Grief Points and vehicles

[Canaris]

Just something that should defiantly be added to PS-N if there is going to be a Grief Point system,

If a vehicle runs over a player it's the vehicle that should receive 100% of the grief points. I'm getting pretty sick of getting awarded G points due to the stupidity and bad driving of some shmo who doesn't deserve a license to drive a hoop and a stick let alone a tank.

Just like in RL the driver takes responsibility

/rant off :D

[Baneblade]

I'll still run you over.

[Furret]

Wow, you get grief points for being hit by a teammate?
That's only remotely silly.

Definitely should go.

[CutterJohn]

Friendly vehicle vs grunt damage should just go away. It serves no real useful purpose. Just make the grunt slide through the vehicle. I don't care.

[Canaris]

I'll still run you over.

I know you would Sobe :lol:

[Mightymouser]

There's a reason the damage is shared; before only the driver would get grief and players would intentionally run in front of vehicles in the CY to cause 'reverse-grief' with virtually no penalty...

Watch where you're going and stay out of the way and you should rarely have a problem...

[Furret]

Okay, how about we remove the ability to be run over by a friendly vehicle?

Mowing enemies down should still be a viable option for those who don't feel like shooting a gun, or dont have a driver weapon.

[Sirisian]

Did you guys actually have problems with this? I mean did it grief lock you a lot? I can't say I ever experienced a situation where this was a problem.

[Furret]

shh sirisian.

We're assuming Canaris is a horribly unlucky fellow who always seems to find himself unwittingly underneath his own empire's tank treads.

PS: I've never had a problem with it.

[BorisBlade]

Guys you are missing the real issue here. Its the lag in what you see and what they see and CSHD system that is the real issue. On his screen you arent in the way, or maybe on your screen you arent in the way, depending where the lag comes in for taht situation. So you dont move thinkin you are clear and get whacked, or you move thinking you need to get outta the way and get whacked because he is actually in a different position than what you see. Those variations in time and even exact location are the real culprit. PS:N will have much better tech and should take care of the vast majority of the issues.

Besides, its such an extreeeeeemly minor issue anyway, even in the current bad system its a negligable issue at best. It will just get better in PS:N so it wouldnt even make my top 100 list of concerns.

[Lonehunter]

The current system is just fine, you barely get any Grief points for dmging a vehicle's bumper. If you get wep lock because of it, then you must have hit 1,000 bumpers before that, so you deserve it.

[morf]

If a vehicle runs over a player it's the vehicle that should receive 100% of the grief points. I'm getting pretty sick of getting awarded G points due to the stupidity and bad driving of some shmo who doesn't deserve a license to drive a hoop and a stick let alone a tank.

Just like in RL the driver takes responsibility

/rant off :D

YouTube - Cop Car Hits Pedestrian
MOAR GRIEF 4 THE COPS BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS ITS ALWAYS THE DRIVER'S FAULT

[Furret]

Some people are just dumb.

You cant walk across the street at night wearing dark clothing and expect people to know you're there. Plus, the cop car had headlights so its her fault for not stopping to walk into his path.

I hope the woman's okay of course, but sheesh, that's not very intelligent.

Anyway...

[Canaris]

Nonsense on lag being the issue it's not, I've driven around loads and havn't had single fender bender on any of our Empire even in the midst of peak time crasy zerg, you slow down, steer and as if by "magic" you don't hit anyone.

Nice video Morf, shame we don't have night cycle on PS so you could blame that :p

There's a reason the damage is shared; before only the driver would get grief and players would intentionally run in front of vehicles in the CY to cause 'reverse-grief' with virtually no penalty...

Watch where you're going and stay out of the way and you should rarely have a problem...
So far this has been the only good counter I've heard but still once again *you slow down, steer and as if by "magic" you don't hit anyone*

[wildcat140679]

Nonsense on lag being the issue it's not, I've driven around loads and havn't had single fender bender on any of our Empire even in the midst of peak time crasy zerg, you slow down, steer and as if by "magic" you don't hit anyone.

If you never had and issues than consider your self very lucky.
You might not experience any lag and have a nice stable low ping connection with the server, but others might not be so lucky with their connection to the server.

Client side hit detection and lag plays a very very big role.

I've played on Werner, less than 30 miles away from the server best ping you could possibly want in any kind of FPS game. Yet I still experienced getting run over by vehicles I jumped clear from. Yet when I was driving I had little issues myself by evading running in to other players.

Is this due to lag? Yes.

[morf]

Nice video Morf, shame we don't have night cycle on PS so you could blame that :p


YES IT APPEARS YOU ARE RIGHT AGAIN. IN BROAD DAYLIGHT THE DRIVER IS ALWAYS AT FAULT PPL.

YouTube - F1 car hit a race marshall.

THERE U GO KIDS INDISPUTABLE VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT THE DRIVER IS ALWAYS AT FAULT. THE CAMERA DOES NOT LIE CANARIS IS RIGHT GUYS ITS ALWAYS THE DRIVERS FAULT. [/thread]

[Canaris]

YES IT APPEARS YOU ARE RIGHT AGAIN. IN BROAD DAYLIGHT THE DRIVER IS ALWAYS AT FAULT PPL.

YouTube - F1 car hit a race marshall. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxOdjkJUxmw)

THERE U GO KIDS INDISPUTABLE VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT THE DRIVER IS ALWAYS AT FAULT. THE CAMERA DOES NOT LIE CANARIS IS RIGHT GUYS ITS ALWAYS THE DRIVERS FAULT. [/thread]

be honest how long did you troll youtube looking for this :lol:

[morf]

NO TIME I HAVE IT BOOKMARKED. I WATCH IT 10 TIMES A DAY IT'S MY FAVORITE.

[Logit]

NO TIME I HAVE IT BOOKMARKED. I WATCH IT 10 TIMES A DAY IT'S MY FAVORITE.

I know my ass would not be running across a formula 1 race track. That is a new kind of stupid.

[morf]

I know my ass would not be running across a formula 1 race track. That is a new kind of HILARIOUS.

FIXED.

[Grimster]

Well I hate stupid people who are not able to run in a straight line. :)

Imho if they don't know how to move in a CY full of vehicles they deserve to be run over. ;)

You don't normally see pedestrians or people on bikes go zig zag on the road IRL do you? :)

[Grimster]

YES IT APPEARS YOU ARE RIGHT AGAIN. IN BROAD DAYLIGHT THE DRIVER IS ALWAYS AT FAULT PPL.

YouTube - F1 car hit a race marshall. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxOdjkJUxmw)

THERE U GO KIDS INDISPUTABLE VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT THE DRIVER IS ALWAYS AT FAULT. THE CAMERA DOES NOT LIE CANARIS IS RIGHT GUYS ITS ALWAYS THE DRIVERS FAULT. [/thread]


You know in that particular accident the driver also got killed because he got the fire extinguisher that the race marshall had with him in his face.

[morf]

You know in that particular accident the driver also got killed because he got the fire extinguisher that the race marshall had with him in his face.

YEAH AND IT SERVES HIM RIGHT BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S ALWAYS THE DRIVER'S FAULT

[Canaris]

YEAH AND IT SERVES HIM RIGHT BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S ALWAYS THE DRIVER'S FAULT

very correct, if he'd followed the "Slow down and steer" rule as if by *MAGIC* he wouldn't have hit him :p

[morf]

very correct, if he'd followed the "Slow down and steer" rule as if by *MAGIC* he wouldn't have hit him :p

YES EXACTLY. WHAT KIND OF WORLD IS THIS WHERE WE CAN NOT SAFELY RUN ACROSS A RACETRACK??

WHERE A BIKE MUST STOP AT A STOP SIGN?????

YouTube - Bike hit my car funny accident

WHERE OUR TRAIN TRACKS ARE NOT A SAFE PLACE FOR OUR INFANTS????
YouTube - Kid almost killed by a train

CAN NO ONE HOLD THESE DRIVERS ACCOUNTABLE????

[Canaris]

See the Bike *DRIVER* was to blame, the others a train you're down to the dregs I see, also what's the deal with all the Snuff movies.......

[morf]

See the Bike *DRIVER* was to blame, the others a train you're down to the dregs I see.

Car, train, bike, zamboni, what's the difference? IT'S ALWAYS THE DRIVERS FAULT.

Who's side are you on anyway???

EDIT TO ADD - YET ANOTHER UPSTANDING CITIZEN RUN DOWN BY A RENEGADE DRIVER:

YouTube - Dumb man walks into traffic and gets hit by ice cream truck

[Geist]

In response to the OP, there is a rule l follow every day that I think applies to this: the biggest moving object has the right of way.

In response to morf: humanity just loves proving Einstein right about stupidity being the only infinite resource: the question is, how do we harness it?