How many rednecks can you fit on a wrangler?

[Peacemaker]

One gives us drunkards the idea....
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3
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4
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9862/1000629zf7.th.jpg (http://img177.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1000629zf7.jpg)
.... Im going to need more rednecks.

God I love being a hick.

[Infernus]

Answer: Surely, not enough.

By the way, the Confederacy is dead, quite dead. They lost the war that they started, got their asses handed to them in the end (just ask any one from Georgia). Even their money isn't worth anything as a collectors item.

[Peacemaker]

Oh we know that. Its just the spirit of rebels. Besides, with the way Bush is going half the people I know sorta want to rebel and end the government as given our rights by the Declaration of Independence. I honestly believe the same thing, the current government is starting to fail. Its becoming too common place to just stagnate on something for years and years. Decisions have to made quickly sometimes. Our government is anything but quick.

In my eyes the flag represents everything American. Free speech being way the hell up there. The freedom to live by what you believe in (no not racism). It no longer symbolizes the Confederation. It represents the mind set of a people, that being that the way our country is, is absolutely revolting. Revolting in the way drugs rule the streets instead of the cops. Revolting how murder, rape, and, theft are statistics instead of atrocities in a broad view. Also in my opinion revolting that people are judged and segregated based on religion, race, and sexual orientation.

Yes! You read it here. I am NOT racist. I hate racists. Racists are arrogant. Racists are *******. The word ****** means arrogant. Thats how I use it.

Anyways.... back to the subject at hand. The flag isn't a symbol of the South or Slavery for everyone. For some, such as my self, its a symbol of America.

[Infernus]

I fully agree, but 9 out of 10 people that fly that flag don't think that way.

[Derfud]

Why revolt with an election coming up so soon?

[Rbstr]

end the government as given our rights by the Declaration of Independence.


The declaration of independence doesn't actually give us any rights. :p


Anywho: The flag is still a symbol of oppression. You can't just take that away.
Just like the swastika - just becasue you want it to mean something else doesn't mean it's going to.

I understand your point, but the flag still carries it's racist symbolism with our collective psyche.

[Infernus]

Why revolt with an election coming up so soon?

Because the democrats don't have a snowflake's chance in hell of winning.

And moderate republicans have about the same odds for getting nominated.

Personally (and yes, this may well be the apocalypse) I'm supporting Ron Paul (R - Texas). He has a good stand on most of the issues that matter to me, and isn't a right wing nut job. Unfortunately, it'll never happen, as I said, he's not a right wing nut job.

[Rbstr]

Because the democrats don't have a snowflake's chance in hell of winning.

And moderate republicans have about the same odds for getting nominated.

Personally (and yes, this may well be the apocalypse) I'm supporting Ron Paul (R - Texas). He has a good stand on most of the issues that matter to me, and isn't a right wing nut job. Unfortunately, it'll never happen, as I said, he's not a right wing nut job.


There are two words that should make you not support him, or gravell(the other internet favorite):
Fair Tax.

A regressive tax is not what you want to base a progressive tax system on.

[Infernus]

Yeah, but from my point of view, no one is better.

You have Clinton and Obama on one side and "The Hero of New York" on the other. The entire thing makes me sick, and I at least have some closure in that the candidate I'm supporting is the best candidate from my point of view.

It's the lesser of two evils, seems to be a going theme recently.

[Hamma]

Pretty much the lesser of evils sadly..

We are fucked either way. :\

[Rbstr]

I personally like Obama.

He's a very smart guy, and he's at least good at pretending he's different from the standard fair candidate.

I wish he'd find a backbone and come out stronger against special interests and the war.

I can't support hillary, even though I quite like Bill, she's a bitch, TBH.

[Peacemaker]

Obama? The guy has like zero political experience. Its like he fell out of the sky, decided he was the only educated black man on the planet and screamed "I SHALL BE PRESIDENT!" and some retard thought it was a good idea.

Im really getting sick of all these shitty candidates. In 1776 look at all those great leaders we had in the country. Now 235 years later we have oooh idk 200x the population but we cant find ONE good leader? Wtf?

[Giovanni]

0 political experience?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Read...

[Rbstr]

Im really getting sick of all these shitty candidates. In 1776 look at all those great leaders we had in the country. Now 235 years later we have oooh idk 200x the population but we cant find ONE good leader? Wtf?

That's simply not that case. Our leaders of old have been idealized to a very very large extent.

[Infernus]

That's simply not that case. Our leaders of old have been idealized to a very very large extent.

Indeed. Most of them were business men, trying to protect business interests, not politicians. And all of them made mistakes.

And Obama presidency is a pipe-dream. To say that he has no political background is totally outrageous; his 2004 DNC keynote was amazing, and I throughly enjoyed it. But he has a lot against him.


Tradition - The last Junior Senator to win a presidential election was JFK. He was also the last senator (period) to win a presidential election. He also came from a very strong political family, and had extremely strong connections (including, but not limited to: the Roosevelt family, former president Truman, and Senator Joseph McCarthy). All of this was combined with a proven strength in history - Profiles in Courage won a 1957 Pulitzer Prize, as well as charisma with both young and old voters.
Race - Like it or not, when it comes right down to it racism still exists. And Barack Obama is quite black.
The Democratic Party - The Democratic party is virtually destroyed, there is no cohesion and they continue to find ways to alienate voters by taking more and more radical stances. Their other candidates, no matter how much they may be disliked are also bigger names with the man on the street. EVERYONE knows who Hillary Clinton is, NOT EVERYONE knows that she's a huge bitch.
The Republican Party - The Republicans, although they may not hold a majority in the congress, still hold an ideological majority with the American people. More Americans sympathize with moderate-conservative ideology than they sympathize with the radical-liberal ideology that most democrats spews. (For fuck sake, I sympathize more with conservative ideology than I do with most democrats.) Also, the Republicans know how to campaign. They go totally radical to get their nominations and then they move to the center to get the presidency and then they go totally radical again. (The democrats stay basically radical). Also, the Democrats don't seem nearly as grown up as the Republicans, which has a large effect on public perception.


I'm not saying I will support the Republican party if some idiot like Giuliani gets the nomination, but I most definitely would support McCain or Paul over the likely Democratic contester (who will undoubtably be a total radical with the way that party leadership works).

And before someone says that "Democrats have a better sense of the world," don't be stupid. The average Democrat man on the street cares about the same amount as the average Republican man on the street. If you believe, for a second, that most voters care about the actual issues, then you need a reality check. Most voters only care about whether the man they are voting for is an elephant or an ass.

EDIT: Paul has one thing going for him that I like best, he may be registered Republican but he is essentially Libertarian. He takes an excellent stand on the biggest issue I care about. He won't have me running around yelling about being gay and forcing it down other people's throats. At the same time, while he personally is against it, he doesn't believe it is the right of the government to rule on the issue. Unfortunately for me, 9 out 10 ******* run around wearing leather and carrying rainbow flags and make me want to puke.

[Baneblade]

If all things had been right in the world...the Confederacy would have won.

But for different reasons than the ones they wanted to win for.

[Infernus]

If all things had been right in the world...the Confederacy would have won.

But for different reasons than the ones they wanted to win for.

Indeed. If the had won, the rest of us would look a lot less like fools. I'm pretty sure Abraham Lincoln is quite upset that he wasted so much time trying to keep the south in the union.

[Infernus]

If all things had been right in the world...the Confederacy would have won.

But for different reasons than the ones they wanted to win for.

Indeed. If the had won, the rest of us would look a lot less like fools. I'm pretty sure Abraham Lincoln is quite upset that he wasted so much time trying to keep the south in the union.

[Peacemaker]

-_- This thread got sooo derailed.

[Baneblade]

Indeed. If the had won, the rest of us would look a lot less like fools. I'm pretty sure Abraham Lincoln is quite upset that he wasted so much time trying to keep the south in the union.

The death of the Confederacy saw the death of State's Rights...and empowered the Federal Government to run everyday life and dictate to the states what they could do in their own state.

[Peacemaker]

Heh, the drinking age would still be 18, Pot would be legalized, and there wouldnt be much in the way of speed limits being 55 everywhere.

[Infernus]

The death of the Confederacy saw the death of State's Rights...and empowered the Federal Government to run everyday life and dictate to the states what they could do in their own state.

And, as it would later happen, the ability for a person to subjugate another person based on a perceived difference.

While I admit, it was a large blow to states rights, its the equivalent of saying "Hitler was a good guy because he pressed for the development of the volkswagen.

[Baneblade]

Slavery would have died anyway. It wasn't a cold issue.

Hitler has nothing in common with this scenario. If anything he represented the North in strict terms.

[Rbstr]

"You can't compare this to Hitler!"
It's analogous at the very least, and a good basis for comparison.
Hitler comparisons are easy to understand because everyone knows about him.

"But it's not a serious!!!!eleventy"
That's why it's an called analogy.


Slavery still exists in places to this day...To say that it would have died out anyway is a ridiculous leap.

[Baneblade]

No its not, slavery was on the way down even in the south as it was. The Civil War has zero to do with slavery. And frankly, even if the south won slavery would have been defeated the right way...at the state level.

[Rbstr]

Any evidence? At all, or is it just wild conjecture, as it appears to be?
(I've got some to the contrary, like the so called "bleeding kansas", or sharecropping after the war and jim crow laws[essentially slavery under another name]?)

[Peacemaker]

Slavery wasnt worth it maybe? If you do some research you find it would have been cheaper to hire workers than have slaves.

[Rbstr]

Find that research. 'Cause I'm not seeing it anywhere.

[Giovanni]

Slaves...

You put them up in a shack and feed them semi-properly... you can scare them shitless so they work faster and whip one as an example...

Labor...

You pay them for every day they spend working for you and they can quit/give you lip and they aren't afraid of you. Ah and you can't hit them... They can come in to work late...


How the fuck is labor cheaper? Well... unless they're Mexicans...

[Infernus]

Slavery would have died anyway. It wasn't a cold issue.

I had a fairly large post constructed, and then my aunt's computer crashed and I lost it.

Any way, thats retarded to say that, slavery was a huge cause. Specific examples: The Election of 1860, Bleeding Kansas, The Compromise of 1850 (especially: the fugitive slave act of 1850).

Slavery was an underlying in issue in all of the main causes of the Civil War. Other then being a HUGE basic cause in itself; it was an underlying cause of the sectionalism that divided the union. Other causes were, indeed, the issue of federalism (or states vs. federal rights) which was rotated around the issue of slavery at its core; economical issues (farms in the south vs. factories in the north); party politics (the Pro-Slavery, Pro-South Democrats vs the Anti-Slavery Pro-North Whigs and later the Democrats vs the Anti-Slavery Republicans); and (in tying back in with the Compromise of 1850) expansionism such as the addition of new territories and states after the Mexican-American war (and the issues regarding how they would be admitted to the union).

Would slavery have died? Yes, quite possibly, it eventually did in most of the rest of the world. Was it still a polarizing issue? YES! To marginalize it shows a lack of grasp on reality.

Hitler has nothing in common with this scenario. If anything he represented the North in strict terms.

You don't understand the common use of analogy? Thats what that was. I was comparing Hitler to the south, and then mocking your argument by saying that the South supported states rights and Hitler supported the rights of drivers.

[GeneralRazor]

Damn...I've only read the first page and I'm ready to hop all over this.

let me read...

[Infernus]

Damn...I've only read the first page and I'm ready to hop all over this.

let me read...

Who are you?

[GeneralRazor]

Oh we know that. Its just the spirit of rebels. Besides, with the way Bush is going half the people I know sorta want to rebel and end the government as given our rights by the Declaration of Independence. I honestly believe the same thing, the current government is starting to fail. Its becoming too common place to just stagnate on something for years and years. Decisions have to made quickly sometimes. Our government is anything but quick.

In my eyes the flag represents everything American. Free speech being way the hell up there. The freedom to live by what you believe in (no not racism). It no longer symbolizes the Confederation. It represents the mind set of a people, that being that the way our country is, is absolutely revolting. Revolting in the way drugs rule the streets instead of the cops. Revolting how murder, rape, and, theft are statistics instead of atrocities in a broad view. Also in my opinion revolting that people are judged and segregated based on religion, race, and sexual orientation.

Yes! You read it here. I am NOT racist. I hate racists. Racists are arrogant. Racists are *******. The word ****** means arrogant. Thats how I use it.

Anyways.... back to the subject at hand. The flag isn't a symbol of the South or Slavery for everyone. For some, such as my self, its a symbol of America.

DOES ANYONE BUY THIS BULLSHIT? ALOT OF HIPPOCRITACLE TALK.

[GeneralRazor]

Who are you?

Who are you?

[Rbstr]

Sorry I can't help it:
But is a Hippocritacle some kind of radioactive Hippopotamus that's about to melt down and explode?

http://www.birdsasart.com/Hippo-Yawn.jpg
:p

Anywho, I understand what peace wants to say and do and how he feels about it. He however has our culture's symbology against him.

[Infernus]

Who are you?

Jefferson Davis. Continue Pls.

[Hamma]

HIPPOCRITACLE .

[GeneralRazor]

Oh we know that. Its just the spirit of rebels. Besides, with the way Bush is going half the people I know sorta want to rebel and end the government as given our rights by the Declaration of Independence. I honestly believe the same thing, the current government is starting to fail. Its becoming too common place to just stagnate on something for years and years. Decisions have to made quickly sometimes. Our government is anything but quick.

In my eyes the flag represents everything American. Free speech being way the hell up there. The freedom to live by what you believe in (no not racism). It no longer symbolizes the Confederation. It represents the mind set of a people, that being that the way our country is, is absolutely revolting. Revolting in the way drugs rule the streets instead of the cops. Revolting how murder, rape, and, theft are statistics instead of atrocities in a broad view. Also in my opinion revolting that people are judged and segregated based on religion, race, and sexual orientation.

Yes! You read it here. I am NOT racist. I hate racists. Racists are arrogant. Racists are *******. The word ****** means arrogant. Thats how I use it.

Anyways.... back to the subject at hand. The flag isn't a symbol of the South or Slavery for everyone. For some, such as my self, its a symbol of America.

There is only one flag. It is American. It is United. Your flag doesn't fly. It goes the same with you floating around the N word. It's a symbol of oppression. I have more respect and mind than that. I don't buy your bullshit. I'm American, White, German and Irish mutt. And although I agree with a glimmer of your idealogy, your caged in an old box that will keep you a minority. You are a minority.

Your true colors are showing "peacemaker" (lol @ the name).

[GeneralRazor]

.

Sorry I didn't meet your grammar standards. I was concentrating on the content. My first (and long) post got deleted due to website factors.

.

[Hamma]

I don't have grammar standards but I do spell check my rants hehe. :p

[Peacemaker]

Actually razor, most of the people on this board know my true colors. I am a giant egotistical, redneck, egotistical, workaholic, egotistical, asshole. Did I mention egotistical? Anyone who has gamed with me for a period of time or talked to me on TS might call me racist. I let it slide cause I don't care.

If I shout white pride in the mall I get called a racist. If a black person shouted it all the other black people would shout and no one would say anything. If I call a black person a ****** I get called a racist. If a black person calls me a cracker, hes not a racist. African American History month? Wheres my White American history month? Oh I'm sorry, thats racist. I guess its also racist in your eyes when one black person calls another ******. Oops, its ok, they are both black. Why? Because "******" does not mean "black". The meaning of the word has changed. I do not "float" the term ******. I use it when it is damn well deserved and even then very sparingly because of the hate mongering it brings up.

Please do not call me a "minority" if you think I am racist. Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking. Its very much part of the country. Its also on both sides of the fence (read Afirmitive Action).

And your comment about the stars and bars? Your entitled to what ever opinion you might posses, because we live in America. So am I. In my mind, that flag is just as a part of America as my States flag, I do however think the American flag IS the most important flag, however America is made up of all flags. Thats the whole god damn point, and if you dont get that, you dont get America.

One last thing, I think a lot of people on this bored would probably agree with me on a few points. Though I suck at drawing out ideas in my head to paper like this. They probably dont share all the same ideas and opinions to the same extent as I, but Ill bet a bottle of booze that they see where I am coming from and dont find my opinions racist, or outrageous.

[Infernus]

Peace, I find most of the things you say outrageous. After 3 or 4 years I've just learned to ignore it.

[Rbstr]

African American History month? Wheres my White American history month? Oh I'm sorry, thats racist.


I don't quite see it that way:
Remembering the Civil Rights Movement is very important.
I think it's inspiring to everyone to see how so many people actually got out and did something to change a very unjust system.

And a bit of food for thought:
Think about the standard history you learn in school. It really only follows the history of white western civilization (the only non-western civ. it puts forth are those that western civ. evolved from; mesopotamian things ect.)
That's all well and good considering most of us come from that background.
However, a very sizable portion of our population doesn't come from those back grounds. The only thing we learn about our African decended citizens' heritage is that they came from Africa.

[Giovanni]

Peace, as far as I know aside from black history month... every god damn other month is white history month.

To be honest. Back in high school I learned more about my Irish history then African-American history...

So yeah...

[GeneralRazor]

Actually razor, most of the people on this board know my true colors. I am a giant egotistical, redneck, egotistical, workaholic, egotistical, asshole. Did I mention egotistical? Anyone who has gamed with me for a period of time or talked to me on TS might call me racist. I let it slide cause I don't care.

If I shout white pride in the mall I get called a racist. If a black person shouted it all the other black people would shout and no one would say anything. If I call a black person a ****** I get called a racist. If a black person calls me a cracker, hes not a racist. African American History month? Wheres my White American history month? Oh I'm sorry, thats racist. I guess its also racist in your eyes when one black person calls another ******. Oops, its ok, they are both black. Why? Because "******" does not mean "black". The meaning of the word has changed. I do not "float" the term ******. I use it when it is damn well deserved and even then very sparingly because of the hate mongering it brings up.

Please do not call me a "minority" if you think I am racist. Unfortunately racism is alive and kicking. Its very much part of the country. Its also on both sides of the fence (read Afirmitive Action).

And your comment about the stars and bars? Your entitled to what ever opinion you might posses, because we live in America. So am I. In my mind, that flag is just as a part of America as my States flag, I do however think the American flag IS the most important flag, however America is made up of all flags. Thats the whole god damn point, and if you dont get that, you dont get America.

One last thing, I think a lot of people on this bored would probably agree with me on a few points. Though I suck at drawing out ideas in my head to paper like this. They probably dont share all the same ideas and opinions to the same extent as I, but Ill bet a bottle of booze that they see where I am coming from and dont find my opinions racist, or outrageous.

I don't know who your talking about on this "bored" but you don't seem to get alot of backup. Back to my original point that got you worked up. I don't aimlessly throw around the N word that you spell out (with a confederate flag nonetheless) And I have alot of people in this free land that respect, and I respect them.

And to say the American flag is made up of other flags is nonsense. Yes, this country is made up of many different ethnicities. But America is a oasis of sorts. One that many people can come to and feel welcome.

Yes, our government needs changes, and yes, the people need to stand up for them. But people like you who blur the lines cause the divide.

I think in terms of one. One world. One people. America is all about one. At least the original constitution was. Enveloping all. All incorporated.

How about this, since what I say is so outrageous... Stop using the N word.
I'm not black. But I understand where they come from. I also understand how hard it has been for them. It goes way deeper than a flag.

Throwing around the word "******" (along with that flag) means hate no matter what you say. If you have any respect for America as a whole you will erase that word from your vocabulary. Otherwise your only a minority. Most Americans don't tolerate discrimination. That's why it came into law. And if this is about a word....have some human respect and stop saying it. Because until you do, your only saying a word to envoke hate, and black people have only embraced it for that reason.

[Infernus]

Well fine then. If they can put a theoretical moral ban on the use of the word ****** (I'm not afraid to say it... ****** ****** ****** niggerbath ****** ****** ******). Then I can put a moral ban on the use of the word ******. Because, you know, that one wasn't a hate word either until it started being applied as one... sorta like the word ******.

[GeneralRazor]

It's a word and your free to use it. It's about respect. And appearently you don't get that.

[Infernus]

I get it just fine.

And out of respect, for myself and others like me, I declare that the use of homosexual epithets should be stopped.

Oh, and no more calling me a dirty **** either.

[Giovanni]

Oh shush you dirty **** ******! :p

[Infernus]

YES! I AM INDEED AN UNSHOWERED IRISH BUNDLE OF STICKS!


But atleast I'm not a ******.

[Mag-Mower]

LETS ALL JUST CALM DOWN.

[Infernus]

I'm calm.


I'm just simply saying that I see no reason to be apologetic or respectful to the people to whom the term ****** fully applies.

There is a difference between black people and *******, and ******* are just as racist as anyone that flies the confederate flag. Furthermore, they treat white people like shit... but its "OK" because we enslaved them, right? NOT RIGHT. I didn't enslave anyone, nor did my ancestors, nor did any of my friend's ancestors. (In fact, all of our ancestors got treated like crap as well when they got off the boats - but I digress) I see no reason to be apologetic or respectful to a group of people that has neither earned my respect or deserved my apology.

[GeneralRazor]

I'm calm.


I'm just simply saying that I see no reason to be apologetic or respectful to the people to whom the term ****** fully applies.

There is a difference between black people and *******, and ******* are just as racist as anyone that flies the confederate flag. Furthermore, they treat white people like shit... but its "OK" because we enslaved them, right? NOT RIGHT. I didn't enslave anyone, nor did my ancestors, nor did any of my friend's ancestors. (In fact, all of our ancestors got treated like crap as well when they got off the boats - but I digress) I see no reason to be apologetic or respectful to a group of people that has neither earned my respect or deserved my apology.

I agree to a point. But your "group of people" didn't live in a barn and get forced to breed like animals. After all, they were brought on the boat here as slaves. It took them some ~60 years just to get noticed as humans.

All that said, you have no reason to be apologetic because you haven't lived or felt that life. I'm not apologetic. But I am respectful to a "group of people" that were brought here like animals. And your idealogoy keeps it going.

By the way...their not fools. Their humans. You can say all you want, but until you see it equal, I feel your eveloped in a spiral of hate that undermines what the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is about.

War is no good. I'd shake your hand if you understood. Thats my feeling.

[GeneralRazor]

I'm calm.


I'm just simply saying that I see no reason to be apologetic or respectful to the people to whom the term ****** fully applies.

There is a difference between black people and *******, and ******* are just as racist as anyone that flies the confederate flag. Furthermore, they treat white people like shit... but its "OK" because we enslaved them, right? NOT RIGHT. I didn't enslave anyone, nor did my ancestors, nor did any of my friend's ancestors. (In fact, all of our ancestors got treated like crap as well when they got off the boats - but I digress) I see no reason to be apologetic or respectful to a group of people that has neither earned my respect or deserved my apology.

There is a difference that you don't see. Your ancestors came here on a boat too, just not with a whip, hate monger. If your trapped-minded minority plans on over throwing the government with your bullshit ways that 90% of the people don't believe...good luck
. You have a long way to go. Peace.

[GeneralRazor]

But atleast I'm not a ******.[/QUOTE]

[Rbstr]

in a haze these days
i pull up to the stoplight
i can feel that something's not right
i can feel that someone's blasting me
with hate and bass
sending dirty vibes my way
cause my great great great great grandad
made someone's great great great great grandaddy slaves
it wasn't my idea
it wasn't my idea
it never was my idea
Just came on the radio, lol.

[Peacemaker]

Haha. Regardless of what razor says, Im not racist. Much truth in Inf's post there is. If you want to ban the word ******, go ahead, most of the people who use it are in fact black. They toss the word around like it means nothing, so why cant I (I dont, I use it when it applies)?

Back to the flag issue, hate on me all you want. Just cause I fly that flag doesn't mean I'm racist. If you believe that, you sir are the hypocrite . You make the assumption that Stars and Bars = racist. Just like you think that I think that black skin = not worth anything.

And the Stars and Stripes are most defiantly symbolic of all the other flags in the country. We were also flying a NY flag and a Georgia flag. *gasp* They dont mean anything because they arnt the American flag. The American flag represents everything you see on it. 50 states, 50 stars. Some of those states were members of the Confederate States of America. That institution no longer exists, but it is still a valid flag. The flag still waves over many state capitols. It is part of the American flag because it represents states in the union that were part of the confederation.

[Baneblade]

The Confederacy wasn't about slavery at all, that was just the fulcrum. The Confederacy was about the State's right to secede. The Federal government gained most of its power when it asserted itself as the final authority in all things United States, after the Civil War.

Racism was MORE rampant after the Civil War than before it. People have to blame things on someone right? Who better than the slaves the 'War was about'.

Same thing as this whole Muslim thing...people are more inclined to generalize and be racist at the entirety of the Muslim world because of some events.

The Civil War was not about Slavery.

[Infernus]

The Civil War was not about Slavery.

You enjoy saying that don't you. If you keep saying it, maybe it'll come true.

Oh wait, thats denial, my fault.

[Rbstr]

You make the assumption that Stars and Bars = racist.

As does most the rest of the country. It is a Symbol of the confederacy and has racist undertones.

EXACTLY, in fact, like a Swastika is s symbol of Nazism and has anti-semitic undertones.


Oh and I second Inf's post about me, Sobe your borderline delusional here.

[Giovanni]

As does most the rest of the country. It is a Symbol of the confederacy and has racist undertones.

EXACTLY, in fact, like a Swastika is s symbol of Nazism and has anti-semitic undertones.



I'll have to agree with what I quoted from Rob.

If I posted a picture of me and a couple of friends waving German flags with a 3rd Reich flag mixed into it.... would you not think I was an anti-semite? Yet the swastika is a sign in alot of eastern religions.

The primary agenda of the third Reich was not mass genocide of the **** and other minorites...

Don't say it's not the same thing.... because it's practically the same... instead of genocide the south just enslaved a whole lot of people.

Don't get me wrong I hate the fact that black people can use the race card. I'll go into it deeper later on.

[Derfud]

You're all a bunch of *******.

[Peacemaker]

<3 derf :lol:

[Infernus]

You're all a bunch of *******.

I AM NOT!

We already established that I am a dirty ****.


YOU ****!

[Hamma]

How many rednecks can you fit on a wrangler?
25

[Peacemaker]

This thread can now die.

[Baneblade]

You enjoy saying that don't you. If you keep saying it, maybe it'll come true.

Oh wait, thats denial, my fault.

The South was fighting because the North was shooting them. The North was fighting because the South were seperatists.

North = Unification under strong central government

South = Independent States loosely held together under a common defense and trade government.

Ever take a US History class?

[Rbstr]

North = Unification under strong central government
I'm not so sure why you think this is bad anyway, considering it's the basis for all strong countries on the planet.




Ever take a US History class?

If you'd payed attention in that class, you'd understand that slavery was the root cause that all others revolved around.

[Infernus]

Ever take a US History class?

Multiple. In fact, one was specifically devoted to the civil war.

I imagine thats more then you can say, or are you a University Professor?

[Baneblade]

If you'd payed attention in that class, you'd understand that slavery was the root cause that all others revolved around.

I didn't say slavery was not a part of it, I said slavery was not why it happened.

There never needed to be a Civil War.

[Baneblade]

Multiple. In fact, one was specifically devoted to the civil war.

I imagine thats more then you can say, or are you a University Professor?

I might as well be, history is my passion. It's the only subject I actually enjoyed other than sex ed.

[Peacemaker]

There are a ton of different opinions on the civil war. It depends on what party the school you are in, if slavery caused the civil war. Ive taken alot of history classes and in all of them the professors have talked about how slavery was a scapegoat and thats all, I tend to agree. Slavery was a scape goat for a war that was started for many different reasons, much like the war in Iraq has been rumored to be started for oil.

[Ait'al]

I don't have grammar standards but I do spell check my rants hehe. :p

Also, he removed the spellcheck function from the forum, because he knew he would be one of the few people who would keep a program to do it, to make himself feel superior.

And 26

[Hamma]

:huh:

Firefox has a built in spellcheck :brow:

[Peacemaker]

Indeed. It has pointed out a lot of spelling errors I have been making that I didn't notice, or didn't really care. I just wish it had an auto apostrophe, cause typing out the ' is lame.

[Rbstr]

Then do not use contractions, or possessives.

It should be easy enough

[Baneblade]

You cant do that, thats Sobes priviledge.

[Infernus]

I sometimes jump up and down on my roommate's bed, naked, doing the helicopter with my penis.

[Peacemaker]

I sometimes jump up and down on my roommate, naked, doing the helicopter with my penis.

Fixed.

[Ait'al]

I thought I was the only one who knew you could the helicoptor with your penis. I do it alone laying on my bed while i'm board. I can do it without moving any other part of my body!!!

/chuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggachuggaBE EPBEEP!(this isn't much worse than the original subject! 8p)