This last patch is too much, time for action.

[Recondelta]

I feel as though the Planetside Development team has stolen from me.

Anyone who enjoyed using BFRs and paid for the expansion to use BFRs if you feel the same its time to spread the word.

This latest change to the Flight Variants is way overboard and I'm quite frankly tired of these devs using live servers to Beta test. We are paying monthly fees for content not to ride a rollercoaster of nerfs. I paid $29.95 just to use BFRs and they are now useless.

Rather than just cancel. I recommend those who agree with me start an anti-Planetside campaign on the various game sites. I dont take kindly to being abused by a company I've had over a five year relationship. I've given SOE a few thousand dollars over this time having multiple accounts on multiple SOE games. Planetside development team has outright stolen from anyone who purchased the expansion due to the overhyped BFRs.

Time for action.

[Doppler]

they Nerfed Mah Instakill! The Sky Is Falling

[Sabinius]

yeah really, there fine now
they used to be KILL-MACHINES
Your probably just used to PWNZ0RING everything in site
it'll wear off when you dont use overpowered crap

[Kam]

Really they have gone overbaord. You people that don't use BFRs may not think so, but they have lost all usefulness. I havent died to a BFR for over two weeks and seeing as I use agile with three jammers and a rocklet and I can kill them, this is bad. I am not going to go "anti-planetside", but come on people.

[EarlyDawn]

Honestly, Flight Varients have to go. They're taking the prime weakness of the BFRs and making it near impossible to exploit in 75% of situations.

[FatalLight]

Hell no im not goin anti-planetside, what I will do is go on the OF and complain like the bitches who got it nerfed

[internetn]

Anti-PlanetSide?!... Are flippin mad? Good god wtf have we been tryin to do these last few months with PS?! Not kill it, bring more people into you moron.

You should be ashamed for that remark, I too have been playin since day one, and I actually like BFR's but you've got to chose between the greater evils...

Make BFR's Gods again and lose more people... or ...Nerf em, and bring more people in

[FatalLight]

Anti-PlanetSide?!... Are flippin mad? Good god wtf have we been tryin to do these last few months with PS?! Not kill it, bring more people into you moron.

You should be ashamed for that remark, I too have been playin since day one, and I actually like BFR's but you've got to chose between the greater evils...

Make BFR's Gods again and lose more people... or ...Nerf em, and bring more people in

You're not supposed to nerf them to get more people in, your supposed to find an equilibrium to keep the ones you have now happy and bring more in

[internetn]

Ok yea your right, but it still upsets me to see someone even suggest the idea of a Anti-PlanetSide ad... I've brought about 5 people into the PS community and I'll go mad if someone starts killin all my, and countless others work

[FatalLight]

Ok yea your right, but it still upsets me to see someone even suggest the idea of a Anti-PlanetSide ad... I've brought about 5 people into the PS community and I'll go mad if someone starts killin all my, and countless others work

QFT, the PS community has worked countless hours on advertising for PS, no way we r going againts that

[juggalokilla]

ok if your bfr gets pwnt by a guy in agile you prolly deserved it. As they were created to be in the rock paper scissors of planetside people<tanks<bfr<people theory you shouldnt be around infantry. you should have your roof camping asses out in the feild fighting tanks and air. most bfrs i see getting sloughtered were on roofs, or camping towers or ams's. thats not the bfrs role so you deserve what you get.


your also still more armed than a medeum tank but not multiple tanks. when they first released, you could walk your bfr anywhere you wanted and it took 5 tanks to defeat you and it was worse once you got the flight variant. now If you stay with other vehicles and your infantry instead of trying to lone wolf, you'll have a better lifetime in them. That fits the teamwork based part of PS. they might also quit nerfing them if they were used properly. Just like the pro bfr's said to infantry "adapt to the new problems". well they did, now you bfr drivers have to adapt yourselfs. learn some real tactics and you won't get omgwtfpwned when you used to feel untouchable.

[internetn]

ok if your bfr gets pwnt by a guy in agile you prolly deserved it. As they were created to be in the rock paper scissors of planetside people<tanks<bfr<people theory you shouldnt be around infantry. you should have your roof camping asses out in the feild fighting tanks and air. most bfrs i see getting sloughtered were on roofs, or camping towers or ams's. thats not the bfrs role so you deserve what you get.


your also still more armed than a medeum tank but not multiple tanks. when they first released, you could walk your bfr anywhere you wanted and it took 5 tanks to defeat you and it was worse once you got the flight variant. now If you stay with other vehicles and your infantry instead of trying to lone wolf, you'll have a better lifetime in them. That fits the teamwork based part of PS. they might also quit nerfing them if they were used properly. Just like the pro bfr's said to infantry "adapt to the new problems". well they did, now you bfr drivers have to adapt yourselfs. learn some real tactics and you won't get omgwtfpwned when you used to feel untouchable.


This guy is friggin smart... Same thing I have been sayin since BFR's came out. Back in the day where 2 BFR's could rule the hole damn continent, it was so much fun being a infantry man.... First use your sniper rifle to take out its sheilds, then jammer it, next get several guys to finish it off with deci's...

[Kam]

Ya but when I kill BFRs, I don't hit the ones that are camping structures. I go after the lone wolfs that decide to run into the middle of a forest or stand in the middle of a bridge. I do this in agile with a rocklet and three jammers, to me that is simply too easy.

[hazzer2007]

I agree, but not with anti PS. BFR's were great in the test server, and as no-one complained, they were powerful. But i hate it how the dev's are nerfing them just because some people dont like them.

All you Anti BFR's, its your own folt. You should of standed up in the test server and say they are too powerful. If you did, there would be no fights between pro and anti bfr's as we would all agree when they came out onto the live server.

BFR's should be brought back to there full power, no more nerfing, i paided for them, I was on the test server using them, and there was no problem.

[Eldanesh]

I agree, but not with anti PS. BFR's were great in the test server, and as no-one complained, they were powerful. But i hate it how the dev's are nerfing them just because some people dont like them.

All you Anti BFR's, its your own folt. You should of standed up in the test server and say they are too powerful. If you did, there would be no fights between pro and anti bfr's as we would all agree when they came out onto the live server.

BFR's should be brought back to there full power, no more nerfing, i paided for them, I was on the test server using them, and there was no problem.


There was no problem on test because EVERYONE was in a bfr, sure they ended up balanced against eachother, but they did not fit into the game at all. Also becasue you paid more does qualify the right to screw over everyone else's gameplay. I pre-fucking-ordered core combat a year ago and have yet to see anything good come of it.

also test server users are a minority of the populace, you cannot expect to get a totally reliable balance off of ~50-100 people screwing around on searhus with some bfrs. Most of the test server was error-fixing, and sadly enough only a little balance.

BFRs are finally what they should be and actually fit into the gameplay rather than taking away from it.

I have friends and outfit members who use bfrs, a lot of them have either moved back to grunting, or simply become better. They still pull off 1 KpM and rarely die before their timers because they play smart and use them as they are ment to rather than some solo rambo roofwhoring dual AI tard who gets jammered and dies in under 15 minutes.

[Warborn]

Ya but when I kill BFRs, I don't hit the ones that are camping structures. I go after the lone wolfs that decide to run into the middle of a forest or stand in the middle of a bridge. I do this in agile with a rocklet and three jammers, to me that is simply too easy.

You said it yourself, you go after the lone BFRs. BFRs are meant to be vulnerable alone. If you die alone in your BFR with no allies around, you were not playing very well. Gunner BFRs should be in the middle of a bunch of friendlies, soaking damage and adding their firepower to the battle. Flight variants should jump in from the sides or rear, kill some doods, and then jump out of there. If you hang around in a flight variant, you'll get jammed and killed. If you go out solo in a gunner variant, you'll get jammed and killed. This is how things work, and so as far as I'm conerned, any cries of "I die to easy" have everything to do with your skill, and nothing to do with the overall balance.

[juggalokilla]

You said it yourself, you go after the lone BFRs. BFRs are meant to be vulnerable alone. If you die alone in your BFR with no allies around, you were not playing very well. Gunner BFRs should be in the middle of a bunch of friendlies, soaking damage and adding their firepower to the battle. Flight variants should jump in from the sides or rear, kill some doods, and then jump out of there. If you hang around in a flight variant, you'll get jammed and killed. If you go out solo in a gunner variant, you'll get jammed and killed. This is how things work, and so as far as I'm conerned, any cries of "I die to easy" have everything to do with your skill, and nothing to do with the overall balance.


/agreed

[internetn]

Warborn is a god...

Anyways, I've never been pro-bfr, or anti-bfr.. but I've always said you need to change your strategy and work as team for their dustruction/success

[hazzer2007]

Also becasue you paid more does qualify the right to screw over everyone else's gameplay

no, its not like that. Its just that were was no warning about the nerf patchs. Also they kept coming. Yes, they might of been too powerful when they came out, but it was nerf after nerf after nerf. And that put me off, proboly all the pro bfr's aswell.

Seem not fair how people that never complaned about them before in the test server get to now!

I have friends and outfit members who use bfrs, a lot of them have either moved back to grunting, or simply become better. They still pull off 1 KpM and rarely die before their timers because they play smart and use them as they are ment to rather than some solo rambo roofwhoring dual AI tard who gets jammered and dies in under 15 minutes.

I agree with you there. I'm no killing hore and realy use flight bfr. The main problem with bfr's is the flight ones as there is hardly no defence aganst them. + the main thing that i hate about them is AA dont lock on. WHY??? they are a aircraft, their name says so, "FLIGHT!!!!!", so why no AA lock on???

[FatalLight]

Um, I don't know about you guys but I'm loving having more control moving around in mid air, IMO flight bfrs should still be able to fly when jammered, although not to their full potential

[Phaden]

You have to understand, Everytime this player is in PS, they are in a BFR, no if's. That is the only place you will see them. They are good, as i will admit, in them, but this game is not about making one vehicle the End all weapon, its about combined arms. If i have seen this person play enough, i know that is what they want it to return to.

Basically, if you dont like they way its goin, unsubcribe. The devs cannot cater to every single person. The OF's lit up about how bad they were and how uber powerful. Now they have responded and been brought down to this. You can not please everyone.

[GreyFlcn]

ReconDelta can't make a post that doesn't have one of these words in it.

BFR
Reaver
AirCav
Whine (Or some variation)


Recon gets no support in the OF, so he's gotta try somewhere I guess ;D

http://img75.exs.cx/img75/6617/sig7be.gif

[GreyFlcn]

Here's an example (http://psforums.station.sony.com/ps/board/message?board.id=psdiscussion&message.id=305390)

My in game names are recondelta and recondeita. Typically I run two accounts. Never lacking a "good" driver, and never lacking a spotter for my flail.

Basically before BFRs were around, he was cheating his ass of driving Tanks and Spotting for Flails solo.

Now he's sad that Dev's are hurting his ability to 'Solo Tank' with BFRs.

[Recondelta]

Wanted to state I was very angry with the DEVS nerfing FVs, then the very next day following them with another very substantial nerf to the shield regen. In my anger, I perhaps did overreact.

I do feel strongly the DEVS are approaching this entire BFR issue the wrong way and I am not necessarily a happy customer currently. I'm not at the point of going all out with a negative campaign towards Planetside, but that camel is about one straw away.

We the customers paid for Planetside and the BFR expansion, we the customers should not have a development team basically removing what we paid for a short three months later. These nerfs need to stop or at least be address in a different manner.

Just as the Internet word of mouth is a positive way to increase Planetside population, and I did my share. It can also act in an opposite way. I dont take kindly being sold a Porche and when I get the vehicle home finding out the dealer replaced my engine with one from a VW.

So for now, I'm calling the DEVS bluff.

[Warborn]

Wanted to state I was very angry with the DEVS nerfing FVs, then the very next day following them with another very substantial nerf to the shield regen. In my anger, I perhaps did overreact.

I do feel strongly the DEVS are approaching this entire BFR issue the wrong way and I am not necessarily a happy customer currently. I'm not at the point of going all out with a negative campaign towards Planetside, but that camel is about one straw away.

We the customers paid for Planetside and the BFR expansion, we the customers should not have a development team basically removing what we paid for a short three months later. These nerfs need to stop or at least be address in a different manner.

Just as the Internet word of mouth is a positive way to increase Planetside population, and I did my share. It can also act in an opposite way. I dont take kindly being sold a Porche and when I get the vehicle home finding out the dealer replaced my engine with one from a VW.

So for now, I'm calling the DEVS bluff.

Core Combat is not "the BFR expansion". It existed long before BFRs were added to it. If you bought the expansion for the BFRs, great, but you're wrong in assuming you have some kind of guarentee. You may also be surprised to know that you also do not own your character, and that if SOE wished, they could instantly revoke your PS account permanently, and there wouldn't be a damn thing you could do about it. Clearly, you're overestimating your rights in this situation.

Furthermore, you are a player. You do not necessarily understand the nuances of game balance. The fact that you concede you were emotional about this situation makes it obvious you are not being objective. You aren't basing your opinion on what's best for the game, you're basing it on what you want. That is not how you balance a game. If Samhayne started letting his personal feelings about one vehicle or another get in the way, the game would become unbalanced in a hurry, and customers would be lost.

So stop leaping to conclusions about what you're entitled, and realize that you do not necessarily know what is best.

[Phaden]

Wow. Warborn took my words clear out of my own mouth. I was forming a response as i read, and then read warborn's. Damn you for thinking the same exact thing i was!!