View Full Version : More Progress in Iraq
Lonehunter
2006-06-08, 09:18 PM
Zarqawi, we got him.
http://www.break.com/movies/baddayzarq.html
LimpBIT
2006-06-08, 09:20 PM
pwned
Peacemaker
2006-06-09, 12:26 AM
They came. They tried to take all our base. We launched all zig.
Kikinchikin
2006-06-09, 01:37 AM
rolled
Hamma
2006-06-09, 08:39 AM
I wonder how he liked playing catch with a couple thousand pound bombs.
Giovanni
2006-06-09, 09:38 AM
Hmk... so one guy out how many? He's dead... another will take his place.
BlackDrop
2006-06-09, 10:17 AM
Hmk... so one guy out how many? He's dead... another will take his place.
He was the top dog next to Osama. The article on yahoo news that I read yesterday said that most of his top aides have been taken out over the past year as well.
Who will take his place? Who determines this? You think they have some sort of command structure? If they do, will the next guy be as smart and slippery as Zarqawi? Taking out Zarqawi brings them one step closer to containing the situation.
Maybe the next guy will be just as cunning and ruthless. Maybe the next guy is a complete moron.
A lot of ifs and maybes for Al Queda there when they are trying to win a "war".
Seems there was a pretty big terrorist plot that was uncovered in Toronto - they were looking to take out the (/edit)CBC building. Canadian officials working with U.S. officials headed them off at the pass.
We have to keep shaking them up and catching them off guard.
Sticking your head in the sand is counterproductive and will get people killed.
Lonehunter
2006-06-09, 10:36 AM
I wonder how he liked playing catch with a couple thousand pound bombs.
Two 500lbs bombs
Hamma
2006-06-09, 11:39 AM
Ah well, a thousand pounds worth of bombs :p
Setari
2006-06-09, 12:10 PM
That's a huge amount of ordinance for the two-story house he was hiding in. CNN has the video of the bombs dropping.
Kikinchikin
2006-06-09, 12:51 PM
You also have to factor in that Al Qaeda and its supporters are by nature very radical and spiritually zealous people. Zarqawi was practically an idol to them, and thus, with his death, the entire organization will suffer a huge blow in momentum. You can argue that the death of a figurehead doesn't help much, but in this case, he was much more than that. It's the next best thing that could have happened other than Osama himself getting killed.
Giovanni
2006-06-09, 01:31 PM
But for them... isn't dying as a martyr the greatest honor?
I'm not saying his death is a bad thing. I'm still heading for the army (should be leaving in 3-4 months). I won't be with you guys in Iraq sadly but in a year from there I'll be posted in Afghanistan.
I'm just asking... did his death really do anything significant? Will it truly push them back in their holes due to the blow? Or will it only put a small dent that will only motivate them to push on us even harder?
Firefly
2006-06-09, 01:47 PM
But for them... isn't dying as a martyr the greatest honor?
To the average moron on the ground, yes. In other words, if you're an uneducated stupid crunchie, you are CANNON FODDER. They make martyrs out of themselves because they are told this is the right thing to do.
However.
You don't see guys like Bin Laden, Zawahiri, etc serving themselves up to be a martyr, do you? You don't see imams and sheihks and ayatollahs of rock-and-rollas standing around going "Shoot me, infidel!" do you? No. You don't. Because they know the religious law, and have perverted it to their own ends. They have convinced others to do the dying, for their own purposes.
Lonehunter
2006-06-09, 04:38 PM
You don't see guys like Bin Laden, Zawahiri, etc serving themselves up to be a martyr, do you? You don't see imams and sheihks and ayatollahs of rock-and-rollas standing around going "Shoot me, infidel!" do you? No. You don't. Because they know the religious law, and have perverted it to their own ends. They have convinced others to do the dying, for their own purposes.
Perfect.
Friend of mine asked me after seeing this, "So was 2500+ dead troops worth his death?"
To witch I told him, "I wish I could tell you how many lives we prevented him from taking, but we'll never know."
Firefly
2006-06-09, 06:25 PM
Friend of mine asked me after seeing this, "So was 2500+ dead troops worth his death?"
Attributing all 2500+ deaths to this guy is essentially the same as attributing them all to bin Laden.
Rbstr
2006-06-09, 06:42 PM
Perfect.
Friend of mine asked me after seeing this, "So was 2500+ dead troops worth his death?"
To witch I told him, "I wish I could tell you how many lives we prevented him from taking, but we'll never know."
How many more deaths then his orignial potential could his contemporaries cuase?
Ifs like this don't get you anywhere.
You may or may not have prevented any deaths at all.
Would any of these deaths happened if we never invaded at all?
Firefly
2006-06-09, 07:43 PM
How many more deaths then his orignial potential could his contemporaries cuase?
Do you know what mob mentality is? Most men are followers. Ordinary people are occasionally influenced by people that they wouldn't normally be influenced by, when they see others involved. Either way, this question is nothing more than semantics and hypotheticals.
Ifs like this don't get you anywhere.
Looks like it did. The figurehead for this movement kinda blew himself out of style with the way he acted. So apparently, his own guys got tired of his crap. They're the ones that turned him in. So yeah, it did get us somewhere.
You may or may not have prevented any deaths at all.
Coulda woulda shoulda but didn't. The world doesn't deal in maybes. It deals with what is, and what isn't. The guy is dead. He led a large insurgency operation that, previous to his arrival in Iraq, did not exist on that scale. It is now leaderless. This guy PERSONALLY killed hostages (it's a fact, go look it up) - he won't be doing that again. He personally selected many of the targets that his fighters hit (also a fact, go look that up). It's not like he would have decided tomorrow to give up and quit. You're absolutely retarded if you believe he wouldn't have ever killed anyone else.
Would any of these deaths happened if we never invaded at all?
Why don't you ask the families of countless people who disappeared under Saddam's regime? How about ask the survivors of the Iraqi government assaults? Maybe there'd be no deaths of people that died as a result of the war - or maybe they would. Saddam wasn't exactly polite and respectful of the citizens of his country.
Why don't you go hire that John Edwards psychic dude, or Sylvia Brown, and ask them to find out from the dead people? Because otherwise, you're asking rhetorical questions that you don't know the answer to. And yeah, neither do we - but having been there, I can answer them with my opinion, which is based largely in fact, research, and first-hand knowledge.
xmodum
2006-06-09, 08:58 PM
Politics 4tl.
Giovanni
2006-06-09, 10:06 PM
Politics 4tl.
Because after all! Your live is not affected by politics right? :rolleyes:
Firefly
2006-06-09, 10:55 PM
Politics 4tl.
Common sense for the win. Politics has nothing to do with it.
xmodum
2006-06-10, 12:33 AM
Can you feel the love?
Jesus christ.
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