YOU CAN PRE-ORDER PLANETSIDE 2!

[LZachariah]

This is not a joke, it is not a scam. I've been gushing to my sweet, wonderful girlfriend about Planetside 2 for the past few weeks, and, God bless her, she snuck off to the local Gamestop in our town and asked them if one can pre-order it. The attendant hadn't actually heard of the game, but he looked it up and found that yes, just TWO DAYS before she came in to ask, it appeared on the available pre-order list. So, she bought the game in full, God bless her heart, and crafted this beautiful frame with seed paper and pretty handwriting, wrote me a sweet message, and wrapped the "you own this game" receipt into some scrollwork at the bottom.

So, what does this tell us?

1. My girlfriend is a glorious angel.

2. Planetside 2 will NOT be 100% Free-to-Play.

3. YOU CAN PRE-ORDER PLANETSIDE 2!

Is it possible that I'm the first person on these forums who owns the game? *looks around in confusion* It hadn't even occurred to me to ASK them if I could pre-order it.


Wow. Just... so much awesomeness.

~Zachariah

[Tigersmith]

http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/planetside-2/92542

Your right! WHAT!!

[LZachariah]

YES! SEE?! I was SO amazed when she sweetly handed me the framed message. It's ALL because of her that we found this out!!!!

What a wonderful darling she is.

[Zulthus]

This is great news!! Except for there being a F2P aspect. Unrelentless hackers FTL :( [that is unless this new security team is on 24/7] Anyway, I've already pre-ordered it! Thanks for the info.

--I also like that there's a retail version and it isn't exclusive to steam or something.

[Tigersmith]

This is fantastic news. not free 2 play. Im at work right now cant get any happier!

[Vancha]

So a confirmation on "tightly packed urban centers", fuel (?), power plants and ammo depots?

[Zulthus]

This is fantastic news. not free 2 play. Im at work right now cant get any happier!

Not 100% Free to play. There's still going to be some kind, as expected.

[LZachariah]

It's all because of my Laura. Everyone just thank God that she's such a sweetheart :D

[Jownzorz]

This is great news!! Except for there being a F2P aspect. Unrelentless hackers FTL :( [that is unless this new security team is on 24/7] Anyway, I've already pre-ordered it! Thanks for the info.

--I also like that there's a retail version and it isn't exclusive to steam or something.

Where does it metion F2P?


EDIT: Sorry, didn't read the OP's full post. I'm happy about not complete F2P. Maybe they'll segregate the free players?? *fingerscrossed*

[Logit]

Where does it metion F2P?

This. Just because it doesn't mention a subscription on a pre-order website, doesn't mean there isn't one...

[Zulthus]

They've already hinted at a F2P aspect at the dev panel. And it's SOE. Also, why would they make you spend $50 on a subscription-based game?

[Tigersmith]

No you guys mistake what i was saying. alot of people thought this would be a game where you could just download for free with all microtrans. but now since its retail :D

Im all for some free component woo

[Zulthus]

No you guys mistake what i was saying. alot of people thought this would be a game where you could just download for free with all microtrans. but now since its retail :D

Im all for some free component woo

I would be fine with it, as long as you have to enter in a valid credit card.

[basti]

They've already hinted at a F2P aspect at the dev panel. And it's SOE. Also, why would they make you spend $50 on a subscription-based game?

What?

[Jownzorz]

YES! SEE?! I was SO amazed when she sweetly handed me the framed message. It's ALL because of her that we found this out!!!!

What a wonderful darling she is.

It's all because of my Laura. Everyone just thank God that she's such a sweetheart :D

We understand you love your girlfriend... but we're all pretty preoccupied with the pre-order news.

[LZachariah]

I'm fine with either model, honestly. Even though I own the game, I'm still gonna use the microtransactions anyway :D


Does this mean that the beta/launch might be closer than we thought?

[Zulthus]

What?

Yes?

[Logit]

Also, why would they make you spend $50 on a subscription-based game?

Because that's how they do it? I'm not sure I understand this.

[Jownzorz]

I'm fine with either model, honestly. Even though I own the game, I'm still gonna use the microtransactions anyway :D


Does this mean that the beta/launch might be closer than we thought?

One would assume. Right?

[LZachariah]

Jownzors:

"We understand you love your girlfriend... but we're all pretty preoccupied with the pre-order news. "

Haha, well said Jownzorz :D I'm happy to be able to be the one who could spring this great news on everyone :)

[basti]

Yes?

What do you mean with that? Ofc sony would let you buy a subscription based game first, like they did with every subscription based game in the past, and like every other subscription based game has done it.

You sound like that you cant understand that they want you to buy the game AND pay a subscription for it.

[Jownzorz]

What do you mean with that? Ofc sony would let you buy a subscription based game first, like they did with every subscription based game in the past, and like every other subscription based game has done it.

You sound like that you cant understand that they want you to buy the game AND pay a subscription for it.

I'm on the same page as you. No idea what the other guys are referring to.

[MgFalcon]

OMFG!

Just got the tweet, just woke up... Now going to race to Gamestop and pre-order

I might need coffee first... :(

[Zulthus]

Every subscription based game I've ever played (alot) has made me pay the first $15-20 (first month included.) /shrug. Planetside 1 is also $15. That is what I base my opinion off of.

[Desoxy]

Can we be sure that Gamestop added it into their catalog because SOE told them so specifically or simply because the game was generally announced?

Or in other words: Does that really rule out F2P for sure? (which I would like :love:)

I am really not sure how that works..

[L4G]

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Why can't I preorder from amazon.co.uk!!!

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[LZachariah]

Yeah, buying a game and then paying a monthly fee is how MMO's have run for basically like, the last 10 years? It's only VERY recently that SOME games have started switching over to F2P with microtransactions. I dunno why anyone would be confused over Sony using the previous model. Or combining them, etc.

[Zulthus]

Yeah, buying a game and then paying a monthly fee is how MMO's have run for basically like, the last 10 years? It's only VERY recently that SOME games have started switching over to F2P with microtransactions. I dunno why anyone would be confused over Sony using the previous model. Or combining them, etc.

Because I haven't seen a subscription based game yet that makes you pay $50 up front.

[Tigersmith]

I will be preordering this asap. Also keeping a eye out for collectors and Digital editions.

Will be getting everything :D

[p0intman]

Not going to pre-order jack shit. Why? I'll wait for a while post-release to see how it plays out and what its like, if I don't get a test invite.

[Tigersmith]

Not going to pre-order jack shit. Why? I'll wait for a while post-release to see how it plays out and what its like, if I don't get a test invite.

dont lie to yourself. your going to preorder

I will even if its a awful beta. Its Planetside 2... Dreams could come true. for many they already have :D

[Jownzorz]

Because I haven't seen a subscription based game yet that makes you pay $50 up front.

The original Planetside was $50 and you got a free month after you entered a valid credit card. Then it was the usual $14.99 a month.

[basti]

Because I haven't seen a subscription based game yet that makes you pay $50 up front.

You, sir, never really played MMOs before, right?

Eve online, WOW, SWG, EQ2, even planetside, they ALL did cost about 50, with one free month, and then subscription.


F2P is not yet ruled out, for several reasons:
1. Remember Guild Wars? Box also costs cash, but the game is F2P
2. We dont know if this preorder stuff is official, or if Gamestop and Amazon just put it on before they even have details. Happens alot, just to get cash sooner rather than later.


In case this is official: You may have noticed that there is only a Preoder for a PC version, no preoder for a PS3. :)

[Logit]

Because I haven't seen a subscription based game yet that makes you pay $50 up front.

WoW, and EVERY WoW Expansion.
EQ1
EQ2
SWG
PS1

[LZachariah]

That's a good point, Desoxy, and it's one that I had considered myself. I think that if the game is available for preorder, Sony HAD to have a hand in it, because Sony tells Gamestop how much to charge for it (in this case, $49.99). Gamestop wouldn't be able to just "make up" a price. So, it evidences that there MUST have been some communication between Sony and Gamestop in order for this to be listed for preorder. Now, I don't necessarily think that this news rules out a F2P component of the game. Perhaps anyone can log into the game for free and play up to BR5? Or maybe anyone can log in and just play indefinitely, but someone who buys the game gets unlimited customization options and enjoys leveling twice as fast, with 2x speed on skill-learning as well? There are multiple models that could be used. To be honest, I'm glad that this will be a full-ticket-price game, because I want the studio to have LOTTTTS of money and resources to keep this game HUGE. Now, on the other hand, I want it to have a massive population, so they would be VERY wise to let everyone join, even for free, while giving huge benefits to people who buy the entire game.

Technology equals might.

~Zachariah

[Zulthus]

You, sir, never really played MMOs before, right?

Eve online, WOW, SWG, EQ2, even planetside, they ALL did cost about 50, with one free month, and then subscription.


F2P is not yet ruled out, for several reasons:
1. Remember Guild Wars? Box also costs cash, but the game is F2P
2. We dont know if this preorder stuff is official, or if Gamestop and Amazon just put it on before they even have details. Happens alot, just to get cash sooner rather than later.

EVE online - $20, with all free expansions. I currently play.

WOW - $20 for the base game. I used to play this pile of shit.

SWG - Ok, I wouldn't know here, was never interested.

EQ2 - Same as EQ2


I have also already placed a pre-order on PS2. It's most likely legit.

In case this is official: You may have noticed that there is only a Preoder for a PC version, no preoder for a PS3. :)
EQ1 & 2 also cost $50 up-front because they all have god-knows how many expansions included now (like 15?)

[Jownzorz]

EVE online - $20, with all free expansions. I currently play.

WOW - $20 for the base game. I used to play this pile of shit.

SWG - Ok, I wouldn't know here, was never interested.

EQ2 - Same as EQ2


I have also already placed a pre-order on PS2. It's most likely legit.

In case this is official: You may have noticed that there is only a Preoder for a PC version, no preoder for a PS3.

You must have not been around for any of these games when they were released...

[Whoknowswhat1]

That's a good point, Desoxy, and it's one that I had considered myself. I think that if the game is available for preorder, Sony HAD to have a hand in it, because Sony tells Gamestop how much to charge for it (in this case, $49.99). Gamestop wouldn't be able to just "make up" a price. So, it evidences that there MUST have been some communication between Sony and Gamestop in order for this to be listed for preorder.

$50 is the average/base for PC games. i really don't see any reason why gamestop/amazon would put it at a different price. if it was higher or lower, then we would know that SOE had a say in the pricing

[basti]

EQ1 & 2 also cost $50 up-front because they all have god-knows how many expansions included now (like 15?)

Erm.
Eve and WOW did cost 50 with release. Trust me, i was there.

Price goes down later, same will happen with PS2.

[FastAndFree]

But if I preorder now... what about Collector's Edition? :confused:

[p0intman]

dont lie to yourself. your going to preorder

I will even if its a awful beta. Its Planetside 2... Dreams could come true. for many they already have :D


I don't pre-order shit because of rampant fanboyism over the original.

[Tigersmith]

I don't pre-order shit because of rampant fanboyism over the original.

Fair enough. :)

[Brokinarrow]

How official is this preorder though? I know a lot of stores will offer pre-orders of games as long as they are fairly sure it will come out at SOME point. They'll simply move your money onto an official pre-order from SOE once they release details on that. The lack of any type of original box-art plus the lack of a pre-order announcement from SOE points to this being stores just trying to bring in extra money now rather than waiting for the official announcement.

[Whoknowswhat1]

How official is this preorder though? I know a lot of stores will offer pre-orders of games as long as they are fairly sure it will come out at SOME point. They'll simply move your money onto an official pre-order from SOE once they release details on that. The lack of any type of original box-art plus the lack of a pre-order announcement from SOE points to this being stores just trying to bring in extra money now rather than waiting for the official announcement.

They cant take your money until they have the game shipped out... doing this as a preemptive strike would merely give a rough estimate of how many people want the game (as well as making us very very excited)

[BlazingSun]

dont lie to yourself. your going to preorder

I will even if its a awful beta. Its Planetside 2... Dreams could come true. for many they already have :D

I won't. I have seen almost nothing yet that would prompt me to such an action.

The game costs 50$? Does that mean it will cost ~40€? (But who knows what will happen to the € in the next month ... could be 200€ by then ...)

[TacosWLove]

SCHWEET!!! I think we are getting closer! Nice surprise after lengthly delays!

[krnasaur]

what im worried about: what extras come with the preorder
and when will they bump it down to a free download?

[TacosWLove]

Wait, alot of this looks like new information! I havent seen this info anywhere else:

http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/planetside-2/92542

[BlazingSun]

and when will they bump it down to a free download?

What? 3-4 years after launch maybe.

[Zulthus]

Wait, alot of this looks like new information! I havent seen this info anywhere else:

http://www.gamestop.com/pc/games/planetside-2/92542

The only unconfirmed news I see on there is 15 vehicles and 20 basic guns.

[DviddLeff]

Nah that's all old info.

Still no mention of a release date.

My girlfriend on the other hand will likely destroy my PC once I start playing PS2...

[Firefly]

Who the fuck cares about Collector's Edition? Order the goddamn thing and stop your pontificating bitching. You're pre-ordering. Not ordering and paying in full - amirite? You can, as I understand it, always say "Nah, no thanks" and then turn around and order the Collector's Edition (which will do exactly what? Give you a neat-oh metal box and maybe a comic book?).

[Zulthus]

Nah that's all old info.

Still no mention of a release date.

My girlfriend on the other hand will likely destroy my PC once I start playing PS2...

Did they already confirm the guns/vehicles? Damn, missed it I guess. Can I get a link?

[krnasaur]

What? 3-4 years after launch maybe.

maybe not free, but not 50$ either

[Hamma]

If you do pre-order it you can do so on Amazon here and support PSU at the same time. :)

[Lunarchild]

Who the fuck cares about Collector's Edition? Order the goddamn thing and stop your pontificating bitching. You're pre-ordering. Not ordering and paying in full - amirite? You can, as I understand it, always say "Nah, no thanks" and then turn around and order the Collector's Edition (which will do exactly what? Give you a neat-oh metal box and maybe a comic book?).

There's a thread for that (http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36646).

Anyhows, I'm going to wait with pre-ordering because 1) I can't pre-order it over here yet and 2) I want to hear from SOE that what they're going to sell first ^^

[Goku]

This is fantastic news. not free 2 play. Im at work right now cant get any happier!

I don't think PS was ever going to be free to play without buying the game. I would not be shocked the game has a non monthly subbed attached plan on it as well.

[LZachariah]

Nah that's all old info.

Still no mention of a release date.

My girlfriend on the other hand will likely destroy my PC once I start playing PS2...


You can chill with us, Dvidd. I'll totally make nachos.

[Bags]

EDIT: Sorry, didn't read the OP's full post. I'm happy about not complete F2P. Maybe they'll segregate the free players?? *fingerscrossed*

Why would you want this? Segregating free players means less bodies for everyone to shoot at.

Oh, and is there actually a reason to pre-order?

[Bags]

not ALL old

"Air ground and seaborne combat, the battles will be larger and more intense than ever. "

When the hell did they confirm watercrafts?

Higby actually said there wouldn't be but he really liked the idea of Naval warfare.

But seriously, what's the point of pre-ordering? ?_?

[Tigersmith]

not ALL old

"Air ground and seaborne combat, the battles will be larger and more intense than ever. "

When the hell did they confirm watercrafts?

This is the first info we have had on this. Fantastic. :groovy:

[Raymac]

It's all because of my Laura. Everyone just thank God that she's such a sweetheart :D

1.) Thank you. This news put a big smile on my face. :D
2.) Marry that girl.
3.) I like how we are one of the big selling points. ("years of gamer feedback")

[basti]

This is the first info we have had on this. Fantastic. :groovy:

They already said that sea combat will not be in for launch, but at a later date maybe.

Means these infos are actually just wrong. Making me believe that the entire preoder stuff has nothing to do with sony. Someone call Smed already!

[Firefly]

Higby actually said there wouldn't be but he really liked the idea of Naval warfare.
Correction: he said "not at release". I believe he either implied or stated directly that it could come out later.

[Rbstr]

I hate to be a party pooper.

But this really doesn't matter. Things are available for pre-order damn near as soon as they're announced these days, regardless of release date.

[Tigersmith]

They already said that sea combat will not be in for launch, but at a later date maybe.

Means these infos are actually just wrong. Making me believe that the entire preoder stuff has nothing to do with sony. Someone call Smed already!

Actually I am looking at the press release that PSU got from Fan Faire.

Its the exact same one. idk how we missed it before. Or maybe i was just too excited and passed it by

[Tigersmith]

I hate to be a party pooper.

But this really doesn't matter. Things are available for pre-order damn near as soon as they're announced these days, regardless of release date.

The fact is we are getting closer to release. Even if its a year out. We can still all be excited!

[p0intman]

SO IT TURNS OUT THAT DUKE NUKEM FOREVER CAME OUT BEFORE PLANETSIDE 2.

Who woulda thunk it?

[Death2All]

Did they state whether or not that this will be a digital download? Or do we preorder a box with a set of disks? Either way, it's seems a little stupid to preorder it unless there's some sort of guaranteed early download thing like most games have (download the game early before it unlocks so you can play right away once they open it up) or higher priority access to the beta.



I think I might just preorder it because they don't charge you until the game ships so it's more of like a precaution at this point.

[Raymac]

My hopes are high, but I am going to keep my pesimistic attitude until Viraggo or higby or smed say something official.

I was going to jump on you for being Captain Buzzkill, but you do make a good point.

It is a little curious that SOE wouldn't make some sort of announcement that you can pre-order the game. Maybe Amazon and Gamestop are jumping the gun a bit using information we have up to this point.....but it's still exciting.

[Bags]

What is the point of pre-ordering?

[Raymac]

What is the point of pre-ordering?

SOE gets to see some early sales data?

[Tigersmith]

What is the point of pre-ordering?

Maybe you get into beta? you never know

This is a MMO. They need to test it at some point.

[Bags]

We get into beta for being subscribed to PS, according to Smed.

[Bags]

Okay.

[Whoknowswhat1]

We get into beta for being subscribed to PS, according to Smed.

and beta came out end of Q1 beginning of Q2 right (also like smed said). Besides you cant believe everything you read on the internet. thats how world war one got started

[Bags]

Being subbed will not get you into beta..... being subbed for a specific duration might... but if they say beta will come out next week, and 5000 people resign up and pay 14.99 for beta access... you don't honestly believe they are going to give it to them?

Well if they didn't Smed would be a liar.

and beta came out end of Q1 beginning of Q2 right (also like smed said)

Well they did switch it into a full sequel.

So uh, how does pre-ordering from gamestop work? I click the blue pre-order link and nothing happens.

[LZachariah]

1.) Thank you. This news put a big smile on my face. :D
2.) Marry that girl.
3.) I like how we are one of the big selling points. ("years of gamer feedback")



You, sir, kick ass, and I'll kill alongside you anyday :)

[Tigersmith]

Being subbed will not get you into beta..... being subbed for a specific duration might... but if they say beta will come out next week, and 5000 people resign up and pay 14.99 for beta access... you don't honestly believe they are going to give it to them?

No I dont believe that. We will just have to wait and findout

[Logit]

1.) Thank you. This news put a big smile on my face. :D
2.) Marry that girl.
3.) I like how we are one of the big selling points. ("years of gamer feedback")

Even if a majority of that feedback was "STOP FUCKING SUCKING AT YOUR JOB ASSHOLES."

[Bags]

Hmm, so the pre-order link on Gamestop doesn't work and I dunno how to pre-order on Amazon either.

Edit: found the pre-order on amazon button.

[FastAndFree]

Well if they didn't Smed would be a liar.
No because he never said anything like "every single Planetside subscriber is guaranteed to get into beta".

He said the first(?) beta testers will be Planetside players

[Bags]

No because he never said anything like "every single Planetside subscriber is guaranteed to get into beta".

He said the first(?) beta testers will be Planetside players

I don't think SOE wants to slap their player base in the face that badly. It's not like there's even that many people subbed... why not invite all of your current playerbase to test a game you want them to by?

BTW, why do I have to pay now for a pre-order on Amazon? That makes no sense.

[Logit]

So this is how I see it after looking at about 20 other pre-order games.

IF SOE confirms this, the game is no more than 7 months ago full version if you take into consideration crysis 2 beta, moh beta, crysis beta, bfbc2 beta, (shit these are all EA games..... )

REGARDLESS!

If they confirm this and they are allowing pre-sales, then they have to have a damn near finished product, maybe not finished.. but damn near.. and from a couple of the screenshots i seen, the game is looking frailing gorgeous.

That dude had his FOOT.. on a ROCK.

bahahahaha :rofl:

But yeah, the simple fact that these are all EA games kind of makes the point moot.

If we had some concrete SOE evidence, than maybe I would join in on this speculation.

[Malorn]

# WEAPONS: Players will be able to access more than 20 basic weapons, which can be customized to players' preference or purpose.
# VEHICLES: A total of 15 vehicles, with two unique vehicles per empire. Players will be able to customize each vehicle, unlocking new skills and features

Speculation on what those are....GO!

Battles can last for days or weeks, so players will need to build alliances and specialized combat outfits to take on long-term strategic and tactical initiatives.

"Build Alliances" - Interesting.

[Bags]

Higby already confirmed alliances. Nothing new there.

Anyhow, is there a way to pre-order without paying now? I don't want to be out $50 for a game that may not release for a year.

[Logit]

Higby already confirmed alliances. Nothing new there.

Anyhow, is there a way to pre-order without paying now? I don't want to be out $50 for a game that may not release for a year.

The Game Stop pre-order doesn't withdraw funds until the game is shipped.

[Sentrosi]

I'm going to wait until the CE is announced. I also wonder if there is going to be any unlocks based on where you bought the game from.

[Whoknowswhat1]

I don't think SOE wants to slap their player base in the face that badly. It's not like there's even that many people subbed... why not invite all of your current playerbase to test a game you want them to by?

BTW, why do I have to pay now for a pre-order on Amazon? That makes no sense.

1 the current planetside players are either on the 45 days free, or the last remaining subscribers

2 if every current PS1 subscriber got into beta, PS1 would become almost dead. (the reason i say almost is because people would still be subscribed, but most people would be playing the beta)

3 does anyone else realize that planetside1 is going to be shut down within a couple years :( http://planetsidepark.ytmnd.com/

[Bags]

The Game Stop pre-order doesn't withdraw funds until the game is shipped.

Cool, but their pre-order hyper link doesn't work.

[Logit]

Ya, for a company that just 10 days ago said they were going to listen to a player base to make decisions... they are sure as frail leaving this one alone, even on the official planetside forums...

the three year plan is to absorb three years of bitching, add bfr's back or do what they want to do like they always do anyway, then ignore for us for another 8 years.

The "3 year plan" is a great idea. In fact, it could be the reason this game is the most epic of all time.

But again, that requires actually listening, and doing. 2 points of weakness in SOE's leader.

[Lunarchild]

So this is how I see it after looking at about 20 other pre-order games.

IF SOE confirms this, the game is no more than 7 months ago full version if you take into consideration crysis 2 beta, moh beta, crysis beta, bfbc2 beta, (shit these are all EA games..... )

REGARDLESS!

If they confirm this and they are allowing pre-sales, then they have to have a damn near finished product, maybe not finished.. but damn near.. and from a couple of the screenshots i seen, the game is looking frailing gorgeous.

That dude had his FOOT.. on a ROCK.

They had pre-orders for DNF 10 years ago...

[Malorn]

Higby already confirmed alliances. Nothing new there.


Actually he didn't. He was vague and said "outfits system". This was in the context of a large outfit's need to do multiple specializations. The word "alliances" never appeared.

We definitely recognize that the inclusion of role specific advantages as part of the outfit progression will lead players to wanting to create smaller specialized outfits / divisions. We do have a plans to address this and when we're ready to reveal more details on the outfits system (which seriously, seriously rules, by the way -- I think you guys are going to be really stoked with what we're doing here) you'll find out all about it.

No mention of alliances here. Didn't see it in any videos...

[Bags]

Actually he didn't. He was vague and said "outfits system". This was in the context of a large outfit's need to do multiple specializations. The word "alliances" never appeared.



No mention of alliances here. Didn't see it in any videos...

He was asked specifically about outfit alliances and essentially said, "yup stay tuned you'll like it".

[Raymac]

I think I'm going to hold off on pre-ordering just for now until I hear some sort of official announcement, but I have my credit card in hand, ready to pull the trigger.

When I do order it, and I suggest everyone here should do the same, I'll be using the link to Amazon through this site here. It's the least we can do considering what PSU does for us.

[Tigersmith]

He was asked specifically about outfit alliances and essentially said, "yup stay tuned you'll like it".

How long do we have to stay tuned for?

[Logit]

How long do we have to stay tuned for?

Well Beta was due out in March so.....

[Malorn]

Do you know which video it was on or interview?

Context matters, etc. Sorry to simply not believe you but people paraphrase paraphrases and that just leads to erroneous information. Would like a reference please.

[Zulthus]

Why does everbody assume there will be a Collector's Edition?

[Malorn]

Why does everbody assume there will be a Collector's Edition?

Probably because every mmo has one these days.

[Raymac]

Why does everbody assume there will be a Collector's Edition?

Because it doesn't take much to add a couple bells and whistles, double the price, and call it the Collector's Edition. It's called premium pricing, and it's what all businessmen have wet dreams about.

[Logit]

Do you know which video it was on or interview?

Context matters, etc. Sorry to simply not believe you but people paraphrase paraphrases and that just leads to erroneous information. Would like a reference please.

Higby
PlanetSide 2
Creative Director


Re: Matt Higby doing a Q&A at reddit!
SOE Employee PlanetSide 2 Developer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Firefly
How about Alliances?

-Higby-We definitely recognize that the inclusion of role specific advantages as part of the outfit progression will lead players to wanting to create smaller specialized outfits / divisions. We do have a plans to address this and when we're ready to reveal more details on the outfits system (which seriously, seriously rules, by the way -- I think you guys are going to be really stoked with what we're doing here) you'll find out all about it.



This is all I could really remember reading on the topic..

[Logit]

No, it wasn't ... everyone took what smed said and twisted it into what they wanted it to say. I read the original article (though for the frailing life of me i couldn't find it again afterwards) and they only said that they would be unveiling something in early q2 later q1... then the security collapse happened and they had to merge studios...

I think this new ps2 trailer was what was suppose to be shown in march that didnt show up until july BECAUSE of the asshole hackers and the unfortunate need to shrink the divsion.

No where did smed say beta would be released in march, at all.

Apparently, this joke went about flight ceiling level over your head.

[Malorn]

Yes I just quoted that, and it does not mention alliances. It was in the context of large outfits having to splinter and form alliances due to the specializations of the outfit. So his response was to that concern that they have a plan to address it.

Maybe alliances address it, maybe not - nothing was confirmed on alliances from that specific quote, but it is something I'd really like to know more on, so if he confirmed it somewhere I'd like to go research that topic.

[Hamma]

Guys.. let's calm down..

Breath.. Breath..

:lol:

Smed said that PlanetSide Players would get first dibs on beta which one would assume to mean be subscribed.

There has been no release date, and no beta date. No point in arguing known fact.

[Raymac]

I can't breathe, someone give me a benydryl, im allergic to bullshit :D

Until SOE confirms this pre-order thing, I wouldn't touch it with your ten foot pole.

It's not like you can pre-order it from Joe's VHS Shop. It's Amazon and Gamestop. Pretty reputable companies, so I would say the risk here is nil.

[Tigersmith]

It's not like you can pre-order it from Joe's VHS Shop. It's Amazon and Gamestop. Pretty reputable companies, so I would say the risk here is nil.

Yea you really think they just both magically came up with that same exact price?

I dont. Its real

[Tigersmith]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832135308&Tpk=planetside

NewEgg has the release date set at 12/31/11

But thats pretty off i say. just a standard release date to say.

[Lunarchild]

Yea you really think they just both magically came up with that same exact price?

I dont. Its real

That price also happens to be the same as most of the games coming out for the PC nowadays...

[Bags]

How does one pre-order from gamestop? The hyperlink pre-order doesn't work.

[Lunarchild]

How does one pre-order from gamestop? The hyperlink pre-order doesn't work.

You click the "add to cart" button...

[Bags]

But I don't want to pay $50 yet. Adding it to cart won't ask me to pay then?

[Goku]

Bags I wouldn't preorder just yet. You never know if Amazon or Steam may have a promotion going with their preorder. Be it a credit at Amazon or 10% off at steam.

[Tigersmith]

Gamestop's prices are subject to change, as they did for my duke nukem preorder.

Amazon will take a lick of ten dollars to get their money now... Perhaps soe allowed this as some extra funding to keep the game's creation pace high?

I cant believe you think that the price is a lie. I believe it is true and right from the Sony Retail Network..

Showing up all on the same day with the same cover...Do you think its still a lie?

wow

[Tigersmith]

Just outright buy it bro, just make sure to keep the receipt and order confirmation numbers and they will honor it, even if the game is potentially far away.

Also to remember your user name and password.. forgetting this on a site like this will lose you the order.

You guys can do whatever you want. They will both refund you the money if for some reason the games gets canceled . Both big online retailers.. no need to worry.

[LostSoul]

SOE working on Valve time?

[Baneblade]

Because I haven't seen a subscription based game yet that makes you pay $50 up front.

Then you have missed every retail MMORPG launch in the history of gaming.

[Tigersmith]

I don't believe it's a lie, I also know that if the company creating the game hasn't got it announced on their official website, then it can be discredited.

I want it to be true so frailing bad that ive ALREADY placed the damn preorder even with my doubts.....

I just don't want my hopes to get up super high to be crushed... but spending 50 dollars on it made me feel better... So now I will just wait as I have for the past couple years, with the assurance I paid 50 dollars on an unofficial hope.

Fair enough. Hopefully we will get some official statement soon so you will be feeling much better :D

[Tigersmith]

Tiger, I haven't heard you yell on comms in so long.. I bet if I were to get on right now, I'd get my big 'ole duke ear full of it. :D Your damn feed doesn't work for me at justin.tv anymore... did you change something?

naa i would not. im all friendly now, at most times. Unless someone is trolling. lol

[basti]

I cant believe you think that the price is a lie. I believe it is true and right from the Sony Retail Network..

Showing up all on the same day with the same cover...Do you think its still a lie?

wow

Doesnt have to mean anything. Gamestop is mining amazon for new stuff as much as amazon is mining gamestop for new stuff.

We cant be sure till someone comes along with a dark blue name. :>

[Tigersmith]

***x202a;The Pointer Sisters - I'm So Excited***x202c;‏ - YouTube

:D lol

[Firefly]

naa i would not. im all friendly now, at most times. Unless someone is trolling. lol
LEGIT!

[Tigersmith]

LEGIT!

Be careful Troll :rolleyes:

[Hamma]

So it would not be the first time that a game showed up for pre-order before it was expected I've seen it happen in the past. I'm assuming by "Announce" you guys are expecting it to show on planetside2.com.

[Bags]

Just outright buy it bro, just make sure to keep the receipt and order confirmation numbers and they will honor it, even if the game is potentially far away.

Also to remember your user name and password.. forgetting this on a site like this will lose you the order.

But I've already spent my month's "allowance", as I couldn't get a job this summer. :p

Bags I wouldn't preorder just yet. You never know if Amazon or Steam may have a promotion going with their preorder. Be it a credit at Amazon or 10% off at steam.

Okay, I was just afraid because everyone was like, "you won't get in beta if you don't pre-order" as I've never bothered with pre-ordering before.

[Sentrosi]

I wonder if PS2 will be on Steam as a pre-order.
Would make sense. DCUO is on Steam, so there is a presence there. I think they'd be remiss to not include Steam in on this game.

[Bags]

Yeah, it'd be suicide to not put a shooter on Steam (cough BF3 cough).

[Tigersmith]

I wonder if PS2 will be on Steam as a pre-order.
Would make sense. DCUO is on Steam, so there is a presence there. I think they'd be remiss to not include Steam in on this game.

I would go out and say Planetside 2 will be 100% on steam. All other SOE games are. Steam reaches soo many people its crazy to leave it off.

Yeah, it'd be suicide to not put a shooter on Steam (cough BF3 cough).

EA is stupid. they want people to use their stupid client to buy the game. Its really crazy when you need to have 3-4 different download managers to get it.

Im happy i got Crysis 2 on steam when i could. Its gone now.. Unreal

[Tigersmith]

Crysis and BF3 will sell themself, 10 million people have heard of them... they have TV commercials.... Planetside is known by 50,000 people MAX... It cannot sell itself by reputation alone.. I totally agree that it's chances to be on steam will be 100% .

If not, they cancelled the agency for nothing, and are about to dismiss Matt Higby among many others at SOE Because it will flop.

Im going to finish my "tripple a" trailer for Planetside / Planetside 2 mix... Hell i resubbed just to get footage... and the pops are AWESOME right now for getting footage.... But without Steam and proper advertising.. This game will see no more than 20,000 people, and that is being super optimistic.

No more then 20,000?

doubt that

[Goku]

Im going to finish my "tripple a" trailer for Planetside / Planetside 2 mix... Hell i resubbed just to get footage... and the pops are AWESOME right now for getting footage.... But without Steam and proper advertising.. This game will see no more than 20,000 people, and that is being super optimistic.

Steam while nice being able to be have all your games right there is not the end all be all when it comes to buying PC games. Even if it isn't on Steam I doubt it will impact sales that much. If people want the game they will buy it.

[Bags]

I would go out and say Planetside 2 will be 100% on steam. All other SOE games are. Steam reaches soo many people its crazy to leave it off.



EA is stupid. they want people to use their stupid client to buy the game. Its really crazy when you need to have 3-4 different download managers to get it.

Im happy i got Crysis 2 on steam when i could. Its gone now.. Unreal

Really? Damn, I was going to look into getting Crysis 2 later this year. Guess not.

[Raymac]

10 pages of comments in 4 hours. Thats gotta be some sort of PSU record. I think it's safe to say we are excited for this game to come out. lol

I think it's also interesting that despite this obvious excitement, the "sooner or later" poll is overwhelmingly in favor of waiting for a polished game. Sounds like we have people that waited until Christmas morning, not Christmas Eve to open their presents. :D

[Operations]

No, it wasn't ... everyone took what smed said and twisted it into what they wanted it to say. I read the original article (though for the frailing life of me i couldn't find it again afterwards) and they only said that they would be unveiling something in early q2 later q1... then the security collapse happened and they had to merge studios...
This is the only thing I ever read about the potential date for the sequel to planetside http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105953-Sony-Online-Strongly-Hints-Planetside-Sequel-Coming-This-Spring
Always seemed a bit unlikely, though if he twisted words or not I couldnt say as I wasnt there.

[Zerikin Loukbel]

Yes, that was the exact article that twisted the words around. Previous to that article was what he really said. " We have information about an upcoming FPS to show you in late q2 early q1" it was later to be confirmed as Planetside 2 and somehow it shifted into the rumor it was going to be it's beta release date.

This was probably when PS2 was still just a graphics update and not a new game on the forgelight engine. It was probably reasonably accurate at the time but stuff changed and now we get an entire new PS game instead.

[CidHighwind]

http://www.soe.com/store/

Currently down for a "prettying up?" - sounds like they might be preparing to put a big new fancy game on that new freshened up page eh?

[Whoknowswhat1]

http://www.soe.com/store/

Currently down for a "prettying up?" - sounds like they might be preparing to put a big new fancy game on that new freshened up page eh?

or take down another (SWG)

[Logit]

http://www.soe.com/getthegame/

dirty hell i thought they got RID OF PLANETSIDE TRIALS... perhaps just a typo, im at work and cant actually attempt it.

My God, "Please note that the Station Store has been closed indefinitely as we work towards building a state of the art online shopping experience. In the meantime, if you are looking to purchase game software, our digital products can be purchased here."

There is a post for this in the Planetside discussion. Virrago is working on it..so he says.

[WarChimp130]

I'll end up pre-ordering most likely, but not until I see if there are any pre-order items through any companies. When Fable III came out they had different pre-order items for almost every freaking retailer. I ended up buying through Amazon since thats what I usually get. I'll also be waiting to see if there is a collectors edition or anything like that, and I'll probably pre-order quicker if it comes with Beta.

I'll definitely be picking it up, no question there. Just want more details before I commit to one retailer over another and want to see what else might be available with it.

[Tigersmith]

http://www.soe.com/getthegame/

dirty hell i thought they got RID OF PLANETSIDE TRIALS... perhaps just a typo, im at work and cant actually attempt it.

My God, "Please note that the Station Store has been closed indefinitely as we work towards building a state of the art online shopping experience. In the meantime, if you are looking to purchase game software, our digital products can be purchased here."

They did shut it off dont worry. Free Trials dont work anymore. Try making one..

[Kurtz]

Poor girl. Obviously she has no idea what she has just done.

[Whoknowswhat1]

This is not a joke, it is not a scam. I've been gushing to my sweet, wonderful girlfriend about Planetside 2 for the past few weeks, and, God bless her, she snuck off to the local Gamestop in our town and asked them if one can pre-order it. The attendant hadn't actually heard of the game, but he looked it up and found that yes, just TWO DAYS before she came in to ask, it appeared on the available pre-order list. So, she bought the game in full, God bless her heart, and crafted this beautiful frame with seed paper and pretty handwriting, wrote me a sweet message, and wrapped the "you own this game" receipt into some scrollwork at the bottom.

1. My girlfriend is a glorious angel.

Where can i get one of these "Girlfriends" you speak of so highly?

[WarChimp130]

Poor girl. Obviously she has no idea what she has just done.

By this time next year she'll be framing his divorce papers, lol.

[Tigersmith]

By this time next year she'll be framing his divorce papers, lol.

ouch I hope not.

[WellWisherELF]

I Hope it's buy to play with micro for ONLY aesthetic items.

[Hezzy]

Did no-one else notice "Seabourne combat" ?

[Logit]

Did no-one else notice "Seabourne combat" ?

I believe it was quoted in the thread. And the official word I believe is that at release it's a no go, but something they are considering for the future.

I believe anyway...

[Whoknowswhat1]

I believe it was quoted in the thread. And the official word I believe is that at release it's a no go, but something they are considering for the future.

I believe anyway...

That is correct, but by the way Higby said it... it was something he wants very much and is extremely excited about

[MgFalcon]

Did no-one else notice "Seabourne combat" ?

Magriders will dominate the Sea...

#Justsaying

[WarChimp130]

They should be careful about talking about things that aren't in the game at release. Funcom didn't have function large scale battles or bar brawling in AoC and people almost freaking rioted, lol.

[Logit]

They should be careful about talking about things that aren't in the game at release. Funcom didn't have function large scale battles or bar brawling in AoC and people almost freaking rioted, lol.

Usually the very next thing out of their mouth is it's "part of the 3 year plan."

I believe most of us can live with this because not only does it give us a tidbit about what the game can become, but also shows they are dedicated to making this game super bad ass.

I think even more important if we are given this information before hand we can voice our opinions, as we are doing now, so that hopefully down the road we can avoid another BFR fiasco.

[Tikuto]

:huh:

:eek:

:jawdrop:




:doh:

*This topic has stagnated Tikuto's cognitive processes*

[FIREk]

I've only browsed this thread, but I think it got sidetracked towards interpersonal relations, hype and whether or not PS2 is F2P based on this "preorder".

There is, however, some interesting info to be found in the description on GameStop:
WEAPONS: Players will be able to access more than 20 basic weapons, which can be customized to players' preference or purpose.
(the original had 18 weapons, at launch, that I could recall; does that mean the 3+ unaccounted for are more unique weapons, or for instance a few additional empire-independent assault rifles?)
VEHICLES: A total of 15 vehicles, with two unique vehicles per empire. Players will be able to customize each vehicle, unlocking new skills and features
(if we count 3 MBTs, 3 likely empire-specific buggies, an ATV, the semi-confirmed bomber, and the 3 confirmed flyers, that leaves 4 vehicles; which ones could they be?)

I think we should also consider whether or not this is a preorder for a real product.
Now, the sites are reputable and they seem to have some never-before-seen information which should have only come from the publisher...
But I've seen my share of "preorders" for games that don't even exist, and quite possibly never will, like The Witcher 2 for the PS3.
A lot of companies would offer preorders for such "virtual" titles on a hunch, even if they've got no basis to assume these will ever be released, let alone when and for what price. I've always considered these "offers" as scams, or at least tricks to generate hype and site traffic.
Just to clarify, you don't pay up front for these "preorders", right?

What I mean by all of this is we shouldn't jump to conclusions just yet and this doesn't mean that Planetside 2 will be released this way - as a full-priced game.
It might start as F2P anyway, or SOE might actually sell it at first, to get some extra cash from selling retail copies, and then go F2P to attract the masses, of course.
If it will appear on store shelves, I just hope there will be enough people that would have actually bught it in the first place, to build that crucial, critical initial mass of people, to make the game as appealing as possible just before it does go F2P.

Considering the PlanetSide IP isn't too popular, starting as a $50 title might be the beginning of PS2's end...

[Raymac]

Considering the PlanetSide IP isn't too popular, starting as a $50 title might be the beginning of PS2's end...

I'm not too concerned about that. During E3, anytime a company mentioned a price, it was $50. So it's pretty much the industry standard for a major title, and Planetside 2 is going to be a major title for SOE.

[DreaM]

Considering the PlanetSide IP isn't too popular, starting as a $50 title might be the beginning of PS2's end...

If it's good it will not matter, if it's bad it won't be due to the planetside IP's reputation it'll be because the game is bad.

[FIREk]

If it's good it will not matter, if it's bad it won't be due to the planetside IP's reputation it'll be because the game is bad.

That may be, but my idea is that titles like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 8 and Battlefield 6 will most likely keep selling themselves based on the brand alone. Not so many people would gladly throw away $50 to try out an IP they never heard of before. Just my concerns and my $0.02, anyway... :)

[Logit]

That may be, but my idea is that titles like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 8 and Battlefield 6 will most likely keep selling themselves based on the brand alone. Not so many people would gladly throw away $50 to try out an IP they never heard of before. Just my concerns and my $0.02, anyway... :)

The scale of Planetside 2 will be so much more than those games can offer, I don't know how any nerd on the internet would turn down 1000 vs 1000 vs 1000 for 64 v 64

[Bags]

I bought Crysis 1 despite never playing Crysis before. I bought L4D 1 despite never playing L4D before. Etc. I don't get your point.

[FIREk]

I bought Crysis 1 despite never playing Crysis before. I bought L4D 1 despite never playing L4D before. Etc. I don't get your point.

There was marketing and hype behind both these titles. We're fanbois so we don't need to be hyped, as for currently-unilluminated gamers we can only hope that PS2's marketing will be:
1) existent :P,
2) good enough. :)

[Bags]

There was marketing and hype behind both these titles. We're fanbois so we don't need to be hyped, as for currently-unilluminated we can only hope that PS2's marketing will be:
1) existent :P,
2) good enough. :)

I'm sure there will be marketing for PS2. Don't remember seeing any marketing for L4D or Crysis tbh. just a lot of articles on the internet...

Which by the way is happening with PS2 ^_^

[knaggsy]

I will pre-order when:


It's available in the UK to order.
I know if it will be on steam or not.
I know if they are offering pre-order bonuses for ordering at different places.


I have no doubt i will pre-order ASAP but I would hate to pre-order like with BF3 and then they offer a new place to pre-order and get an extra weapons pack which was not offered at the first pre-order places.... :S

[Warruz]

I will pre-order when:


It's available in the UK to order.
I know if it will be on steam or not.
I know if they are offering pre-order bonuses for ordering at different places.


I have no doubt i will pre-order ASAP but I would hate to pre-order like with BF3 and then they offer a new place to pre-order and get an extra weapons pack which was not offered at the first pre-order places.... :S

i dont know about you, but i want the box for this one........to go next to PS1

[knaggsy]

i dont know about you, but i want the box for this one........to go next to PS1

I know what your saying and yes I would want that also but i would want it to be integrable with steam. I.E. Much like when you buy COD for example in the box it installs on steam.

[1Shotwonder]

AWESOME cost more than the first one I payed 21.-- dollars and something I believe lol j/k of course its more but wow this is great

[2coolforu]

15 Vehcs, 2 Unique?

6 (MBT + Buggy) + AMS, + ATV (1-3 variants) + Galaxy + Reaver + Mossie + Liberator + Light tank + Deliverer + Scout Vehicle?

15 Right there

[SavageB]

This is not a joke, it is not a scam. I've been gushing to my sweet, wonderful girlfriend about Planetside 2 for the past few weeks, and, God bless her, she snuck off to the local Gamestop in our town and asked them if one can pre-order it. The attendant hadn't actually heard of the game, but he looked it up and found that yes, just TWO DAYS before she came in to ask, it appeared on the available pre-order list. So, she bought the game in full, God bless her heart, and crafted this beautiful frame with seed paper and pretty handwriting, wrote me a sweet message, and wrapped the "you own this game" receipt into some scrollwork at the bottom.

So, what does this tell us?

1. My girlfriend is a glorious angel.

2. Planetside 2 will NOT be 100% Free-to-Play.

3. YOU CAN PRE-ORDER PLANETSIDE 2!

Is it possible that I'm the first person on these forums who owns the game? *looks around in confusion* It hadn't even occurred to me to ASK them if I could pre-order it.


Wow. Just... so much awesomeness.

~Zachariah


Marry this woman!!!!!!! On another note Im off To EB to see if I can pre order :)

[FIREk]

15 Vehcs, 2 Unique?

6 (MBT + Buggy) + AMS, + ATV (1-3 variants) + Galaxy + Reaver + Mossie + Liberator + Light tank + Deliverer + Scout Vehicle?

15 Right there

Possible, but I'm not sure.

I assumed the Sunderer would be dropped, but that creates a lack of a big ground transport vehicle. A Deli is nice (I switched certs between AMS and Deli back when I was playing;)) but an MBT-sized transport IFV (rather than a gianormous truck with useless guns) would be awesome.
I think Matt or Smed hinted that the AMS will be gone, since it was inconvenient for players to be limited to the single closest AMS in terms of spawn locations... The new spawn system still confuses me, but if the AMS is to be removed, the 14th vehicle may be a heavy ground transport, instead.

I also wasn't sure whether or not the Lightning (or its equivalent) will be dropped. It was a popular choice among players, though. The Wraith may be the 14th/15th vehicle instead of the Deli/Sunderer/Lightning, however. Or the generic ATV may become cloakable based on the skill tree... So many questions... :)

As for the "Scout Vehicle" I don't think it would make sense to include the Harrasser in PlanetSide 2. It was essentially the poor man's buggy/Skyguard. I would expect an AA buggy to be the last vehicle - somehow I can't imagine a Pounder with a flak launcher... :)

[Operations]

I know what your saying and yes I would want that also but i would want it to be integrable with steam. I.E. Much like when you buy COD for example in the box it installs on steam.
I am curious why would you want it integral to steam, what would that add to it for you?

[Bags]

I am curious why would you want it integral to steam, what would that add to it for you?

Steam has a nice friend interface and if it's on steam it will get more players.

[Operations]

Steam has a nice friend interface and if it's on steam it will get more players.
Wow he must be a cyber ventriloquist, he answered that without moving his keyboard :p
You can run steam anyway if you want the friends list or overlay.
Also having steam as a digital distribution partner isnt the same as saying you would like the box, but for the install to be integral with steam.
So out of everything steam does I was/am curious which part of the functionality he was after specifically.

[BorisBlade]

I'm sure there will be marketing for PS2. Don't remember seeing any marketing for L4D or Crysis tbh. just a lot of articles on the internet...

Which by the way is happening with PS2 ^_^

Actually there were tons of ads for L4D 1&2, i used to see the commercials all the time. Crysis2 had some TV ads as well. Not to mention both had a bunch of ads on gaming sites and the like as well. Plus with L4D, its zombies so thats gonna get attention, and valve came in on L4D1 and anything valve touches is gonna get swarmed.

And you cant forget Steam. Being on there alone makes a huge difference look at the crysis 2 mappack It sold like crap cause it wasnt available on steam, most people didnt even know about it. Hopefully SoE doesnt go braindead like activision/EA and puts PS2 on Steam from day 1.

[BorisBlade]

My girlfriend would shake her titties at the guys here at our gamestop to ensure that I never knew planetside 2 existed if she could.... I'll trade ya......

Thats why i dont mess around with girls who just dont get it. My gf will be kickin ass and takin names right next to me. =D

[Bags]

I saw commercials for L4D 2 but not for 1. And we're not talking about Crysis 2, we're talking about Crysis 1.

[BorisBlade]

Magriders will dominate the Sea...

#Justsaying

Easily balanced. Sea vessels would just have sizably more armor and firepower than land vehicles, and obviously much better speed on water than a mag. Much like the navy's hovercraft can be versatile and go land and sea, but they cant take on a cruiser or destroyer or really any water only attack ships.

Lets the mags keep the advantage but those who actually get watercraft which are limited to only water, will have the advantage. Pure watercraft are limited to water areas only and would need to be powerful in order to make up for their limited terrain usage. You would have water resources to gather and with decent range on the watercraft you could use them when assaulting anything near shores or on islands makin them a very unique and useful part of the game.

[Goku]

If people don't know about it, they can't purchase it.

20,000 was the most accurate yet unofficial max playerbase Planetside had ever seen in 2003. Though 20,000 in 2003 was friggin epic. It holds no torch to the current 2.9 million CONSTANTLY paying subscribers in world of worldcraft, which reached 7 million people in total.

Haha. Some people are way too into Steam. WoW isn't even avaiable on Steam. I do not see your point at all. Companies advertise all over to get their games sold. If Steam was so much better then everything else why do companies even stock in B&M stores or other online retailers?

[Solmyr]

Going back a few pages to those asking "Why pre-order", some companies/stores use pre-orders to gauge how many non pre-order copies to bring in.

The more popular a game is, the more pre-orders there will (in theory) be and the companies will multiply that number by 'X' and get an estimate of how many off-the-street sales there will (again, in theory) be.

So if too many people take the stance of "I won't bother pre-ordering, I'll just stop by the store and pick it up", there won't be many copies to be had.

This, of course, only relates to off-line sales.

[LordReaver]

Can't stores put up a pre-order page, even if they haven't made any communication with the distributors? I thought it was common practice actually. So why get excited over it?

[Vancha]

WEAPONS: Players will be able to access more than 20 basic weapons, which can be customized to players' preference or purpose.
(the original had 18 weapons, at launch, that I could recall; does that mean the 3+ unaccounted for are more unique weapons, or for instance a few additional empire-independent assault rifles?)
Force-Blade
Chainblade
Mag-cutter
Beamer
Repeater
Mag-scatter
AMP
Suppressor
Punisher
Gauss
Cycler
Pulsar
Sweeper
Jackhammer
Lasher
MCG
Rocklet
Thumper
Phoenix
Striker
Lancer
Decimator
Bolt Driver
Frag grenade
Plasma grenade
Jammer grenade

That's 26 to start off with.

[Coreldan]

One could argue that grenades, rocklets and the knives may not count as "unique weapons", it may refer to just actual firearms.

That being said, they are not bringing all that back, unless fe. the Cycler or Gauss rifle are still named that, but just look so very different (in the trailers/screenies)

[demonicale]

I'm going to be getting this game FACT!, but i've never understood people who pre-order a new game when it's only just fetting concrete information.Everyone to they're own i guess.

[Highwind]

Two things:

1) How does pre-ordering fit with the F2P part of the game? Will it be F2P until BR 5? until 10? At what point do we need a "boxed" copy or full paid for Steam copy, etc.

2) What, if any, "pre-order deals" do we foresee happening in the future? I am not a big fan of the bonus pre-order package idea, but it could yield a lot of extra TV ad time with deals from Gamestop and friends backing their version of the pre-order. Does the ecosystem of PS2 allow for "free glowing armbands" and "stickers" based on a pre-order package? (effectively a 3rd question, to what degree do we get to play dress up, outside of merits and the skill tree?)

[Brokinarrow]

F2P usually refers to the game not requiring a monthly subscription. It'd be a really bad business model to just GIVE the game you've been working on the past few years away. I don't know of any games that are just given away without some kind of monthly subscription required.

[Coreldan]

F2P usually refers to the game not requiring a monthly subscription. It'd be a really bad business model to just GIVE the game you've been working on the past few years away. I don't know of any games that are just given away without some kind of monthly subscription required.

Free2play does refer to completely free games with no mandatory costs. At least nowadays it does.

It's most likely the business model of the future, cos it 1) draws more playerbase 2) usually creates more revenue due to cash shops.

Probably a prime example of current f2p games would be APB Reloaded, LotRO or perhaps Tibia.

[FIREk]

One could argue that grenades, rocklets and the knives may not count as "unique weapons", it may refer to just actual firearms.

Hmmm... What if the MAX weapons are counted towards the total number of weapons? That would be 9 in total...

[Death2All]

Hmmm... What if the MAX weapons are counted towards the total number of weapons? That would be 9 in total...

Assuming we have 3 MAXes each empire. With the way they're putting such an emphasis on classes and customization/specialization one can assume that we could possibly only have one MAX that you are able to specialize in a certain area.

I actually like this idea. It's preventive of MAX spam because you're forced to specialize in a certain role for your MAX. Rather than having UniMAX and being able to do everything at the cost of cert points.

[morf]

2) What, if any, "pre-order deals" do we foresee happening in the future? I am not a big fan of the bonus pre-order package idea, but it could yield a lot of extra TV ad time with deals from Gamestop and friends backing their version of the pre-order. Does the ecosystem of PS2 allow for "free glowing armbands" and "stickers" based on a pre-order package? (effectively a 3rd question, to what degree do we get to play dress up, outside of merits and the skill tree?)

I'm thinking they'll use preorder as a soft-release eventually. I.E. "pre-order now and play in beta until it's released!" - a lot of games doing this nowadays and they'll want as many players in beta as they can get. They simply can't release a game designed for thousands of players on one continent until they have tested thousands of players on one continent.

[Whoknowswhat1]

2) What, if any, "pre-order deals" do we foresee happening in the future? I am not a big fan of the bonus pre-order package idea, but it could yield a lot of extra TV ad time with deals from Gamestop and friends backing their version of the pre-order. Does the ecosystem of PS2 allow for "free glowing armbands" and "stickers" based on a pre-order package? (effectively a 3rd question, to what degree do we get to play dress up, outside of merits and the skill tree?)

This is just speculation... but along side a beta, they may include a special weapon/cosmetic that would be unlocked in the game, but by pre-ordering you would get it earlier.

[basti]

Higby, as you are lurking, care to comment if this is official approved by SOE or just some common gamestop / amazon pre preorder stuff?

[Bags]

Force-Blade
Chainblade
Mag-cutter
Beamer
Repeater
Mag-scatter
AMP
Suppressor
Punisher
Gauss
Cycler
Pulsar
Sweeper
Jackhammer
Lasher
MCG
Rocklet
Thumper
Phoenix
Striker
Lancer
Decimator
Bolt Driver
Frag grenade
Plasma grenade
Jammer grenade

That's 26 to start off with.

You can't count 3 identical knives as 3 different weapons. At least I'd hope they wouldn't.

[Malorn]

Smed said there would be "F2P elements" - he didn't say the game would be F2P in its most extreme form. In that context he could have been referring to no monthly subscription, or optional monthly subscription.

Paying for the base game is important to help stave off hackers, and it is consistent with popular retail FPS games (battlefield, CoD, unreal, etc). All of those are "F2P" after you buy the game itself.

And they also have said they aren't discussing the business model yet, which could mean its still being discussed. The retail price of the game though...that's standard for the industry so I don't see them making a drastic change there.

[Death2All]

Smed said there would be "F2P elements" - he didn't say the game would be F2P in its most extreme form. In that context he could have been referring to no monthly subscription, or optional monthly subscription.

Paying for the base game is important to help stave off hackers, and it is consistent with popular retail FPS games (battlefield, CoD, unreal, etc). All of those are "F2P" after you buy the game itself.

And they also have said they aren't discussing the business model yet, which could mean its still being discussed. The retail price of the game though...that's standard for the industry so I don't see them making a drastic change there.

Personally I'd prefer a subscription based game to a F2P because it deters hackers and it makes the game less dependent on a cash shop for revenue.

That's right SOE, I'd rather give you more money. I hope you're listening.

[Bags]

Personally I'd prefer a subscription based game to a F2P because it deters hackers and it makes the game less dependent on a cash shop for revenue.

That's right SOE, I'd rather give you more money. I hope you're listening.

I dunno, I'm pretty sure that League of Legends makes, on average, far more than $15/mo from each player.

There was one guy who had spent like $1000 on LoL when it hadn't even been out for half a year.

[Death2All]

I dunno, I'm pretty sure that League of Legends makes, on average, far more than $15/mo from each player.

There was one guy who had spent like $1000 on LoL when it hadn't even been out for half a year.

Nerd/Loser hybrids tend to flock to RPGs more than FPS'. I have some unfortunate people that I call my "friends" who have spent thousands upon thousands of dollars on WoW for renames, server transfers etc. People who are insecure and have social issues play RPGs so it makes sense that they're constantly reinventing themselves on the internet and changing it up at the cost of all the money they've accumulated working at McDonalds.


An FPS gamer is more a shit-talker/loser hybrid. They feel the need to prove themselves at the cost of pride in most cases. Which worries me about what things they might choose to put in the cash shop.


Cash shop games tend to be huge imbalanced disasters as do SOE games. Mix the two of these together? N'oh my God.

[Bags]

Sweet mother of God...

[Goku]

SOE stated the cash shop is purely cosmetic. That solves what you are worried about in that area. Having to buy the game first then having a non monthly sub option after also solves the issue of any hackers getting into the game. PS2 needs a non monthly sub option to survive. If PS had one I am sure the population would of never gotten to such low levels.

[Vanir]

"The attendant hadn't actually heard of the game" I seriously hope SOE spends some money in putting up some ads for this game...

[Vanir]

"Cash shop games tend to be huge imbalanced disasters as do SOE games. Mix the two of these together? N'oh my God."

Two wrongs make a right?

[stylus]

Laura is cool and all, but my fiance is holding off for the collector's edition - sucka!

[exLupo]

You can't count 3 identical knives as 3 different weapons. At least I'd hope they wouldn't.

At the time you could still loot and store them. TR were usually much less likely to flick DL if they heard a chain blade as opposed to mag-cutter.

Good enough for me.

[Dark Atlantis]

What I would personally like to see AND in my opinion is THE way a MMO should have their buisness modell is a hybrid of F2P and B2P (buy to play).
My idea:
B2P 50€ or whatever they want to charge in the first place.
F2P afterwards (like Guild Wars) + Additional Microtransaction Shop for all the stuff they mentioned (Customization)

Personally i think this would also help a lot more people to draw their attention to the game, because I know a lot of guys that simply hate the subscription model in some MMOs and the 50€ "Account Creation" could help keeping the ammount of hackers whithin PS low.

[Senyu]

The game has no monthly subscription





It simply charges you 50 cents every time you respawn

[Whoknowswhat1]

Personally i think this would also help a lot more people to draw their attention to the game, because I know a lot of guys that simply hate the subscription model in some MMOs and the 50€ "Account Creation" could help keeping the ammount of hackers whithin PS low.

If they are hiring a 3rd party "Security Firm" it is prob going to be sub base, especially since Smed said that they were the best in the business.

[Raymac]

The game has no monthly subscription





It simply charges you 50 cents every time you respawn

Delete that shit. Don't give them any ideas like that. Some of my meatgrinder interfarm assault days will cost me hundreds. :cry:

[Bags]

I'd get to play for free!

Okay, not really.

[Whoknowswhat1]

i would rather have a $20 per month sub than 50 cents per death... i think i get more than 40 deaths per month. it is the same for everyone who plays as much as i would die 2-3 times that amount in a given week

[Aractain]

Whats funny about that is it would drive away all the bad players, meaning no one left to play the... wait a second, thats what happened last time!

I really hope there is no sub. Subs drive bad players away and I can only kill bad players. :(

[Bags]

Subs drive bad players away

WoW begs to differ.

[Tigersmith]

WoW begs to differ.

very thought out reply. Nice

Yea WoW is full of people who stand in non moving fire on the ground. Then they complain when they die.

[Aractain]

Subs drive away bad players, who go play wow.

K?

[Whoknowswhat1]

WoW begs to differ.

yea but that is an RPG, which takes no skill. so players from WoW that are moderately good, are bad to decent in other games. This is an FPS. It take a certain amount of skill to kill and not to die. although it is mostly common sense, WoW has killed that factor out of its gameplay. (it tells people where to stand, where not to stand, what to do, and even points a big fucking arrow in the direction you need to go).

[Bags]

very thought out reply. Nice

Yea WoW is full of people who stand in non moving fire on the ground. Then they complain when they die.

It was a joke but it's kind of true.

yea but that is an RPG, which takes no skill. so players from WoW that are moderately good, are bad to decent in other games.

You just keep thinking that. Does high level arena play take as much skill as high level SC2, shooter play, etc? Maybe not. Is it skilless? No.

[Tigersmith]

It was a joke but it's kind of true.

Its totally true, dont get me wrong some people are extremely good at the game. but thats only like 5% of the player base. I played it for years too.

Im not saying I was the best at it. But it seemed extremely easy to me. Atleast now. Back in the day when the game first came out it was a little different

[Whoknowswhat1]

You just keep thinking that. Does high level arena play take as much skill as high level SC2, shooter play, etc? Maybe not. Is it skilless? No.

1-- Check my post again i edited it

2-- you are talking about 6% (probably less) of the wow population that are really competitive in the arena system, and even then its just hiding behind stuff while your big moves are done with their cooldown

[Bags]

Its totally true, dont get me wrong some people are extremely good at the game. but thats only like 5% of the player base. I played it for years too.

Im not saying I was the best at it. But it seemed extremely easy to me. Atleast now. Back in the day when the game first came out it was a little different

Oh, okay. Your first line made me think you were being sarcastic.

The majority of people who play WoW appear to pay money to die, this is true. But it's stupid to say the game takes no skill at any level, or that anyone who plays it sucks at other games (this is more so directed @ the other guy).

I do however agree that people are more likely to leave a shooter they completely suck at than an mmo they completely suck at.

1-- Check my post again i edited it

2-- you are talking about 6% (probably less) of the wow population that are really competitive in the arena system, and even then its just hiding behind stuff while your big moves are done with their cooldown

And shooters are just pointing your mouse at the enemy and clicking. :p I used to think the same about WoW arena, until I could barely break 2k back in the day. Shit's hard.

I'm going to stop arguing now, so we don't go off topic. Even though the topic at hand is pretty much dead.

[Whoknowswhat1]

I do however agree that people are more likely to leave a shooter they completely suck at than an mmo they completely suck at.

so if there was an shooter that was also an MMO, what would they do?

I'm going to stop arguing now, so we don't go off topic. Even though the topic at hand is pretty much dead.

please dont i need these posts to get promoted form private forum rank :D

[Tigersmith]

Anyways WoW is different. I really think anyone if they tried could be good at that game.

Practice using your GCDs in the most efficient manner, and learn to beat the same comps over and over in arena. maybe some Line of sight..gg.

Im not a high level arena player by any means. I used to like WoWs PVP but over the years it really has turned me off.

[Tigersmith]

yea this is kinda way off topic. lol

fun tho

[Bags]

so if there was an shooter that was also an MMO, what would they do?

Well, even if you completely suck at PVE or PVP in WoW there's still lots of stuff you could do (achievements, playing the auction house, farming professions, etc) if you really wanted to play with your friends. If you suck at combat in an MMOFPS there's really not that much to do.

[Aractain]

I really hate PVP in wow its just so... preplaned. They do this, I do this. Its like a state machine of thouands of counters and CCs and stuff. I prefer wild unexpected crap like shooters.

WoW is totally skilled for those who can play though, love watching some Rated BGs.

[Bags]

I like playing arena, but I can't stand to watch it.
I like watching Starcraft, but I can't stand to play it.

Magnets, how do they work?

[2coolforu]

Magnets, how do they work?

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