. He answered my question, and I proved him wrong. It was his choice to tell me to "Get a tissue" and stop crying about my friend being banned. I'm not crying because he was banned. I'm asking politely why he was.

[Squeeky]

You guys suck.

If I made a thread in size 7 red bold font screaming "OH MY GOD YOU GUS ARE FUCKZ PIUF U DONT WNANNA DONTTE DNE DONT POST INMAH THREAD", you'd troll it.

[Sabinius]

rotlfcopters

[Doop]

BUT I AM DHARKBAYNE!

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! I SERIOUSLY AM DHARKBAYNE!

Grakthor is right next to me... shouting curses and calling people on the street *******

Grathkor said I suck once :(

[Giovanni]

You know Squeeky, I would of thought you would of learned by now to shut your mouth when you still can! Remember what happened last time? Yeah you got banned. I have no grudge against you and in no way will I start harrassing you because of what you did, but your actions were immature and you're trying once again to blame it on someone else.

Ok, so the guy didnt have alot of tact but if you had stopped for a moment and took his comments with a grain of salt maybe just MAYBE we wouldnt be having this discussion. You attacked him with the subtility of a hammer to the face, called him out on the fact that he broke the rules and yet you personnaly jumped him multiple times to get a rise out of him as you do to alot of other people.

I'm sorry, but what's going to be your excuse this time? Another girl broke off with you and you got depressive and mean? Are you going to catch your mother or granny masturbating to come back?

Seriously, shut up Squeeky before your too deep to dig back out of your own grave. This is the type of behavior you promised to never have when you came back from your ban and yet here we are again.

[AztecWarrior]

In again before the lock.

[Biohazzard56]

Hamma is going to piss on yall like R. Kelly.

[AztecWarrior]

Hamma is going to piss on yall like R. Kelly.
HEADS WILL ROLL.

INTERNET. SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[Wraithlord]

Just looking back through all net's posts, he's an insecure, antisocial, piece of dog shit who craves attention, and when he doesnt get it, launches personal attacks on the people refusing to give it to him. He deserved what he got, make it perm, I cant believe people that stupid actually exist.

[OfaLoaf]

I really don't think just because a person may be Dhark means that they deserve a ban. Judge the person on how he/she acts now, not several accounts and weeks/months ago.

Also, I just thought of a really silly scene:

VILLAGER #1: We have found Dharkbayne. May we flame him?
CROWD: Flame him! Flame Him! Flame him!
BEDEVERE: How do you know he is Dharkbayne?
VILLAGER #2: He told me so!
CROWD: Right! Yeah! Yeah!
BEDEVERE: Bring him forward.
DHARK: I'm not Dharkbayne. I'm not Dharkbayne!
BEDEVERE: Uh, but you said you were.
DHARK: They made a fake account to say that!
CROWD: Augh, we didn't! We didn't...
DHARK: And this isn't a false account. It's my only one.
BEDEVERE: Well?
VILLAGER #1: Well, we did do the account.
BEDEVERE: The account?
VILLAGER #1: And the other fake stuff, but he is Dharkbayne!



{The scene continues off topic and off the forums}

[Squeeky]

You know Squeeky, I would of thought you would of learned by now to shut your mouth

Havent you learned by now, that I never learn.

you're trying once again to blame it on someone else.

I take full responsibility for my actions. My actions were heinous, how dare I have the audacity to post multiple pictures of a chinchilla named Chester. My actions are dwarfed in the shadow of any type of war crimes. May god have NO MERCY on my wretched soul.

if you had stopped for a moment and took his comments with a grain of salt maybe just MAYBE we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Sorry mom :(.

You attacked him with the subtility of a hammer to the face

Would you have preferred subtle, veiled, jabs to the tookus?

called him out on the fact that he broke the rules and yet you personnaly jumped him multiple times to get a rise out of him as you do to alot of other people.

It's what I do best. I really shouldn't though, poking fun at people on the internet is a wicked thing to do.

I'm sorry, but what's going to be your excuse this time? Another girl broke off with you and you got depressive and mean?

Nah, I dont deal with relationships. Chloroform and a quickie in my buddies truck and i'm good.

Are you going to catch your mother or granny masturbating to come back?

Come back from what? I dont need to make a comeback. I havent been banned. But I like your masturbation idea's....PM me and i'll cut you a good deal on the negatives I shot of my grandmother splitting the kitten last week

Seriously, shut up Squeeky

Dont flame me :(. Remember? That's bad! NO! *hits Giovanni with rolled up newspaper*

Anyone else wanna step up to the plate? :)

[MrVicchio]

Your actions were uncalled for, your methods over the top, and by the looks of it, your excuse it was dhark was flawed.

[Squeeky]

Your actions were uncalled for, your methods over the top, and by the looks of it, your excuse it was dhark was flawed.

It wasnt an excuse, and dhark wasnt the scapegoat. I think my actions, while slightly controversial, were blown WAY out of proportion. I honestly thought it was dhark, I refuse to believe anything he tells me :lol: *pulls foot from mouth*

I understand people are upset with me, and that's fine. It's a position i'm familiar with, but honestly, not fond of.

Anyways, you kids have fun bashing me to your hearts content. It's blatently obvious we'll never see eye to eye on the issue (or lack thereof). And with that, I wash my hands clean of this rubbish and wish you all the best of luck in doing the same; after you bash me of course ;).

[ObnoxiousFrog]

http://www.hedweb.com/animimag/rockwallaby.jpg

Ringo the rock wallaby says "let's freebase dudes!"

[Squeeky]

http://images.google.com/images?q=freebasing+chinchilla&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search

Blasphemy!

[MrVicchio]

It was the fact you believe that if YOU think someone is dhark, you have some right to act the way you did. THAT'S what has me all pissy. Your not a mod, it's not your place, you made PSU look bad.

I don't think there should be a "next time" you think someone is dhark.

[Squeeky]

I simply stated it was dhark. Dont always believe what you hear. Hell, I should be taking my own advice here.

[Doop]

http://www.hedweb.com/animimag/rockwallaby.jpg

Ringo the rock wallaby says "let's freebase dudes!"

http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/GIFS/rocko.jpg

[I Hate Pants]

Netarun's first few posts rubbed me the wrong way.

He was here for less than a week and was already acting pretty over confident. He seemed kinda ignorant.

[Indecisive]

This thread is comedy gold.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

http://daily.greencine.com/archives/christopher-walken.jpg

Charles the Christopher Walken says "Oh my GOD what is that man doing to his anus?!"

[Kam]

So is a dev going to answer the question, or what?

[MrPaul]

So is a dev going to answer the question, or what?
Unlikely, spork and co never look here ;)
Mod? maybe.

[Fragmatic]

So is a dev going to answer the question, or what?

Erm... why a dev? :huh:

[Jennyboo]

Ok listen up, I was one of the few mods on yesterday when I saw his post. I personally was offend by his title. I also had feels others might so i did what i thought was best i changed "fucks" to "people". Thats was fine i went on my way whoring, then later on i checked the thread again it was none stop arguing and bitching everyone at everyone. So i closed the post Im tired of seeing threads turning to shit so i did what was best(with the dirction of hamma of course). Then once again he starts his post yelling and bitching at this point I'm thinking what the hell is he problem then i see him attacking other peoples threads. At this point Hamma was home so I discussed it and we both decided a ban was in order for him to cool down. Now I'd like to say I'v been very disapointed with the amount of complaining people have been pushing towards Hamma and his skill to run this site. He has put alot of time, money and effort into this site. I believe has done a great job maintaining it. The contant complaining is making it harder for him to enjoy the site he has worked so hard to get to this point. Anyways just a little something from my heart

btw: It's not the communtiy final call when it comes to who gets banned it's the job of the Admin and Mods. Everything is done for a reason. I made the call yesterday.

[Ridetehlightnin]

Now that this thread has been answered, i can post some random pictures because it doesnt matter =] http://members.aol.com/suprdave/classiccmp/random.gif http://www.wiskit.com/users/herbw/herb.jpg http://enews.tufts.edu/stories/images2001/freisnewbig1.JPG OMG THAT LOOKS DELICIOUS!

[MrPaul]

http://www.wiskit.com/users/herbw/herb.jpg OMG THAT LOOKS DELICIOUS!



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Merh.

[Hamma]

Jenny said pretty much what I would have said. The guy was being an asshat and some people called him on it. I thought it was the best course of action to get rid of him from what I had seen. Why this guy is any different than anyone else who has been banned in the past is escaping me however. Either way I am starting to grow tired of the constant drama this forum has been bringing and I don't have the time nor the energy to screw around with kiddies anymore.

[Ridetehlightnin]

LOLOLOLOLOL Mr Paul! not that guy, the McDonalds Fries. PMSL cant stop laffin .

[Hezzy]

What happened to the 3 warning strike rule? It went pretty much out the window when you banned him without warning.

You are right Jenny. It is not the community who decides who's banned or not. We do however, have a right to know why one of the most important rules was broken by you. You should have warned him first, before banning him. As far as I am aware, he was not warned before he was banned. I'll check with him on that though.

[Infernus]

We utilize a 3 strike rule at PSU, if you violate the rules more than 3 times you will be removed permanently.


I think this was the main issue everyone that had a problem with it was getting at... and the fact that it was a thread made to ask for help for people that got hit by the effects of the largest earthquake in 40 years on christmas day...

[Hamma]

Some people dont deserve warnings. It doesent matter anyway, all this will be gone in a few months. I am tired of dealing with all this drama all the time, its time for a vacation.

Again if you don't like the style of moderating you know where the door is. We let back on mods and people bitch there isnt enough mods, we mod and people bitch there is to much. Maybe someone else wants to see what it is like to be in the admin's shoes. You think its easy to get bitched at every time some asshat comes in here and makes a bunch of idiotic posts and gets what is coming to him?

[Hezzy]

So be it.

[Baneblade]

The only thing Im wondering about is why Squeeky says he is above the law.

[Hamma]

He is not above the law that fact should be obvious, the guy was an asshat and Squeeky called him on it. I just dont understand why this guy is any different than the rest who have gone the way of the buffalo without any warnings because.. they deserved it.

[Giovanni]

Still doesnt change the fact that Squeeky could have acted in a less trolling way. If he wasnt your pet he would already be gone but since he's been back (and I've been don't give me any shit about not being there) he's been doing all the shit he swore never to do again... seriously Hamma take the fucking blindfold off alot of people should have been long gone but for some odd reason they're still here...

I very much doubt that what I said will have any effect on anything but my path down this community (or out) but I made it none the less because alot of people are tired of Squeeky's shit and with reason. I won't act like a two face and plead for his forgiveness if he ever goes out the window, I won't harrass him on other thread like he has done to so many people. One thing won't change and it's my opinion that this community would be better off without his antics and I'm sure alot of people think the same way but they're too afraid to speak out because it might end up banning them.

That's about it... do as you wish.

[Corrosion]

The only thing Im wondering about is why Squeeky says he is above the law.
Because apparently he's personal friends with the mods. And apparently he is immune to all bans, reprimands or warnings.

[Peacemaker]

Gonna have to throw in my 2 cents again.

Ok, the guy acted very irrationaly and was banned. He will be back in a few days and hopefully will be calm and go about giving the donation links in a normal manner. Hopefully everyone will forget it ever happend (I wont be holding my breath).

The Admins DID make the right decision. He deserved a ban. But the community is right about squeeky too. Wether or not the guy is an ass hat does not matter. He still should not be flamed to all hell. Just because someone is a criminal does not mean we can beat the living shit out of him. It should be no diffrent on the forums.

The rules are that there is to be NO flaming on the forums. And NO trolling. No where in that list of rules does it say "If a person is a jackass you can break these rules." Lets face it. The guy would have not have continued screaming and yelling like a 12 year old school girl if people had acted normally and not flamed him. He wouldnt have had a reason to get fired up. And thusly would have gotten a warning for an inappropriate post instead of a ban because he was PROVOKED.

Like it or not, Hamma, but in my eyes and in the eyes of alot of the community the rules are getting bent. No one is blaming the mods or calling their actions bad. Not in this thread at least. Especialy hezzy. He went around this very rationaly and calm. He knew there was a reason that his friend was banned. He just wanted to know what that reason was. Also he probably was trying to bring to light something he was under the impression that you, the mods, did not understand. He was provoked into a screaming match.

... Thats more like $5.

EDIT: I was just informed that its not a temp 3 day ban like normal but a perma. I was under the impression that it was temp for cool down time At this point Hamma was home so I discussed it and we both decided a ban was in order for him to cool down. I think that a perma is a tad bit harsh. The guy should atleast get a chance to come back and enter the community normaly.

[xmodum]

One thing won't change and it's my opinion that this community would be better off without his antics and I'm sure alot of people think the same way but they're too afraid to speak out because it might end up banning them.

I tried to stay out of this drama we are having, but this I have to agree on. I do think Squeeky has gotten away with shit for too long, along with alot of other people. Although I spend 90% of my internet time whoring these forums, I could'nt care less if I got banned.

So yea, please re-think the Squeeky situation mods. Too many threads went to shit on his account.

[Sabinius]

Man, why is everyone leaving PSU? so far we've lost TB and others are already thinking it over. It would be devastating if squeeky left, because he actually makes PSU fun and interesting. In fact, I wouldnt be here if it werent for the three ban rule, and I know how terribly sad everyone would be if I were'ent here. So give squeeky's obnoxiousness some time. Let hamma buttsechs him up some and show him whos boss. We need to keep psu together!

PSU WILL PREVAIL FROM THESE.. FLAMINGS

and what does hamma mean when all of this will be gone in a few months?

[xmodum]

Some people dont deserve warnings. It doesent matter anyway, all this will be gone in a few months. I am tired of dealing with all this drama all the time, its time for a vacation.
.

[Infernus]

Man, why is everyone leaving PSU? so far we've lost TB and others are already thinking it over. It would be devastating if squeeky left, because he actually makes PSU fun and interesting. In fact, I wouldnt be here if it werent for the three ban rule, and I know how terribly sad everyone would be if I were'ent here. So give squeeky's obnoxiousness some time. Let hamma buttsechs him up some and show him whos boss. We need to keep psu together!

PSU WILL PREVAIL FROM THESE.. FLAMINGS

and what does hamma mean when all of this will be gone in a few months?


Its had, what, almost three years now?

[Hamma]

It means once the donation money runs out the site will be closing, I think that PSU has had a good run and it's finally time to throw in the towel. I can't deal with this crap anymore, I don't have the time or the will as I used to.

[MrPaul]

Man, why is everyone leaving PSU? so far we've lost TB and others are already thinking it over. It would be devastating if squeeky left, because he actually makes PSU fun and interesting. In fact, I wouldnt be here if it werent for the three ban rule, and I know how terribly sad everyone would be if I were'ent here. So give squeeky's obnoxiousness some time. Let hamma buttsechs him up some and show him whos boss. We need to keep psu together!

To be frank, Squeeky has had way more than the 3 chances. He was banned, remember? But then he returned, and stayed, under the conditions that if he ever broke the rules again he'd be perma'd. Well... we all know how that went.

[Giovanni]

:rolleyes: God forbid you should take the people who make the drama out! Uh? We wouldnt be in this ordeal if it wasnt for the people like Squeeky, Doop, Ob frog and many more(sorry I still love you! Ob!).

You want to stop this shit from happening? Then grow some balls, quit getting pussy whipped and do something about it instead of giving up. It would be a shame to see this community go after almost three years.

Were you to ban the trouble makers you'd take some flak for a short while but then I'm sure that old school members like Dio, Nav, Mist, Saint and many more would come back to be frequent posters because these trouble makers are the very reason most of them left.

Quit acting like a drama queen and do something about it.

(Sorry if I pissed you off but for fuck's sake!)

[Hamma]

I'm not chickening out, in fact I am insulted by that. I have poured thousands of hours and dollars into this site over the past few years do you think I honestly want to just throw in the towel? The fact is that I am tired of dealing with people who get pissed off no matter what I do. PlanetSide is on its way out probably and I dont even play much anymore. I once said that if PS ceased to exist PSU would do the same. PS isnt dead yet but by the looks of things on the forums and in our shoutcasts its getting there. I simply have no interest in continueing to pour my time into this site when I do not even play PS anymore.

Add to that the fact that it costs hundreds of dollars a month to run, I have to run a fundraiser every few months which requires allot of administration and number crunching. It's just getting old, thats all.

And none of those people are coming back no matter what I do, they have a new home now. In fact I could care less who comes back old school, those days are gone now.

[Nerzual]

:(

[Giovanni]

And none of those people are coming back no matter what I do, they have a new home now. In fact I could care less who comes back old school, those days are gone now.

Look Hamma, if I had joined earlier on I'm sure my post would have alot more meaning but fact is I'm sure of the contrary. Alot of them still consider you as a friend and would it not be for the kiddies and spammers and all the shit they cause most of them would still be here.

Just take care of the trouble makers and invite them back for some fun like in the old times, sure it will never be QUITE the same but it will be damn near and you just never know... it could all come back to how it was.

I have absolutely nothing against you Hamma and I don't want to offend of insult you in any way but I won't stand by idly and let this god damn place fall apart while no one does anything. If you don't want to deal with all these donation things etc. just go ahead and relinquish these responsabilities.

If Triggar can stand wasting hours upon hours for just a week-end with friends then I'm sure that someone like her (Hell maybe even her) would just love taking over for a while. You don't have to waste your every waking moments here, in no way should you bear the weight of this community on your own. Find a couple of co-admins to help you.

Just my two cents.

[BUGGER]

So one of PS's top ten websites will fall when it goes bankrupt or when it's the last one living. Confirm this for us all who cant understand what adults say.

[Doop]

:rolleyes: God forbid you should take the people who make the drama out! Uh? We wouldnt be in this ordeal if it wasnt for the people like Squeeky, Doop, Ob frog and many more(sorry I still love you! Ob!).

You want to stop this shit from happening? Then grow some balls, quit getting pussy whipped and do something about it instead of giving up. It would be a shame to see this community go after almost three years.

Were you to ban the trouble makers you'd take some flak for a short while but then I'm sure that old school members like Dio, Nav, Mist, Saint and many more would come back to be frequent posters because these trouble makers are the very reason most of them left.

Quit acting like a drama queen and do something about it.

(Sorry if I pissed you off but for fuck's sake!)

Good captain fuck, must you always try to bring me into drama? Every single time you get mad you always mention me and blame shit on people like me and Squeeky. My god, I haven't been as whiny as lately at least I thought, you don't have to be such an extreme ass.

Edit: after a LONG argument with you on IRC, my position has not changed. I don't know what you have against me, but you don't need to ALWAYS come and say omgwtf doop sucks PSU is better off without him hamma ban him wtf.

[AztecWarrior]

I have something to say, and I think it matters.

First off, Hamma, although a minority is pissed, everyone still comes. We all still enjoy the site, honor your commitment to it, and hope you keep it going.

That said, I wish to disclose a PM I recieved from someone who shall remain unnamed. You don't know him.

How do you survive here?

This place has degraded into such a hole of elitest bastards, wow. The only tolerable aspect is the fiction forum. How sad is that? Honestly, how is it you manage to post in such an enviroment?

-disguested

I responded.

=====================================
Agreed, FF is becoming solace.

This will be legnthy, so bear with me. First, my take on the netarun ban. To properly evaluate the situation, one must evaluate the threads.

A. Thread I- "Help, heartless fucks"

The use of satire was rather obvious in my opinion. However, the first few posts proved some people to actually be heartless fucks. Net gets a little ticked off. Jenny changes title. I found it ironic, but whatever, it is of no importance. Net gets a litle more ticked. I add my $25. And a lot of PSU did reply with compassion.

Rayder posts something satirical that net misses, and he explodes in size 7 fury. It's nothing really severe, and for a moment, everything commences normally.

Net turns up the heat a little when he enters a light argument with some Black Hawks on donation....when we get THEAD LOCK. Jenny did it. Her jusification is:

"Ok listen up, I was one of the few mods on yesterday when I saw his post. I personally was offend by his title. I also had feels others might so i did what i thought was best i changed "fucks" to "people". Thats was fine i went on my way whoring, then later on i checked the thread again it was none stop arguing and bitching everyone at everyone. So i closed the post Im tired of seeing threads turning to shit so i did what was best(with the dirction of hamma of course). " (sic).

This is the latest example of the new stance of the mods. Like it or not, it continues, with Hamma stating that basically if you desire change, the exit door is open.

In my opinion, I can no longer recommend loose or tight moderation. All I can say is that times change, and no 2 situations are different. However, in this specific case, they were wrong to lock the thread. If this blanket policy of no drama continues, PSU will be rather boring. People need to take a reasonable amount of bantering, that's what makes it fun to be here.

I am no stranger to drama. The spotlight's been on me in the past, but that amount of batnering was unreasonable. Locking a thread when there is discussion on-topic is, IMO, wrong, especially when de-railed threads abound.

B. The 2nd thread.

After getting a perfectly good thread locked, of course you'll be pissed. Net decided to do it in size 7 all-caps glory. This is what led most people to justify the coming bombardment. Because after all, we can't be angry, now, can we? Yes, he acted noobishly. No, I wouldn't have done that if I were him.

I feel that he set himself up for it all, but that doesn't mean the bombardment was right. Maybe he just...gasp...actually felt bad that people didn't care about 80,000 dead people.

So I guess we are heartless fucks after all.

Squeeky tells him to stop making threads, and he replies with this very un-noobish logic.

"what the hell did I do wrong. I made a thread about helping disaster victims, why in the hell is everyone so pissed. If you don't want to donate, just don't post, k?. don't *** up this thread, guys. Please." -netarun

This has been echoed throughout time here at PSU: if you don't want to contribute anything positive, don't post. Yet it's his fault, right?

Then the chinchilla campaign. I laughed at the replies, I will admit. But it was wrong. It was a relentless assault on a member just trying to help some people, led by Squeeky & Co.

I've been friends with the Squeek for a while. I do like him. However, he really stepped over the line. He deserves some form of minor/moderate reprimand. ObFrog...well, he'll never get banned because he's popular, but he also stepped over the line here.

This continues for several pages, with people calling for civility, notably Rob, Frag, and Hezzy, and more, including the late TotalBiscuit.

And it's locked again- though I can obviously see why. Good call.

C. What the mods should do.

I am no moderator.

I don't pretend to be one.

I am just stating what I would do if I was one. I may be totally wrong. Take this part at face value.

-The mod team is suffering from a lack of gumption. Triggar has personally told me "you don't know what it's like." Jenny and Hamma used the "We put all this effort into this" card. Maybe we need to find more moderators- if it's proving too much for a small staff, Hamma is going to have to find a larger one, or at least somehow be able to make up for it.

-Hamma usually takes the "punish both parties and end all discussion" approach. He departed from this "because the guy was an asshat." But what about Squeeky & Co.? They haven't said anything about them. I would at least explain why they aren't getting punished, but then again, if I was them, they'd be warned.

-Avoid the mass clamoring for loose/tight moderation. I used to be a tight-moderation supporter, and now loose. I feel that no policy covers all situations, though in this case, looseness, was virtually the way to go.

-Stop suppressing drama. Sure, problems that turn into huge wounds should be dealt with all due force. At the same time, incidents like the first thread shouldn't have been locked that quickly, especially when things were still going strong with the topic. The second one was correctly locked. Additionally, we need to speak about drama, not to get a high off of it, but to solve the problems. I'd like to see the team not supress all speech of this.

D. How do I post here?

I'm on the edge. Frankly, if things keep going downhill with all these trolls, no good people left, and other issues, I'm out. However, I will stay here as long as it is fun and entertaining for me. As of now, it still is.

And may it always be so.

[OfaLoaf]

Whoa.



Aztec has spoken the some of the wisest stuff here.

[AztecWarrior]

Whoa.



Aztec has spoken the some of the wisest stuff here.
*Japanese bow*

[Doop]

Indeed, Aztec.

This is what I want. I want EVERYONE to forget ANY conflict with ANYONE at EVERYWHERE, and I hope Hamma deletes the database and starts over if that'll help. I want a clean slate with everyone so we can forget about the past and start over. You too, Giovanni, I don't like hating you and I'd like to get a better fresh start.

[Kyonye]

It means once the donation money runs out the site will be closing, I think that PSU has had a good run and it's finally time to throw in the towel. I can't deal with this crap anymore, I don't have the time or the will as I used to.


damnit, what am i gonna do with myself now? masturbation i guess :love:

for the topic...um, ok i really don't have anything else to say. maybe you can still keep up an IRC channel atleast!

[Kam]

I think this has been a long time coming, there has just been too much hostility lately. However, I have one observation for you. Planetside got new leadership a few months ago, maybe it's time PSU did too.

[AztecWarrior]

Kam, not likely.

[Squeeky]

Here's the deal guys.

1st. I have never stated i'm "above the law". If you're going to make accusations, back it up.

2nd. When some idiot comes onto the forum, and does something stupid, they get called on it. This has always happened. When someone makes a stupid "I'm new here thread" which contains garbled english and a string of smilies, we give them shit. When someone continues making dupe accounts just to post every single reply with a picture, we give them shit. Hell, a couple people cussed him out and had some pretty nice zingers. But here's why this example is a problem.

1. It's me that flamed this idiot
2. It was in a thread about donations.

Now, some of you think i'm against the idea of donating to indonesia. And most of you argued the thread hijack was to be a douche. WRONG. The guy re-made a locked thread, using size 6 text, and only a fucking imbicile would do that. So I called him on it. Now, here's where it gets tricky. I've made an effort not to flame, even when it comes to idiots like this piece of work who cant get their message out without making it so a blind man could read it, so I chose a different approach.

Chinchillas.

That's right, I spammed his stupid obnoxious thread with chinchillas. Chinchillas are furry, tiny, rabbit like creatures that dwell in magical forests. And I posted a chinchilla named chester, with some very weak flames.

Now, apparently this is a problem. If ObFrog did it, everyone would be "OMG ROFL". But since I did it, you guys like to jump on me. I'm flattered that you take even chester chinchillas flaming to a level blown so out of proportion it makes me gigglefart, but let's be realistic. You guys are causing way too much fuss, about some OF Forum reject. Hezzy's 'mate' or not, the guy was a dumbass and the mod team has ruled so.

With that, i'd like to say a few things.

This isnt a democracy. This is a dictatorship. Hamma being the dictator. If you dont like the dictatorship, there are millions of other forums you can go to. You can even file for political assylumship at {BOHICA}, they'll take anyone. Hell, they even took me once.

In closing, i'd like to thank everyone for blowing my chinchilla tactics out of proportion, and giving everyone on the forum a humungous headache.

[Kam]

Kam, not likely.

Hamma himself said he was tired of it, so it is a possibility.

[ObnoxiousFrog]

Being the antithesis is underrated.

[Strygun]

This isnt a democracy. This is a dictatorship. Hamma being the dictator. If you dont like the dictatorship, there are millions of other forums you can go to.

I'm sure I speak for hamma when I say: Hamma isn't a dictator around here. He tries so hard (and you guys have no idea, heck, I don't know much about how hard it is) to be the hidden admin... letting things happen and not trying to censor people, not trying to be "the main man." I personally (and I'm sure hamma will be when he reads that) am offended that you would accuse him of being a dictator. Dictators are not good people. Back off.

And, lastly - about the chinchilla thing. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. A "weak flame" is still a flame.

[Everay]

I simply stated it was dhark. Dont always believe what you hear. Hell, I should be taking my own advice here.

fuck you, im skipping PSUMB, you made psu what it is these days. you got someone banned because you thought he was bayne, and then, when you find out he isnt, you say, that shit, sir, fuck you, and i never found out why you were unbanned in the first place. flame me back all you want, but im done with it.


PS, i am dharkbayne MUGHAHAHAHGHAHAHGHAGHAGHAHUHAGUHA

[Doop]

fuck you, im skipping PSUMB, you made psu what it is these days. you got someone banned because you thought he was bayne, and then, when you find out he isnt, you say, that shit, sir, fuck you, and i never found out why you were unbanned in the first place. flame me back all you want, but im done with it.


PS, i am dharkbayne MUGHAHAHAHGHAHAHGHAGHAGHAHUHAGUHA

Fuck I forgot about that, if PSU goes down what about PSUMB? trig already invested a lot in it.

[AztecWarrior]

Well, someone's either going to have it continue or to write it off as a loss.

Again, it is my sincere hope that this community goes on, even if not about PlanetSide.

[BUGGER]

Again, it is my sincere hope that this community goes on, even if not about PlanetSide.
Most of this community is not even with Planetside.

One flame can start a fire, its all you need.

For those that aztec mentioned and many more, if you granted with a more nazi like admin, one that doesn't let topics go off, you'd all be gone and this internet would be very....small. I know its past thanksgiving, but be thankful your admin is for who he is, dont push the limit for him either.


Anyone got a new years resolution? :rolleyes:

[Ridetehlightnin]

This is going out of hand. What started as some guy posting summit and getting banned and some other guy asking why he got banned ahs turned into a big piece of not goodness! The lord will take us from salvation http://www.celebritydetective.com/jerry-springer.jpg

If anyone objects to this post thinking it's about random pictures bla bla bla, I was once told that once a thread has been answered, it's OK, and I remember Jennyboo or summit answering the question of why the guy got banned!

[MattxMosh]

I told myself not to get involved with this, but I have to now. The thoughts of some are insane, and based in some fantasy world.

This is Hamma's property. He owns it. He decides what goes and what doesn't. He has done a great job with all that he has on his plate. He is not overly harsh on anything.

Now, I personally have no problems with Dhark. He can be a funny kid. But you know what? HE WAS BANNED. So, he got banned again. Not a big deal. Thats the rules, and it was taken care of, who cares who anyone thought it was, or what was said, that has nothing to do with anything at all.

At times this can be the best community on the internet, and it is a shame that things like this happen but they do.

Most of you are kids. Most of us can act like kids, and I am NOT excluding myself at all. You may be mature, or think you are mature, but what it boils down to, most have a lot to learn about how things work. The internet is not a demorcracy. You have to pay to access it, you have to join websites to have access to posting. It is a service, and you agree to following the rules of a particular forum when you join it. If you don't like the rules, or break the rules, you are banned or you leave.

IT IS NOT THAT COMPLEX.

Now I'd say 99.9% of you have no idea how to run a web community. It is not easy at all. You suggest more moderation, less moderation, blah blah blah.

I'm not sure who said it, and this is NOT a personal attack. Making this site, like SA which past its prime years ago, and has a horrible forum system, is a very bad idea. Hence why I left like 3 years ago. Public ban lists cause massive trouble. Reasons, even worse. It is none of your business why a particular person was banned. There is no reason why it should be.

I used to help run one of the largest hardcore music related forums. We had a public ban list. Now it being mostly people in the same area, this led to a lot of trouble, that spilled out of the internet. It caused physical and mental harm to many. It was my fault, and I feel bad for it. Hence why I know its a VERY bad idea.

This comes to the point that a lot o us know and have met people from PSU. The same could easily happen.

What good would that bring?

None.

In short, you are being overly critical of the people who try thier hardest and put thier own time and money into making you happy.

And thats just plain disrespectful.

Now grow up and move on. If you don't like it leave. It will save bandwidth bills. And drama headaches.

I know I want this site to still be here, even if I have to pay to keep it alive, for the few of us who enjoy it, and have no complaints about it managment.

Sorry if that makes me sound liek an elitist prick, but that not how I mean it.

[Onizuka]

PSU may close, friendships won't.

[Corrosion]

OSNAP! It's Oni!

[Kam]

Well, whatever happens, it won't matter when PS dies in around six months.