POTD: VS+NC vs. TR

[Zanduar]

Just so true and finally admitted for all to see in a POTD. I guess Blue and Purple go well together :rolleyes:

[steeldragon01]

If you played nc you would think differently.

[Lartnev]

Probably the same if you played vs too :)

[Zanduar]

You may be right, I am biased because I play only TR. But I've never heard a global or had a chat with another empire about working together. Nor has there ever been an order to not attack the enemy. When I see the VS and NC on a cont attacking only TR it looks a bit odd to me.

[MrSpandex]

Try the third monolith event. The VS defended the neutral cap for the TR. THey only killed NC, not TR, and admitted to doing it. Thats how bad it is on Markov.

[Firefly]

Is that why the amateurs on Markov had to come to Emerald with an outfit of the same name?

Markov = amateur. As far as VS and TR, probably because they were scared to death of the million-man seven-nation army called 666th that is so apparently uber that it has to cause VS and TR to band together.

:rolleyes:

[MarsIsBack]

ppl plz THINK before posting. empires do NOT fight together without a reason. if it helps ur empire to achieve a goal by not attacking 1 empire then u do it. (e.g. mod event u fight for 1st place but can�t cap the current monolith so u obv try to deny it to the empire u are fighting for 1st)

[Baneblade]

Markov = amateur.

I'd take Markov over the other two any day. Emerald was too easy. And Werner...they were cool, but not the same.

[Kam]

I don't know about that. Markov has an extremely low population atm. It really isn't apparent until you try to get CEP on a non event night, unless you have a regular group of poeple that are on at the same time it's impossible to get a full squad much less a platoon. (Which you need to get any decent CEP.) It also becomes apparent when, on an event night, you can wander around inside an enemy base the zergs are fighting for in agile and not be found for 15 mins. I really don't know what the other servers are like population wise though.

[Baneblade]

I havent seen any pop problems...maybe Im on the wrong poplocked continents.

[DeepStrikeck]

I don't know about that. Markov has an extremely low population atm. It really isn't apparent until you try to get CEP on a non event night, unless you have a regular group of poeple that are on at the same time it's impossible to get a full squad much less a platoon. (Which you need to get any decent CEP.) It also becomes apparent when, on an event night, you can wander around inside an enemy base the zergs are fighting for in agile and not be found for 15 mins. I really don't know what the other servers are like population wise though.

This is actually quite far from the truth. Friday night, Future Crew had a full squad going and our squad leader, LiquiDSn4k3 got the CEP (roughly 7,000 CEP) when we captured Azeban.

I also would rather take markov over the other servers. Werner's prime time is not convienient for me and emerald has 13908759863475923809 BFRs and 1 out of 20 people can actually put up a fight in doors.

[Zanduar]

Yeah, I should have stated on emerald. On emerald, there have been several occurances of VS and NC working together. The three-way bitch that is cyssorside has led me to many battles where it will be NC + VS vs. TR. The TR just become a natural enemy and fewer VS/NC fights happen because there is a TR target. When there isn't a target then they will go after each other to improve their K/Ds.

TR continents get attacked by both VS and NC, sometimes there will be backhacks that do not benefit the backhacking empire at all but will severly hurt the defending TR because we can't seem to defend on two fronts.

I've never once, ever have been told globably to work together with another empire. The only time that any cooperation occurs is when there are black market trades for obviously superiour items. I don't know why an NC would want a colosus (sp) because its a piece of S*** but we will gladly trade for other empire's stuff if given the chance.

[KeviN]

Yeah, I should have stated on emerald. On emerald, there have been several occurances of VS and NC working together. The three-way bitch that is cyssorside has led me to many battles where it will be NC + VS vs. TR. The TR just become a natural enemy and fewer VS/NC fights happen because there is a TR target. When there isn't a target then they will go after each other to improve their K/Ds.

TR continents get attacked by both VS and NC, sometimes there will be backhacks that do not benefit the backhacking empire at all but will severly hurt the defending TR because we can't seem to defend on two fronts.

EVERYONE backhacks.
EVERYONE gets backhacked.

It happens, life moves on.

[internetn]

Yeah, I should have stated on emerald. On emerald, there have been several occurances of VS and NC working together. The three-way bitch that is cyssorside has led me to many battles where it will be NC + VS vs. TR. The TR just become a natural enemy and fewer VS/NC fights happen because there is a TR target. When there isn't a target then they will go after each other to improve their K/Ds.

TR continents get attacked by both VS and NC, sometimes there will be backhacks that do not benefit the backhacking empire at all but will severly hurt the defending TR because we can't seem to defend on two fronts.

I've never once, ever have been told globably to work together with another empire. The only time that any cooperation occurs is when there are black market trades for obviously superiour items. I don't know why an NC would want a colosus (sp) because its a piece of S*** but we will gladly trade for other empire's stuff if given the chance.


Think about this buddy...

Say your the TR and the VS and NC are fighting on Esamir. A CR5 tells you to attack Esamir. You attack Esamir. Now the TR and the NC are buddy, buddy's right? No.. Obviously you not to great of a strategist.

If the enemy is fighting on one front already, then it is VERY smart to open up another and let that empire weaken. Its not alling agaisnt your empire, its using the situation to your advantage. doh

[Lartnev]

Yeah, I should have stated on emerald. On emerald, there have been several occurances of VS and NC working together. The three-way bitch that is cyssorside has led me to many battles where it will be NC + VS vs. TR. The TR just become a natural enemy and fewer VS/NC fights happen because there is a TR target. When there isn't a target then they will go after each other to improve their K/Ds.

TR continents get attacked by both VS and NC, sometimes there will be backhacks that do not benefit the backhacking empire at all but will severly hurt the defending TR because we can't seem to defend on two fronts.

I've never once, ever have been told globably to work together with another empire. The only time that any cooperation occurs is when there are black market trades for obviously superiour items. I don't know why an NC would want a colosus (sp) because its a piece of S*** but we will gladly trade for other empire's stuff if given the chance.

:crapper:

[Jeffey]

I've been playing emerald TR since I got PS..

Forseral = sacked daily by the VS

Cery = sacked daily by the NC

Hossin, Amerish, Esamir, Solsar go days without activity

Granted, this is probably an issue of the TR being the least ass empire to fight against, as our HA poll is hinting in another thread. It still sucks, hard.

[Baneblade]

I think it has more to do with the pussy nature of Emerald TR, I have been to exactly one fight with even numbers without the CR5s calling for everyone to leave. What happened to 'Loyalty Until Death'? Fucking pussies.

[Zanduar]

Swoot, looks like I get to make lots of enemies. And no, I'm not trolling, I'm actually perfectly calm and listening to what you are all saying. But there is a difference between using strategy to pull an enemy off a continent or direct them against one another by only taking certain bases and backhacking/cooperation.

When the third empire comes onto a continent, still fighting on other fronts, and strategically, will not win because of lack of numbers, but still decides to hack a base with a squad or two just to piss off one of the empire's, thats backhacking. Its even worse when its using just a cave link. And the worst of all, especially on emerald, is the NC coming to a continent where they have NO link and hacking every tower just so they can do tower of power by taking a tower that is needed and they know people will fight for.

To be honest, the TR collectively aren't bright, they just want a kill and they don't use alot of teamwork, it usually just ends in zerging so it would be even harder for them to work with another empire.

And I'm not claiming that everyday the NC and VS are plotting in some dark and smokey room to take over the TR. For one, there are alot less players all around to want to cooperate in the first place, for another the way the lattice works now naturally leads to three-ways on the neutral conts like cyssor. But when there were higher pops and when the links were different, it seemed that once a week there was a weird instance of NC and VS being on the same cont against the TR, while the NC and VS didn't go after each other much on other continents. Of course the truce would end once the TR were kicked off cont, accomplishing the mission.

And I'm not claiming that every VS and NC will not kill each other if ordered to. There are some, like me, who are die-hard to their empire and will kill anything that has a red name. But lots of people have alts for other empires and are willing to jump if they are having a bad time with whatever character they are playing at the time.

Again, I'm open to any objections, it would be nice if they were backed up with an opinion though, as just saying no or showing a deficating icon isn't much of an arguement.

[Jeffey]

Any thoughts on the results of that "which HA do you hate the most poll?"

the TR must alwaysa very fucking annoying weapon indoors, while the MCG which is showing to be the most tolerable is an option for the other two. Just some more speculation

[Zanduar]

Lasher is most annoying, you don't have to hit a person, just have to aim around them and they'll die from lash damage.

[Lartnev]

Lasher is most annoying, you don't have to hit a person, just have to aim around them and they'll die from lash damage.

That's fine considering you can't aim straight with the thing anyway ;)

[Hamorad]

I've never once, ever have been told globably to work together with another empire. The only time that any cooperation occurs is when there are black market trades for obviously superiour items. I don't know why an NC would want a colosus (sp) because its a piece of S*** but we will gladly trade for other empire's stuff if given the chance.
Oh i think you're wrong there. For the first few days after BFRs came out, TR cr5s decided to team up with the NC in the caverns so we would be on even grounds with the VS (who dominated the monolith event). There was a cease-fire and we beat those VS (for a little while :P)

Yes this was on emerald.

[Zanduar]

I was there for that ON THE TEST SERVER. Many people were under the assumtion that it was dev sanctioned. It was also only two or three CR5s that were calling for a cease fire after being asked by the NC. Which my outfit outright iggnored and killed everything in-sight, which stopped the cease fire as the NC weren't about to stand there and die.

On Emerald? Since I've played almost every day for a year and a half, I do not recall a cease fire. BWC was down in the caves as soon as they hit live so that every member could be imprinted and if there was a cease fire, which I never saw on any global, then it didn't last long when the bullets started to fly.

It was definately not a global though, as if we had known about it then we would set out to break the truce. Maybe it was a lone incident in the caves with a CR5 talking to people in the caves when we weren't there to hear it and challenge it.

[Zanduar]

That's fine considering you can't aim straight with the thing anyway ;)


As for this, I'm a die-hard cloaker. I made an alt a month ago and its already BR12 and I hardly play it. Come over to emerald and see how you do against my noob grunt alt, BeefyMcManMeat, otherwise you can't speak as your on werner.

[Jeffey]

Even if a cease fire or somthing were 'officially' ordered, it just wouldnt last, it just takes one guy who doesnt pay much attention to his chat window to open up on empire_X.

[Lartnev]

As for this, I'm a die-hard cloaker. I made an alt a month ago and its already BR12 and I hardly play it. Come over to emerald and see how you do against my noob grunt alt, BeefyMcManMeat, otherwise you can't speak as your on werner.

I didn't know the lasher differed from server to server. :huh:

I also had this crazy notion that once in a while I play on Emerald or Markov... I think it was true but I may have been dreaming.

Idiot.

[Zanduar]

Seriously, I'm a cloaker, I've got a grunt alt, if you wanna duel then come to emerald and message Zanduar or BeefyMcManMeat, otherwise keep your mouth shut.

Look at emerald right now. VS and NC are hitting both TR home cont at the same time, so a three way on both TR home conts. On ceryshen two of the bases were hacked at almost the same time. A coincidence? I think not.

Its forcing the TR to leave every other cont and defend there own, its not just a random happening, its a planned attack.

[Baneblade]

You are so full of it. What you say is happening to the TR on Emerald happens to the NC on Markov, and everyone wants to believe its cooperation between the other two empires. I'll tell you what it really is, intelligence greater than that of an ant.

[Jeffey]

Cooperation isn't the right word, it's just standard operating procedure, at least in my experience, emerald NC and VS just seem to start a zerg on the TR more than eachother.

Doesn't mean they are in cahoots, doesnt mean the CR5's have a big secret alliance, they just pick ceryshen when they need a new primary etc

[Zanduar]

Lets see, on basically every night on emerald is reads like this:

NC or VS attack one of the TR home conts.

TR try to open a front against whoever invaded their home cont while defending.

NC or VS, whichever didn't attack originally, now attack the other home cont forcing the TR to pull off on their offensive.

Today the TR were almost sanc locked because of the VS and NC going after both TR home conts, not because of the normal way but because there was two three-ways on the TR home conts that lasted atleast six hours until the the TR night troops logged on and the VS day players logged off.

Its not random what happened today.

[Jeffey]

TR graveyard shift reporting for duty!

huah

[Lartnev]

Seriously, I'm a cloaker, I've got a grunt alt, if you wanna duel then come to emerald and message Zanduar or BeefyMcManMeat, otherwise keep your mouth shut.

Excuse me? How does your "duelling" me prove or disprove co-operation between empires?

[Jeffey]

It just does, because us TR are tuff like that

irl

[Baneblade]

If you are in the third empire, do you attack empty conts or go where the fight is?

[Jeffey]

you hit red TR home cont

[Zanduar]

Excuse me? How does your "duelling" me prove or disprove co-operation between empires?

Dueling (one L) you because your arguement, instead of being logical and well written was instead commenting about my skills with a gun and posting a picture of a smiley face on a toilet. As you have never seen my use of a gun I invited you to experience it first hand. It didn't involve the NC and VS attacking the TR, just that you couldn't understand anything higher then brute force.

[Lartnev]

Oh the :crapper: :rofl: It seemed funny at the time. :shrug:

Just you quoted something else so I didn't understand what the argument (no e after u) was about. Now I do, I can say that I never once said anything about your personal skills with a gun. I was merely stating that since the lasher orbs are inaccurate, the lash is almost a requirement in most situations.

[Zanduar]

That's fine considering you can't aim straight with the thing anyway ;)

You didn't?

[Lartnev]

Yeah, see edit, finally realised what you meant :)

In short, it wasn't a personal you, it was a general you.

[Zanduar]

Good counter point, if its what you originally meant, though you could have stated that to begin with. The lasher, in my opinion, has just the same accuracy as the MGC, and you don't need to actually aim with it to hit something.

[Lartnev]

Yes it is what I originally meant, which is why I couldn't understand your hostility until I re-read it and realised that you'd thought it was directed at you.

But to get back onto track, wouldn't that also be true of the Jackhammer as well (and thus a trait of all Heavy Assault)?

[Zanduar]

Actually that would be off of track, being on track would be discussing the VS and NCs tendencies to go against the TR.

[Baneblade]

That is the point of the game. To think they don't also fight each other is ignorant at best.

[Zanduar]

Well, the conversation is dead, neither side will budge. I'm not claiming that they won't fight each other at all, they just usually don't.

[Baneblade]

Well I know for a fact most of the time it looks like they are working together, but they aren't.

[CAUD]

666th = noobs. all of them. a 3 year old could pwn all of them at once with his eyes closed.

[Hamorad]

I was there for that ON THE TEST SERVER. Many people were under the assumtion that it was dev sanctioned. It was also only two or three CR5s that were calling for a cease fire after being asked by the NC. Which my outfit outright iggnored and killed everything in-sight, which stopped the cease fire as the NC weren't about to stand there and die.

On Emerald? Since I've played almost every day for a year and a half, I do not recall a cease fire. BWC was down in the caves as soon as they hit live so that every member could be imprinted and if there was a cease fire, which I never saw on any global, then it didn't last long when the bullets started to fly.

It was definately not a global though, as if we had known about it then we would set out to break the truce. Maybe it was a lone incident in the caves with a CR5 talking to people in the caves when we weren't there to hear it and challenge it.

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/4511/psscreenshot04577nc.th.jpg (http://img342.imageshack.us/my.php?image=psscreenshot04577nc.jpg)
:rolleyes:

[FatalLight]

Thats in the caves tho, cease fires in the caves happened alot when you got bfr caps for them. I did it and I've got pics of the vs and tr markov sitting in a cc :D

[Hamorad]

We did that for 24 hours straight though, got tons of cep for it too :D

[internetn]

Hell yea, I remeber that

lol It was flippin awsome, FIRST TIME I EVER COOP WITH A ENEMY EMPIRE

[Doop]

i gotta say, i've been VS for a while now, and most of the people I know have a burning hate for the NC

[ViperGTS]

i have a buring hate for snape, after all he did kill dumledore

[Doop]

i have a buring hate for snape, after all he did kill dumledore

snape was obviously vs and dumbledore was obviously nc

[BUGGER]

and harry is common pool cause his house consists of red and gold. :shrug:


I've only had a 2 way with an empire like a year ago. It was pretty sick. Chat was spammed though every 5 minutes with DONT FIRE AT THE NC! We were kicking out the VS from Ishundar with a trade off that the nc gives us back our 3 base in the south while we give ours back in Solsar (we had seth and alittle more than half the continent.....seth is so easly defended).

This only happened because the nc were fighting a loosing battle in Ishundar and they formed up with us. It was sick, Everay (if you remember him) was in NC and i found him. It was sick. We had our moments, trying to knife the NC max, then they all flew away.