[Not Political Debate] So.. World War III

[Hamma]

So who wants to take bets on when WWIII will get under way? I think its only a matter of a few weeks at this point.

[SecondRaven]

So who wants to take bets on when WWIII will get under way? I think its only a matter of a few weeks at this point. :lol:

I find it very sad that you are taking bets on when WWIII will start. That just like taking bets on when soldiers get to start losing there life�s...

[Hamma]

:rofl:

No if I was doing that then I would have made the thread title:

[Not Political Debate] So.. When will soldiers die.

Dont be a dumbass. You have to admit we are fucked, dont try and make the thread about something it is not. The thread is about the current state of world affairs, not about a lottery about who will die next.

[SecondRaven]

*sigh* I think its you who should not be the dumbass, WWIII is not a laughing matter and putting bets on when it will start is just the most outrageous thing you can do.

[Hamma]

Maybe for you.. there are plenty more outrageous things I could do. I could start posting photos, articles etc. The current state of world affairs certainly seems like its leading up to another WW.

Lighten up already, just because you are in the military now doesent mean that everyone around you is ignorant to the world or our soldiers. I have family and many friends in the military, do you think I want them to all travel overseas and die? I am well aware just like you are of what it involves and the things that are at risk. Just because I make a thread like this doesent mean I am a dumbass or don't understand the ramifications of such a war...

If there is a WWIII I could be drafted, along with many others on this forum. So you are right it is a serious matter, there is no reason not to talk about it.

[Giovanni]

My god SR your a fucking twat. I remember you being a fucking pussy before but ever since you joined the army you've been an even bigger pussy. All you do is whine, all the time.

As for the subject of this thread... it should'nt be long before all hell breaks loose. I don't beleive it's gonna be a WW right off the bat thought... it's gonna start with a full blown out war in Israel then those who side with them will start attacking too... and those who side against will start attacking and it will gently grow into a fiasco.

All thanks to Bush none-the-less. I'm still taking my steps to join the infantry... I just don't know if my carreer is gonna last that long since we have a new leader (Harper) who is in all manners a mini-Bush. Our military all of sudden stopped being picky, is recruiting en masse and just got 5 billion from the current administration.

With any luck, things will die down... if not. Blood will be shed and a whole lot of it.

[Setari]

I figured this was a joke thread... guess not.

[Lonehunter]

I'm Thinking December 16, 2042

[Rbstr]

My god SR your a fucking twat. I remember you being a fucking pussy before but ever since you joined the army you've been an even bigger pussy. All you do is whine, all the time.

.... :rofl: Gio, you've got very little room to talk.
Raven, you can also quit being so self-righteous, it's just as bad.


Anyway...WWIII. It's not going to happen in a traditional WW2, Korea or even Gulf I sence. All conflict we're going to see are Iraq style invasions and insurgent and terrorist action. Military victory against nearly any of the countries we could go to war with will come incredibly fast, but then the region would remain unstable and devolve into guerilla fighting and civil war.

The US military is SO much more capable than all the players in the middle east, besides Isreal(who would be on our side unless something bat-shit-insane happens). We would steamroll any countries military, and topple the government in a flash. Then we would have to deal with the terrorism and violence that we spawned.

If a war with china ever came about things would be scary I've got no clue how it would work.

The US would probably end up broke because we can't support out war machine without considerable supplies of raw materials we probably don't have availible here.

China on the other hand is in a possition to be self sufficient, They could take over Siberia and it's oil reserves, and with all that land mass they probably have a good bit of the natural rescources that are needed.


Also lonehunter: it'll be June 28, 2014 your thinking WWIV

[Strygun]

I was going to contribute to this thread, but it's just become a flame fest. I'll avoid this one.

[Ivan]

WWIII will be started by the Army of Silly Walks.

http://www.english-atheist.co.uk/sw.jpg

[Hamma]

:lol:

I was going to contribute to this thread, but it's just become a flame fest. I'll avoid this one.

bah it was one, but its better now. You have never seen a real flamefest :p

[SecondRaven]

im done bitching so go ahead strygun feel free to comment.

[Strygun]

I don't think this will become a World War as we currently know it. I do think that this will become a war, but the US will try as hard as it can to not get involved. Of course, that won't work because the US will never let Israel get destroyed.

The world is in a sad state right now. There's not much that will prevent further destruction unless Jesus comes back soon.

[Giovanni]

I think t-shirt hell said it best: "If jesus comes back we'll kill him again!"

He would probably be taken for a loony, locked up and beat up by asylum guards.

Oh and Rob... why do I have little room to talk? I used to be a pussy, yes. BUT! Seen me whine lately?

Edit: Now as far as the US trying to not get involved... I doubt it. I'm pretty damn sure that's a moot point. Your current administration doesn't really care for letting something run it's course, we've had the proof in Iraq and Afghanistan. It started off with Bin Laden, then out of nowhere they made they advanced on Iraq to "liberate" it. What's to stop Bush to do the same with any other country?

Anyways I'm sort of tired right now... I'll put my thought in a word document and eventually put it up here.

[Mag-Mower]

Im placing my bet on 3 years or less. Israel attacking UN Peacekeepers wasnt such a good idea, in my opinion.

[Hamma]

:lol: I was drinking with J-dawg last night he said he doesent want anything to do with this fucking mess.

[Kikinchikin]

To be honest, and it may be wishful thinking, but I don't think the US will get involved in Israel, namely due to how badly the Iraq war has been received. Sure Bush may not care, but Congress certainly does, and I believe the amount of support he's lost now outweighs the amount he still has. Of course this is all barring another incident actually involving the US specifically.

Either way, I'm not going to buy into the doomsday crowd's beliefs. This situation won't start World War III. Call it optimistic thinking, but I think the Cold War effectively stifled any notions of another world war, since it would almost certainly have nuclear reprocussions. Mutual Assured Destruction anyone?

[Ivan]

:lol: I was drinking with J-dawg last night he said he doesent want anything to do with this fucking mess.

Yeah you guys had way too much to drink.

http://wiki.yak.net/211.m/virgil-663c.jpg

[Derfud]

I dont think there will be a WW3 soon. Israel is aggressive, which is the reason they are in a war every decade. Besides, any nation that is a world power would not start attacking another world power, because they know that nothing could be gained from it, as that would probably mean intervention from other nations.

[TX3RN0BILL]

Well, since everybody is allowed to say his true oppinion on this, mine as well give my own...

I don't think that this Middle East crap will cause a WWIII. I mean, if it weren't for the oil, the whole world wouldn't give more shit about a conflict there than a conflict in Africa or some other godforsaken place nobody but the locals really care. Then again, conflicts have been going on there for a long time now - and now there's a new one. Sure it's a bit bigger perhaps than what's been going on in the most recent years, but there's already been one war where Israel was facing all the so-called "bad boys" of the middle eastern bloc (the arabs). If any other country besides those in the Middle East is to be blamed for any mess going on there, it's the UK anyway - read your history and check on what really happened around WWI about there. The worst case scenario of that conflict is: Israel invades Lebanon, then goes on to Syria, and to get to Iran, has to march through Iraq. Iran in the mean time acquires nukes through whichever shady means and throws some around there - they don't like the israelis, they don't like the iraqis, and they definitely don't like the american troops stationed in Iraq either, so getting those killed in the process is almost like a "bonus sent from Allah!". Of course, Israel also brings its nukes into play, and since both sides are radicalized, the whole Middle East will be turned into a nuclear wasteland. Which will finally force the whole world to become less dependant on oil - see, not everything is bad.

The only thing I can think of that can set off a WW3 is a conflict between the "west" and China.

[Kyonye]

Im placing my bet on 3 years or less. Israel attacking UN Peacekeepers wasnt such a good idea, in my opinion.

You act as if they meant to do it. They couldn't have apologized anymore.


I don't feel another World War will come about for a long time. before the vietnam war, the citizen's never really saw what happened during war time. now with the technology's of today, we all see what exactly happens. people will not allow for a world war, in this day and age. I just don't see another World War happpening in a long time. Of course, I could be wrong, but I will stick to my word.

[TX3RN0BILL]

You act as if they meant to do it. They couldn't have apologized anymore.

Oh, and firing a LASER-GUIDED BOMB at a target, hitting it dead on, isn't meaning to hit a target? Then by all means, please tell me what it is to really mean to hit a target... The UN requested 10 times that the Israelis stopped shelling the area, and still they didn't stop...

As if an apology would make everything right...

I guess history keeps repeating itself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qana_shelling

[LimpBIT]

Im guessing a world war will ensue very soon. The state of unrest amongst the world is just a sign everyone wants to blow up everyone else. Personally, over the past year I have gone from pro-war, to strictly anti-war(despite my radical skinhead conservatism). Not to say im a democrat or anything. War is necessary at times, but right now its just a slaughter fest. Ill give it 2 years tops before people get pissed off enough to launch some missiles at us.

[TX3RN0BILL]

LimpBIT, first you'll have to invent SkyNET, THEN everything will go to hell... :brow:

[Kyonye]

Oh, and firing a LASER-GUIDED BOMB at a target, hitting it dead on, isn't meaning to hit a target? Then by all means, please tell me what it is to really mean to hit a target... The UN requested 10 times that the Israelis stopped shelling the area, and still they didn't stop...

As if an apology would make everything right...

I guess history keeps repeating itself...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qana_shelling

War is war. What I am saying is that they didn't aim for the U.N. Do you actually think they would aim at the U.N. Mistakes are made in war, and Israel will regret it. they are there to stop hezbollah, and nothing else. if they hit something, or someone that isn't hezbollah, it isn't on purpose. Unlike Hezbollah, Israel doesn't actually use their own citizen's for shielding purposes.

[Mag-Mower]

Yea, but after many requests "Uhh, Israel, this is the UN, could you stop shelling us, kthxbai" if it was an accident, they should have stopped on the 1st request. From What I gathered on the attack on the UN:

-6 hours of shelling
-Was clearly marked UN
-radio requests to stop
-laser guided missle hits it.

I wouldnt exactly call that an accident...

[Kikinchikin]

The more and more I think about it, global affairs really aren't much different from high school. Everyone involved loves to over-dramatize the situation to the point where a mole hill becomes a mountain. And in this case you can equate Israel to the nerdy kid who brings a gun to school. They finally snapped.

[Red October]

War is war. What I am saying is that they didn't aim for the U.N. Do you actually think they would aim at the U.N.


Ummm.....YES.

During the Six day way they attacked a US Communication vessel....they of course "apologized" and stated that the vessel wasn't clearly marked...despite:

It was showing US colors pretty bright.
It was the middle of the day.
Israeli sea vessels and aircraft has already checked the US vessel out.
The ship was contacting Israel directly during the attack to cease firing.

Most belive that they "accidental" attack occured so they could sieze the Golan Hieghts area. The US was watching the communications and would have told Israel to stand down from taking the Golan Hieghts....so...if the US doesnt' know what Israel is doing....well...

As for WW3, depends. If another "accidental" attack occurs say in Syria...or if Israel pushed too far north, Lebanon has already stated they would use thier army to defend itself (long as thier invasion stays in Hezzbollah territory...no worries)....then Syria may get involved...then Iran.

Remember Iran is surrounded by US forces both east and west of it....plus the pressure they have been getting diplomatically, they may be thinking....damned if we do...damned if we don't....lets go down with a bang. This could erupt in a big way and in a bad way. Particularly when as significant population of many other arab nations have a strong anti US sentiment. IF chaos ensues...then US troops may have to intervene...as Hezzbollah has already proven...air power and bombs wont do the job.

Then the factor X that will cause WW3....N. Korea. They may see thier government coming to and end no matter what and decide also to go out with a bang. If the US is heavily and militarily involved in a massive Mid-East war, guess what they may do? Turn Seoul into a wasteland, nuke Japan, etc. Then the shit hits the fan. But thats if all the stupidity occurs and all the correct stupid intervals....never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

[Giovanni]

To be honest... I doubt Kim Jung Il will do anything... he's like a seven year old doing a handstand saying "Look what I can do!". I am unimpressed by his demonstration of long range missiles...

In fact if they use a nuclear missile on anyone... they can kiss their asses goodbye because I'm 100% sure that anybody that's armed will act. They would be nuked by X number of people... it would be suicide.

[Kikinchikin]

North Korea, despite their claims, barely has enough technology to build a nuke, much less use it against someone. They are all bark and no bite.

[Giovanni]

Wich is why we should not care about them. The goverment should know that by now, indifference is their biggest tool, if they stop giving a crap about him he'll shut the fuck up. Just like that bully that makes fun of you because your fat or because you have glasses. After all indifference worked with americas population why shouldn't it work with other nations?

[Setari]

They are led by "the angry little guy with the bouffant hairdo."

[Kikinchikin]

HANS BRIX!

[Ivan]

HANS BRIX!

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/hans.jpg

[kurushio95]

http://nkoreawar.ytmnd.com/

my money's on anytime in the next 7 years

[Mag-Mower]

I also heard somewhere that "Russia is ready for an other arms race" And I have also heard that they "Are Encouraging Iran".

[LimpBIT]

fuck russia :)

[Peacemaker]

To be perfectly fucking honest... this world needs to see the horrors of a nuclear attack again. Its like god damn clock work for this foolish race we call humanity. We all learn what will be wrought should a certain series of events happen... 10, 20, 100 years later we become arrogant fucktards who cant take their foot out of their ass. If I could Id pull all US assets, people, equipment out and litterly glass the fucking place. Who is going to stop us? They would eventualy do it them selfs, and take others with them. They would keep fighting. Its all they fucking do. Kill eachother. I give it two options...

1. We sit back and watch the pretty lights, hope we dont get in the cross fire, and hope to fucking god they figure out that nuking eachother is over the edge.

2. We sit back and make pretty lights. EVERYWHERE. Glass the fucking place like I said, at the least, nuke some fucker over there and basicly say "OK. EVERYONE. SIT DOWN. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP FIGHTING EACHOTHER OR WE ARE GOING TO KILL ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS." Im fucking sick of it. Its all they do. Why not skip the wait and take them all out in one clean sweep. Half the world would be glad it was finally over.

[Ivan]

I also heard somewhere that "Russia is ready for an other arms race" And I have also heard that they "Are Encouraging Iran".

Arms race = economic boom. Anyone would love a arms race.

[LimpBIT]

2. We sit back and make pretty lights. EVERYWHERE. Glass the fucking place like I said, at the least, nuke some fucker over there and basicly say "OK. EVERYONE. SIT DOWN. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP FIGHTING EACHOTHER OR WE ARE GOING TO KILL ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS." Im fucking sick of it. Its all they do. Why not skip the wait and take them all out in one clean sweep. Half the world would be glad it was finally over.

I vote for Peacemaker for president. There is no sense in letting ourselves get caught in the crossfire. They can die now by someone elses hand or die in 100 years by their own hands while taking millions of innocent lives with them. You decide:rolleyes:

[Red October]

To be honest... I doubt Kim Jung Il will do anything... he's like a seven year old doing a handstand saying "Look what I can do!". I am unimpressed by his demonstration of long range missiles...

In fact if they use a nuclear missile on anyone... they can kiss their asses goodbye because I'm 100% sure that anybody that's armed will act. They would be nuked by X number of people... it would be suicide.

Ummm..Nuking N. Korea is not a good idea. China just may have a problem with that (particularly since the fallout may hit them). Thankfully, there the ones holding N. Korea at bay...China doesnt want any shit at thier door...but like I said...never underestimate the power of stupidity. IF N. Korea launches a nuke....kiss S. Korea goodbye and a portion of Japan. But China will be ther first to destroy N. Korea. Unless of course China says "screw you all" and uses this as way to take Taiwan and give N. Korea thier blessing...then we can talk fucked over. We can't nuke China without hurting Russia...so if we did...they may nuke Mexico...hmmm...not a bad idea...j/k

Speaking of Russia, thier giving the US shit because we gave them shit. They wanted in to the WTO...we said kiss our ass, then we will let you in. They said fuck you, we will then arm your enemies and make sure we fuck you over whenever we can.

Bullshit aside...what were seeing today is a waning of US Power and influence in the world....and the EU and Russia jockying to fill the gap and helping along the demise of US influence. The Cold War is gone and a new set rules have been set up....and the US is not doing a good job of playing the new game.

[Peacemaker]

I think your over estimating the power of these nuclear weapons man. We arnt talking about 400 gigaton bombs that wipe out 10,000 square miles in a blast. Especialy the shit the Koreans are making. I doubt they can make a gigaton weapon. Even if they did, a 10 gigaton warhead would do about 100 square miles of direct damage. 10 gig is average these days from what Ive seen. Smaller tactical weapons can be used to wipe out a country like North Korea without making a fart worth of radiation in china. One of the big mother fucker ICBMs from the cold war, one of those suckers will make a serious pimple on someones face but it wont wipe out all of S Korea and part of japan.

Russia is feeling all badass, thinking they are back to being a super power. They are far from it.

China doesnt have the ability to project power and thusly the US Navy and Airforce will pick them apart.

The EU on the other hand IS gaining influence, but wont be doing anything to disrupt the power flow right now. The world is much to unstable to do anything like that.

[Baneblade]

Machetes will do more killing in WW 3.0 than MWDs will.

[Hamma]

Sadly the problem in the world is that everyone wants us to come in and solve their problems. When we do that everyone else hates us for it. Thus it is a double edged sword, we are fucked if we do and fucked if we dont.

I know I didnt want this to become political but we need to get the fuck rid of GWB, not only for our own sake but for the entire world America under GWB is hated by everyone on the planet. :lol:

[Sentrosi]

North Korea, despite their claims, barely has enough technology to build a nuke, much less use it against someone. They are all bark and no bite.

It only takes one nuke though. One well placed nuke and you could put a LOT of hurt on your enemy. Besides, Japan knows first hand what a nuke does, and that was over 50 years ago. Technology has definitely changed since then. Think they want North Korea with nukes? I love Godzilla like any other mutated lizard, but I don't think Japan could handle two of them.

[Infernus]

This thread started sucking from like... the point where it started getting taken seriously.

[Kikinchikin]

To be perfectly fucking honest... this world needs to see the horrors of a nuclear attack again. Its like god damn clock work for this foolish race we call humanity. We all learn what will be wrought should a certain series of events happen... 10, 20, 100 years later we become arrogant fucktards who cant take their foot out of their ass. If I could Id pull all US assets, people, equipment out and litterly glass the fucking place. Who is going to stop us? They would eventualy do it them selfs, and take others with them. They would keep fighting. Its all they fucking do. Kill eachother. I give it two options...

1. We sit back and watch the pretty lights, hope we dont get in the cross fire, and hope to fucking god they figure out that nuking eachother is over the edge.

2. We sit back and make pretty lights. EVERYWHERE. Glass the fucking place like I said, at the least, nuke some fucker over there and basicly say "OK. EVERYONE. SIT DOWN. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP FIGHTING EACHOTHER OR WE ARE GOING TO KILL ALL YOU MOTHER FUCKERS." Im fucking sick of it. Its all they do. Why not skip the wait and take them all out in one clean sweep. Half the world would be glad it was finally over.

And the other half would have already retaliated en masse. The idea that we should just get it over with and blow up the entire middle east thus supposedly erasing the entire problem is a foolish one and sadly also one that too many Americans advocate. Like I said, I don't forsee anything large scale on the horizon for a long time, not from the middle east, not from North Korea, not from China or Russia. The only way something is going to happen is if we start it, thus causing a domino effect. Half the warhawks that continue to say we're on the cusp of a global conflict are just dickheads that still have a 13-year old's view on what war really is.

[kurushio95]

if anything starts that has a direct impact on the US (other than Irag and Afghanistan), it'll be North Korea or Mexico.korea for their "nuclear program" and mexico over the whole illegal immigrant deal. vicente isn't happy about the US putting troops on teh Us-Mexico border

[MattxMosh]

if anything starts that has a direct impact on the US (other than Irag and Afghanistan), it'll be North Korea or Mexico.korea for their "nuclear program" and mexico over the whole illegal immigrant deal. vicente isn't happy about the US putting troops on teh Us-Mexico border

Lets just bomb mexico to hell. Then we wont need troops on the border if they are all dead.

[BUGGER]

But....I wont have any gardeners anymore....

It wont be WWIII, it'll be like a different version of the cold war with different rules as stated above.....just instead of everyone hating Russia, USA or Asia will be the hated ones.


Otherwise I really hope there will be no big war until i'm dead or when we settle on something else other than Earth.

[internetn]

Peace your post was so awesome..

Its funny.. The Liberals want to be Socialists and the Conservatives want to be God Fearing Capitalists (impossible).

We will be to divided to do anything after GWB is kicked out. I don't really like him anymore but you've got to hand it to him, when he wants to do something he damn well does it. We'll have a democratic Prez next and we will try to be friendly to the rest of the world.. and all hippy-ish.

So I vote no WW3, only cause the wanna be socialists want to spoil it. (Disclaimer) unless we are attacked first, then we'll be making country songs about kicking the bad guys asses and the statue of liberty shaking her fist and what not.