Will you Upgrade for PS2?

[hippieschuh]

How many of you will upgrade your computer for PS2?

I currently have a Geforce 8400GS and E6600 Dual Core with 2GB Ram and I doupt I will be able to enjoy PS2 very mutch...

I think to remember that they said PS2 will support 2-3 year old Computers though.

[Zulthus]

Nahh, my PC is heavily upgraded already. I have no doubt I can play it with my current rig, but I'll have to wait for the system specs for high detail. I've got a quad-core w/4 GBs of RAM and a HD5870.

[SKYeXile]

i have a I7 950, 6GB DDR3 RAM, 5970. but yea, depending on when the game comes out, its prolly due for an upgrade.

[Zulthus]

i have a I7 950, 6GB DDR3 RAM, 5970. .

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[SKYeXile]

http://th282.photobucket.com/albums/kk245/littlemusicalnotes/th_fuuuu_by_ku127-png.jpg

i like to keep things fresh...NEED SSD!

[Death2All]

According to the panel, the game will be optimized for systems 4-5 years old.

I giggle at the thought that Planetside 2 will run better than Planetside 1 on my computer.

But if things don't go according to plan I might consider upgrading my computer for it. Assuming it's not a BF clone that doesn't resemble PS in the slightest.

[Wakken]

I ordered new parts last week so I've already upgraded :)

[Heaven]

Need to get my self a new PC tbh. Planetside killed my other one lol, what do you guys think planetside 2 will run well on as in what specs and that...?

[Gandhi]

Probably next year, until then an E6850 with an HD 4870 will have to do (and I guess it should!)

[Lunarchild]

i have a I7 950, 6GB DDR3 RAM, 5970. but yea, depending on when the game comes out, its prolly due for an upgrade.

Yea, my I7 920, 6GB DDR3, 2x GTX 470 could use some upgrades as well ^^ First, need a new job though!

[NCLynx]

i have a I7 950, 6GB DDR3 RAM, 5970. but yea, depending on when the game comes out, its prolly due for an upgrade.

Any upgrade you got right now wouldn't be any huge improvement. i7 950 to what, a 2600k? Not sure why you'd want more RAM maybe 8GB if you got a dual channel Mobo. Maybe SLI/Crossfire two GTX 580s or another 5970 in there.

You just wanted a reason to post your specs and I'm jealous. :/

[Goku]

How many of you will upgrade your computer for PS2?

I currently have a Geforce 8400GS and E6600 Dual Core with 2GB Ram and I doupt I will be able to enjoy PS2 very mutch...

I think to remember that they said PS2 will support 2-3 year old Computers though.

Can you even run anything on that 8400? Dear god that is a low end card from 2006 or so. Highly doubtful you get anything more then 5 FPS on the lowest settings. Back then the 8500 GT was a minimum for games, but that even lagged behind at its release.

[hippieschuh]

yeah my good card died so I bought a cheap replacement.

Runs PS1 fine though :)

[SKYeXile]

Any upgrade you got right now wouldn't be any huge improvement. i7 950 to what, a 2600k? Not sure why you'd want more RAM maybe 8GB if you got a dual channel Mobo. Maybe SLI/Crossfire two GTX 580s or another 5970 in there.

You just wanted a reason to post your specs and I'm jealous. :/

yea sorta, but i was considering upgrading, but yea i wont unless DX12 or a new windows comes out, and that could be before planetside 2 :P

[Sirisian]

I had to upgrade my laptop since my old one was nearing it's 6 year mark and really showing its age. My current setup is here (http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/showpost.php?p=564458&postcount=16). Honestly if anyone was going to upgrade I'd wait for the Ivy Bridge. Serious improvements in technology.

Not sure why you'd want more RAM maybe 8GB if you got a dual channel Mobo.
16 GBs is pretty standard right now for new computers. My laptop and 3 of my friend's desktops have 16 GB now. RAM is dirt cheap though.

[Canaris]

I could do with a new motherboard but the rest of my PC is up to date

[Jennyboo]

My computer is over 5 years old I have been putting it off for the simple fact that no new games interest me, but I will for sure have it updated by the time Planetside 2 comes out!!! This is the game we have been waiting for!!!

[Robert089]

This hunk of junk needs upgrading, so old now I'm going to need to pretty much get a whole new machine...

The only decent part about it is the graphics card because I had to replace it after the old one blew up.

[Rarntogo]

I5 750 Quad core unlocked, 8 gigs Corsair Dominator Ram, 2 TBs HD space, 2 Nvidia GTX465's in SLi. No need to upgrade for a while I hope.

[mechaman]

With their claim of machines 4-5 years old being able to run the game I don't anticipate needing to upgrade my machine. I'm running an overclocked i7 860, 8GB of ram, and a GTX 570.

[Logit]

My computer is 8 years old, I must upgrade or I'll be missing out.

sigh..

[FrittsUSKTA]

I will be upgrading mine ... I still have dual BFG 260's in mine. Upgrading as in building a new PC part by part maybe using $2,000 only and see what I come up with.

[Firefly]

My computer is already upgraded. I can run Crysis with a high framerate, FRAPs it, and still do other stuff in the background.

The only upgrade I want to do is get an ATI 6000-series video card that will let me run three or even four monitors (also need a bigger desk). Basically, I can play certain games across all three/four monitors. I'm already doing it with two 28" monitors on an ATI 5770 Eyefinity - it's not that the game resolution stretches to fill it, it's that the resolution expands the field of view. I can attain a much wider view with a little bit of fish-eye if I can do that in PS2, I can see a helluva lot more than a guy playing on one monitor. I'm hoping with three 28" monitors I have a lot bigger peripheral vision. Unfortunately all of the monitors have to be the same size so I have to get another 28".

[Gandhi]

I'm already doing it with two 28" monitors on an ATI 5770 Eyefinity - it's not that the game resolution stretches to fill it, it's that the resolution expands the field of view.
Isn't it annoying to have that gap right in the middle of your view? It's the only reason I'm still using only one of my monitors for gaming, just can't get over it. I'd have to spring serious cash for monitors with minimal frames, or go right to 3 monitors to move the gaps off to the sides where they're not so intrusive.

[FastAndFree]

Isn't it annoying to have that gap right in the middle of your view?

Heh exactly what I was about to ask...

I have an E8400, a 8800GT and 3Gbs of RAM I think that will be okay

[Warruz]

im in the process of upgrading for Skyrim which in turn means il be ready to rock PS2

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.675014
will be my first purchase, prob gonna hold out on the processor to see what exactly bulldozer will bring/cost

[Firefly]

Isn't it annoying to have that gap right in the middle of your view? It's the only reason I'm still using only one of my monitors for gaming, just can't get over it. I'd have to spring serious cash for monitors with minimal frames, or go right to 3 monitors to move the gaps off to the sides where they're not so intrusive.
Nope. I quickly got used to it - and it helps that you have an option on the settings where you can put it in one of two modes. The catalyst (ATI software) allows you to space out the bezels (your monitor's plastic frame) or ignore them when the image renders. If you ignore the bezels you will never see anything (UI elements, game info) that falls behind it - it simulates being in a cockpit. IE you have to adjust the character/vehicle point of view. In the mode for spacing the bezels, it just shows up on the other monitors as a sort of seamless view so that you'll see everything on the screen but it will be dispersed left/right of the bezel.

Honestly after a few minutes you tend to ignore it - your gestalt process fills it in, just as if you were driving a car and the frame between driver window and windshield were in the way. The only thing you have to do on certain games is resize static UI objects (ie, lifebar etc), drag it, fix its location. So for something like WoW and WAR, you just customize your UI. The UI is based on your horizontal resolution. You're talking a 6000x1200 UI so it's going to put shit across all monitors. You have to readjust certain things because it might be behind a bezel.

Three monitors' field of view... pimp. It's like having eyes in the side of your head or a wide-angle camera lense. That's my goal... 3x 28" monitors *IF* Planetside 2 will support it. Which I don't see why it won't - you'd have to have some sort of code that specifically says "No multiple-monitors". Failing that, you can alter the game's INI file if you have overlap issues.

[Gandhi]

Eh that sounds good actually, maybe I'll have to go ahead and upgrade this year after all :D

[basti]

Waiting till beta to see if my GTX280 is enough for PS2. So far no game managed to cause bad FPS with max settings.

[p0intman]

two different answers: Will I upgrade my computer? Yes, probably somewhat soon considering its been a decade since I have last done so.

Will I upgrade my computer for ps2? No. I'll take sys reqs into account, though.

[Baneblade]

I'm planning to upgrade regardless of PS2.

[razor851]

I can't afford to. :(

[Rbstr]

I'm planning on throwing in the new-gen nVidia card and some ram about the time BF3 is out.

Should be PS2 sufficient.

[Zulthus]

Just out of curiosity, why do people crossfire video cards? I can't think of any game that I can't run max settings on just my single HD5870.

[Bags]

Just out of curiosity, why do people crossfire video cards? I can't think of any game that I can't run max settings on just my single HD5870.

Big monitors?

[Zulthus]

Big monitors?

I have a 27.5" monitor. I think that's considered big.

[Bags]

I have a 27.5" monitor. I think that's considered big.

No idea then. As long as PS2 doesn't as bad as PS1 (I GET SINGLE DIGIT FPS ON A 4 YEAR OLD COMPUTER) it should be fine.

[FastAndFree]

I have a 27.5" monitor. I think that's considered big.

Maybe they have 3? Dunno

[Zulthus]

Maybe they have 3? Dunno

Hey, if you've got the time and money to have three monitors, crossfiring might be a good idea.

[Hamma]

No question I will upgrade for, or before PS2. I've been dragging my feet on upgrading because it's such a pain but now I have more reason than ever :lol:

[Infektion]

lol.. I hope I don't have to upgrade... Im pretty ok with my 3.9Ghz E8400, 4GB 1066 and 4850hd w/ raid 0(3ware) 300GB velociraptors.... I remember when my pc was pretty awesome... 3 1/2 years ago. lol!!!

That being said, if they use the UT 3 engine, then it's a real forgiving because is so optimized. Anyways, it's Planetside, so already getting blingbling w/ ut3. They'll just further optimize to support high cap and remove much video stress. I'm sure most of us will be ok... But for the guy with the 8400gs... COME ON! That cards like gddr2? lol

[SKYeXile]

lol.. I hope I don't have to upgrade... Im pretty ok with my 3.9Ghz E8400, 4GB 1066 and 4850hd w/ raid 0(3ware) 300GB velociraptors.... I remember when my pc was pretty awesome... 3 1/2 years ago. lol!!!

That being said, if they use the UT 3 engine, then it's a real forgiving because is so optimized. Anyways, it's Planetside, so already getting blingbling w/ ut3. They'll just further optimize to support high cap and remove much video stress. I'm sure most of us will be ok... But for the guy with the 8400gs... COME ON! That cards like gddr2? lol

they're using a new engine called forgelight, developed by SOE.

[Goku]

I have a 27.5" monitor. I think that's considered big.

27.5? Sounds like a 1920x1080 monitor to me. There are plenty of monitors with higher resolutions. For single monitors we have 2560x1400/2560x1600 that is roughly 80% more pixels then you have. Then we get to multimonitor setups that have a common resolution of 3x1920x1080 or 5760x3240 has 3 times the pixels you have. With that you can see how easy it is to need Crossfire or SLI.

[Firefly]

Just out of curiosity, why do people crossfire video cards? I can't think of any game that I can't run max settings on just my single HD5870.
I admit I have no fucking clue what crossfiring is. From the gist of the conversation I infer that it's what I do - run a game with the image spread across all monitors. For me, it's personally about one thing - having as wide a field of view as possible. 6000x1200? Yes please. If I'm standing still in third-person mode I can see to what would be my seven o'clock and my four o'clock. On a normal, single monitor depending on the game and the scrolling-out you can maybe get nine o'clock to three o'clock. It's more likely, realistically, ten to two. In an FPS this is an incredible advantage - especially for a vehicle.

27.5? Sounds like a 1920x1080 monitor to me. There are plenty of monitors with higher resolutions. For single monitors we have 2560x1400/2560x1600 that is roughly 80% more pixels then you have. Then we get to multimonitor setups that have a common resolution of 3x1920x1080 or 5760x3240 has 3 times the pixels you have. With that you can see how easy it is to need Crossfire or SLI.
This.

[Jade]

I'll be getting an entirely new PC hopefully before this even comes out. Though I've been wanting a new PC for awhile now :(.

[Infektion]

they're using a new engine called forgelight, developed by SOE.

Is that so? I must have missed it the part. I'm being conservative... but I will be upgrading my 4850hd 512MB for a GTX 465 1GB, it's only 130$ and I'm not a big PC gamer anymore... every since I had our first child. I hate my life.... lol j/k.

You guys think i'll be ok with my E8400+4GB 1066Mhz, I'll throttle it down to 3.5Ghz, since the 465 eats up more watts. I might consider 2 more sticks of 2GB for 8GB system... but I doubt anything will eat up more than 4GB right now... atleast in such games. It's just a waste to upgrade the LGA775 platform. I figured the system is ok, just beef it up with a vCard.

[Goku]

GTX 465? Those things aren't really that good. Worse card in the 400 series in my opinion.

For that price you are better off with this GTX 460 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162056). More expensive upfront, but you get a warranty and it will be cheaper once the MIR in. This card is awesome.

Here is a review (http://www.hardwarezone.com/product-guide/view/60191). It will smack that GTX 465 around so much it isn't even funny.

[Infektion]

GTX 465? Those things aren't really that good. Worse card in the 400 series in my opinion.

For that price you are better off with this GTX 460 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162056). More expensive upfront, but you get a warranty and it will be cheaper once the MIR in. This card is awesome.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, I've shunned off the GTX465 when they were released, but now from a price POV, i've changed my outlook.

But either way, I've completely taken into consideration the 460GTX, and the good thing is, I wont be performing the upgrade till later... I mean, all we got so far is a teaser and some Q&A. If price is right, I'll probably hit up an ATI card, maybe a 6850hd, I absolutely adore the low power usage of ATI cards. Either way, I'm hunting for sub 180$ upgrade, but tbh, the thing is that the GTX465 being 130$, and it's really only going to be for PS2 and D3. But we'll see.

[Goku]

SOE sounds like they're going to be in bed with Nvidia in regards to the development of this game. Even if you don't care for Physx it is likely it will perform better on Nvidia cards that are similar in price point to AMD's. If you are upgrading for PS2 alone you maybe best off going for Nvidia. I will be weighing the option once either Beta or the official game is released. ATI had a lot of issues with the original PS.

Wow GTX 465s are still being sold in retail (thought it was over). Those probably will be gone by the end of the year.

[Bags]

GTX 465? Those things aren't really that good. Worse card in the 400 series in my opinion.

For that price you are better off with this GTX 460 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162056). More expensive upfront, but you get a warranty and it will be cheaper once the MIR in. This card is awesome.

Here is a review (http://www.hardwarezone.com/product-guide/view/60191). It will smack that GTX 465 around so much it isn't even funny.

Yeah I love my new GTX 460. Rest of my machine is bottlenecking it, but it runs really cool compared to my old card.

My 8800 GT would idle @ 100% fans @ 70 C, 100 C underload; now this card idles @ 40% fans @ 35 C, 50 C underload @ 50% fans.

Then there's the fact that it was only $120.

[krnasaur]

Im not that great with graphics cards. i have a GT 420m. You think that will be good for PSN or should I upgrade, and if i do, which should i get for my laptop

[Bags]

nobody knows the requirements yet, but I doubt a laptop will be too good for it.

[Mirror]

I7 930 CPU, 12GB RAM (2000MHz), SSD HDD, GTX 470 VGA

I think I'll be ok.

[Dreamcast]

I just need a videocard, my good videocard blew.


Got a q6600 quad core 3.0ghz,4gb ddr2,9500 GT.


I don't want to spend alot of money making a new pc so a good video card should be good....Any recommendations of the best $100 thru $200 video cards?

[Bags]

I just need a videocard, my good videocard blew.


Got a q6600 quad core 3.0ghz,4gb ddr2,9500 GT.


I don't want to spend alot of money making a new pc so a good video card should be good....Any recommendations of the best $100 thru $200 video cards?

I picked up my GTX 460 for $120 after MIR on newegg. It went out of stock the day after I bought it though.

[Zulthus]

I just need a videocard, my good videocard blew.


Got a q6600 quad core 3.0ghz,4gb ddr2,9500 GT.


I don't want to spend alot of money making a new pc so a good video card should be good....Any recommendations of the best $100 thru $200 video cards?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161349&cm_re=radeon_hd_6870-_-14-161-349-_-Product - Radeon HD 6870, $189.99

I use a HD5870 which has alot more raw power than the 6870, but newegg doesn't seem to have it. I got mine from Best Buy. Anyways, the 6870 is a really good card for your budget and will be able to run any of today's games on high settings.

In comparison to a Nvidia GTX460, the HD6870 is better in everything other than shader operations.

[ZeroOneZero]

My PC is ready to go, probably just need to increase the ram a little and buy another 480GTX for SLI. A new mouse too, ROCCAT mice are ok, but I miss my DeathAdder.

[SavageB]

Currently Running:

AMD 955 BE oc to 4ghz
Gigabyte mobo with usb 3.0
Asus radeon 5850 ocd to a 5870
Corsair 2 x 2 gig Dominator ram runing @ 1600mhz
Corsair ps 850 HX pro modular
Corsair H50 cooler
antec 1200 case
2 x WD cavier black HD's

Will be upgrading computer as soon as AMD bulldozer arrives ( pending on benchmarks) or will be going with Sandy Bridge or wait for Ivy:

AMD FX 8130P Zambezi Bulldozer/Intel 2600k+
Asus R.O.G Motherboard (possibly Maximus, again depends on what cpu)
Asus R.O.G Matrix GTX 580 Platinum video card
Corsair Dominator GT's - 12-24gigs of ram
Keeping power supply
keeping antec 1200
keeping HD's but adding A Corsair SSD for OS


Also just purchased a 27 inch 1080p monitor from samsung with 1 ms, its reallly nice the samsung P2770FH model.


Either way Im upgrading within the next 1-2 months, honestly I dont even need to upgrade anytime soon but I have a great job and I need to spend my money lol....If any of you wanna buy my old parts they will go cheap :)

[Bags]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161349&cm_re=radeon_hd_6870-_-14-161-349-_-Product - Radeon HD 6870, $189.99

I use a HD5870 which has alot more raw power than the 6870, but newegg doesn't seem to have it. I got mine from Best Buy. Anyways, the 6870 is a really good card for your budget and will be able to run any of today's games on high settings.

In comparison to a Nvidia GTX460, the HD6870 is better in everything other than shader operations.

Why buy ATI when Sony is clearly in bed with nvidia this time around?

Currently Running:

AMD 955 BE oc to 4ghz
Gigabyte mobo with usb 3.0
Asus radeon 5850 ocd to a 5870
Corsair 2 x 2 gig Dominator ram runing @ 1600mhz
Corsair ps 850 HX pro modular
Corsair H50 cooler
antec 1200 case
2 x WD cavier black HD's

Will be upgrading computer as soon as AMD bulldozer arrives ( pending on benchmarks) or will be going with Sandy Bridge or wait for Ivy:

AMD FX 8130P Zambezi Bulldozer/Intel 2600k+
Asus R.O.G Motherboard (possibly Maximus, again depends on what cpu)
Asus R.O.G Matrix GTX 580 Platinum video card
Corsair Dominator GT's - 12-24gigs of ram
Keeping power supply
keeping antec 1200
keeping HD's but adding A Corsair SSD for OS


Also just purchased a 27 inch 1080p monitor from samsung with 1 ms, its reallly nice the samsung P2770FH model.


Either way Im upgrading within the next 1-2 months, honestly I dont even need to upgrade anytime soon but I have a great job and I need to spend my money lol....If any of you wanna buy my old parts they will go cheap :)

Only thing I'd be interested in is the RAM but it's already dirt cheap brand new on newegg.

Why 12+ GB of RAM? Just 'cuz?

[Goku]

I just need a videocard, my good videocard blew.


Got a q6600 quad core 3.0ghz,4gb ddr2,9500 GT.


I don't want to spend alot of money making a new pc so a good video card should be good....Any recommendations of the best $100 thru $200 video cards?

I would recommend this card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162056). Should be roughly the same performance give or take a few frames as that 6870.

As Bags said I recommend Nvidia if this is really only for PS2. You will have PhysX on top more performance on the card due to better support.

[Warruz]

Why buy ATI when Sony is clearly in bed with nvidia this time around?


Because AMD is more bang for your buck when your talking the low-High range, Now if your talking on the extreme range then yes Intel/Nvidia is the way to go.

[Bags]

I would recommend this card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162056). Should be roughly the same performance give or take a few frames as that 6870.

As Bags said I recommend Nvidia if this is really only for PS2. You will have PhysX on top more performance on the card due to better support.

Ooh, $5 cheaper than the one I got. But yeah, my GTX 460 runs great. I can vouch for the card (at least MSI's).

Because AMD is more bang for your buck when your talking the low-High range, Now if your talking on the extreme range then yes Intel/Nvidia is the way to go.

Nvidia makes physx. PS2 will be using physx.

It might not matter but you never know.

[Zulthus]

Nvidia makes physx. PS2 will be using physx.

It might not matter but you never know.

Yeah, doesn't matter either way you go. PhysX works just fine on all video cards. AMD is generally better than Nvidia, imo. I used to use their cards and I've personally found AMD to have better performance.

[Vancha]

Because AMD is more bang for your buck when your talking the low-High range, Now if your talking on the extreme range then yes Intel/Nvidia is the way to go.
Generally yes, but in regards to upgrading solely for a game with PhysX I'm not so sure. While AMD cards can run games with PhysX, I seem to remember they took way, way more of a performance hit for it. Whether that's still true or not I don't know. AMD certainly seem to have the better cards this generation in general, though.

Edit: Ninjad by Zulthus.

Edit II: Though come to think of it, if PS2 is being developed around Nvidia cards, they may still get better performance regardless of PhysX.

I admit I have no fucking clue what crossfiring is. From the gist of the conversation I infer that it's what I do - run a game with the image spread across all monitors.

It's ATI's equivalent of SLI - running two or more GPUs at once. With the 6 series ATI seems to be doing it far better (typically 2x the card didn't equate to 2x the performance, but ATI's almost there with some of their GPUs).

[Gandhi]

Yeah, doesn't matter either way you go. PhysX works just fine on all video cards. AMD is generally better than Nvidia, imo. I used to use their cards and I've personally found AMD to have better performance.
AFAIK PhysX is still nVidia only. You could pair an ATI card with a low end nVidia card to do the PhysX work, otherwise all the PhysX stuff will be done on the CPU instead. You'll still get the PhysX effects, but with a pretty big performance hit.

Edit: Ninjad by Vancha :p

[SavageB]

Why buy ATI when Sony is clearly in bed with nvidia this time around?



Only thing I'd be interested in is the RAM but it's already dirt cheap brand new on newegg.

Why 12+ GB of RAM? Just 'cuz?


Yes, and this time around I want to future proof my comp for years, instead of 1-2 years then buying something else. I figure with all the high end things I can buy now Ill be good for 3 years or so...It will all depend on how that AMD bulldozer performs tho, AMD better not let us down this time or I fear the worst for that side of the company.

[Zulthus]

You're probably right that PhysX is done on the CPU for me, but nonetheless any game I've played with PhysX on my ATI card works perfectly fine at this point, I can max out all settings and still play smoothly. But, if you are upgrading for PS2 only, it's currently sounding like you'd want to SLI two Nvidia cards, since I find them pretty weak. But they have PhysX, so hey.

[Zulthus]

Also, here. Proof is in the pudding. ATI is kicking Nvidia's ass one generation behind. :groovy:

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=632&card2=613

[Goku]

Zulthus PhysX runs like crap on CPUs. There is no way to have PhysX run directly on an AMD card either. Sure you can get a dedicated PhysX card with ATI but that is added cost on top of doing driver hacks. PhysX is meant to be run specifically on Nvidia's GPU either solo or dedicated while another card does the regular video game.

GPUReview.com is a nice site, but you cannot get the performance directly from it. If the 460 is so inferior to the 5870 why is it loosing to it in this review (http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/09/geforce_gtx_460_1gb_sli_vs_radeon_hd_5870_cfx/)? The 5850 does far worse as well here (http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/08/04/geforce_gtx_460_1gb_sli_vs_radeon_hd_5850_cfx/).

I am a fan of AMD cards as I have had them for over 2 years now. Though every card has its strengths and weaknesses. The GTX 460 1GB is a highly competitive card along with the GTX 560 Ti. There is no AMD card that will out do that Galaxy GTX 460 Super OC I recommended at that price point. Like I said before PS2 will be along the lines of TWIMTBP game due to Nvidia's influence. If PS2 will be your primary game I think you would be foolish not to get a Nvidia card if you are upgrading.

[Zulthus]

PhysX runs fine for me, I don't see what your problem is. The Metro 2033 review isn't really accurate anyhow since I can get 30 FPS easy on high settings on my single card, not overclocked. Reviews are biased, facts are not. I'm just saying since I owned a GTX460 before I owned my AMD (It burned out within months) and IMO the AMD outperforms it by miles.

[2coolforu]

PhysX runs like ass on the CPU, that's what many people have been seeing and it;s what I have been seeing. There are plans to get it to use multi-cores but until then it'll still run like ass.

However you have 1-2 years to grab an Nvidia card so, get to it.

[Infektion]

I7 930 CPU, 12GB RAM (2000MHz), SSD HDD, GTX 470 VGA

I think I'll be ok.

There is absolutely no use for 12GB Ram on any desktop system/gaming environment... 6GB-8GB is the limit, and that's with IMMENSE multitasking.

You guys think my E8400 @ conservative 3.5Ghz is ok?

[Zulthus]

You guys must have really bad PCs.

[2coolforu]

Nope, my PC was a supercomputer when I got it, i7 920 overclocked - 4.1 GHz, HD 5970, 6 gigs 2000 MHz RAM Gigabyte ex58 mobo.

bought November 2009

[Zulthus]

Well, all I'm saying is PhysX runs completely fine on my CPU. So I'm perfectly fine with my amazing ATI video card for years to come.

[Goku]

PhysX runs fine for me, I don't see what your problem is. The Metro 2033 review isn't really accurate anyhow since I can get 30 FPS easy on high settings on my single card, not overclocked. Reviews are biased, facts are not. I'm just saying since I owned a GTX460 before I owned my AMD (It burned out within months) and IMO the AMD outperforms it by miles.

You are the biased one. Nothing you say is fact.

30 FPS? Haha, I do not find that playable at all. I want at least 40 FPS on single player games and 60+ on multiplayer games. I do not want any slow downs for being the reason I get killed playing an FPS.

Did you even check those reviews out I showed? AMD is not ahead by miles regarding Nvidia either. AMD has the dual GPU card crown while Nvidia has a single GPU one. For the most part each has a card that lines up directly with another's at around the same performance for the same price. I don't know why you think AMD is outdoing Nvidia 5 fold when to comes to performance.

[Zulthus]

Alright, I'm gonna repeat myself once more.

I have owned both a Nvidia GTX460, which burned out in months.

I currently own a ATi Radeon HD5870, which has lasted me more than a year.

The ATI card outperforms my old Nvidia card in every aspect. Framerate and all.

PhysX still runs fine on my CPU.

That is why IN MY OPINION I believe that ATI is better that Nvidia.

I am not participating in a video card fanboy war, so I have stated my opinion and if you don't like it, leave it.

Thanks

[Goku]

I am not a fan boy as I haven't had a Nvidia card, since my 8800 in 2008. You said it ATI performs miles ahead of Nvidia, which is not true. Its a known fact PhysX runs badly on CPUs you could even tell it by the expression on the Nvidia's Rep at Fan Faire. Every card has a chance to die off regardless of maker, that is why there is at least a 2 year warranty on all cards. Only fact you said was the 5870 being a stronger card then the GTX 460 and its nowhere close to being double. If you are done with this then so am I. I just do not like it when people say "facts" and only confuse others who are not knowledgeable on the subject.

[BorisBlade]

No idea then. As long as PS2 doesn't as bad as PS1 (I GET SINGLE DIGIT FPS ON A 4 YEAR OLD COMPUTER) it should be fine.

Really? i was gettin like 50 fps on my 6 year old system before i upgraded.

My new one is an oc'd i7-2600k and an oc'd gtx 580, wont be any probs runnin it. Plus the system is set up with adding another 580 in SLI if i want. But at the $500+ price each at the time, i figured i could let em come down in price a bit first.

I laugh at some of you sayin you need upgrades when you run these systems that are still better than literally 95% of gamers. Seriously, dual 470's and you think you need an upgrade? you beat my 580 with that and there is nothin I cant run at max settings. And no, 16gb is not even remotely standard, 8 isnt even standard unless they are sellin a game system. You guys would be surprised at the avg gamer's rig and how low it is compared to what most of us have.

I bought my rig in March, 4gb was default avg for the systems, had to hunt to find the 2100mhz 8gb sticks.

I would def go with 8gb standard now and it should be plenty for PS2. Those 5 year old systems are prob limited to 2-4gb's so my guess is 3gb minimum reqs, with 6 to run in the massive fights smoothly with it all cranked up. And honestly that could be high, the large fight size is all that makes me think you might even need that much. Crysis 2/BF3 require only 2gb with 3-4 recomended. PS1 required a measly 256mb and ran well once you got 768mb or up (despite the 512 recommended listing it still stuttered til 768).

[Vancha]

I have owned both a Nvidia GTX460, which burned out in months.

I currently own a ATi Radeon HD5870, which has lasted me more than a year.

Have you owned more than a single Nvidia card? If not, the judgement seems slightly unfair.

Personally I've always liked ATI more than Nvidia, but they seem to be pretty close now. Typically ATI is better value, draws less power and operates quieter, while Nvidia is less value, less efficient and noisier, but more powerful...especially with certain things like PhysX or certain graphical settings (I believe Nvidia was far better with anti-aliasing or anisotropic filtering for a while?). Though I seem to recall the latest generation of Nvidia cards saw some improvements in power draw and noise.

[Zulthus]

Have you owned more than a single Nvidia card? If not, the judgement seems slightly unfair.

Personally I've always liked ATI more than Nvidia, but they seem to be pretty close now. Typically ATI is better value, draws less power and operates quieter, while Nvidia is less value, less efficient and noisier, but more powerful...especially with certain things like PhysX or certain graphical settings (I believe Nvidia was far better with anti-aliasing or anisotropic filtering for a while?). Though I seem to recall the latest generation of Nvidia cards saw some improvements in power draw and noise.

Honestly I haven't, which is why I was making an opinion based on what I've seen so far. All I've been able to draw from it is my ATI card outperformed my Nvidia. And yes, Nvidia used to be the king of video cards, but they've been slacking lately.

[Goku]

The 8800 series kicked ATI's ass as the 2900 series was god awful. Image quality belonged to Nvidia at the point as well especially, since the 2900 XT performance went down hill with AA enabled. Thankfully though everything was good with the intro of the 4800 series and both have been fairly tied, since then.

To be honest I wouldn't of been shocked if ATI went under if AMD had not bought them when the 2900 series came in. Literally no one was buying the cards. AMD while an underdog in the CPU department still has bigger pockets then ATI ever did. Imagine just having one good graphics manufacture :/.

[Rbstr]

Don't forget the Femi chips stomp all over ATI in tessellation, one of the bigger DX11 features (and something ATI has implemented for a long time...it's weird they're lose in such a big way).

But that's just pocking the fanboy beehive.
You can't really go terribly wrong either way.
I simply tend to buy nVidia for the CUDA stuff, even if the ATI card give a slightly higher frame rate....if it's over 60 I don't particularly care anyway.

[Zulthus]

I don't know, I can get along just fine with 30 FPS while alot of people complain that's way too slow. I don't honestly see the difference, gameplay is smooth enough for me.

[Goku]

Fermi had a dedicated tessellation unit built in, so the GPU had a major advantage over the 5800 series in that regards. Though AMD fixed this on the 6800 and 6900 series. The 6800 series perform better tessellation despite having less SP and the 6900s are almost as good as Nvidia these days thankfully.

One thing I do wonder is if the PhysX is going to be under a lot more stress. It was more controlled in single player games, but with a game with several hundred people thats a lot of possible animations. This will be interesting.

[SurgeonX]

Just got myself an SSD and a 6990, so I'm hoping that's me sorted for a good few years yet.
Looking forward to PS2 using Eyefinity though :)

[Goku]

Just got myself an SSD and a 6990, so I'm hoping that's me sorted for a good few years yet.
Looking forward to PS2 using Eyefinity though :)

Hopefully you can get the UI centered on the center screen. Current PS has it stretched out over 3 monitors.

[SavageB]

Why buy ATI when Sony is clearly in bed with nvidia this time around?



Only thing I'd be interested in is the RAM but it's already dirt cheap brand new on newegg.

Why 12+ GB of RAM? Just 'cuz?

Hopefully you can get the UI centered on the center screen. Current PS has it stretched out over 3 monitors.

That would be disgusting to look at lol....over three monitors is a bit much, but I'm sure we will see a diff in UI and settings in this new PS :)

[Vancha]

Just got myself an SSD and a 6990, so I'm hoping that's me sorted for a good few years yet.
Looking forward to PS2 using Eyefinity though :)
The power/noise/temps on double-GPU cards usually make me cringe.

Is it me, or are there not really any amazing GPU coolers around right now? I remember back in the 4890 days every review lauded Sapphire's Vapor/Toxic cooler as the best, but these days they all seem to be pretty average.

[Goku]

The power/noise/temps on double-GPU cards usually make me cringe.

Is it me, or are there not really any amazing GPU coolers around right now? I remember back in the 4890 days every review lauded Sapphire's Vapor/Toxic cooler as the best, but these days they all seem to be pretty average.

The HAWK (MSI) cooler seems to be good along with the Direct II (ASUS double slot not triple). Always see reviewers giving them praise. If you want aftermarket the Shaman is really good from Thermalright though it takes like 3-4 extra slots lol.

[Warruz]

The power/noise/temps on double-GPU cards usually make me cringe.

Is it me, or are there not really any amazing GPU coolers around right now? I remember back in the 4890 days every review lauded Sapphire's Vapor/Toxic cooler as the best, but these days they all seem to be pretty average.
HIS icube cooler or w/e its called works very well if you dont feel like installing your own.

HOWEVER a simple redo on the thermal paste goes MILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my 4870 O.C ran like 70-80C on 50% fan. Redid the thermal paste and 40-50c.

[Goku]

HIS icube cooler or w/e its called works very well if you dont feel like installing your own.

HOWEVER a simple redo on the thermal paste goes MILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my 4870 O.C ran like 70-80C on 50% fan. Redid the thermal paste and 40-50c.

Yes that thermal paste issue is rather funny. Its like these assemblers take the goo squirter gun and spray the IHS with 10 times the amount needed of that then sit the heatsink on top.

[Raymac]

The very first time I ever upgraded a computer was because of the first Planetside game. Then every other time I would do an upgrade, I would run it on Planetside to see what kind of increase in performance I got.

I'm hoping my AMD Phenom II x4 965 with my dated GTX260 will hold up, but I'm pessimistic so I'm starting to save up for a new GPU.

[Bags]

The very first time I ever upgraded a computer was because of the first Planetside game. Then every other time I would do an upgrade, I would run it on Planetside to see what kind of increase in performance I got.

I'm hoping my AMD Phenom II x4 965 with my dated GTX260 will hold up, but I'm pessimistic so I'm starting to save up for a new GPU.

They said they wanted it to run well on a 4 - 5 year old machine. No idea how well "well" is though.

[Aractain]

My 580 says no. Much like Fredbob.

[Baneblade]

job... I need to spend my money lol

Those two things don't go together. If you can't live without the job indefinitely, you need to save money not spend it. And by indefinitely, I mean you have at least $250k saved for every five years you expect to live.

[DviddLeff]

I'm going to update when I need to; when the games i want to play won't run on my rig.

Skyrim may require it...

[Duddy]

I'm going to update when I need to; when the games i want to play won't run on my rig.

Skyrim may require it...

QFT

Only reason you should be upgrading is if your PC doesn't do what you need/want it to :P

(Granted your "want" could be to have it demolish anything you play)

[Goku]

QFT

Only reason you should be upgrading is if your PC doesn't do what you need/want it to :P

(Granted your "want" could be to have it demolish anything you play)

Agreed. I always get a kick from people jumping from one CPU to the next. Those easily should last you a few video generations especially, since CPUs do not have major performance jumps in gaming. Even a AMD 955 BE against a 2500k at higher resolutions with high settings are roughly the same performance. At least with GPUs you can almost double your performance every generation you get a new one.

[Bags]

My dual core @ 2.66 is le 4 years old :( I'd be amazed if it can run PS2, but I'm prepared to upgrade if needed.

My parents just bought my bro a $480 bike so I have $400 "equality" spending cash.

[ShowNoMercy]

I talked with a few friends from PS1 outfit, most of us are getting new rigs, my limit is about $800 so hopefully i can get something decent for those 8 C notes.

[Kietharr]

Probably not, I put this rig together two years ago and I've yet to find a game that it doesn't absolutely dominate at maximum graphics settings. Only EQ2 has ever forced me to pull it down to 'very high' instead of the 'extreme' setting that has a disclaimer when you enable it that it's intended only for screenshots, and I only had to turn it down when in a raid.

Phenom 2 quad core and 5870, it's been a little gem so far, aside from the crappy default AMD CPU cooler's mount snapping and it falling off onto the back of my video card. Fortunately, no damage. Well, except to the CPU cooler but whatever, that was a $50 fix for something I shouldn't have cheaped out on in the first place.

[Bags]

I talked with a few friends from PS1 outfit, most of us are getting new rigs, my limit is about $800 so hopefully i can get something decent for those 8 C notes.

$800 + newegg = pretty damn good rig.

[Baneblade]

I talked with a few friends from PS1 outfit, most of us are getting new rigs, my limit is about $800 so hopefully i can get something decent for those 8 C notes.

Reuse as much of it as you can (case, PSU, etc) and you should be able to do it.

[Dreamcast]

Thanks for the help...460 and 5870 looks nice.


I might wait till black friday and gets some cheap deal tho.

[Infektion]

Ok, that's it, i've made the final choice.


I'm going to buy a GTX 460. Sub 150ish with rebates. That being said, the E8400 at 3.5Ghz+ does fairly well in games such as far cry 2, I was running the 512MB 4850 and doing pretty good for such an eye candy game, settings not fullest, but pretty high. Now, with that in mind, my E8400 + GTX 460 1GB and 4GB ram, should all in all, have absolutely no problem with PS2. :love:

[Bags]

Yeah, I hope my GTX 460 will be fine when I upgrade to a decent CPU.

[Infektion]

That's what I'm getting at... GTX 460 does really good in games like farcry2, Crysis(2) and metro 2033... there is no doubt in my mind it'll handle PS2.

[Bags]

Will be a lot better than when I had to play PS1 at 10 FPS in red alerts ^_^

[Traak]

PS2 will be a reason for an upgrade. I can use it for other stuff, too...

But, let's face it SLI and every single possible upgrade available to man, plus fascinating levels of overclocking and tweaking has its place. :)

Why rent movies when you can play in one, so to speak?

[Coreldan]

I bought Novatech Revolution (http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/pc/range/revolution.html) few months back to play APB (upgraded from 2½ years old laptop :D), I'd figure it should suffice nicely for PS2, seeing that they are aiming 4 year old computers as their low-end.

I can also overclock the shit out of the CPU just by getting a new cooler. The GPU is pretty weak (irrelevant for APB that was mostly using CPU), so that is the first thing ill upgrade anyways.

[Bags]

As long as I can play with 60 FPS 90% of the time and the game does not look like complete shit I'm fine.