Deep Thought... Oblivion

[MrVicchio]

Since Ema Did that Religion post, I felt this one bubbling. read on and only answer if you are gonna be serious.


What happens when we die? There are really only two options, and I will cover them all here.

The Atheist View:

When you die, thats it, you cease to exsist as a concious entity. There is no afterlife, no spirit, just a corpse that quit working. This is a rather, harsh line of thought that if you really think about it, is almost inconceivable.

Think for a moment, that the Universe according to our scientist is about 13.7 Billion years old. Try to imagine that sort of scale... too big? Okay, think back 5 years.. how about 10? No think back 25 years... oh wait.. losing some of you to non-exsistance. You weren't around.. Try to imagine 100 years... No multiyplay that to hit 13.7 billion. Right on. Staggering yes?

Now think about dying, right now. Your concious self being ceases to exists when that last synapse quits firing.. you are, no more. Not blackness... for that would denote something, not peaceful rest, for agian that is something. But rather imagine .... nothing. The rational mind balks at the thought of non-exsistance does it not? We, as self concious beings cannot, really cope with that. With Oblivian

I think that those that are truly atheist look at those of us that believe as chicken, afriad, craven... For hiding behind myth and folklore to hide the truth, that there is nothing beyond death.

For a long time, I struggled with that... for it makes sense... what purpose does a heaven serve? Why an afterlife... why has there been no contact, verifiable contact with God in 2000years? But then I realized something in my search of pure truth... and that is proof is all around us.

Again, I go back to the Universe. Where did it come from? For someone to be able say there is no God, no afterlife, death is the end... Where then did everything come from?

Wait, before you answer, think now, to why there is no God, why there is nothing beyond death.... cause by rational, logical observation, death is the end of us. Okay, back on track here.. now tell me rationally, why anything should exsist....

Ahh... harder isn't it? Really, logic would dictate that NOTHING should be, for from nothing, you cannot get something.. but yet here it is. Look at the trees, the stars.. yourself... the chair you are sitting in... think about that.. NOTHING should be here. Let alone intelligence... or life for that matter. Yet here we are.


That ANYTHING exsist is proof that there is a God. For if you base everything on science, and logic and the like.. then by that rationale.. nothing should be here.

"When, after eliminating all other options, the most aburd one remains, then that is the correct option." A poor paraphrase but good enough.

Prove me wrong.

[Unregistered]

The Satanist view of the afterlife is that there is no heaven, and there is no hell. Once you die you cease to be. The only way that you 'Live Eternaly' is in the minds of others, and that your never truely gone until your forgoten.

There seems to be a lot logic in that statement. Not that I would push Satanic Philophy on anyone, but all the rhetoric and silly stuff aside the basic philophy of Satanism is not that bad.

You get one life here on earth. Make the most of it. Eat, Drink, and be Merry. Leave a lasting impression so that you may live on forever in the memories of others.

[Lexington_Steele]

A pertenant question here is: What makes you you?

Will that which makes you you cease to exist upon death? If I am no longer me, after death, does it really matter what follows?

For all intents and purposes that would be oblivion, for who I am now, regardless of whether or not there is a god. What good is an afterlife if you, as you are now, don't get to experience it.

[AcidNick]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
...This is a rather, harsh line of thought that if you really think about it, is almost inconceivable...

is it so inconceivable?

have you ever day-dreamed? mind just goes blank, you dont even notice, you just sit and stare? i think from an atheist POV, you would just sit there, dead, not thinking.

i dunno

[PR24]

When I first looked at the title I thought it said Deep Throut

:lol:

[Nohimn]

I am able to cope with nothingness of death by thinking that without death, how can we truly appreciate life?

[ABRAXAAS]

I post here with much trepedation (Ithink i spelt that wrong ) anyways You could say Im a athiest, I in no way beleive in religion or god or any thing like that, but I alos dont fall into your clasification of a athiest. growing up My mother was a phsycic and still is sorry not phsycic a claravoiant (i think i spelt that worng to )
and I gaurantee that shit is real and she like me doesnt believe in god or anything like that either, but yet I beleive in ghosts I have seen and talked to them so I deffinatley beleive in that. Our energy basically exists in to dimensions at teh same time here in the material world and also in the energy world (spiritual if you will) when we die we split up into our 2 componets (material and energy) the energy goes back the energy side and the material stays here, at times if the energy is strong enough due to some kind of unfinished buisness it can get trapped in the physical world IE: ghosts . Now the energy side of things is where it gets confusing, I have yet to some to a firm decision on what I beleive there I know what I dont believe but I dont know what i do beleive :D mY mother explained it to me like this. You start in the energy world before your born and choose your path in life ,who what where etc . and then you merge into teh physical world to be born ,as you go through your life, your on a slightly predetermaned course (the part I dont like ) and when you get dejavue its your que to let you knwo your on the right path,so you continue your life accomplishing all you set out to do ,untill you die and you start the process again untill you have learned everything you can etc . so although I dont know what i feel on this topic I know I dont beleive in god or heaven or anything like that but i do believe there is more than what we see . :D

[ABRAXAAS]

sorry for all the spelling mistakes i typed it between calls :D

[mistled]

abraxaas, I actually understood every bit of that. Don't agree with most of it, but I did follow it, spelling mistakes and all. :)

[Sputty]

I like how Mr. V put it. Can you remeber wht it was like before you were born? Exactly...nothingness...IMO that's what happens...Hard to think fo "nothingness" because there's...errmmm...nothing...

[ABRAXAAS]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
abraxaas, I actually understood every bit of that. Don't agree with most of it, but I did follow it, spelling mistakes and all. :)

Like I stated im not sure what i beleive either, I just know what i dont believe :D but basically its all pretty inconsequential. becasue no matter what we die ,wether anything comes after that, you'll find out soon enough life is short people need to stop worrying about what comes after death and start concentraiting on what they have now :D

[Bighoss]

Mr. V the thought of nothing in inconceivable by the human mind just like infinity. How do we know what the universe is though? If a cell for example is like a universe for a molecule. something that lives is a Universe for a Cell. The universe is a universe for a human. So how do we know that something doesn't come next? How do we know that our whole Universe isn't a simple molecule in some other place which is a molecule for another this cycle could go on forever. The thought where all this come from in inconceivable once again to use and we are so primitive and narrow minded that a creator is the only thing that comes to mind that we can truly understand.

The idea of time and our so called "universe" could have always existed? who says it needed to start? maybe it just is like a line. For ever there was no beginning nor will their be an end.

let me put it this way cuz I could talk about this for 10 full pages of a post.

we are stupid and insignificant we don't know anything we are so basic we cannot understand anything of signicance. Our idea of a god is understandable to us because we can understand creation. We are so limited to our senses and thinking BUT THEY ARE SO BASIC.

ARG I can't discuss this in a post I'd need hours to figure out how to explain this to you.

Mr. V good work though your on your way to enlightenment. I have thought about that question for so long and its so hard to understand what I'm trying to explain that I have a hard time explaining something that I think.

[Doobz]

you have no idea how many times ive thought of just about everything everybody has said in the thread....

eerie actually

[KeviN]

Okay, so where did god come from? If you say "He's always been there," wouldn't it be possible that a few little single-celled organisms have been living here forever on our good ol' rock? Who knows, maybe those little organisms are really god? Life had to evole from something, and I find it hard that some almighty spirit has just been sitting here for billions of years, suddenly getting the idea to create life. But, all-in-all, tell me where god came from, and I will be plenty happy.

[ABRAXAAS]

But more inportantly who is his god...:eek:

[KeviN]

Originally posted by ABRAXAAS
But more inportantly who is his god...:eek:

Another good point. :cool: We all know about "god" but who is he really? Where did he come from? Is good even a male?

[Sol]

Science may not have found an answer yet, and it may never. But I believe in reason and do not look to the supernatural to answer tough questions. I dont deny or accept the existence of a greater being. I think agnostic is the word for it?

[Sol]

Humans may not be capable of understanding the (scientific) answer.

[KeviN]

Yeah, I think that's what I'd have to say I am too.

[Bighoss]

I am god it is as simple as that. Do not doubt me or you will die... eventually... in at max 80 years... HAHA FEEL MY WRAITH I HAVE CURSED YOU ALL. YOU ALL ONLY HAVE 80 YEARS TOPS TO LIVE HAHAHAHAHAHA

[Sol]

Thanks Bighoss!

[Subliminal]

Imagine this for a second... And get ready for something mind blowing and probably just pothead fantasy or somethin but try for a sec.

1

Ok so what are we made of as humans? Inside us there are billion of tiny smaller living things and we are their earth, who is their god? What if we are microbes or molecules in some lifeform of another world? Impossible right? Prove it...

2

A great philosopher once said (and his name escapes me) I think therefor I am. It took him his entire life to come to this conclusion. So on a side note can you prove im talking to you? You cant. The only thing you can prove in this entire universe is your own exsistance. So please chose carefully what you believe in because right now if i told you IM not real i'd like you to prove otherwise.

[Subliminal]

p.s. If we ever prove god exsists through science I hope that vey second he blows up the whole damn earth because that totally kills everything we (IMO) are set on this earth to do. We are sent to experience everything possible in our time here. I dont mean like go everywhere on the earth i mean to fully flex our brains and think about inconceivable things. I think only those who have their own answer for everything and stick to it without changing pass on to some other life and all the morons of the world just have to do it over and over. Yes I do think that we were put here by someone. Call him whatever you want to.

[Nohimn]

I intern at a computer cafe, and the owner, who has too much free time on his hands, is almost done explaining the meaning of life:D

Proving it is a hassle that takes time and many people don't get it, but the meaning of life is simply create synergy and destroy etigy(not too sure how to spell it), synergy being the tendency towards order and etigy being the tendency towards disorder.

I am not going to explain it here or else I'm simply wasting time because many don't understand it altogether, but if you want, you can (and should) look it up.

[Bighoss]

Originally posted by Subliminal
p.s. If we ever prove god exsists through science I hope that vey second he blows up the whole damn earth because that totally kills everything we (IMO) are set on this earth to do. We are sent to experience everything possible in our time here. I dont mean like go everywhere on the earth i mean to fully flex our brains and think about inconceivable things. I think only those who have their own answer for everything and stick to it without changing pass on to some other life and all the morons of the world just have to do it over and over. Yes I do think that we were put here by someone. Call him whatever you want to.

I think if we could get to heaven we would conquer it. By the time were that advanced in science we should be capable of it.

[Arshune]

This'll probably seem somewhat "out there" to some people, but here's how I see it: you know how there's a lot of fiction out there about science reducing the meaning of death to nothing? Heck, even our beloved PlanetSide is jumping on that bandwagon, along with countless books, movies and the like.

Well, have you ever considered that such "fiction" might, and most likely will, become fact? I actually researched this for a school paper once. I looked up things like the current state of technology and the expected rate of technological growth, and the facts are startling. It's entirely possible that we may be the first generation to live forever. Granted, with the way things are right now, we'd be more like perpetual copies of an original, but if we can do that, where does it stop? I think a world in which existence never ends would be infinitely more terrifying than a world in which everything is finite. In economic terms, it's a classic example of the law of diminishing marginal utility. The more of something you get, the less it satisfies you. Death makes things precious, and regardless of how scary the concept of simply not being anything anymore is, it's a necessary thing to give our lives meaning.

Besides, some theologies (Buddhists) look to nothingness as an ultimate reward. Nirvana is described as a state of "blowing out." I think there's comfort in that.

As for whether there's an afterlife or not, there are many things science can't explain, but I'm one of those people who doesn't believe anything until it's proven. So until God talks to me personally, he can consider himself a figment of my imagination.

[Bighoss]

FUN

[Quicksand]

i think , death and life is like computers, o and 1's , you are on for awhile then yu turn off. and when the next person is born and he is on, it is kinda of u been on cause you are both experiancing the sense " I AM" feeling.its hard to put into words. but every living thing has the " I " from his point of view.point of view changes with every person but the feeling "I am "is allways the same and so even when u are dead u still exist through other eyes that are looking at the living world.

[TheWumpus]

The Universe was created 9 minutes ago. Your memories of what occurred before 9 minutes ago are entirely fabricated. Hitler was a woman. Seriously. I am my own imaginary friend.

[Denali]

"Cogito Ergo Sum" I think therefore I am. Renee Descartes.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Subliminal
A great philosopher once said (and his name escapes me) I think therefor I am. It took him his entire life to come to this conclusion. So on a side note can you prove im talking to you? You cant. The only thing you can prove in this entire universe is your own exsistance. So please chose carefully what you believe in because right now if i told you IM not real i'd like you to prove otherwise.

The "you can't prove anything" idea is good to meditate over and is very true, however you will find it to be very philosophically, and practically useless.

If you are trying to build a philosophy, you need a foundation. You need things that you believe in to build upon. If you are trying to have a discussion with someone you both need to agree that certain sets of ideas are correct.