Gamespot Interview with John Smedley says "Stay Tuned" on Consoles

[Hamma]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/news-gamespot-interview-with-john-smedley-2577.htm

[Vash02]

I think we've known since they dumped inventories that Planetside had at least plans for PS3.

edit: and "stay tuned" may as well be a YES in big flashing neon signs. Unless Smedley has gone insane and thinks that people would be cool with being strung along with maybes to a dissapointment.

[Xyntech]

Bugger. Well, CS:GO is going to be doing PC + PS3 multiplayer servers, so if valve thinks they can pull it off, I'm willing to consider giving it a shot.

I trust valve to not fuck it up a lot more than I trust the suits at sony though.

I guess I'd be fine with it as long as there was no aim assist on head shots, hopefully no aim assist of any kind. Consoles shouldn't get an artificial handicap to compensate for superior mouse controls.

I have a bad feeling about this, but it's a business decision. Not much we can do about it except hope it turns out for the best.

On the bright side, it would open up Planetside 2 to even more players, which would be awesome. That is, unless the PC and PS3 player bases are separated from each other. In that case it wouldn't affect PC populations much, but at least all the balance concerns would be gone. A small amount of win win.

Then again, it sticks us with console shit like the absence of inventories, so there's that...

[NlightN]

The PS3 is just too limited hardware wise too handle a game as massive as what PS2 will be, which has been mentioned plenty of times, I think most recently by Higs actually.

If you go back and watch the Fan Faire Q&A vid-or maybe the one after that, its pretty evident to what Smed is hinting at. Him saying, 'unquoted', "Planetside 2 will not be on the PS.......3."

[Graywolves]

I don't think Planetside would be very successfull on the console.

[Firefly]

I'm going back and looking at all the people who swore they said they would not do this, so I can lol. Don't worry. I won't thread-necro.

I am wholly against the idea unless they are on two separate platforms. IE, PS2 for the PC and PS2 for the PS3, different networks and servers and all that jazz.

Now, it must be said, though, that we'll finally put to rest the notion that console shooter gamers can hold a candle to a novice PC shooter gamer.

[MgFalcon]

I might as well just start wiping the floor with PS3 players already!

[Peacemaker]

Perhaps Sony is going to release a next gen console soon? Maybe one with the Horsepower of a gaming rig computer with mouse and keyboard controls too? That's about the only way this would work.

[Vash02]

Perhaps Sony is going to release a next gen console soon? Maybe one with the Horsepower of a gaming rig computer with mouse and keyboard controls too? That's about the only way this would work. PS4 is rumoured to be out late 2012 early 2013. They could be planning PS2 to be one of the on release titles for it. Seeing as we are likely to have a free to play model it could even be pre-loaded on the PS4.

[SKYeXile]

Free to play is a big part of the future, but on December 20, we're about to see a huge juggernaut launched at retail [with Star Wars: The Old Republic]. It's going to be a great game and BioWare knows how to make awesome games. And I think the retail model is still there. We're evolving our company into something different. We're in a unique position because we're inside the Sony family and have a lot of good insight into things. We're in a great place for bringing new business models to the console, so we think that's a really strong part of our future. PC is going to be right there neck and neck with it, though.

Thank god somebody still has faith in the PC, and not developing for console and porting it to PC.

[CGar]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Everything gets console'fied, not planetside too!

[BorisBlade]

Memory
256MB XDR Main RAM
256MB GDDR3 VRAM


Thats a huge problem with consoles, aside from the very very very old 7800gt based ps3 graphics. Thats very little memory to do things with.

Yes you could prob get a stripped down version on ps3 but man you are gonna have to cut out alot. And not just graphics. First off you couldnt let em play with pc players as the parts cut out would most likely not let it be compatible with pc.

Even PS1 really needed more memory than PS3's have to get it to run smoothly, even if you exclude the obvious OS memory req on PC's.

Yes they have got the graphically and scale wise gimped versions of BF3 to run on consoles amazingly enough. However they have to gimp them accordingly with 24 instead of 64 players and ps needs 1500+ people, and maps were shrunk from the pc versions which even those fullsize maps the consoles cant handle are tiny specs compared to PS maps. You can shrink stuff up on deathmatch maps but you are talkin redoing/shrinking the world and player counts to fit it on a console which is like making a game all about racing then takin out the corvettes and ferarris and puttin in ford tauruses and dropping all the racetracks and puttin in parking lots and neighborhood streets. Yeah you can race em but its no where near the same.

Plus the work needed would mean an almost entirely different world with a game with vastly different flow, they would almost need to be balanced (gear/vehicle/stat wise) completely separate of each other. ( a game with a few hundred players doesnt flow at all like one with 1500. So somethin like powerful infantry AV may work great at lower scale but be bad at high scale, and so forth.)

Dont get me wrong, they could do some version, but consoles are sooooooooo amazingly outdated, its gonna be very tough and not sure the game will still be the same. Its too bad they are stretchin out this console cycle so much, the hardware really needs an upgrade. They could then run this on PS4 no problem. Plus we would have all our other games held back by console graphics anymore. =D

[Hamma]

This is pretty much the worst news story about PlanetSide 2 I have ever read, Console gaming does not mix with PC gaming. It means we on PC get to suffer with inferior features because console's can't compete.

A sad day for PlanetSide 2, let's hope this does not have any priority in early development.

[Zulthus]

Consoles are such a plague on gaming.

[Hamma]

Consoles are such a plague on gaming.

+1MILLION

So true.

The only way I support this is if they are doing something like EVE is with Dust 514.

[duomaxwl]

Buzzkill.

[Bags]

There goes my optimism of Sony not fucking this game up.

Explains the lack of a proper inventory though.

[Goku]

I love how everyone can stop killing each other for one second to say consoles suck :).

[Sirisian]

Pretty sure he means PS4 which is a 2012/2013 console as previously stated by Sony. I think most of us saw that coming during the Q&A video when smed hinted at it.

// edit also it's obviously going to have a Vita launch in the future. I think that's obvious though.

[Pillow]

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

[sylphaen]

At least, it will be F2P.

And Blizzard is working on a MMOFPS so hopefully, they'll make something nice !

[Marth Koopa]

You guys are too hard on consoles.

One thing that consoles do better is couch multiplayer. Take Super Smash Bros as an example. Not a very fun game to play solo or online, because part of the the enjoyment is having fun with friends in real life: sharing the laughter, the competition, and the tears.

Even a small LAN party can't compare to this, because everyone would be isolated to their own screens instead of sharing the experience on the same screen, and it's more of a hassle to get going because everyone would have to bring over all their gear, while a console is always ready for action.

Consoles are great for party games and I don't see that changing soon.

[Zulthus]

You guys are too hard on consoles.

One thing that consoles do better is couch multiplayer. Take Super Smash Bros as an example. Not a very fun game to play solo or online, because part of the the enjoyment is having fun with friends in real life: sharing the laughter, the competition, and the tears.

Even a small LAN party can't compare to this, because everyone would be isolated to their own screens instead of sharing the experience on the same screen, and it's more of a hassle to get going because everyone would have to bring over all their gear, while a console is always ready for action.

Consoles are great for party games and I don't see that changing soon.

"You guys are too hard on consoles."

WRONG

Fine, let them keep the family and party games, but keep any and all PC MMOs OFF THEM FOREVER.

[KernolKlusterFk]

I believe he is considering adding it to consoles based on its success on the PC. I doubt they will make it console only. Its nothing to be too worried about.

[Timealude]

I think if Planetside 2 came to the consoles, it would ruin this games community in game. On the forums we would be ok, but when i first think of console gamers, I think of younger kids. In fact for me its one of the main reasons I enjoy PC games over console games, You don't have a large amount of younger people ruining the game with immature attitudes. It would be impossible at times to set up a full scale attack with some immature people at time because lets face it...at that large of a scale battle you need everyone focus and it would be hard to if we had someone distracting us from the matter at hand.

[Captain1nsaneo]

Everything I've read/heard from the team is that they honestly don't know if it's going on be on PS3 yet. They don't know what the recommended specs are yet either. They are probably designing the game to allow a later port to consoles without having to make it a totally different experience.

[Bags]

You guys are too hard on consoles.

One thing that consoles do better is couch multiplayer. Take Super Smash Bros as an example. Not a very fun game to play solo or online, because part of the the enjoyment is having fun with friends in real life: sharing the laughter, the competition, and the tears.

Even a small LAN party can't compare to this, because everyone would be isolated to their own screens instead of sharing the experience on the same screen, and it's more of a hassle to get going because everyone would have to bring over all their gear, while a console is always ready for action.

Consoles are great for party games and I don't see that changing soon.

PS2 is not a couch multiplayer game.

[basti]

SHUT UP! ALL OF YOU!


My god, you guys are nuts. ALL he said was "Stay tuned", and that means NOTHING!

We already know it wont be on the PS3. It cant be, thats a fact. And Matt already told us it wont be on the PS3. Heck, EVERYONE told us it wont be on the PS3, its just smed thats talking crap again. The same crap as the "March launch" crap.


So just, please, SHUT UP!

[Xyntech]

But... but... I want to panic some more... :(

[Tigersmith]

Figured it would make a attempt .

[Zulthus]

SHUT UP! ALL OF YOU!


My god, you guys are nuts. ALL he said was "Stay tuned", and that means NOTHING!

We already know it wont be on the PS3. It cant be, thats a fact. And Matt already told us it wont be on the PS3. Heck, EVERYONE told us it wont be on the PS3, its just smed thats talking crap again. The same crap as the "March launch" crap.


So just, please, SHUT UP!

NO, U!!!!!!!!!!

STAY TUNED, DON'T LISTEN TO BASTI!

That's how annoying you are.

[Bags]

SHUT UP! ALL OF YOU!


My god, you guys are nuts. ALL he said was "Stay tuned", and that means NOTHING!

We already know it wont be on the PS3. It cant be, thats a fact. And Matt already told us it wont be on the PS3. Heck, EVERYONE told us it wont be on the PS3, its just smed thats talking crap again. The same crap as the "March launch" crap.


So just, please, SHUT UP!

Basti, you don't understand. (http://tinyurl.com/3dxfzzc)

[Sirisian]

Basti, Panic! Now!
http://sirisian.com/pictures/live.png

[basti]

Basti, you don't understand. (http://tinyurl.com/3dxfzzc)

Thing is, bags, nothing happend at all yet. But damn, we need to let smed know to shut up already on that console topic. Annoying as fuck every damn time.

Cant wait to see the PS2 Facebook page "SO ITS ON COLZOLETS ITZNT IT? DERP"

[Zulthus]

The irony is that you spend more time complaining about us complaining than we do complaining about the things that most don't think sound that great. It's discussion. Why do you care anyway?

[Bags]

I just like being overly dramatic.

[Elude]

Remember when they said they were making battlefield 3 side by side with the console versions to avoid calling it a port. That game has all types of console features in the PC version!

Any time a game is made for both consoles and PC regardless if it's a port, the PC is usually crippled. A good PC game is an exclusive PC game.

All we can do now is plan for the worst and hope for the best lol, I find nothing wrong with people complaining about how horrible this would be if it were done on the console, after all if it's a decision that hasn't even been made yet our best chance is to complain before it is made.

[CrystalViolet]

Really couldn't care less if they port it to the PS4. I don't understand why everyone here thinks the console and PC player bases would be integrated onto the same servers. This almost never happens for obvious reasons, I highly doubt SOE would do this for a game like Planetside. We already know that the game and engine are being developed for the PC first. If PS2 goes to consoles, it will be a version for consoles that is independent from the PC version and you'll all be able to ignore it to your hearts content.

[CuddlyChud]

Anyone remember this article? http://www.planetside-universe.com/news-new-screenshots-and-console-news-2529.htm

Anyway, I think a lot of people equate consolization with casualization, but they're often two very different things, despite the similarity of neither being a real word. I mean if you think about it, really the PC market is the epitome of casual games. Zynga? Popcap? Can you believe that a publisher like Zynga is valued at as similar level as EA?

[CrystalViolet]

Remember when they said they were making battlefield 3 side by side with the console versions to avoid calling it a port. That game has all types of console features in the PC version!


can you please name examples?

[Elude]

can you please name examples?

1. Cant type while dead

2. Cant type at the end of the match

3. Cant view options while dead

4. Kicks you out of options when you die.

These are not bugs, these are lack of features that are overlooked when designing a game for a console system.

[Bags]

And all of those piss me off.

[CrystalViolet]

These are not bugs, these are lack of features that are overlooked when designing a game for a console system.

1 sounds like a way of preventing ghosting. 2, 3, and 4 sound like bad UI programming that will probably be changed eventually. I'm not sure how any of those relate to the capabilities of either platform though. There's a big difference between dumbed down and badly designed.

[Raymac]

Planetside 2 speculation instruction manual

Step 1: Hear something new and PANIC
Step 2: Get clarification from devs
Step 3: Settle down after realization that sky is not falling
Step 4: Rinse & repeat

[Mastachief]

Planetside 2 speculation instruction manual

Step 1: Hear something new and PANIC
Step 2: Get clarification from devs
Step 3: Settle down after realization that sky is not falling
Step 4: Rinse & repeat

This is true but its better this than rolling over and taking it up the ass. If you don't voice your concerns strongly how will they know that you are strongly against something.

PS3 would struggle with the original let alone planetside 2. They would be on the same server. It will most likely be ported to the next gen playstation. In my opinion we only have 1 perhaps 2 generations of power consoles left before they switch to cloud gaming. Then we will have a switch back to pc type extremes of developing.

This that rave about the playstation 3 power are clueless. It crap by todays or even 3 years ago pc specs.

[Graywolves]

The only way it would work on a console is if they took the approach of "It's a PC game on a console, you'll probably have to hook up a keyboard and mouse to your PS3/4."

[cellinaire]

.... I mean, some of ya guys seriously,

since when panicky rumblings and jumping the gun became a definition of the word 'discussion' ? :cool:

and even if SOE enables PS3 to run Planetside2, I guess they will keep PS3-servers isolated.


But anyway, I have a bit of bad feeling about this, too.

[SKYeXile]

and even if SOE enables PS3 to run Planetside2, I guess they will keep PS3-servers isolated.



If not, let the killing begin...more so.

[Trolltaxi]

Stay tuned means "Who the f*ck knows what will come in 2 years?" to me.

I'm all against FPS games on consoles. Consoles are great for some gametypes but FPS is definetly not amongst them. And I'd hate to compete with "aim-aid" - or shall I say "aimbot"?

On the other hand I wouldn't mind if console players could fly airplanes or drive veichles. These have a maximum turning rate after all, so these fit well with gamepad-steering. And if they have some aided aim, that wouldn't be impossible even with todays technology. But in this case keyboard+mouse players should also get the aim bonus.

[cellinaire]

This is true but its better this than rolling over and taking it up the ass. If you don't voice your concerns strongly how will they know that you are strongly against something.


Well I agree with you, and I'll try to be more cautious before making a reply.
:(

but why haven't we voiced our concerns/opinions about the console crowd from the beginning, especially when we already knew it would harm the game and community. I wonder

(maybe it's already too late or they just have this idea and haven't done anything about it yet. Anyway, if SOE start working on this without any announcement or notification to us fanbase, then I'll be very pissed.)

[I SandRock]

20 Movie Characters Screaming NO - Supercut - YouTube


noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[Ant001]

You may or may not believe it.
You may or may not care about it.
But..... If it does happen then kiss a decent game goodbye. Consoles simplify games so much they become boring to a PC gamer. The bring in 10000x more revenue so all future development will be towards consoles.

Im afraid this is the final straw for me. I do believe that he wouldn't have said it had it not been discussed and agreed already.
The cash shop and f2p will pretty much ruin the game and now with it being developed for consoles we will get another port. I can see them sitting down already deciding which bits of the game they can "drop" to make it console friendly.
I would like to be proved wrong but I'm sure I won't be.
I kept up my account in PS so i had a chance of the beta...I'm off to cancel it now.
Cash shop = pay to be good. (yes it does...)
Console = crappy port for the PC.
Total = not a game I want to play.
Cyas.
And I wont slam the door on the way out lmao.

P.S. I just said this on comms and the general opinion is - "dumbed down graphics and 4 button push fps with aim bots." - thats from 25 guys who all had plans to play PS. But not if its a console port.

[RobinHood]

I knew it seemed too good to be true. Of course they have to go do something stupid like add consoles into the mix. Why can't people just make good games?! D:<

[Draep]

This is true but its better this than rolling over and taking it up the ass. If you don't voice your concerns strongly how will they know that you are strongly against something.


You'll take it up the ass whether you're loud about it or not. Try and tell me you won't at least try out the FREE TO PLAY Planetside 2.


You may or may not believe it.
You may or may not care about it.
But..... If it does happen then kiss a decent game goodbye. Consoles simplify games so much they become boring to a PC gamer. The bring in 10000x more revenue so all future development will be towards consoles.

Im afraid this is the final straw for me. I do believe that he wouldn't have said it had it not been discussed and agreed already.
The cash shop and f2p will pretty much ruin the game and now with it being developed for consoles we will get another port. I can see them sitting down already deciding which bits of the game they can "drop" to make it console friendly.
I would like to be proved wrong but I'm sure I won't be.
I kept up my account in PS so i had a chance of the beta...I'm off to cancel it now.
Cash shop = pay to be good. (yes it does...)
Console = crappy port for the PC.
Total = not a game I want to play.
Cyas.
And I wont slam the door on the way out lmao.


And nothing of value was lost.


What a stupid thread, two words makes 4 pages

[FastAndFree]

And I'd hate to compete with "aim-aid" - or shall I say "aimbot"?

On the other hand I wouldn't mind if console players could fly airplanes or drive veichles.
NOT FUNNY :mad:

What a stupid thread, two words makes 4 pages
4 pages? Hahaha, no. Stay tuned.

[Trolltaxi]

NOT FUNNY :mad:


4 pages? Hahaha, no. Stay tuned.

It seems I need to explain why I wouldn't mind it 'cause it seems it may have eluded your attention...

These {aircrafts and veichles} have a maximum turning rate after all, so these fit well with gamepad-steering.

[Zulthus]

What a stupid thread, two words makes 4 pages

Seriously, why do you care at all?

[FastAndFree]

It seems I need to explain why I wouldn't mind it 'cause it seems it may have eluded your attention...

These {aircrafts and veichles} have a maximum turning rate after all, so these fit well with gamepad-steering.

But what makes you think that players who prefer vehicles would be any more thrilled to fight aim-assisted players? :huh:

As far as I'm aware the aim assist is a necessity because of the lack of precision, not turn rate

edit
Okay I see what you mean. And depending on how they make flight work, an analogue stick might even be better than a mouse -kinda like joysticks-. Doesn't work with turrets though
I guess I just reacted badly to the idea that vehicle warfare would become the "console player quarantine zone"

But in any case, if there will be console players they will be able to play as infantry -wouldn't be Planetside if they couldn't-, so that still leaves the question of aim assist open

[Traak]

How about new-generation consoles come with no aim assist *coughaimbot* and you have to upgrade with options like a mouse and keyboard if you really don't want to redefine sucking.

You will be able to play PS2 on a console. Sure. If, however, you actually want to have a chance of advancing past BR1 and the Respawning Auraxium merit, then you will have to have a mouse and keyboard.

Don't turn the game into a retardfest to appeal to the console gamer. Make them spend more money for more stuff so they can bring their level up to meet the game.

[Crator]

Cash shop = pay to be good quicker. (yes it does...)
Console = crappy port for the PC. Hopefully it would be a port from PC to console. So the PC features would be implemented and stay while the console version would have those PC features removed.
Total = not a game I want to play. Don't try to tell me you won't try it if it is F2P

Commented

[2coolforu]

Both consoles struggled to run BF3 on medium/low settings at 20 fps, I don't see how they could handle Planetside 2 which *will* be more demanding. Not only that but it's a truth, keyboard and mouse have a huge advantage over controller, I play xbox sometimes and PC mainly and the difference between a 'pro' and 'average' player on xbox is very small compared to the skill gaps on PC. On consoles there is little difference between the top tier and the average tier compared to PC, unless they separate the servers then PS3 players are just going to get repeatedly served by PC players who can run at higher specs with faster reactions.

CS:GO got around this because they are tiering the game, if you play well you get moved up into the top tiers so it will balance, Planetside does not have this. I don't see how console players would be able to communicate (PS3 online isn't a hive of voice communications) nor be able to play alongside the PC players who would be using features they cannot.

But hell, as long as they don't remove features that were previously planned then I'm all for it, bring on the console massacre.

[SilverLord]

I really hope this is just fluff, say no to consoles friends!

[Firefly]

What if they were saying "Stay Tuned" because they knew this slice of Planetside/Planetside2 fandom would accurately represent a truer slice of player demographics? And their plan is to test the waters by gauging our reaction?

[Xyntech]

What if they were saying "Stay Tuned" because they knew this slice of Planetside/Planetside2 fandom would accurately represent a truer slice of player demographics? And their plan is to test the waters by gauging our reaction?

If that were the case, I'd say they'd probably be very careful on how they implemented it after seeing this abortion of a reaction thread :lol:

[Firefly]

Orrrrr they could just... I dunno... NOT implement it.

[Xyntech]

Orrrrr they could just... I dunno... NOT implement it.

Or that. Ideally.

[basti]

What if they were saying "Stay Tuned" because they knew this slice of Planetside/Planetside2 fandom would accurately represent a truer slice of player demographics? And their plan is to test the waters by gauging our reaction?

Our reaction? Who gives a crap about our reaction? Our reaction was clear from the very start, YEARS ago, when some tart got the idea to post on Forumside how awesome it would be to have Planetside on the Playstation. We BOMBED him back into the hole he came from, right away.
Means, SOE knows pretty well what we think about the idea of delivering a bloddy console port as Planetside 2.

And once and for all: the PS3 is NOT CAPABLE to have Planetside 2. Its impossible, plain and simply. Just take a look at BF3, it got gimped to shreds. How many players support it on the PS3? Clearly not 64. MAG supports 265 players on the PS3, but it breaks fairly quickly in big fights. DCUO has FPS issues in some situations, and that game is far from demanding as much as PS2 will. And now you guys REALLY think that the thousands of players they want to archive with Planetside 2 will work on a PS3?

If rumors are true and a PS4 is in the works, then yes, maybe PS2 will appear on it. But every sane mind will tell you that there is no PS4 for many years to come. The PS3 is still generating good profit for them and is still powerful enough for all those Single Player games. There is no reason for Sony to invest into a PS4 yet.

[Bags]

I give a crap about our reaction!

[TacosWLove]

Please leave the ONE bastion of decent MMO gaming where it belongs. On the PC! Consoles have ruined performance potential and Massively Multiplayer games!

No, No, No!

[Xyntech]

PS2 on the PS4?

But if PS1 wasn't on the PS2, then where will PS3 be? The PS6?

I hope PS3 is a PC exclusive.

[morf]

This is as good as a confirmation. Nobody ever says "STAY TUNED............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .............(press release 6 weeks later) - NOPE!"

We have to wait to see the implementation, but it is about time some genius comes up with a console controller that supports a full-featured FPS. If they come up with some earthshattering innovation then this could be good. Otherwise it's suckfest. My money is on suckfest but all we can do is STAY TUNED.

[Hamma]

Come on guys, all the bitching in threads like this about the communities reaction are tiresom. Welcome to a fansite forum for a pre-release game where every word that comes out could be new information.

It is NOT over reaction, it is discussion about a topic.
My god, you guys are nuts. ALL he said was "Stay tuned", and that means NOTHING!

What means nothing? saying nothing, sayings something like this is in fact saying something even if we don't know what "Something" is and then we begin to speculate about what something is.. that's the nature of these forums.

If that were the case, I'd say they'd probably be very careful on how they implemented it after seeing this abortion of a reaction thread :lol:

Again, the reason this forum exists is to discuss PlanetSide 2, a pre-release game that we are all looking forward to as fans and discuss the implication of whatever SOE happens to announce or interview in on a given day.

Telling someone to stop responding in a given way defeats the purpose of discussion. Unless of course said person is violating the forum rules.

[NapalmEnima]

At least one article I read state that the PS4 is expected to have 2GB of RAM, and an 8-core Cell processor. That plus whatever fancy new graphics & physics hardware they come up with should be sufficient for the client side of things.

Controls? Urgh. Lets hope you're supposed to plug in a mouse and keyboard. ;)

[Bags]

2GB of ram sufficient for a big fps? lol

[Aractain]

2GB isn't sufficent to run two browsers these days. Win7 barely uses any btw.

[basti]

Hamma, there are discussions, and there are shitstorms regarding a potential release of a PC game on a Console. One is constructive, fun for everyone involved and really helpful for everyone who reads it. The other is useless and should be deleted right away.

I blame you actually Hamma ( :P ). I mean, news and all are fine, but news usually come from reliable sources. And John SMedley lost his "reliable source" status many many years ago. Seriously, he is the only person on this planet who hints at some sort of Planetside 2 on the PS3, while the Creative Director of the game, Matt Higbly, denies this. And i trust people based on the amount of Hair they have on there head. Sorry Smed, i still love you, but damn, stop this Console mockery already and just tell us what the plan is.

[Crator]

This is 2GB on the main board + graphics card?

[basti]

Ignore those 2 GB, its just random crap talk anyway. Rumors, nothing more.

[Crator]

Basti is on a speculation squashing rampage ! :P

[basti]

Basti is on a speculation squashing rampage ! :P

I just enjoy crushing rumors, especialy those who are obviously a hoax.

[Hamma]

Hamma, there are discussions, and there are shitstorms regarding a potential release of a PC game on a Console. One is constructive, fun for everyone involved and really helpful for everyone who reads it. The other is useless and should be deleted right away.
In your opinion, if I deleted all posts I didn't agree with this would be a quiet forum. :p

I blame you actually Hamma ( :P ). I mean, news and all are fine, but news usually come from reliable sources. And John SMedley lost his "reliable source" status many many years ago. Seriously, he is the only person on this planet who hints at some sort of Planetside 2 on the PS3, while the Creative Director of the game, Matt Higbly, denies this. And i trust people based on the amount of Hair they have on there head. Sorry Smed, i still love you, but damn, stop this Console mockery already and just tell us what the plan is.

John Smedley is a reliable source and the CEO of Sony Online Entertainment putting him at the head of any decisions ultimately requiring his signoff on PlanetSide 2. He is the one who makes the big decisions, he would know about it before anyone else. It's a reliable source and a valid article to be posted as PlanetSide 2 news and as a result discussed on these fansite forums.

If I was to pick and choose what I posted as news that wouldn't make us a very good source for PlanetSide 2 now would it. ;)


I just enjoy crushing rumors, especialy those who are obviously a hoax.
Also opinion, hoax? really? :lol:

but damn, stop this Console mockery already and just tell us what the plan is.

This point I agree with 110% however.

[Raymac]

I just don't understand why everyone is so suprised when this was brought up during the Q&A at Fan Faire back when the game was announced. Smed hinted pretty damn strongly that they had consoles on their mind back then.

The reason I'm not freaking out about it is because of the reason others have pointed out. Consoles just don't have the power to run PS1, let alone PS2. So, I think it is far more likely that we will see a PS2 Lite version for consoles one day, something akin to Everquest Online Adventures. I think it would be tough to argue that EQ is a crappy console port.

I'd put money down that Planetside 2 will launch on PC only, and then someday down the line, they'll come out with a Diet version for the consoles.

[Xyntech]

I'd put money down that Planetside 2 will launch on PC only, and then someday down the line, they'll come out with a Diet version for the consoles.

Probably this, except that I would expect a PS4 version as opposed to a diet console version.

Either way, I agree that it will certainly launch as a PC exclusive, which should guarantee that it isn't completely bastardized. I can live without things like an inventory if it works within a well constructed game. It sounds like they want to focus depth more on customization than on inventory load outs, which means they will be able to balance a larger number of modifications easier, so it's not like we are losing inventories with no positive trade off.

I wouldn't go so far as Basti and say that these are groundless rumors, but I think we can all agree that it won't launch with console support, barring extreme delays and a post 2012 launch date.

So that means that this can be another in the long line of "let's see how the game works in beta" topics?

[Crator]

I don't think the reason they removed inventories from PS2 (as far as them not being the same as PS1) has anything to do with future plans to port PS2 to a console game. IMO.

[Infektion]

I do not approve of the PS3 port... but anyways, if they did, would the PC and PS3 servers be one in the same? I'd love to get some free kills. Keyboard and mouse! HURRAH! :huh:

[ThGlump]

And once and for all: the PS3 is NOT CAPABLE to have Planetside 2. Its impossible, plain and simply. Just take a look at BF3, it got gimped to shreds. How many players support it on the PS3? Clearly not 64. MAG supports 265 players on the PS3, but it breaks fairly quickly in big fights.

It makes sense now. All that simplifying, faster pace, driver/gunner crap, all to please console gamers.
As for number of players. Planetside2 continents are created from tons of small conquerable areas. Its simple to make those areas instanced with 100 max players. I think they somewhere mentioned that there wont be any instancing, but consoles > promises.

[Baron]

Consoles are such a plague on gaming.

QFT.

Have you ever played a console game that's ported to the PC? *cough* RAGE *cough* It is complete unplayable shit. BF3 on a console is not the same experience as BF3 on a PC, the console experienced is more watered down due to hardware limitations.

Bottom line is, you get what you pay for. Console hardware is decent and plays games well that are designed for it. However you can't compare a $300 Playstation to a top-of-the-line (or even mid-range) gaming PC.

Don't even get me starting on using a thumbstick for FPS games....ugh

[Raymac]

At what page on this thread does common sense kick in and everybody here realizes that since they already know the PS3 doesn't have the hardware to run Planetside 2 that means Planetside 2 will not be on the PS3?

[Marth Koopa]

PS2 is not a couch multiplayer game.

Obviously.

I was merely pointing out that consoles do have their place even if it isn't to hold massive games like PlanetSide 2.

But yeah, consoles and PCs shouldn't mix, it just creates bad things

[basti]

It makes sense now. All that simplifying, faster pace, driver/gunner crap, all to please console gamers.
As for number of players. Planetside2 continents are created from tons of small conquerable areas. Its simple to make those areas instanced with 100 max players. I think they somewhere mentioned that there wont be any instancing, but consoles > promises.

Err, no. The entire point of Planetside is providing the biggest FPS battles out there. If they would screw that plan for PS3 support, they could as well throw it into the bin, as they crushed the sole big selling point of Planetside 2.

Besides that, technology doesnt work like that. You cant just stop people from moving around open terrain. If you did, you would end up having people infront of invisible walls. And just creating a new instance every 100 players would also not work, as it would crush the whole point of being an MMO (persistence).



And once and for all: It wont be on ANY console. Stop reading to much into the two simple words of "Stay Tuned."

[Crator]

It would be awesome if they could make them work together. But as said already, for FPS games, the major differences in the two types of systems, you just can't make it fair and have the same features & quality that the PCs offer.

[TheRagingGerbil]

I suspect Smed didn't want to box SOE into a position were all of the sudden they have to rescind on a promise, again...

Planetside 2 is such a huge IP for them that I bet there is a complete roadmap of products that tie into the game and its universe. Perhaps there is a console game that will some how link to the Online world. Or some sort of PSN app for the offline training of your character. Hell, he might even know the specs for the Playstation 4 and maybe it is a keyboard/mouse super box of PC destroying power.

[Raymac]

OK sincere question...Does anyone know how/when SOE announced that DC Universe Online would be launched on both PS3 and PC? Was it from the start? Or was it well into the process that they said, "oh btw, it's going to be on PS3 as well."?

I think looking at how that was announced would give us a very good clue as to what they have in mind for PS2. I tried to google around, but didn't have any luck, so I figured I'd check the knowledge bank here. Anyone remember?

[L4G]

Naturally I haven't read everyones post but this could be the worst news I heard all day and I sat on my new graphics card earlier...

[Ant001]

OK sincere question...Does anyone know how/when SOE announced that DC Universe Online would be launched on both PS3 and PC? Was it from the start? Or was it well into the process that they said, "oh btw, it's going to be on PS3 as well."?

I think looking at how that was announced would give us a very good clue as to what they have in mind for PS2. I tried to google around, but didn't have any luck, so I figured I'd check the knowledge bank here. Anyone remember?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-14-mmo-in-tights-will-dc-universe-change-console-gaming-interview

The game was pish on the PC btw lol.

[Raymac]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-14-mmo-in-tights-will-dc-universe-change-console-gaming-interview

The game was pish on the PC btw lol.

Close, but that wasn't really what I was asking. Smed says "it was built from the ground up for PC and PS3" but they could probably make that same claim for PS2 at some point. I'm wondering when it was announced that it would be on the PS3. That interview was just done in January.

[I SandRock]

I was merely pointing out that consoles do have their place


I agree! I fully support PS3 cross platform Planetside 2 gameplay as long as Consolers don't get auto-aim. More cannon fodder for me. I might actually get a positive K/D ratio :rofl:

Note how they said "other Sony platforms"

Maybe higsby said PS2 won't be on PS3 but maybe it'll come to... PSP!

ok i'll stop now

[basti]

I agree! I fully support PS3 cross platform Planetside 2 gameplay as long as Consolers don't get auto-aim. More cannon fodder for me. I might actually get a positive K/D ratio :rofl:

Note how they said "other Sony platforms"

Maybe higsby said PS2 won't be on PS3 but maybe it'll come to... PSP!

ok i'll stop now

Even the auto aim wont help them. Microsoft tested that, and even went so far to put common PC gamers against the best Console gamers they could find. The console guys ended up being food every time.

Cross Platform gaming is useless as long as you use a controller on your console. Just wait for the new Counter-Strike, that one will cause quite a shitstorm on that topic.

[ThGlump]

Err, no. The entire point of Planetside is providing the biggest FPS battles out there. If they would screw that plan for PS3 support, they could as well throw it into the bin, as they crushed the sole big selling point of Planetside 2.

Well if they can squeeze 100 players per empire into zone, they can still say its biggest FPS battle (if they kill PS1 first). And SOE usually destroys their IP so i wouldnt be surprised.


Besides that, technology doesnt work like that. You cant just stop people from moving around open terrain. If you did, you would end up having people infront of invisible walls. And just creating a new instance every 100 players would also not work, as it would crush the whole point of being an MMO (persistence).


There would be persistence. You have whole continent you fight for. You pick battle for area which dont have poplock, and go fight there. One instance per area so persistence is kept. You dont travel on the continent, you just pick are on map and are instantly transported there. It all came along with their intention to minimize travel time to battle (no need for traveling on continent), no sanct (when not in battle you are safe on map picking where you fight, and transported there via "HART" - thats why no timer on it). With instanced areas even multiple different climates on one continent wont feel strange as it would be in different area.



I dont say it will be this way (i REALY hope im wrong), but all that changes that they did, now make more sense and fits together, as they maybe preparing for this eventuality if console port come along.

[Lonehunter]

I really think Smed's comment was just part of not wanting to give away too much. Right now there's a lot of stuff they won't comment about, which includes something is in the game or isn't. Purely because he says "Stay tuned" or we can't answer that right now, doesn't translate to "yes we will be on the PS3"

Merely suggesting the possibility it could be on the PS3, is just part of hype, media, etc.

[basti]

I really think Smed's comment was just part of not wanting to give away too much. Right now there's a lot of stuff they won't comment about, which includes something is in the game or isn't. Purely because he says "Stay tuned" or we can't answer that right now, doesn't translate to "yes we will be on the PS3"

Merely suggesting the possibility it could be on the PS3, is just part of hype, media, etc.

Thats what sane minds would get out of those words. But "Stay tuned" has been commonly used as "Yes, we will announce more later" in the past years, and this is the result of it. Its imply bad choise of words by smed, and we have to pay for it with this growing threat. :D

[Crator]

It sounds to me though that there are some kind of plans for a console. I would not imagine he would say "Stay Tuned" if there wasn't. That doesn't mean it is something that we know what it is. What if it is not PS2 but another game that integrated with PS2? Like EVE and Dust...

[WarChimp130]

I'm just gonna say, DO NOT WANT! Any implementation onto console is going to take away from the PC experience if they play against each other. They are going to have to tweak the game to make it fit. It just isn't going to balance properly.

Worst news I've heard so far.

[basti]

It sounds to me though that there are some kind of plans for a console. I would not imagine he would say "Stay Tuned" if there wasn't. That doesn't mean it is something that we know what it is. What if it is not PS2 but another game that integrated with PS2? Like EVE and Dust...

Oh, im pretty sure there are plans. But it wont be the game we play. The PS2 they try to deliver, the game with the vehicles, thousands of players, big continents etc, the game we have seen in the trailer and on screenshots, wont be on PS3, as its simply impossible to do that (unless they feeded Forgelight with the blood of babys born by virgins).
But i think they may give it a try, and see how the game would run on a PS3. Maybe they can get a gimped version on the console, its worth a shot to try.
But who knows, maybe they have very different plans. They could really pull something like Dusk, and combine a PS2 for PC and something for console, without letting those two play together, but interact with each other. Could be a smaller scale game, where people battle over small islands or something.

[NapalmEnima]

But who knows, maybe they have very different plans. They could really pull something like Dusk, and combine a PS2 for PC and something for console, without letting those two play together, but interact with each other. Could be a smaller scale game, where people battle over small islands or something.

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the playstation 4 (or whatever it is they end up calling it).

[basti]

I'm pretty sure they're talking about the playstation 4 (or whatever it is they end up calling it).

So, i just went through the web, and apperently there really is a PS4 in development. While nothing is known besides the fact (yes, fact) that Sony spoke with investors and told them that part of their money is used to develop the PS4, it could indeed be possible that Smed is hinting at a potential PS4 release. Considering that that thing is propably top top secret right now and not even the PS2 staff has access to it, that would also explain why higby denies PS2 for console.


Wait and see i guess. the PS4 wont come anytime soon, we are in PS2 beta before we hear anything solid on that topic.

[Raymac]

that would also explain why higby denies PS2 for console.


Just a Point of Information, Higby never really denied PS2 ending up on consoles at some point. When he was asked about it, his response was "That would be news to me." which very well may be a denial, BUT it sounds much more like a non-answer than a "no" to me.

[Graywolves]

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[NapalmEnima]

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Instead of dumbing down the UI to work with a game controller, they JUST MIGHT ship with a mouse and keyboard. "You don't need a computer, you've got a PS4!"

[Crator]

So, why couldn't it still be a controller though? A special one, made just for PS2 that has the appropriate amount of buttons to make it just as playable as it can be on the keyboard/mouse, perhaps even better then the keyboard and mouse. The only thing missing would be typing to others and that could be fixed with in-game voice chat. Oh, and when this special PS2 mouse comes out for the console, make it so you can use it on a PC too!

[ThGlump]

Yea special controller. They will revive eye toy for PS4, to compete with MS. That would be weird controller for FPS. :)

[Redshift]

So, why couldn't it still be a controller though? A special one, made just for PS2 that has the appropriate amount of buttons to make it just as playable as it can be on the keyboard/mouse, perhaps even better then the keyboard and mouse. The only thing missing would be typing to others and that could be fixed with in-game voice chat. Oh, and when this special PS2 mouse comes out for the console, make it so you can use it on a PC too!

Because to be able to play a FPS on a console you have to have auto aim turned on, obviously thats a cheat if auto aim is used on PC's

regardless of that fact a controller is no match for a mouse and keyboard so they'd have to make who console servers; either that or the console guys would be useless fodder for the PCers to blow to bits

[ThGlump]

To be honest consoles started with best controller for fps games. Light gun. If you somewhat control movement with one hand you can shoot with other. And it would be even better than mouse aiming as you could shoot anywhere on screen, compared to center of the screen for mouse aim.

[HELLFISH88]

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/140/2/2/PC_Gaming_Master_Race_by_Claidheam_Righ.jpg

[Ailos]

Although I am one of many who despises the idea of console games mixed with PC versions, I have to admit, this may not be a bad idea. First and foremost because if PS2 is playable on PS3, then we can frag not 1500 players in a battle but a potentially larger fraction of the 70 million or so PSN subscribers. And I all but love that idea.

But I mean FFS rock band, you have to buy $200 worth of extra controllers to really enjoy it, and that doesn't include the game disc or any add on songs. And look how many people bought that shit. If SOE does release a playable version of PS2 for the PlayStation that mixes the PC and console populations, they cannot possibly be stupid enough not to require those guys to buy a mouse and keyboard, or a trackbaall, or some weird attachment for PlayStation move. And I don't think it would add any more than $100 to the retail price of the game for console. So that's the basics of taking care of the 'console controls suck' end of the stick.

The real shit end of the stick is the hardware. You may say that the PS3 is a beast of a data cruncher, and it was, back in 2007. You say its more powerful than a dual core with hyperthreading and that's true too. But we are in 2011. And my tablet has dual core with more ram than the PS3, and a videocard with 256 megs of dedicated ram. My actual gaming rig is a soon-to-be-upgraded quad core, a video card with a gig of dedicated memory, and a solid state drive. By the time PS2 hits the shelves, a proper gaming rig will be a minimum hex-core with 8 gigs ram and a video card somewhere along the lines of a radeon HD 6700. It will run anything you ask it to at Max detail and perfect frame rates, but more to the point, today that already costs less than $1500 if you put it together yourself. My point is, PS3 is dead in the water when it comes to competing with PC hardware and that's been a well known fact for quite some time now. So until PlayStation 4 comes out, there is no plausible way that this would be in any way enjoyable on a console. Unless they go the OnLive route. But that would require prohibitively expensive servers to run something as massive as PS2, and Sony isn't exactly flush with cash right now. And at the end of the day, Sony wants profit, and the possibility of making more money will drive the decision.

Just my two cents.

[cellinaire]

It makes sense now. All that simplifying, faster pace, driver/gunner crap, all to please console gamers.
As for number of players. Planetside2 continents are created from tons of small conquerable areas. Its simple to make those areas instanced with 100 max players. I think they somewhere mentioned that there wont be any instancing, but consoles > promises.

But when they said "no to instance"(I guess they will eventually introduce 'instancing', though), coupled with the fact that PS2 will incorporate more than 2,000 players in a continent, the dev team(surely) should've already tested with 100+ without instancing, right? I mean, kind of like what they usually call, stress testing :groovy:

[Graywolves]

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs44/f/2009/140/2/2/PC_Gaming_Master_Race_by_Claidheam_Righ.jpg

This. I approve.

[Levente]

uh oh. here it comes again... haha :lol: i hope they are just joking

[Crator]

Pretty screwed up joke if so.

[BuzzCutPsycho]

First F2P and now a possible console launch? I knew this game was going to be a joke.

[Aractain]

Yeah - I don't think this is the tube camping, deci swapping, tower droppin game you are looking for.

It might actually make some money this time however...

[Crator]

First F2P and now a possible console launch? I knew this game was going to be a joke.

LOL, better get used to it because the way the MMO market is heading they will all be like this it seems.

[Infektion]

QFT.
Have you ever played a console game that's ported to the PC? *cough* RAGE *cough* It is complete unplayable shit.


How do you consider it unplayable? I'm having a blast with it, I prefer the keyboard to the my wireless xbox 360 controller I use with a hacked RF board *I have too much time to spare*. The game has it's flaws, but it's definitely playable, and fun.

[Metalsheep]

If for some reason a console version was released and the servers shared with the PC version, the console gamers would HAVE to have aim assist. Thumbsticks are too unwieldy to do finer movements on targets. Console aim assist is not an aim bot. It does not aim for you, it actually slows down the acceleration of your look sensitivity automatically when an enemy is near your cross-heirs. Its like if you have a Gaming mouse and just slow down your sensitivity to get a finer aim on your target. I have a G500 and i do this all the time in Planetside. (HALOs aim assist is a little different and slightly sticky, but it still doesn't aim FOR you.)

Though i highly doubt they would mix the playerbase. In fact, i think if they did bring PS2 to a future console, they should design a Campaign experience, like a single player mode for the console versions, with a trimmed down Multiplayer system that the console could handle.

This could get your console-tards to buy and play Planetside 2, and if they enjoy it, they might decide to give the PC version a try, possibly converting them into a PC gamer, or at least get them to stay in PS2-PC.

[BuzzCutPsycho]

Yeah - I don't think this is the tube camping, deci swapping, tower droppin game you are looking for.

It might actually make some money this time however...

I never participated in any of that. I quit before the game eroded into the shit that people currently pay for.

And note that the only tower drops I did involved 29 other people.

Though i highly doubt they would mix the playerbase. In fact, i think if they did bring PS2 to a future console, they should design a Campaign experience, like a single player mode for the console versions, with a trimmed down Multiplayer system that the console could handle.

Uh huh... and it's be promptly shit on by the current console FPS kings such as Call of Duty and Halo. Nobody is going to give two fucks about PlanetSide on the console especially since it's original (albeit small) fan base is on the PC.

This could get your console-tards to buy and play Planetside 2, and if they enjoy it, they might decide to give the PC version a try, possibly converting them into a PC gamer, or at least get them to stay in PS2-PC.

No.

LOL, better get used to it because the way the MMO market is heading they will all be like this it seems.

I can easily get used to a F2P system if it's done correctly but please spare me the Asian style of cash shops that plauge that part of the world. The console stuff is just plain retarded.

[Crator]

LOL, better get used to it because the way the MMO market is heading they will all be like this it seems

I can easily get used to a F2P system if it's done correctly but please spare me the Asian style of cash shops that plauge that part of the world. The console stuff is just plain retarded.

Agreed