It's 2011..

[Lorgarn]

Funny you mention it, reminds me of something totally unrelated and off-topic. I need to go down to the store and buy some chlorine disinfectant for tomorrows bottle tapping. Brewing myself a batch of brown ale. ^^

[Sentrosi]

SOE just announced the name for their next gen MMOFPS: Planetside Forever

Hail to the King baby.

[DviddLeff]

Apparently DNF is, once again, delayed.

[Lorgarn]

Apparently DNF is, once again, delayed.

Very much so, though I couldn't care less myself. I'm not interested in that game one bit.

It'll definately be a historical release day nonetheless. ^^

[Sentrosi]

I know that this game will come out. And I know we will here something soon. I just couldn't pass up the rather easy burn with Duke Nukem and Planetside Next.


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[AWP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqZTY0gjgyI&feature=player_detailpage#t=1072s

Hey thats something! Right!?

[LordReaver]

That's interesting..

[Canaris]

he's such a tease :D

[wolfkrone]

that was definitely intentional trolling from Smed :D

[Lorgarn]

lol,

He's calling it Planetside 2, I wonder...

[Hamma]

Nice. :lol:

[Raymac]

How fucking desperate am I to think that little bit is actually fairly gratifying?

[morf]

Where in the video is the mention? I'm at work and don't want to listen to 18 mins of EQ talk.

[BorisBlade]

He mentions it right at the end, if you use that link it should bring up the vid at the right time segment.

And yeah, pretty sad we are so starved for info that somethin so miniscule as just mentioning the game's name gets us all excited.

[I SandRock]

Brb i need to clean my underwear I just came spontaneously

[Sirisian]

Just got done playing Crysis 2 at 1920x1080 at the Extreme (max) settings on my new laptop. Okay now the only game I care about is Planetside Next.

[DviddLeff]

Lol, my Crysis 2 download is still going...18 hours on.

[I SandRock]

Its shit anyway dont bother :p Well, maybe just the SP is good

[DviddLeff]

Lol, I have little need for MP, BFBC2 is still filling that need, along with occasional doses of PS.

[morf]

He mentions it right at the end, if you use that link it should bring up the vid at the right time segment.

Appreciate it. Android justf starts the video at the beginning. Pretty sure that Smed was just teasing us but it's interesting that he called it "planetside 2"

[Peacemaker]

Wow. What a troll.

[SgtMAD]

SOE is just stringing us along,I have to figure given the lack of anything new for almost a month now is not a good sign relative to internal development game-wise.

I think that if SOE was truly excited about the way development was going, they would be showing the fan bois more than a few renderings.

I'll bet you its behind schedule

come on,its SOE how could they not be behind schedule?

[DviddLeff]

Still a little under a week left of March, lets really start getting upset when we get to April :p

[Aractain]

Its a pretty good business decision to get some 'investment' from all the players resubbing for PS for 2-3 months before Beta imo.

[Tikuto]

Smed... I thought he was less weighted guy. Maybe this next 'moment of reconciliation' interview will make him lose weight.

[Dr Pwnacious]

I cant help but think that development has beend delayed. My optimism is limited to the fact, that I believe a game will be released. Yet, I doubt it could be anytime soon. No beta wouldn't make a lot of sense due to the resubbing tactic etc. While it sucks that it's taking as long as it is, i'm satisfied with my belief that eventually I will be able to play a sequel. Content yourselves with that. I mean think of worst case scenario of there not being another one. Yeah. I cried a little too.

[Peacemaker]

What the heck is the deal with all the secrecy? Why don't they just tell us whats going on? Its not like were not going to play the game because we might have to wait 3 more months.

[Lonehunter]

The development process isn't what irritates me, it's SOE's sad excuse for PR/Marketing. Giving the community the bare minimum evidence that the game even exists, and then ignoring us completely. Then the only other information we have on the game is a couple words from an EQ video...

I think this only proves SOE's intentions, that they don't care, and I'm not being a crybaby. PS hasn't really had any more developer attention in the past few years but it has still been bringing money in. That's all the PS name is, it's free money they know they can make by paying a few employees for a couple months. PSN is probably just their next "second job" type of cash flow. It will be abandoned shortly after so they can work on APB and EQ2,4,5, infinite.

Its not like were not going to play the game because we might have to wait 3 more months.
That could actually happen with me. I'm starting to get tired of PS1, and am trying some new MMOs. There's a couple good ones I think I'll sub to, and I'll only pay for one over the summer.
Plus Old Republic is a big MMO comin up, if it ain't out by then I'll be hooked in that for a while.

[Koopak]

First off as this is my first post, HI! i'm Koop and i'm addicted to things whose acronyms are PS and have been as of *checks station launcher* 18 days ago and i'm really wishing id started playing when this thing came out.

I'd just like to say the smedly is a bigger tease than my girlfriend and that's not ok. :evil:

I'm no stranger to game development but if we don't see something concrete in next few days I politely suggest a riot. Till then i'm off to get shot by those mean NC / TR

go VS!!!!!:D

[GrimReaper]

It's an April 1st joke, you'll see.

[kklkit]

Vaporware :)

[Koopak]

It's an April 1st joke, you'll see.

Vaporware :)

you people make me cry

[Miir]

3 more days of March! :eek:

[Hamma]

It's an April 1st joke, you'll see.

Ban imo.

Appropriate username though.. :p

[Madcow]

How can you have played Planetside for any period of time and be at all surprised by this? Heck, I remember years back when they broke down the finances and said that it was unlikely any sequel would ever happen. I haven't been subscribed for a few years but PS has always been their red-headed stepchild. Let's face it, we'll take these breadcrumbs and they know it. Say what you want about companies like Blizzard or Valve, but they've at least shown you can intelligently respect your fans and build a huge brand, whereas SOE seems to be business as usual for a decade without evolving.

[Raymac]

How can you have played Planetside for any period of time and be at all surprised by this?

Surprised? Not really, no. But definitely disappointed.

From what I've read and heard from Smed, he seems like he is a genuine fan of Planetside. It's almost as if he is one of us. So having the CEO of the company in your corner certainly builds alot of optimism.

After, what, like over a month of dead silence, that optimism is starting to fade quickly. I don't think its vaproware, but it wouldn't take much to please us at this point, and we still are getting nothing.

I'm finding myself gravitating back to the upcoming games I was excited about before that Vanguard picture, like SW:TOR and FireFall. Niether is PS:N, but then again PS:N isn't PS:N yet either.

[Tikuto]

It's an April 1st joke, you'll see.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8229/bundydonotwant.jpg

[Nephilimuk]

About The9 Limited

The9 Limited is an online game operator and developer in China. The9 directly, or through affiliates, operates licensed MMORPGs and advanced casual games including Soul of The Ultimate Nation™, Atlantica and Kingdom Heroes 2 Online, as well as its proprietary games World of Fighter and Winning Goal, in mainland China. It has also obtained exclusive licenses to operate other games in mainland China, including Free Realms, Planetside Next and others. In addition, The9 is developing various proprietary games, including Shen Xian Zhuan, FireFall and other MMORPGs and advanced causal games. In 2010, The9 established its Mobile Internet Unit to focus on mobile internet business.

Its in a companies Q3 and Q4 financial report statements - I would say this is a go even if it is not in timelines we like.

[Canaris]

Surprised? Not really, no. But definitely disappointed.

From what I've read and heard from Smed, he seems like he is a genuine fan of Planetside. It's almost as if he is one of us. So having the CEO of the company in your corner certainly builds alot of optimism.

After, what, like over a month of dead silence, that optimism is starting to fade quickly. I don't think its vaproware, but it wouldn't take much to please us at this point, and we still are getting nothing.

I'm finding myself gravitating back to the upcoming games I was excited about before that Vanguard picture, like SW:TOR and FireFall. Niether is PS:N, but then again PS:N isn't PS:N yet either.

maybe the legal and marketing team told him to hush till they were ready :whip:

[DviddLeff]

I always wonder about PS and what might have been...

...what if they had a one time payment system like Guild Wars...

...what if the caverns had been a run away success...

...what if the BFRs had been loved instead of loathed...

...would we have seen PS as popular as EVE?

If the devs hadn't dropped the ball over the expansions and made some astonishing blunders with them perhaps we wouldn't even need to be looking forward to PS2.

[Raymac]

If the devs hadn't dropped the ball over the expansions and made some astonishing blunders with them perhaps we wouldn't even need to be looking forward to PS2.

Yeah. You see some of these really long running successful games, and you see how tremendous Planetside was. I mean people talk about it in a "I was there, man" kind of way. And it makes you wonder exactly what you spelled out.

I think all the things you just named helped contribute to Planetsides decline, but I think it was on its way down already and those just accelerated it.

I just think PS was a little ahead of its time. I just don't think there were enough people that had a strong enough computer and a fast enough internet connection back then to really make PS viable. I used to lag like crazy, but I would look past it because even with the lag, the gameplay was still second to none in my book.

Thats partly why I'm so excited for PS:N. More people should be able to play it with less lag, and after 8 years of a still barely surviving Planetside, there is some name recognition in the gaming press.

[Madcow]

Planetside's decline was very slight prior to BFRs. Launch day of that expansion was one of my worst gaming experiences ever, and just showed how out of touch they were at that point. Remember the early near indestructible BFRs being allowed inside the caverns? It was a slaughterhouse for anybody without the cert. That didn't kill the game though, it was their slowness to respond and balance in typical SOE fashion.

I laugh when an item shows up in something like Team Fortress 2 that players complain unbalanced the game. Nothing can compare to that initial BFR nightmare.

[Firefly]

About two days ago I had a mate come over and help me with some furniture delivery. I let him run an alt on my Planetside account, and after I ran him through the VR training (I sat side-saddle), he got into the game during a particularly busy outfit session. He, an above-average gamer with an above-average situational awareness of gaming, wanted to know why he had never heard of the game before. This is an all-too-common sad story. Gamers my age who were in their mid-20s when the game came out have never heard of the game. Then they see Youtube footage or hoarded AVI/MPEG files still posted on websites, and salivate at the prospect of something bigger than a 32-person e-sport battle. It really makes me nerd-rage. It really does. I pissed off some SOE marketing dweeb at 2006 Fan-faire because I cannot tolerate the lack of promotion for this game.

Was the game ahead of its time? I'd like to say no. What, exactly, is a game's time? Next to porn and warfare, technology - especially online technology - is driven by gaming. I don't really think that in this day and age, that a game can be ahead of its time. Planetside was incredibly innovative - perhaps the only way it was ahead of its time is that technology to properly play the game was available only to people who could drop a thousand bucks and lived in an area with high-speed internet. The technology was there, it was just really expensive for the average basement-dwelling neckbeard.

And then, of course, SWG and WoW came out - and people who couldn't compete were heading there in droves to PvE their ass off, and craft potions, and gear-whore, and otherwise pretend to be girls. Combined with the Corpse Combat, BFR, and Aftershock/Bending death knell, it's a wonder the game didn't actually tank altogether and force a server shut-down.

But what I can tell you with absolute certainty, is that there are a lot of die-hard people who remember the game's glory days and can still pull in a few converts. Just judging from the people on this forum, plus the poplocks that I've seen in-game, I'd say that's a certainty. That a game this flawed and with such a checkered, storied past can still pull that sort of weight tells me that we have something incredibly precious and powerful.

I used to lag like crazy, but I would look past it because even with the lag, the gameplay was still second to none in my book.
To this day, it's second to none in my book, and I've played some truly awesome games. I fear that SOE has dropped the ball and will break faith with a lot of people if something doesn't happen before April 1st. A lot of people were burned by Planetside's inability to sustain and/or SOE's marketing/PR follies. I daresay they will NOT give SOE a second chance no matter how bad-ass Next may be.

[Aractain]

Considering the avalibility of broadband and the framerate issues Id say it was ahead of its time. Limited customer base = failure, right.

Conversly WWII Online was NOT ahead of thier time. The had many many limitations in order to serve a very hardcore niche so thier playbase isn't going to get far above what they had then until they make the game more accessible (which they are... slowly...).

I think Planetside is capable of multiple hundreds of thousands which is not at all unrealistc if done correctly.

[Geist]

I only managed to play Planetside for a year before I moved to a non-high-speed-internet accessible town in Washington State, but that year is one of my most cherished memories of gaming that I ever had. Now, SOE is far from my favorite MMO company(they may actually be my most hated company, because of how they treat customers), but if they can make a PS2 that is as fun as the first, with many of the same features and a couple improvements, then I will be happy to pay the monthly subscription.

That is of course depending on if SOE can release PS2 at all. They seem to be going through the same problems they had with Planetside in regards to marketing, I mean, it's supposed to be released this year right? Where is a trailer? Info on features, more then 3 pictures, etc... It seems as though they just started PS2 and decided to show off some concept art to get people interested.

I'm beginning to think that early Q1/late Q2 this year was actually 2013/2014.

[Rbstr]

...would we have seen PS as popular as EVE?
I don't really think that's possible. The games are just very different.
Very few online games include real loss or the depth of economy the EVE has and I think that creates a different kind of player base.
Plus continual dedication on the developers part, not just to adding content but completely reworking mechanics to the point where the game is nearly unrecognizable. They completely re-did all the graphics, they futz with server architecture. They don't do EVE 2, they just keep doing stuff to the old one, and they never charge for it beyond the monthly. SOE hasn't really ever shown signs they're willing to do that.

Quite simply, the things that keep people coming back to EVE would make a really poor shooter...I mean if you got shot and died and lost equipment worth a couple hours worth of work.
It could be crazy interesting to see how suddenly everyone became far more conservative players. But ultimately not that much fun to play.

[NKGotMilk]

Smedley tweeted about an hour ago:

http://twitter.com/j_smedley/statuses/52915794992041984
@RachelLovesDogs I have zero idea what you could possibly be referring to.. That was a planetside next meeting.

not yet forgotten, although no real info

[krnasaur]

2 days.

[Rbstr]

GUYS, GUYS BIG NEWS!

Early second quarter can mean it might be April before we get something worth while!

Plenty of time to get your panties in such a bunch you'll need one of these for extraction:
http://prolife.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/Forceps.jpg

Seriously...taking the release comment the way many of you have is pants-on-head retarded:
The game. has not. been. officially. announced.
Everything about a potential game-release time frame of the next month (or really any potential game-release date) is so profoundly stupid it makes me wonder how you managed to live long enough to learn how to type. Even months ago when got the first hints it was obvious the game itself wouldn't be released.
The absolute best you could hope for is a beta of some kind.

If you got your hopes up that you might be playing retail Planetside 2, or whatever the fuck they're going to call it, before easter you have nothing to blame but yourself.

[Geist]

If you got your hopes up that you might be playing retail Planetside 2, or whatever the fuck they're going to call it, before easter you have nothing to blame but yourself.

I don't know about everyone else, but my problem has more to do with the fact that Smedley apparently announced that the game would come out this year, when there has been no marketing, 4 screenshots, and not even enough official info about PS2 to fill one of those comment boxes for youtube videos.

Seriously, it reeks of ill-planning on SOE's part.

Edit: @RachelLovesDogs I have zero idea what you could possibly be referring to.. That was a planetside next meeting.

What he responded to would help with the context.

@j_smedley website/trailer imminent? Confirm/deny? #toughquestions

[Ant001]

To this day, it's second to none in my book, and I've played some truly awesome games. I fear that SOE has dropped the ball and will break faith with a lot of people if something doesn't happen before April 1st. A lot of people were burned by Planetside's inability to sustain and/or SOE's marketing/PR follies. I daresay they will NOT give SOE a second chance no matter how bad-ass Next may be.

I have 15 mates who I have played all kinds of games with ...from moh:aa to wow to cod:bo. These guys all read about PS:N and sony. Smed was quoted as saying march so all these guys have been talking about it for a month. I am the ONLY one who has acctually played PS and I have explained how awsome it is and they are all desperate to play. We are starved for a decent game. These guys tend to stick to one game so I am praying its out before swtor. I so want us to play PS and not another wow in space suits.

I forgot to say...smed is only tweeting because that shity free realms went live on the console today.

[krnasaur]

IMO SWTOR will be a flop. There is no other game besides planetside in my book.

[Madcow]

IMO SWTOR will be a flop. There is no other game besides planetside in my book.

Whatever you do, don't let facts get in the way of your opinion. I'm sure that the game providing regular communication with it's potential audience, based on a proven franchise is not exactly worried about being outdone by the sequel to a game with a small but rabid fanbase whose developers have released all of 4 pictures.

[Aractain]

Planetside was a flop, tor will probably beat that lol.

[morf]

What he responded to would help with the context.

Here's a summary of the convo:

Q: how did that planetside 2 meeting go?
A: I have no idea what you are talking about, that was a planetside next meeting

Q: Beta for all current subscribers? Confirm/Deny?
A: Not yet.

Q:Website/Trailer launch imminent?
A:Sorry, soon. Believe me we will be proud to show.

[krnasaur]

Whatever you do, don't let facts get in the way of your opinion. I'm sure that the game providing regular communication with it's potential audience, based on a proven franchise is not exactly worried about being outdone by the sequel to a game with a small but rabid fanbase whose developers have released all of 4 pictures.

Good point. But if you stand up and look at SWTOR, you get a MMORPG with only 4 types of classes(trooper, smuggler, jedi knight, and consular, with their sith counterparts). What I have also noticed was the combat and graphics look like they are from KOTOR1, and that was like 5 years ago on a previous gen of systems. Also, with their recent love for over simplified ability trees it makes you wonder (ME1 to ME2, and DA:O to DA2) What will this game accel at that noone has done before?

[Senyu]

A game now that is just Click ability on Hotbar, hit on percentage, deal x damage, repeat.........is just a regurgitated clone of every other mmo out now. Doesn't matter how you dress it up, from orc to starship to jedi, its all the same. One reason why I like Planetside, and also why im hoping blizz "Next Gen MMO" is gona be good

[Geist]

Good point. But if you stand up and look at SWTOR, you get a MMORPG with only 4 types of classes(trooper, smuggler, jedi knight, and consular, with their sith counterparts). What I have also noticed was the combat and graphics look like they are from KOTOR1, and that was like 5 years ago on a previous gen of systems. Also, with their recent love for over simplified ability trees it makes you wonder (ME1 to ME2, and DA:O to DA2) What will this game accel at that noone has done before?
I was thinking that SW:TOR would basically be an endless KOTOR experience. And I loved both of the KOTORs so much, I could settle for that.

Still, it would definitely take a back seat to PS2. MUST...HAVE...INFO!!!!

[krnasaur]

1 day and 2 hrs left!

[The Desert Fox]

I can't believe no one has posted this.
It's the FINAL COUNTDOWN

[Madcow]

Good point. But if you stand up and look at SWTOR, you get a MMORPG with only 4 types of classes(trooper, smuggler, jedi knight, and consular, with their sith counterparts). What I have also noticed was the combat and graphics look like they are from KOTOR1, and that was like 5 years ago on a previous gen of systems. Also, with their recent love for over simplified ability trees it makes you wonder (ME1 to ME2, and DA:O to DA2) What will this game accel at that noone has done before?

But Planetside would have done anything to have subscriber numbers like Galaxies had at it's peak. And Galaxies was a train wreck. My point is that the game that honestly doesn't need the extra hype seems to have a totally on the ball development team busy spoonfeeding information to their audience and getting people excited.

We're digging for breadcrumbs. SOE not communicating is fine if they're not nearly as far along as they implied they are. If the game is potentially launching at all this year then this lack of news is astoundingly bad even for them.

[Moneypennie]

http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/11685/sony-online-closes-studios-the-agency-developer-affected-too

SOE is closing studios, the agency may not even launch, and that game was announced and everything. I don't think it will happen this month, or any month folks. Radio silence means that they probably found out that SOE was closing studios and the project got scrapped. I'm so sorry all. Hopefully someone else will pickup the project.

Poor planetside next

[Lucage]

Perhaps the big annoucemnt in March was SOE laying staff off.

[I SandRock]

@RachelLovesDogs I have zero idea what you could possibly be referring to.. That was a planetside next meeting.

Didn't they register the website planetside zero or something?


EDIT: Nvm that was Project: X not project zero lol :P

[Miir]

New topic name:

It's still happening...

[Raymac]

New topic name:

It's still happening...

I like it.

[snowballd green]

Fall release? fine by me :)

[Hamma]

Should we rename this thread "It's 2011"?

[Canaris]

sticky and lock it for future generations

[Miir]

Should we rename this thread "It's 2011"?

That's a safe title... I like it.

[krnasaur]

haha, yes hamma

[Firefly]

Good point. But if you stand up and look at SWTOR, you get a MMORPG with only 4 types of classes(trooper, smuggler, jedi knight, and consular, with their sith counterparts).
What exactly are you expecting? The four basic archetypes for RPGs are: melee DPS, ranged DPS, tank, healer. Do you know of other archetypes?

[snowballd green]

What exactly are you expecting? The four basic archetypes for RPGs are: melee DPS, ranged DPS, tank, healer. Do you know of other archetypes?

Yeah. The one that does all of those in a crappier version. Read: Barneys

[Jamini]

Controller, Buffer, Mana Battery, Second Tank, Second Healer, Threat Manager, Soloist (Pet and Non-Pet), Hybrid.

Modern MMO players tend to simpify things far, far too much. It's fairly common for people to simply ignore controllers in particular, and then wonder why their l33t group wipes. I remember a time when your Ranged DPS was split into pure DPS classes, and magic-based controllers with damaging abilities. The former always had the numbers, but without the latter a bad pull would mean a wipe or worse. Along the same vien, far too many players who play Hybrid classes often forget that their class can heal or tank at ALL.

[Ant001]

What exactly are you expecting? The four basic archetypes for RPGs are: melee DPS, ranged DPS, tank, healer. Do you know of other archetypes?


You know I never really thought about it but you are correct. Everything is just a basterdised version of one of these classes.

[Aractain]

And they all suck. Classes should be about playstyle not group roles. See: Guild Wars 2.

Action is the new buzz word in the world of the MMO. Lets hope it sticks - we have had everquest for over 10 years now, time for some improvement guys.

[Firefly]

Controller, Buffer, Mana Battery, Second Tank, Second Healer, Threat Manager, Soloist (Pet and Non-Pet), Hybrid.
I can dump every single one of those back into the basic four archetypes.

[Jamini]

I can dump every single one of those back into the basic four archetypes.

And I can dump ranged DPS into the DPS archtype, reducing your four to three. It doesn't change the fact that those archtypes DO (or did) exist. Controller in particular does not necessarily fit into any of your stated archtypes. Certainly, a ranged DPS or a healer can also be a controller, but that doesn't change the fact that the archtype exists.

Quite frankly, modern MMO kiddies are spoiled nowadays with easy classes and no-thought content. I've played games where if you didn't have a players there specifically for CC in an instance(and he better be damn good at it too), you would wipe. End of story. Hell, I've BEEN that Controller in the past.

Example #1: The Buffer/CC
The Final Fantasy XI Bard (http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/wiki/bard_%28ffxi%29)
DPS? You will get laughed at.
Healer? You don't have the mana to keep up with damage delt, and the healing songs SUCK compared to the other buffs you can have up.
Tank? Ahahaha.... *gasp* hahahahaha....

Highly sought after in a party to the point where if you wanted to do anything yourself you needed to hide your job? Yup.

Example #2: The Enfeebler
The Guild Wars Mesmer (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Mesmer)
DPS? Nope.
Healer? No.
Tank? *Squish* No.
Quotes:

Where that undeserved reputation comes from is most likely the fact that Mesmers do not fit under the easy umbrella of “they causes damage” or “they heal others”. Mesmers are subtle, insidious characters. Characters that can turn another profession’s strengths into weaknesses. What Mesmers do, with all the grace that a Ranger plucks a bow or a Monk delivers protection, is counter.

Mesmers are the masters of the counter. Whatever another character does they have a way of countering it. Of preventing it, of ignoring it, of reducing or eliminating it. Depending on their skills and their inclination Mesmers can ruin absolutely anyone’s day by preventing them from doing what it is they want to do.


Example #3: The Hybrid
The Wow Druid (http://www.wowwiki.com/Druid)
DPS: Can be either ranged or melee.
Healer: Uh-huh
Tank: Bear Tanks <3

So what archtype does the Druid fall under? All three/four? With Dual-Speccing a druid can swap between two of your archtypes within thirty seconds (Or less. It's a bit inventory expensive however.) and even a feral druid can drop form and heal/rez in an absolute emergency. Jack of All Trades exist in almost every RPG, doubly so in MMOs.

[krnasaur]

What exactly are you expecting? The four basic archetypes for RPGs are: melee DPS, ranged DPS, tank, healer. Do you know of other archetypes?

Games evolve, so should the archetypes.

[Firefly]

Games evolve, so should the archetypes.
I'm curious - what do YOU suggest? Do you have a better idea? Excluding FPS, which has one archetype - the killer.

[Hamma]

And the killed! :lol:

[Jamini]

I'm curious - what do YOU suggest? Do you have a better idea? Excluding FPS, which has one archetype - the killer.

Also Wrong

FPS Archtypes:

Grunt - Frontline combatant. Designed to have high damage and high survivability. Occasionally has the limited ability to heal self and others.

Examples: Rexo Grunts, The Assault Class (Battlefield series), Commando (and many others) (Killing floor), The Heavy (Team Fortress 2)

Support - Backline combatant. Often has weaker weapons than other classes in exchange for the ability to repair or rearm allies.

Examples: Medics of all calibers.

Suppression - Frontline combatants. Often has less mobility than a grunt, but has great suppressive firepower when dug in. Favored weapons of Supression archtypes are grenade launchers and HMGs.

Examples: Demolitions(Killing floor), The Demo Man (TF2), Support (battlefield), Thumper Spammers (Planetside), The Firebug (Killing floor)

Specialists - Mixed combatants. Specialists often have a single (or multiple) tricks that give them a massive advantage against an unaware or trapped enemy. Often have One-hit KO moves. Significantly less dangerous if the enemy is aware of their presence.

Examples: Cloakers(all types), Snipers (all types), The Spy (TF2), Skulks

Engineers - Backline combatant. More common in games with vehicles or deployable weapons. Weak individual firepower, but either has the ability to lay down automated defenses (such as turrets and mines) or has the ability to enhance the strengths of existing vehicles.

Examples: The Engineer (TF2), Engineer (Battlefield), Vehicle Users (Planetside), Combat Engineers (Planetside),

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If you really want to generalize all MMORPG classes into Archtypes, then I would suggest the following scheme:

Tank - A character designed to take extreme punishment
DPS - A character designed to maximize damage
Healer - A character designed to heal damage
Controller - A character designed to minimize enemy damage
Hybrid - A character with multiple roles.

In a similar short description for FPS archtypes

Suppression - A character designed to hold a position.
Grunt - A character designed to take point and push on enemy objectives
Support - A character designed to repair and rearm allies
Specialist- A character designed to quickly destroy enemies and assets with suprise
Engineer - A character designed around multiple roles depending on the equipment they have available.

[Aractain]

okay guys lets not get all meta lol. There are three roles in almost all senarios. Control, Support and Execution.

Everything has some element of those. Most MMOs have classes which focus on one.

Playstyle is how you accomplish said role.

Tanks are control, so are 'mesmers'. Kinda boring IMO.

If you move to modern warfare (WWII is the best example) its more interesting tanks (with tracks) are control as it forces the enemy to react.

Aircraft carriers are support, fighters and bombers are execution. Battleships are control and execution. Anti-air batterys are control. Artillery is execution but can be used as control... Its just a more interesting more malleable situation.

Basically Control is forcing your enemies to react.
Support is directly helping a friend.
Execution is accomplishing the objective (which is often defeating the enemy).

:)

[Duffman]

another Friday come and gone?

[Raymac]

Need some Rebecca Black to cheer you up?

[Tikuto]

Need some Rebecca Black to cheer you up?You make me do thing the on the Internet that are just wrong... :rolleyes:

I'd do her, though.

[Duffman]

Need some Rebecca Black to cheer you up?

Never heard more than ITS FRIDAY before and jsut watched the whole thing. My life feels better now thank you.

[Aractain]

The 'Death metal' version is the best imo.

YouTube - Death Metal Friday

Can't wait for her follow up single about killing all her friends slowly the day before friday the 13th (is thursday) then cutting them up on friday (friday) and burying them all in a mass grave on saturday (saturday).

[Hamma]

:rofl:

What the hell is the deal with this chick anyway, I've seen the name mentioned here and there. Just another silly internet fad?

[Firefly]

Yeah, basically. Only, it backfired and she got a new asshole torn... then she had the balls to go cry on some talkshow about how hurt she was.

To her I say, listen you stupid twat: when you post shit on the internet, be prepared for assholes like me to mock you incessantly BECAUSE YOU FUCKING SUCK. If you haven't figured out that the internet has no filter for shitty workmanship, get a fucking clue. Grow some thicker skin. Or go back to your Hello Kitty forums.

[Raymac]

Bumping out of habit since its Friday. Good times.

[The Desert Fox]

Good Times! I miss when we were all united in our anger towards SOE lol :D

[Duffman]

Bumping out of habit since its Friday. Good times.

This :wantbeta:

[Canaris]

Oh man it's still 2011...... heavy! :doh:

[kamikava]

Another friday come and gone :(

[Raymac]

I'm pretty much resigning to the idea that I don't expect to hear even a word until E3. It's a little depressing, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm keeping my expectations low for now.

[kamikava]

I'm pretty much resigning to the idea that I don't expect to hear even a word until E3. It's a little depressing, and I hope I'm wrong, but I'm keeping my expectations low for now.

Yup same, although i still find myself on here 4 or 5 times a day to check :)

[Miir]

I still feel compelled to check on Fridays but it has got a little easier not checking everyday for news.

[kamikava]

Your lucky dude, ive still got the PSN bug, the waiting is killing me, think i might have to go resub WoW to get rid of this mmo craving ive got, sigh.

[DviddLeff]

I've gone from checking twitter, PSU and the official forums 5-6 times a day to just looking at twitter once or twice a day... in some ways its better, although I have replaced the time spent by playing Minecraft.

[Raymac]

Yup same, although i still find myself on here 4 or 5 times a day to check :)

Only 4-5? You're doing better than me. I'm going to need an intervention here pretty soon.

I was really hoping Star Wars would have been released by now (or in the next couple weeks) to hold me over.

[Furret]

I'm here 10-15 times a day, mostly for the forums, but i'll notice if there's news.

[Firefly]

I was really hoping Star Wars would have been released by now (or in the next couple weeks) to hold me over.
HAHAHAHA.

No.

Summer, at the earliest. Not that I know anything about that.

[Hotohori]

and I'm watching the front page of PSU for new images (mainly something purple and sexy)

But this refresh button isn't working right.

Please help.



Hey Miir where you in Midgard Guinevere by any chance? :P

[Hamma]

With all this SOE haxoring we will probably rename this thread to it's 2012.

[Canaris]

With all this SOE haxoring we will probably rename this thread to it's 2012.

fraid that's already slated as the end of the world ;)

[kamikava]

Friday bump (on saturday. . . . .)

So when we going to get more news?

Im getting hungry again :mad::mad:

[Hamma]

fraid that's already slated as the end of the world ;)

True.. well at least we had PlanetSide..

[DviddLeff]

**Sigh**

[Lorgarn]

Friday 13th, I wont say much more.

Cheers!

[Ailos]

fraid that's already slated as the end of the world ;)

The world's demolition is scheduled for December 2012. If SOE releases PS:N in May 2012, we still have seven months to enjoy it.

[kamikava]

I have a brilliant idea.

Everytime a friday goes past and theres no new news im going to put £1 in a pot.

By the time the game gets released im guna have enough to buy it AND pay for a years sub woohoo! SOE FTW!

Either that or im guna hav a LOTAPOUNDS!

[Canaris]

The world's demolition is scheduled for December 2012. If SOE releases PS:N in May 2012, we still have seven months to enjoy it.

Sweet, every Apocalypse has it's silver lining it seems :lol:

[oiJoSh vx]

lolllllllllllllllllll

[Crator]

You guys didn't hear? Judgement Day is next Saturday!!! http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/03/judgement-day-will-may-21-2011-be-the-end-of-the-world/

[Ailos]

You guys didn't hear? Judgement Day is next Saturday!!! http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/03/judgement-day-will-may-21-2011-be-the-end-of-the-world/

I love how in that same article they admit he predicted for this same thing to happen in 1994.

[Rbstr]

If you keep guessing days...you're bound to get the end of the world right at some point.

[Firefly]

You guys didn't hear? Judgement Day is next Saturday!!! http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/01/03/judgement-day-will-may-21-2011-be-the-end-of-the-world/

I have a crazy friend on my Facebook page who belongs to that retarded cult. The sad part is, I know why she fell into it - she's an Iraq veteran and suffered from PTSD. When she came home, all she did was drink, fuck, and get in fights in bars. Along came these charlatans and now she's one of their lead purveyors.

[Duffman]

I think they changed the name to Planetside: Forever

[Hamma]

Wanted to bring this thread back because I believe it should be here all through the development of PlanetSide 2. :p

[Madcow]

Wanted to bring this thread back because I believe it should be here all through the development of PlanetSide 2. :p

Somebody really should organize something where everybody has a chance to put in $10 and chooses a date. Closest to actual release date gets all the cash.

I have to admit that not having a beta date even hinted at during Fan Faire gives me some concerns. The teaser trailer looks great, but I'd think if beta had any shot before the end of the year they would have said as much.

[Bags]

The game doesn't have to be finished for the beta to begin. All they have to do is get all the weapons working and they can begin weapon balance testing en masse.

[Madcow]

The game doesn't have to be finished for the beta to begin. All they have to do is get all the weapons working and they can begin weapon balance testing en masse.

Well of course not. It kind of defeats the purpose of a beta test to have the game finished.

[Bags]

Why wait to have everything finished when you can test weapons out sooner? You don't need the mission system to balance weapons, for example.

Also, you're ignoring the fact that they stated they are currently far more finished with the game than the trailer shows.

[Rbstr]

Yeah, but it doesn't make sense to balance the weapons if the class trees aren't finished or the weapon mods system doesn't work properly yet or the maps aren't laid out and at least functional to some point or any of the number of secondary and tertiary things you really need to have.

Just like it doesn't make sense to wait until it's done it doesn't make sense to drop people on an empty expanse of nothing and have them shoot at each other. Situations have a large impact on balance.

[Bags]

I know, but my point is they don't need to finish everything to launch beta. The game doesn't have to be all but complete.

[Hamma]

And games usually aren't fully completed when beta is released either. :D

[Raymac]

Wanted to bring this thread back because I believe it should be here all through the development of PlanetSide 2. :p

It's not Friday. Why is this thread getting bumped? ;)

[Levente]

wait til u see the new webdesign..... LOOOLLL just kidding :D

[Hamma]

:brow:

[Manitou]

:brow:
:chomp:

[kaffis]

[QUOTE=Rbstr;576676]Yeah, but it doesn't make sense to balance the weapons if the class trees aren't finished or the weapon mods system doesn't work properly yet or the maps aren't laid out and at least functional to some point or any of the number of secondary and tertiary things you really need to have.[QUOTE]
Actually, this brings up an interesting point.

Mr. Higby, if you read this: be clear and up-front in beta about the rate of speed the offline training will be upon launch. It's okay to speed it up for testing purposes, or unlock it entirely, or whatever, during the beta -- but don't let people get caught off-guard (even people who don't make an effort to look for information!) about a slower pace of time-based learning when launch hits.