Give him a medal, this man is my new hero

[Biohazzard56]

I couldnt believe my eyes at first.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/PPSh_1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v144/Mr.Russian/PPSh_2.jpg

[Biohazzard56]

If you still dont get it:

http://www.callofdutygaming.com/images/weapons/russian/ppsh_menu.jpg

[Giovanni]

What the fuck is he doing with a WWII soviet weapon? O_ My guess is he took it from an insurgent... but... why?

[Jaged]

bad ass

[Lonehunter]

but... why?
Personal Preferance

[Giovanni]

Isn't there some sort of regulation that restricts the use of insurgent firearms unless the need arises (lack of ammo)?

[Rayder]

Personal preference and utility.

[Biohazzard56]

The guy still has his M16 on a drop leg sling. You dont know if its 7.62x25 in that case it would be hard to find ammo, even harder to find good ammo. It could also be an Iraian PPsh converted to 9mm. In that case, ammo would be easy to come by. Plus the PPsh is still a great CQB weapon.

[DaShiznit]

Oh. My. God. That is fucking sweet. I agree. This dude needs a medal.

[Fragmatic]

Why does he deserve a medal? For using an old gun?

[Kam]

It's an awsome gun, I think it's the one you get in the single player Russian scenario of CoD. Besides that, it looks really cool.

[Mag-Mower]

Why does he deserve a medal? For using an old gun?
my thoughts exactly...

[Biohazzard56]

Why does he deserve a medal? For using an old gun?

for being cool AND using a PPsh41!

[jedi]

I say give him a medal if he'd cleared out a 3 story building without reloading and for every bullet that the magazine can hold, that's how many enemies he killed.

[Squeeky]

I gurantee you he ditches that piece of shit after he is done clearing that building. his M-16 > that thing in any other situation. But CQB, i'd take the PPsh41 over an M-16 any day of the week.

[Fragmatic]

for being cool AND using a PPsh41!

Being a soldier doesn't make you cool.
I know quite a few people in the army (British Army) and some of them are real arseholes.

[Biohazzard56]

I know the guy who posted these pictures originally while they were together in Iraq, and he does indeed keep it with him.

Almost 2.5 times the magazine capacity of the M-4, with less noise and less recoil (READ- easier to keep on target). Between 100-150 ft/lbs. more energy than a 9x19mm. The lack of power when compared to the 5.56 is insignificant, due to the fact they are in close-range street battles where the range rarely exceeds 70 yards.

Frag your point is invalid, your an arsehole but your still cool. :love:

Plus its a Marine, +10 Cool points

[Fragmatic]

Plus its a Marine, +10 Cool points

So you judge people on what job they do, not by their personality? :rolleyes:

[Electrofreak]

The guy still has his M16 on a drop leg sling. You dont know if its 7.62x25 in that case it would be hard to find ammo, even harder to find good ammo. It could also be an Iraian PPsh converted to 9mm. In that case, ammo would be easy to come by. Plus the PPsh is still a great CQB weapon.

die

[Rayder]

So you judge people on what job they do, not by their personality? :rolleyes:

America. Duh. I thought you British people were supposed to be smart?

[Fragmatic]

America. Duh. I thought you British people were supposed to be smart?

:lol: Die.

[SecondRaven]

It's an awsome gun, I think it's the one you get in the single player Russian scenario of CoD. Besides that, it looks really cool.

So Kam where are thoes pics from GT4? I mean you should of had plenty of time to beat it like 4x over. I mean you beat the game the first time in under a week.. :lol:

We want pics KAM!

[Firefly]

Isn't there some sort of regulation that restricts the use of insurgent firearms unless the need arises (lack of ammo)?
No. A buddy of mine routinely uses an AK47 variant that he took from a dead insurgent.

I gurantee you he ditches that piece of shit after he is done clearing that building. his M-16 > that thing in any other situation. But CQB, i'd take the PPsh41 over an M-16 any day of the week.
Wrong. Ten to none says he keeps the weapon, as you don't just throw a weapon away because you have an M16. Only a fool does that, or someone who fears the stupidity of his/her commanding officer.

Bear in mind, the following opinion is based on roughly ten years of personal experience. The M16 (and its M4 "little brother") are generally regarded as pieces of crap. Where you see troops using them, they're probably frontline regular troops (as opposed to spec-ops) and don't have a choice. A majority of the times I've gone overseas where using alternate weapons was authorized, we routinely dropped 5.56 for something that can stop a man... or woman.

What amuses me, is that a majority of the people base their opinions here on what they read in "Soldier of Fortune" and what they "experience" from playing a computer game.

[SecondRaven]

What amuses me, is that a majority of the people base their opinions here on what they read in "Soldier of Fortune" and what they "experience" from playing a computer game.

QFT!

:thumbsup:

[Biohazzard56]

we routinely dropped 5.56 for something that can stop a man... or woman.

AKA

http://www.vickersmachinegun.org.uk/cartridges/762x54r.jpg 7.62x54R

+

http://www.petenelson.com/Photos/Misc/Guns/Mosin%20Nagant/Mosin%20Nagant%2002.jpg

Ok so im kidding about the mosin, but if I had a SAW id probably trade it in for a RPK or RPD, buy some aftermarket (reliable parts) for it and use the more powerful 7.62x54R since thats what alot of RPKs and RPDs use. Its about time the military started using the M-240. One of my sister's friends is a SSgt and was in Iraq for 8 months. He traded in his SAW for an M60 just for the enhanced stopping power and reliablity. Maybe it was just his personal experience though.

[Giovanni]

Some guy in my kung-fu class is an ex-infantry and he said he would rather die then carry an m60 for miles again. I don't know if 20-30 pounds is worth the stopping power.

[Squeeky]

What amuses me, is that a majority of the people base their opinions here on what they read in "Soldier of Fortune" and what they "experience" from playing a computer game.

I base mine on the fact that I know for a fact I would rather have a government issued assault rifle (even if it does jam occasionally), over a Soviet made WWII era weapon that sprays 9mm rounds. :p

[Biohazzard56]

I just looked it up and the M60 is three pounds heavier than the M249. Plus it doenst matter if its an old gun. Since the days of the early 1900s, gun design hasnt changed much. Its a bolt moving foward and back grabbing rounds and gas powered. PPshs are great guns, Ill hopefully get to fire one at Knob Creek.

The only problem is that you got a gun from an insurgent who got it for free or for two bucks. The guy from the fourm I originally got this from said he thought it was a great replacement since he scrapped his M9 for it, until it did eventually break, when he got pulled off the line. He went out to a pile of ordinance waiting to be demolished and found two other PPshes and looked online how to disassemble it, which is how he and the guy who posted it came across the forum. He found out the firing pin spring had rusted badly and the spring guide had broken. So he mixed and matched the best quality parts and got it working again. As far as i know they are both still in Iraq.

[Firefly]

Some guy in my kung-fu class is an ex-infantry and he said he would rather die then carry an m60 for miles again. I don't know if 20-30 pounds is worth the stopping power.
Is he skinny, lanky etc? The 60 is usually "given" to the biggest or "strongest" guy. Or in some units, the jackass who's late for formation or gets in trouble. I volunteered to carry the 60 because 1) I wanted to carry the most firepower, and 2) so no stupid sonofabitch couldn't tell me I wasn't carrying my fair share of the "work". That, and I am a big boy and can handle heavier loads.

It's a crew-served weapon, which means it takes a team to operate it. Usually that means, a sixty-gunner (who occasionally can be found carrying a sidearm as backup) and enough ammo to immediately open up if necessary. Then you have a guy carrying the tools - ie spare barrel, a tripod if called for, hasty-repair kit, and spare ammo. Lots of spare ammo.

Now they are slowly trading the M60 for the M240. FYI.

I base mine on the fact that I know for a fact I would rather have a government issued assault rifle (even if it does jam occasionally), over a Soviet made WWII era weapon that sprays 9mm rounds.
That's an excellent point of view. But remember - government issue means built by the lowest bidder. Govt-issue is all well and good, but think about this. The Soviets built their shit to last. Like, REALLY last. They also keep their old junk and save it in case it comes down to throwing everything you have at the enemy. Oftentimes, an old Soviet piece of shit is more reliable than some high-tech piece of crap sponsored by the US government. And soemthing else you should bear in mind - the DESIGN is Soviet-WW2. But refer to the Kalishnikov/AK47. It's a very old design, and it's reproduced and copied and still manufactured in hundreds of countries today. You may see an AK and think, "Wow that sucker's been in service since the late Fifties" but it could have been made last week.

The guy from the fourm I originally got this from said he thought it was a great replacement since he scrapped his M9 for it, until it did eventually break, when he got pulled off the line. He went out to a pile of ordinance waiting to be demolished and found two other PPshes and looked online how to disassemble it, which is how he and the guy who posted it came across the forum. He found out the firing pin spring had rusted badly and the spring guide had broken. So he mixed and matched the best quality parts and got it working again.
I'm not discounting this theory, because my intimate knowledge of the inner workings of weapons are limited to relatively modern times. But I find it hard to believe (again throwing in the disclaimer of non-familiarity).

The reason I say this is because modern weapons have a "fingerprint" system, as each weapon is literally custom-made for itself (in a mass-manufacture sense, which is sort of an oxymoron). You don't just pick up parts from another weapon and slap them into your own (magazines do not count as parts). For example, you can't just take the lower-receiver of an M4 and match it to an upper receiver. You don't just take the firing pin from one rifle and put it on the bolt of another rifle.

Granted, the Soviets were a sort of third-world technological marvel, and many weapons of that era were essentially machine-stamped. Such as the Grease Gun and the Sten. It may be possible to sift through junk piles of old weapons and rebuild a weapon from spare parts.

[Biohazzard56]

It is actually true, in almost all soviet weapons of the era. Due to mass produciton you may find a bad part here or there. Especially when the Insurgents you get it from have almost no knowledge of gun maintenance, tactics or marksmanship for that matter.

Soviets wanted to have interexchange-able parts. For example, a mosin collector took out his oldest mosin in his collection (1st year Model 1891 Mosin Nagant Dragoon Rifle) and exchanged the bolt with the last mosins to be built, a Model 44 Carbine built in 1956 by Czeckslovakia. Swapped out the bolts and fired each. The actions werent as tight fitting with new and older bolts but they both did fire and had no problems. The PPsh designer even designed the reciever assembly to take saw cut mosin barrels.

I only have a real knowledge of vintage firearms, mainly of standard infantry rifles of the World War I and World War II eras.

[oddfish]

maybe the guy just really likes his new toy? from what my uncle tells me about his service in Viet Nam, guys would just pick up all kinds of guns while in the field (to replace their piece of shit M-16's)... he personnaly had a Remmington 870 shotgun and a thompson submachinegun. He told me that finding ammo for it on dead VC was easy because they almost all stripped weapons and ammo from dead GI's. Since the Colt 1911 was the government issue sidearm at the time it was almost a sure thing to find hundreds of rounds of .45 ammunition on a dead body, plus whatever ammo he could get when not actually in the field. He told me that in all honesty he didn't know if the thompson itself was really a BETTER gun, in all honesty he knew that SMG and Rifle are totally different ballparks, he just felt safer carrying IT around than the M-16.
What was really great was how he told me he got the Thompson and 870: he said he'd gotten them smuggled in with a shipment of bedding supplies and stuff like that. Some helicopter pilot with a lot of friends. It's amazing the shit you could get over there. He told me one of his closest friends in the platoon was trying to get his hands on ammo for a russian anti-tank rifle that he found in the field. My uncle never really told me if the guy got the ammo but i wouldn't be surprised if he did.

[Electrofreak]

Damn, thats pretty cool Oddfish. To be honest, I couldn't care less what gun the dude in the topic was carrying, its history like Oddfish just related that interests me.

[Toimu]

I'm in the 1ID, we just got back from Iraq. We always took weapons from raids and off dead people. We never really shot them other than for fun though, (shoot the AK, or M2/MK19) but we did give them to ING, IA, IP, and Georgians.

But speaking of odd weapons to carry, my CSM kept a CO2 pellet gun in his 1114! Don't think he ever used it on anyone though.