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nomotog

2011-09-21, 08:56 AM

I'm new here and kind of new to planetside. I followed the first game and really wanted to play it, but a mixture of internet quality and not being able to subscribe left me unable to play PS1. Now that PS2 is free to play, I'm going to try and get into play it this time.

So why the story? Well this is just my story, but there are a lot of people like me. People who like the idea of planetside, but never got to play the first one.

The question is. Are you ready for the new people? Are you ready for them to have different ideas of game-play? Are you ready for the developers to listen to them and treat there request with the same attention they give to your request.

Logit

2011-09-21, 09:39 AM

I guess we're gonna have to be, or the game will get pretty boring pretty fast.

PS2 will need a shit ton more people to be successful this time around, and that's going to include people with different ideas than our own.

However, even the PS1 vets don't agree on too much, so it's just same story different day really.

Bags

2011-09-21, 09:41 AM

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE NEW PEOPLE.

Hamma

2011-09-21, 09:42 AM

Jokes aside..

I find this community has always been pretty accepting to new people.

Welcome to PSU! :)

TheGoatFather

2011-09-21, 10:12 AM

Obvious troll aside, I think everyone in the community is open to new players. I always found the Pside players very tolerant of my mistakes as a newbie, as well as taking the time to listen to my thoughts on the game. :)

FastAndFree

2011-09-21, 10:14 AM

Crator

2011-09-21, 10:21 AM

As long as the new players are open to learning from the existing community and providing knowledgeable ideas I think it will be great! It's always good to have new folks join something that you love.

Sirisian

2011-09-21, 10:31 AM

This one looks crafty like one of them COD players. Hamma can you remove the registration for this site so we can keep it pure?
http://sirisian.com/pictures/ban.png

Lonehunter

2011-09-21, 11:22 AM

I have a lot of hope for a supportive PS2 community.
When I started playing League of Legends it was the exact opposite of what I'd want to see in a new game. I saw they even have a "Code of the Summoner" which is a huge list of social rules. Lol "Be nice and helpful" shouldn't have to be a rule.

Tigersmith

2011-09-21, 11:25 AM

Welcome to PSU! This new generation of kids will deff be different I think. But thats ok. More players the better. Planetside is a MMO! :)

FIREk

2011-09-21, 11:28 AM

This little community is quite open to new people. New ideas - not so much, but not to an extreme. ;)

You've got people who want the game to adapt to the new FPS market with new ideas. You've got devout fanboys that will like everything the PS2 devs give them. Then there are the conservatives who want PS2 to just be a visual+netcode revamp of PS1. Finally, there are those who like being good at PS1 and fear even the slightest changes like the plague. :P Oh yeah, and I'm sure there are some that fit somewhere between these pretty narrow brackets, too. :)

So, yeah, new points of view may not always get accepted, but new people? No problem!

nomotog

2011-09-21, 11:38 AM

TheGoatFather

2011-09-21, 11:43 AM

That's true - I think because PS1 was such a community led experience for so long, the input and transition of ideas is part of the lifeblood of the series. When people didn't like something in the oriBFRsginal, the dev's sure as heck heard about it.

Just, never underestimate how loud we can shout if we don't agree :P.

Wahooo

2011-09-21, 11:45 AM

So, yeah, new points of view may not always get accepted, but new people? No problem!

Everyone was new at some point, and some of the best memories of PS came from when we were new players. I wasn't around Pre-CoreCombat but i've shared vent and played with enough people who were here from Beta that I know what the game was and how it has evolved/changed.
So yeah new players are generally accepted, and everyone loves to see someone running around in standard PJ's with a pwnisher and all gold ammo no medpacks and a ES pistol. Helping them can be a pretty good feeling you just can't get in many shooters where there really isn't any advice to give.

New ideas? Can be a bit of a different story. Without knowing the history of what the long time vets went through wiith the "development" and "re-balancing" of this game some ideas from newer player is salt in an old wound. Other ideas simply don't fit the established playground that is Planetside.

Either way welcome.

Trolltaxi

2011-09-21, 11:57 AM

The community has been really accepting and welcoming (when we were the majority and newbies were scarce), but my hope is that we (the veterans) will be a minority at launch. That would mean shiteloads of players! And I hope they will understand us... :)

Graywolves

2011-09-21, 12:05 PM

http://sirisian.com/pictures/ban.png

I don't care about new people as long as they aren't close minded.

Crator

2011-09-21, 12:06 PM

There's plenty of info on these forums to understand current PSU community members. Just have to refrain from posting until you get a better understanding of the mindset of the community and understand a wide variety of concepts. Let's make a PS "University" :P

NapalmEnima

2011-09-21, 12:43 PM

At the end of the day, I think SOE will give a little more weight to the opinions of tried and true PS1 players because they have a much better chance of being long term players in PS2, and want to keep them around.

But they also want to attract lots of new people and keep them around too.

And given the... diverse... opinions of the player base, I don't see new folks bringing much more to the table in terms of "average opinion".

OTOH, with a larger community you're "ends of the bell curve" folks start showing up more often. You'll see more brilliance, and more DERP. In game, in the forums, and so forth.

Papscal

2011-09-21, 12:48 PM

I think PS players have always been welcoming and helpfull to noobs. The real yquestion is are players new to PS ready for PS. The battles are massive and the most important thing to know will be what your part is within your Outfit/Squad. You will be able to accomplish very little with out being organized. Now that does not mean you cant have a bunch of fun solo, but if you want to be a part of influencing territory control, good leadership and organized tactics are key.

What ever your play style your in for a great game that should keep ya going for ears. Welcome in and pray with me for BETA. Can i get a AMEN?

Malorn

2011-09-21, 12:56 PM

zomg, new people! They might ruin ourz communities! halp!

TacosWLove

2011-09-21, 01:02 PM

Of course we want new people! How else are we going to kill spam noobs? Hehe, j/k glad your interested, the more the merrier imho...

Senyu

2011-09-21, 01:14 PM

I'm worried of the new direction new people might make PS2 go. Sure there is alot of good possiblities PS2 might go with fresh minds. But those pushing it into a direction like other games simply because they are crazy over it *COUGH CoD* ya.........stay out

Malorn

2011-09-21, 01:19 PM

Can't be any worse than the direction some old people want PS2 to go, hah.

If anything new people give us a perspective beyond our little box of PS fanbois and how things might be received by the normal gaming community.

This may be a shock, but we aren't the normal gaming community; we're PS enthusiasts. We are not the typical PS2 player.

Sirisian

2011-09-21, 01:30 PM

This may be a shock, but we aren't the normal gaming community; we're PS enthusiasts. We are not the typical PS2 player.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Also for the new people I direct you to my signature. :)

Raymac

2011-09-21, 01:55 PM

^ Except for fearing the F2P part. (that's right I said it) ;)

To the OP, Planetside is an 8 year old game, which means alot of the veterans are older and more mature. So you don't get alot of 12 year olds screaming offensive comments just because of the anonymity of the internet. Plus, since teamwork is a big part of the game, the players do a great job of helping out new players.

Having said that, PS2 will be an entirely new game, so who knows what the community will be like after release, but if PS1 is any indication, you'll be welcomed with open arms.

Atuday

2011-09-21, 02:01 PM

If you are a new person and you are reading this I have 2 small bits of advice. 1: I take point, always, so if you are shooting remember to shoot over or around me. 2: When I say push you will either push in or be shot for treason. I will not be the only person shooting you for not pushing or not pushing fast enough.

Wahooo

2011-09-21, 03:00 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself. Also for the new people I direct you to my signature. :)

Yeah, as an idea on what the community thinks of really bad ideas that a few poeple think are super cool. :rolleyes:

Those polls/threads should be required reading actually so new players can learn the reasons why the current PS1 players are against a lot of things, and in a new thread simply respond with "ugh, NO!" because they don't want to explain again and again.

Sirisian

2011-09-21, 03:52 PM

^ Except for fearing the F2P part. (that's right I said it) ;)
Oh whoops yeah, changed that so it's less troll worthy. Was talking about the ideas. I can probably cross off rethinking vehicles. The devs basically agreed with that one. Also :eek: I stopped reading that Fantasy Implants thread since I thought people stopped posting or something. That went off-topic quickly from my original discussion. :lol:

Hamma

2011-09-21, 04:46 PM

So this place is ready for new people and ideas. That's always good. You get some games with fans that will not accept any thing new or any kinds of changes at all. (Gamers as a group seem to like things static.)

I've seen that before ruin games - the PlanetSide community as a whole has been pretty receptive to new ideas. I know I am bias, but this is my favorite gaming community I've ever been a part of. Wouldn't trade it in for anything ;)

Edit: But the community IS passionate about the game and it results in some pretty exciting threads.

Zulthus

2011-09-21, 04:49 PM

New people are always good!

But the first guy who asks for killstreaks gets the hammer.

Crator

2011-09-21, 04:59 PM

LOL, why, what's wrong with killstreaks?

basti

2011-09-21, 05:04 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself. Also for the new people I direct you to my signature. :)

So the new guys can see right away what are good examples of Bad ideas? :p:D

Death2All

2011-09-21, 05:11 PM

Zulthus

2011-09-21, 05:14 PM

Hamma

2011-09-21, 05:22 PM

Subscriptions bring in just as many bad seeds as any other payment model imo.

Talek Krell

2011-09-21, 05:39 PM

LOL, why, what's wrong with killstreaks?I think he's referring to the CoD variant, in which you shoot a couple of guys and then get to call down a nuke, or something. Not really big on the idea either, personally. ;)

Crator

2011-09-21, 06:07 PM

Oh, I was thinking killstreaks were just a visual indicator (as well as a scoreboard stat). I also do not agree with giving someone an extra utility if they get a killstreak. It would be nice to have a visual indicator though.

Talek Krell

2011-09-21, 06:27 PM

Yeah. Personally I dislike them period (I think they encourage selfishness) but I'm not gonna get all up in arms about some killboard graphic.

Zulthus

2011-09-21, 06:29 PM

Oh yeah, I thought it was a given reference to CoD when I said killstreaks. :p On-screen rewards like pins and ribbons are great though.

basti

2011-09-21, 06:41 PM

I cringe at the thought of CoD kiddies playing PS running around on PS2 with snipers trying quick scope everything or sitting far back from the battle noob tubing.

Free to play makes it even worse. Someone said on the official PS forums that "F2P games bring the lowest common denominator of player to games" and I couldn't agree more.

I've said it time and time again that F2P is a horrible way to go and depending on a cash shop for your main source of revenue for a game is terrible.

I'd much rather have my grandfather pay a monthly subscription for me and not have to deal with bumbling idiots than have it be F2P.

Sorry to tell you, but you talk BS.

What kind of players are attracted to a game has nothing to do with the payment model. The game itselfs attracts a certain kind of players, and nothing else.

The only difference F2P does is that it allows those guys who dont want to spend money every month, or simply cant afford that for whatever reason, to play the game as well. And thats a good thing.

Quite funny that you bring up "cod kiddys" as an argument. The payment model has nothing to do with that, its just broken mechanics that get exploited for personal gain, and heck, even we did that in planetside for ages. As example: Early gen killing, Spawn camping, Suiciding to avoid being killed by someone, Third person corner camping, etc. Just list whatever tactic you consider being lame, and there you go.

Also funny that you consider F2P terrible based on no actual argument at all, just your personal opinion.

But good to see you wont even pay yourself...

atone

2011-09-21, 07:17 PM

See? Even the german guy is saying be more inclusive.

joking

I say over all the community here seems pretty open or rather patient, to a point, just don't mention dual wielding, cause then the canes come out;)

Zulthus

2011-09-21, 07:21 PM

I say over all the community here seems pretty open or rather patient, to a point

:rofl:

Graywolves

2011-09-21, 07:22 PM

Raymac

2011-09-21, 07:24 PM

See? Even the german guy is saying be more inclusive.

joking

Dude. Yes. 10/10 on the funny scale. Thank you, needed that. :rofl:

Hamma

2011-09-21, 07:29 PM

Stay on topic... stay on topic...

sylphaen

2011-09-21, 07:36 PM

Planetside is all about the true battlefield: Forum-side !
:lol:

Other: dual-wield ideas might get you some heat but mention mechs and your hide will definitely be skinned out alive !
:D

Raymac

2011-09-21, 07:39 PM

Stay on topic... stay on topic...

Sorry, just giving a pat on the back to somebody that doesn't even have 10 posts on PSU yet. You know, demonstating our encouragement of new people, which in a way is on topic. ;)

Too much of a stretch?

Anyways, to bring it back around, I think we all want to see new blood in this game, because we all want it to be a huge success. It's not the same as a cult, but I'd definitely say that Planetside was a cult hit. Time for PS2 to be a mainstream hit.

Death2All

2011-09-21, 07:53 PM

Sorry to tell you, but you talk BS.

What kind of players are attracted to a game has nothing to do with the payment model. The game itselfs attracts a certain kind of players, and nothing else.

Sure it does. There's plenty of people who won't play a game simply because it's subscription based. Plenty of people buy PS3s over 360's because the online is free. If you're going to honestly tell me that certain people don't play certain games because there's a certain subscription based fee then that's outrageous.

Payment model has a lot to do with whether people do or do not play a game. I vividly recall there being much controversy and scrutiny over the original PS because it was a subscription based shooter and most at the time were free. The question arose is it worth playing a shooter that you have to pay a monthly subscription for.

The only difference F2P does is that it allows those guys who dont want to spend money every month, or simply cant afford that for whatever reason, to play the game as well. And thats a good thing.

I'm pulling this out of my ass...But in my experience the general majority of players that play subscription based games are more mature per capita. Of course there are exceptions, but MOST of the time these people have a decent maturity about them and don't run around like jackasses.

Paying a subscription for a game causes you to step back and evaluate that you're actually paying for this service and you best not dick around. Again, there are always exceptions but you're less likely to do so in something that you're giving your money.

Where as in a F2P you don't give a fuck. So what if they ban you? Yeah, you'll lose your account, but so what, you can just make a new one and continue right on hacking and pillaging the game with no remorse.

A lot of people have forgotten about the hacking escapades that plagued this game for YEARS when free trials were still active, essentially making the game a free to play. Remember logging on everyday to hackers instagibbing you at every fight and ruining the experience? Remember filing an appeal to a GM and having them ban the trial account only to have them come right back in a matter of minutes? Remember how fun that was?

I don't give a shit that SOE says that they are making great attempts to limit or stop hacking PS. That's bullshit. Hacking is inevitable and it will occur in any game no matter what. Besides, didn't their entire infrastructure get hacked a few months ago? Sure that probably sparked some motivation to be more adamant on stopping hacking but I doubt it really got anywhere since people still continue to hack PS1 to this day.

I've played quite a few F2P's in my day and they've made a permanent effect on me and how I view F2P games. They're broken, mangled, hack filled disasters. Combat Arms comes to mind. Play that game for a week and tell me that you would want PS to fall down a similar path. People relentlessly hack that game and act like complete douchebags. Why? Because they can. Because it's a free to play and they can make a new account in a second and go right on ahead ruining the game for everyone else.

Again, I'll emphasize this point again in case you miss it, there are always exceptions. PS has had it's share of douchebags who pay money for a monthly subscription. GeneralVega for example, he purposely screws over the VS, helps gives mod to enemy empires etc etc. Plenty of egotistical douchebags like ANTDX316 who thought he was the greatest Reaver pilot in existence and globaled people to tell him where AA maxes where so he could kill them.

The point is, douchebaginess will prevail no matter what, but there is a whole lot less per capita in a sub based game than a F2P.

Quite funny that you bring up "cod kiddys" as an argument. The payment model has nothing to do with that, its just broken mechanics that get exploited for personal gain, and heck, even we did that in planetside for ages. As example: Early gen killing, Spawn camping, Suiciding to avoid being killed by someone, Third person corner camping, etc. Just list whatever tactic you consider being lame, and there you go.

I use CoD kiddies as an argument because CoD is a game that has had a huge impact on the gaming industry and the way that people play games. CoD drastically sped up gameplay of an FPS and gave people the impression you can run around like a moron with a sniper rifle, get 5 kills and then win an entire game and if another game isn't like that then it's trash. Yes I will use CoD kiddies as an example because they make up a huge majority of the gaming populace and they will be playing PS2.

Also funny that you consider F2P terrible based on no actual argument at all, just your personal opinion.

But good to see you wont even pay yourself...

Oh, and if you must know. I do pay for my own subscription. The grandfather line was merely a jest to insight humor and/or rage which it clearly did. Try not to take everything so literally and dismiss every idea so fast.

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BUGGER

2011-09-21, 08:14 PM

New people give old people perspective, and vise versa.

A newb is always welcomed with opened arms....or at the barrel end of a Jackhammer.

Crator

2011-09-21, 08:31 PM

<STUFF>

A lot of people have forgotten about the hacking escapades that plagued this game for YEARS when free trials were still active, essentially making the game a free to play. Remember logging on everyday to hackers instagibbing you at every fight and ruining the experience? Remember filing an appeal to a GM and having them ban the trial account only to have them come right back in a matter of minutes? Remember how fun that was?
This all depends on how they implement account creation. Hooking it to a credit card will slow them way down.

I don't give a shit that SOE says that they are making great attempts to limit or stop hacking PS. That's bullshit. Hacking is inevitable and it will occur in any game no matter what. Besides, didn't their entire infrastructure get hacked a few months ago? Sure that probably sparked some motivation to be more adamant on stopping hacking but I doubt it really got anywhere since people still continue to hack PS1 to this day.

Interesting, I’ve played some of the Battlefield games and it seems to do a good job of keep the game killing hackers out. It’s F2P, no sub.

<STUFF>

Anyways, all of this is a moot point if they put some safeguards in, like making it so you must provide a credit card to open an account, even a F2P one. It would make sense that they do this too because they want the F2P player to have easy access to buy in-game items.

SgtMAD

2011-09-21, 08:35 PM

I think D2a is right about the F2P crowd and the free trials hackathon we went through

I would gladly pay a sub for a game that I like playing

Crator

2011-09-21, 08:37 PM

I would also gladly pay a sub, and will if they offer one in the payment methods. I also think F2P is a valid option.

Death2All

2011-09-21, 08:43 PM

Interesting, I’ve played some of the Battlefield games and it seems to do a good job of keep the game killing hackers out. It’s F2P, no sub.

I recently purchased BF:BC2 on PC (WITH MY OWN DEBIT CARD) and I've ran into quite a few hackers actually.

Most of the servers I play on have active admins on them so hackers are usually dealt with swiftly, although I've had a few experiences where they've ran rampant for far too long and ruined a good game.

Talek Krell

2011-09-21, 09:22 PM

I think it's possible that the issue with free to play games is less with the demographics that it attracts and more with the ease with which people can create new accounts to avoid consequences. Obviously we need some preventive measures to punish people for being assholes, but that doesn't mean it has to be a paywall.

Malorn

2011-09-21, 10:00 PM

The issue is accountability. Certs that train in real-time is a form of collateral which partially exists in BF (unlock rank), though I would expect it to take a lot longer to max out. But people pay money for BFBC2 also for the box, and that doesnt' stop the hacking all that much, but EA accounts are also free, so they don't really lose that investment. The only investment lost is the unlocks and ranks associated with the class. Also being a Douchebag and getting banned only gets you banned from one server, while on an MMO it would get you banned from them all, unless punkbuster actually caught something.

Dov

2011-09-21, 10:10 PM

nope. not ready.

Talek Krell

2011-09-22, 02:25 AM

I need at least a few more days to finish baiting all the traps. :evil:

DOUBLEXBAUGH

2011-09-22, 04:44 AM

LostSoul

2011-09-22, 06:46 AM

Am I ready for new people? Absolutely!

Too many of the people left in the game now are hiding behind corners throwing plasma waiting on their MAX timers, or blowing gens. I look forward to new people so hopefully we can get some real fights again ;)

This, and red text on grey makes my eyes bleed.

Having new people joining a community of a game I have loved for so long (and still do) is always good, we need some fresh fish in here to spice it up :)

Newer players we're always fun to watch/have in your squad in PS1, hope it'll be the same in the next go round.

PrISM

2011-09-25, 09:38 AM

I like new players. They have no clue what's going on and run around in PJs and a suppressor. Easy kills.

GTGD

2011-09-25, 01:58 PM

New players are great for everyone. They make good cannon fodder for the pros, and they give a chance for other new players to have fun without being overwhelmed. Most of all, they are the lifeblood of this game. As more newbies start playing, they bring friends and in turn it populates the game.

SuperMorto

2011-09-25, 05:36 PM

Its not the newbies you want to watch out for, its the old guys coming back to PS you need to keep a keen eye on! ;)

Mirror

2011-09-25, 05:45 PM

I remember some of the new players in PS1, so fun to knife while they fire at walls :lol:

Crator

2011-09-25, 08:00 PM

Its not the newbies you want to watch out for, its the old guys coming back to PS you need to keep a keen eye on! ;)

QFT :father:

Mastachief

2011-09-25, 08:36 PM

It'll be up to Vet outfits to shape and welcome new players to the planetside world.

When they first launched the reserves we launched a separate outfit to recruit and shape reservists, a large amount then subbed and joined the main outfit and are mostly still here.

ikon

2011-09-25, 08:52 PM

new players just = more places to put my bullets.

ill take as many as you got

Mastachief

2011-09-25, 09:42 PM

ill take as many as you got

Bullets or new people? :)