New Pope

[Jennyboo]

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/B73967/

[Ghryphen]

w00t w00t for the New Poop..err..Pope

[Atog]

thank god (no semi-pun intended) that there's finally a new one, and we can get on with our lives.
This guy was my first-pick for pope. Seems charismatic.

[Lonehunter]

He's German

[Fragmatic]

He's German

so?

[steeldragon01]

I wanted the nigerian to win just so there could be a black pope.

[DaShiznit]

Nevermind the fact that he's a NAZI!

[Rbstr]

Nevermind the fact that he's a NAZI!
I wan't to shoot you in the face.

That is all

[Lonehunter]

so?

cuz I wanted to know how logn it would take for this to come up

Nevermind the fact that he's a NAZI!

[Biohazzard56]

Nevermind the fact that he's a NAZI!

Im not catholic, but what the fuck?

[DaShiznit]

Ahem. (http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/42823.htm)

I only speak the truth. Forgive me if I don't think a former member of the Hitler Youth has any moral credibility.

[MrVicchio]

Hey DaShiznit.


60 years ago do you think the man had much choice in joining the "hilter youth"?


Come on, lets hear it....

You know the real problem you have with the man is that he is a Conservative Bishop not likely to change the church much from where it is.

Bumper Sticker logic at it's best, Nazi.. yeah he was a youth without much choice..

No reasonable individual would look at the mans record as a Priest, his age, and say "This man was a Hitler Youth, he's a NAZI!!!" Simpletons might, but not anyone with half a brain.

[I Hate Pants]

das Pope!!!!

[Jaged]

It was mandatory for all people of that age in nazi germany to join the hitler youth. Please explain how being caught in this situation makes you a bad person.

[Mr1337Duck]

I agree. The guy was conscripted into the Hitler Youth and also the German army. You can't declare a man to be evil when he is FORCED to do evil things.

[DaShiznit]

I'll give you the fact that it wasn't voluntary. HOWEVER, look at his beliefs. Wether he's approving of violence against gays (http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/04/ratzinger-defends-violence-against.html) or downplaying the molestation scandal (http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/04/ratzinger-defends-pedophiles_19.html), it seems that he wouldn't have needed it to be mandatory to join the Hitler youth.

[ViperGTS]

I with dashiz on this. I hope he steps on a fucking landmine or something.
Weee I love being ignorent. Bring it on bitches.

[cyberkiller]

i shall also be ignorent and agree with dashiznit and Viper.

[Mr1337Duck]

Read a little closer, Shiz.

It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the church�s pastors wherever it occurs.

reveals a kind of disregard for others which endangers the most fundamental principles of a healthy society. The intrinsic dignity of each person must always be respected in word, in action and in law.

But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase.

What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behavior of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable.

What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well


He's saying that he doesn't think people are forced to act upon homosexual desires, but that at a certain point, they allow themselves to. Meanwhile, even though they act upon those choices, they must still be treated as human beings, and thus, irrational, violent, twisted retaliation is to be condemned. He's speaking completely in line with church doctrine.

Get this, Shiz, the church does not promote homosexuality. The church doesn't care what the current thing is that the progressive society wants normalized for the rest of humanity, they're interested in sticking to their doctrine.

Let's continue:

I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offences among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower."

"In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type," he said. "The constant presence of these news items does not correspond to the objectivity of the information nor to the statistical objectivity of the facts.

"Therefore, one comes to the conclusion that it is intentional, manipulated, that there is a desire to discredit the Church. It is a logical and well-founded conclusion.


What he's saying here is that there's always gonna be pedophiles, and that it's only the fact that it's Catholic priests doing it that causes people to really get angry, thus, the media loves it, because scandal means ratings. Now, I personally believe priests should be allowed to marry and have sex, etc., in the interest of not forcing them to use kids as objects for sexual desire, but that's not my job to tell them what to do, as I'm a Methodist.

[Biohazzard56]

The link to the new york post you brought up even says he was drafted into the Hitler Youth, let me teach you some history. Not all German Soliders were Nazis alot of them were innocent. Rommel couldnt even be considered a Nazi, even though he was a general. He was a devout German Nationalist but he saw the anti-semetic movement as a distraction from the war and a waste of man power and resources especially in the later years in the war before the SS killed him for a connection linked to the assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944.

[Sabinius]

that was awfully fast
I thought that was gonna be "gigantic-presidential-two-year-long"
election

[l3lizz4rd]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C2089-1572667%2C00.html
In 1937 Ratzinger�s father retired and the family moved to Traunstein, a staunchly Catholic town in Bavaria close to the F�hrer�s mountain retreat in Berchtesgaden. He joined the Hitler Youth aged 14, shortly after membership was made compulsory in 1941.

[Atog]

My brother is pretty Catholic/Jesuit-savvy, and the dude picking Benedict as his name is an enigma. Benedict is a name associated with "uniting", so he's either planning on Uniting Christianity/Catholics for the common good of the world (good) or uniting Christianity/Catholics for a giant polarization sceme (bad)
I don't have any facts to back this up, but i seem to remember Popey once saying that Christianity was the only real religion, and the rest were heathens/etc.
Bad Beans :|

[MrVicchio]

Again the whle Nazi thing DaShiznit is getting his panties in a binch over is a red herring.

Look at his statement:

I'll give you the fact that it wasn't voluntary. HOWEVER, look at his beliefs. Whether he's approving of violence against gays or downplaying the molestation scandal, it seems that he wouldn't have needed it to be mandatory to join the Hitler youth.


Reguarldess the that the Catholic Church has teachings that say Homosexuality is a sin, and the Pope has spoken to this, he is also as Mr1337duck so nicely pointed out, he also said that while a Sin, it is just as big of a sin to hate and hurt these people. that's not how Jesus taught us to be. So that claim is not only absurd, it's baseless and thus through evidence not bumbper sticker logic, to be WRONG.

Now as for the Priest Scandel. This is something the Church has to deal with, and the man is also on record as being for a "cleaning house" approach. It was just on the news covering this. He is bothered by the way the media covers the issue in America, and makes what amounts to be less then 1% of the Clergy as meaning all priests are abusers. There were mistakes made by the Church, but there is no proof anywhere this man was all for children being abused and was all for it.

Thus agian, bumbper sticker logic defeated by reailty.


The fact he was drafted into the Hitler youth against his will (btw he never saw combat or anything because he was in a seminary) is just a convient red flag to obsruc the facts for those that want nothing more then to oppose any Pope that isn't going to bow to the Liberal will; Open acceptance and aaproval of homosexuality, preists marrying, female priests and changeing of the stance of the Church on Birth Control.

Reality > Bumbper sticker logic

[Derfud]

I hear he's a real douche.

[Atog]

I hear he's a real douche.
yeah, he's definetly not a JP2 kind of guy.

[Hamma]

Doesent matter anyway the guy is so old he will only be in office a couple years.

[spoonkiny]

go to http://darthbenedict.ytmnd.com/ its awesome!

[Atog]

Doesent matter anyway the guy is so old he will only be in office a couple years.


yeah, they're calling this guy a transitional pope until the next guy, who will most likely be the guy from Brazil. Nobody liked him this time because he's really young (like 62) for being a papacy canidate, but he's super-charismatic in addition to being Latin American, which is huge.

[spoonkiny]

REALLY now

[Hamma]

Since when is 62 young :lol:

[MrVicchio]

Since when is 62 young :lol:

I hope I can find you when we're both 80 and I will ask you "So is 62 old Hamma?"

[Derfud]

For most popes, 62 is freaking juvenile.

[Atog]

Since when is 62 young :lol:

Derfud is right here. Bendict 16 is how old, and he's about average age for a pope.