Discussion on CR5's

[Hamma]

I am one of the now.. many CR5's on TR emerald. There are a ton of them now given the game has been out for several years.

The CR5's were originally tasked with leading the empire to victory, now it seems nobody listens anymore. Why is this? Has the CR5' title been degraded down to nothing due to spam? Are the people idiots?

What do you think of CR5's and the rank itself?

[Majik]

The biggest problem with CR5s is the fact that 90% of them got it just for that piss ass OS. They never should have attached such an overpowered weapon to leading. You end up with thousands of prepubecents with the ability to globally spam because they grinded to get the "big skilless gun".

I have actually dropped squad (and outfits) from people trying to force CR on me. I refuse to be just another OS on the battlefield.

[LesserShade]

Players should be able to vote a limited number CR4 people to CR5 rank. The point of the CR5 is someone who can coordinate forces across all planets, but over time the more you have and I think it delutes the effectiveness of the rank when you have so many people with the ability to spam globally.

The OS is really lame too.

I would rather listen to an outfit leader who listens in on the command chatter and filters out what he thinks is relevant.

[SC385]

I'm a CR5 on Emerald TR and most of them on there are a bunch of kids spamming command chat with worthless stuff. No one agrees on targets so everyone counter-globals eachother so much the zerg just drifts apart to different places. I wish there devs would do a number of things to fix this.
1) Cr5 target voting: lets cr5s vote on primaries and secondaries
or
2) give CR5s voting power to give certain cr5s the ability to lead while others cant global and can maybe only contall every 20minutes or so.
or
3) Hayoo's idea - http://www.planetside-idealab.com/idea_command_abilities.shtml#commandsquads

of course those would have to be fine tuned for balance and make sure it works out and wont make leading difficult for all.

i just really wish there was some kind of higherarchy within the cr5 command

[Hamma]

Ahh I feel your pain on emerald TR command hehe.

[Hamorad]

Emerald TR global chat is currently used for absolute spam
It's getting really bad

[Mag-Mower]

Hmm... Just recently I have tried out being an SL, and its a bitch. no one at all listens to me, noone, I try making a plan, they all go " omg zerg rush kekeke". Its stupid, Im actually trying to be a decent SL, but its hard when the people you lead dont even listen...

[Boomer]

come to werner. No problems here. At least on the NC side.

[Firefly]

This is why on Emerald TR many coordinated outfits or outfits desiring an organized central sort of command have joined with ULTRA, the longest-running alliance in the history of Planetside (since before retail launch). We all fit on one Teamspeak server and we coordinate efforts via channel commander, and also on the alliance forums.

[JTBell]

NC Markov is pretty free of spam. It's mostly CR5s telling people which planet to go to.

[321]

Most outfits just rank up their players to get OS.

[Majik]

Most outfits just rank up their players to get OS.

and that is why we now have half the playerbase wielding the big button of skillessness

[Hamma]

The OS is a very important part of battle and breaking stalemates but there are far to many of them now.

[321]

The OS is a very important part of battle and breaking stalemates but there are far to many of them now.

Indeed, and what I was getting at was that a lot of CR5s don't have any intention of leading, they just want the OS.

[SC385]

i try to lead but no one ever listens unless you get a big majority of the cr5s to agree over global with you. if you dont get backed up then your com's dont get any attention. And its all because of the cr5 spam. so much pointless shit that no one cares when there is something important up there.

[BUGGER]

TR Markov isn't too bad. Other empires I know are just fine compaired to mine. Very organized and quiet.

OS's are pretty.....common. I mean I know lots of people who are CR5 but never lead anything globaly but just sit and chill OSing enemy targets. He fixes one problem and makes another.


I personally can't wait until I get CR5, even though it will come in a year for me. But leading a squad, much less an entire army, I can't hold the pressure. It always slides two ways: they love you or they hate you.

[Hamma]

i try to lead but no one ever listens unless you get a big majority of the cr5s to agree over global with you. if you dont get backed up then your com's dont get any attention. And its all because of the cr5 spam. so much pointless shit that no one cares when there is something important up there.
Aye. They need to bring the hammer down more - people broadcasting their favorite sports team winning, or their own personal congratulations to someone for hitting a merit goal or something.. that all has to go. If it's not command remove their CR5 abilities and make them stuck at 4.

[Nitsch]

My two cents on CR5 (or any CR in this game).

First, I don't think OS's, emp blasts, ect.... have any place in this game. It's the feature that i hate most about this game. if they need to exist, i think only 1 person per empire should be able to do it (gives a tactical reason for an empire leader).

2nd, I think there should be only 1 person that can broadcast globally at a time and possible only 1 or two that can broadcast per continent.

They could do this by an election process by all CR5's online at the moment. If the person who is voted to speak for the empire logs off, another election happens.

Or have a World of Warcraft ranking type system (your rank is determined realtive to the global population, not a fixed exp amount... kinda like being graded on a bell curve in collage) the person with the highest rank online at the time can be the only one to broadcast.

[Hamma]

:ugh: That PVP ranking system in WoW is the devil :lol:

[PizzasRgooD]

Elections suck. You cannot rely on a majority of people to make a good decision.
I don't think orbital strikes are that bad. It's probably because I wasn't around when only a few people made it to CR5 and os was very rare, but I usually see about 3 os per base battle and they don't seem to be very effective in changing the course of the battle, even when hitting ams'es or the like.
EMP blasts, are those the weird colored explosions that go off sometimes but never hurt me or anyone else?
I guess it's just because I'm new to the game, but I really don't see the problem. I wouldn't care either way though, if they were gone or not.

About broadcasting, everyone has to be able to broadcast, it's the only way to eg warn people of a bd breach, or to ask the primary, whatever. I've never seen it spammed, because I don't consider 2 lines of bs to be spam (the sport scores or merit gained thing). People usually spam in the squad or platoon chat.

[Kikinchikin]

Back when I played (stopped about 2 years ago), I was one of maybe 150 CR5's on the TR for Emerald. Even then we had problems with spam, but overall everything worked pretty well. That was one reason why I stopped playing though. That and my outfit broke up.

[Nitsch]

I don't think orbital strikes are that bad. It's probably because I wasn't around when only a few people made it to CR5 and os was very rare, but I usually see about 3 os per base battle and they don't seem to be very effective in changing the course of the battle, even when hitting ams'es or the like.
If you played back when there were only 1 or 2 cr5, it was great... if someone wanted to take out an AMS they actually had to use tactics and charge attack it. Tower fights were much different because you could run an AMS outside of it and it would last longer than 5 seconds because it wouldn't be OS'ed. Also, the OS'ing the vehicle pad gets rather old. If someone wants to kill everyone there, take a risk and attack it with a plane, thumper or whatever not just stealth in a base with your CR tool and call in an OS with little or no risk.

The other night we were trying to move into a relitively lightly defended base (maybe 20 badguys in there) and 6 of our AMS's got OS'ed within 5 minutes. There shouldn't have been enough people there to field 6 CR5s... We could have had some good fights over taking out the AMSs, but no... the cheeseball OSs took them out.

EMP blasts, are those the weird colored explosions that go off sometimes but never hurt me or anyone else?

If you were a combat engineer you would feel differently. Nothing worse than spending 10 minutes setting deployables in just the right spots around a base or tower, then have some dude emp blast the place in 1 second and ruin all your work. If someone wants to use a jammer... fine, but at least I can take that dude out before he destroys all my work.... emp blasts take no skill.

About broadcasting, everyone has to be able to broadcast, it's the only way to eg warn people of a bd breach, or to ask the primary, whatever. I've never seen it spammed, because I don't consider 2 lines of bs to be spam (the sport scores or merit gained thing). People usually spam in the squad or platoon chat.
I'm talking about Global and Continental Broadcasts that only the CR5's can do, not the /b channel

[EVILPIG]

Man, I wrote a very detailed analysis of the real problem and a possible solution, neither of which has even been mentioned in this thread. After an hour of writing it, Mozilla crashed and I lost it. :(

[EVILPIG]

If you were a combat engineer you would feel differently. Nothing worse than spending 10 minutes setting deployables in just the right spots around a base or tower, then have some dude emp blast the place in 1 second and ruin all your work. If someone wants to use a jammer... fine, but at least I can take that dude out before he destroys all my work.... emp blasts take no skill.



EMP blasts only destroy your mines, unless you are stupid enough to deploy with your spits and MS's within their blast radius.

[WildEagle]

This is why on Emerald TR many coordinated outfits or outfits desiring an organized central sort of command have joined with ULTRA, the longest-running alliance in the history of Planetside (since before retail launch). We all fit on one Teamspeak server and we coordinate efforts via channel commander, and also on the alliance forums.

Team Ultra FTW, TDC 4 Life

(meh I will never get CR5 cuz i'd rather recieve orders than give them at this point in my Planetside career. TR CR5s suck, i only listen to the ones in Ultra or ones I know and trust their judgement.

[BadDogEDN]

You should only be able to be cr5 if you are an outfit leader or at least in an outfit i hate all the losers that are cr5 and have no outfit. and there should be a set limit of cr5s that can talk per outfit as well, each outfit should pick a set amount to be able to global at a one time.

[BUGGER]

Just curious....how many people here that play PS are CR5, broadcast like crazy (or just broadcast like a civilized being), and OS whenever the timer runs out.

How many are not CR5 but are working or plan to work to CR5?

For the people not CR5 yet, get back to me after a month of being CR5.



OS's I don't mind, maybe a higher wait time to fix that. EMP's are alittle pissy because they blow up AMS's (yes?), broadcasts are all that really piss me off. Fix that and I'll be very kool with CR5's.

[Geist]

Maybe they're should be a commander in chief and a cabinet and they should be able to ban people from using the global comm for spam.

[GPman]

Most are ruining the game I have found. I was in a nice solid big battle doing my support work. Then some big global post of "we are taking over Hossin. Hossin is Primary leave Cyssor now! They are so busy fighting over Cyssor that we can roll over Hossin easily." So what happens, tons of people leave letting our base get over run in minutes.

Just because one person has a battle plan it doesn't mean everybody needs to follow them. If we are in a big fun battle who the hell cares who owns what continent. You will leave and come back tomorrow and it will all be different anyway. Isn't this game all about individual fun battles since continental and mod benefits are fleeting? Atleast that is what it is to me.

Don't get me wrong, I will join up a battle that is to make these big gains. But I sure as heck won't leave a good battle just to get them. Just too many people are willing to follow them to easy boring no battle wins.

[BadDogEDN]

Hey for next time you go to cyssor... get off cyssor its a lost cause and we need you on oshur!

[Geist]

How bout global comm go through ranking players on each continent and they choose if it would be good to give the message to the less ranking players.

[Geist]

or maybe a review board for each empire.

[GPman]

Well I left PS for the day yesterday because of all the junk spam being said. It was non stop chatter about junk that has nothing to do with global operations. Just gets so annoying. PLus with a non stop bash of noob players I am sure the reserves program will be a huge success when top level players can insult new players globally and they can't defend themselves.

I have a 100% sure fire way to stop global spam. It will be completely effective and takes NO coding on the side of the devs. Infact, they can implement this idea tomorrow if they wanted to and it would instantly be a success! But SOE will NEVER do it. Here is how.

SOE posts a message in game when you log in and on the forums/newspage a message that simply states:
"CR5 global chat spam will NOT be tolerated. If it is not helpful gamplay orders it is considered spam! All other players, we request that you report ANY player with the /report playername command you see violating this!

CSR's will examing the reports. If the messages are deemed to be spam the following punishment will happen:

1)First time offense will result in a warning.
2)Second offense will result in your CR5 being dropped back down to CR4.
3)Third offense will result in in permanent CR4 status(ie you can never obtain cr5 status again)
*note players abusing the report feature of those who are obviously not spamming may loose thier report command."

And that is it. That right there will end CR5 spam. Nobody wants to loose cr5 status and people can't be trusted to decide who can and can not speak. If somebody here likes this idea post it on the official forums and you will probably see that everybody there likes it to.

But see if you will get an official response. You won't. Why, because they will never do this. Why? Because they are afraid they could potentially loose a lot of customers who got punished and decided to quit. Unlike other companies who are open about their bannings, I am guessing they are to afraid to do anything that might result in people leaving the game. :(

[Hamma]

I agree 100%

It's going to scare off alot of new players being belittled on global spam.

[Geist]

But then some people are leaving because of the spam so if their losing customers either way,I think the should pick the banning except maybe a little less severe.

[BUGGER]

I dig the idea, but what about the ignorant ass holes who will report people just for the hell of it. I mean you said the reporter could loose their priviledges to report too, but even so they could be telling the truth.

If somehow the reporter could also report the last message that the CR5 then you got game.

[Hamma]

but what about the ignorant ass holes who will report people just for the hell of it
This is also true :rofl:

God there are some real assholes on the internet.

[GPman]

I dig the idea, but what about the ignorant ass holes who will report people just for the hell of it. I mean you said the reporter could loose their priviledges to report too, but even so they could be telling the truth.

If somehow the reporter could also report the last message that the CR5 then you got game.

Isn't that how reporting works? Doesn't it send atleast a portion of the chat log of the person who is being reported? Otherwise the report function they already have would be useless. I just figured the report command worked that way. Anybody know how it works for sure right now?

[Hamma]

Actually that's how I understand it works also.

[Nitsch]

EMP blasts only destroy your mines, unless you are stupid enough to deploy with your spits and MS's within their blast radius.
I never put a mine near enough to spitfire to blow it up... but there always seems to be some mine happy n00b who does. These seem to be the same guys who put spitfires in places where there is no possible way they could hurt anyone, in doing so, blocks placement of spitfires in the best locations.

Especally with towers, emp blast ruin the whole strategy of CEing. They disable every mine and spitfire on the roof with no skill involved... at least with jammers, it takes some skill and risk throwing them while you free falling.

With everybody and their dog having emp blast, it really minimalizes the most fun cert in this game... Combat Enginer.

[WildEagle]

well it really all depends on the situation, but is any of the CR5 complaining getting to the devs? i've never seen them comment on a post about this or anything. this is a major issue.

[Geist]

I agree:nod:

[Shadwulf]

im curious are there any markov cr5's here?
cazue i dont have a lot of difficulty with the cr5's on markov.

[Hamma]

Emerald for some raeson seems to have it the worse :(