Higby tweets Sneak Peek at Next Weeks Theme

[Hamma]

mhigby: Sneak peak at next weeks #Planetside2 theme, can you guess whst it is?? http://t.co/d4QRBkcO

http://www.planetside-universe.com/images/screenshots/fptn_snpeek.jpg

Full sized image:

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/main/psnext/snpeek.jpg

[TheRagingGerbil]

No good terran...

[Marth Koopa]

Filthy goggle wearing monkeys

[Nobel]

This Weeks Theme: Ze Goggles!

[basti]

Horray, a list of team members and their empires!


GO VANU GO!

http://yfrog.com/z/gztbdoybj

[Slepnair]

You're just jealous of the badassery of the goggles :)

[Kouza]

What was this weeks theme?

[Slepnair]

Horray, a list of team members and their empires!


GO VANU GO!

http://yfrog.com/z/gztbdoybj

Literally half of what he shows are VS...

[Higby]

Literally half of what he shows are VS...

lots of nerds on this team =(

[basti]

Say that again when the Lashers burn your face :P

[basti]

Oh, and as a completly random note: the guy on that googlez shot is Is Steve Kick, a proud member of the VS and obviously the guy with the most awesome name in the PS2 dev team.

[Peacemaker]

I'm more concerned with the fact that TR has only one Coder -_- Stealth Nerfs galore!

[I SandRock]

This weeks theme will be character design? Customization?

Kevin Burns, appropriate for TR scum. It's his destiny!

And james C(h)ampion of VS!

[basti]

We should totally make a planetside 2 trading card game out of the devs names. :D

[DviddLeff]

*You are my sunshine" has to be a secret code!

[Equinox]

Say that again when the Lashers burn your face :P

Say that when you have no face

[Bags]

TR design week

yay.

[NapalmEnima]

I'm more concerned with the fact that TR has only one Coder -_- Stealth Nerfs galore!

I expect to see this code immediately my Vanu-kool-aid-drinking brethren!


// gotta keep it subtle
const static float DIE_BITCH_DIE = 1.1;
const static float NEENER_NEENER = 0.9;

/*
* This is my function. There are many like it but this one is mine.
*/
void Player::inflictDamage(float damage) {
Empire playerEmp = player->getEmpire();
if (playerEmp == SPRAY_N_PRAY_WHORE_TR || playerEmp == MISSES_THEIR_GIMP_MASK_NC) {
player->takeDamage( damage * DIE_BITCH_DIE );
} else {
ASSERT( playerEmp == ROOL_JU_VS );
player->takeDamage( damage * NEENER_NEENER );
}
}


I mean, if you can't put snide comments in the code, where can you?

[Sirisian]

Aww sweet. Hat week!

[LostSoul]

It'll be customization, thats my guess :o

[FIREk]

a) It's about customization,

b) It's about classes. I'll be damned if that TR concept art on the top monitor isn't PS2's equivalent of ReXo - the Assault Class.

[SKYeXile]

Yea that armour looksmore heavy or elborite that what we have seen, would likly be customisation, or they could just be reveiling what all the armour looks like. standard through to rexo. since we have seen some std or agile armour and then rather heavy armour already when compared to that.

I'm intrested either way.

[Raymac]

The concept art looks rad. It would be really cool to have a book or something of all the concept art for PS2.

[FIREk]

Yea that armour looksmore heavy or elborite that what we have seen, would likly be customisation, or they could just be reveiling what all the armour looks like. standard through to rexo. since we have seen some std or agile armour and then rather heavy armour already when compared to that.

I'm intrested either way.
Well, you've got light, for jump-packers, and the one with additional leg and arm armor could be the middle armor.
Since Heavy Assault will only be usable by the Assault Class, ReXO (an eXO-suit) might be the prerequisite. The additional strength and rigidity coming from powered armor may rationalize limiting the heavy, hard-kicking MCG/Jackhammer to only the heaviest non-MAX class.
So I doubt that it's just a heavily-customized version of what we have seen so far.

The concept art looks rad. It would be really cool to have a book or something of all the concept art for PS2.

THIS! I would pay stupid monies for something like this!

[SKYeXile]

hrm well I think we have only seen 2 armours right?

previously i thought the heavily plated armour we have seen would have been the new TR heavy armour, just gone for a more "realistic" sort of take on heavy armour, but after seeing this new one, it would makes this old stuff look like agile armour, and the original TR armour look like standard.

This new armour looks like it is full plate, there is no cloth or spandex showing like the current rexos.

the jetpack pack armour looks kinda like the standard armour, cant really tell from the rear though.

[Bags]

I'll be really upset if that's the armor I have to wear to use heavy assault, because it looks like Global Agenda's alpha heavy armor - aka trash.

Oh well, it's not like I'll ever see myself at least...

[Lonehunter]

It's obviously about goggles. There's at least 2 weeks of content there, we could talk about that constantly.

[Bags]

It's obviously about goggles. There's at least 2 weeks of content there, we could talk about that constantly.

Zey do nothing.

/discussion

[Tapman]

lots of nerds on this team =(

At least the TR seems to be the Hipsters of the team, only one coder in the whole bunch. I bet all the rest have B.A.'s from liberal arts colleges and wear ze retro gogglez.

Zey do nothing.

/discussion

EDIT: My first thought was more art, but classes and personal customization makes more sense. I doubt we will see much about the weapons yet.

[SKYeXile]

EDIT: My first thought was more art, but classes and personal customization makes more sense. I doubt we will see much about the weapons yet.

ZOMG NC IS OP.

[mefy]

So DanB is a designer? I was looking forward to his ban-stick in PS2. Not.

[SKYeXile]

So DanB is a designer? I was looking forward to his ban-stick in PS2. Not.

designing ways to ban more efficiently.

[DDSHADE]

REXO!! :D

It looks incredible, I hope that the orange coloured lenses make it in the game, or that they are customizable! =)

[DDSHADE]

Perhaps the Theme of next week is Armor types or customization of Armor.

[Traak]

Anyone notice the Transformers art in the background?

Or Gundam. Or something. Picture on the left looks like the left leg with a white thigh and red shin of a Gundam or some such in gray concrete arena. Picture on the right looks like it has a semi-Optimus-Primes-ish guy just left of center with a white chest and possibly a Transformers logo in the middle of it.

No to BFR's!

[Traak]

If HA requires heavy armor like that... it reminds me of Heavy Infantry. People would need a more muscular initial avatar character to carry it. Which would lead to more lethality in physical stuff, such as knife usage.

[Brusi]

Hmm... Duke, whatever it is that you are doing right now, i'm sure it envolves your pants around your ankles..

[Bags]

REXO!! :D

It looks incredibl..

I agree, it does look incredibly dumb.

Seriously though, if the TR doesn't get something cool I might go NC... TR look so lame so far. Lame Rexo, lame rifle, lame max lame everything!

inb4

CUS TOM I ZAY SHUN

[Traak]

This glare in his right eye needs to be more centric.. if not more level. his eyes don't move with the gas mask lense.. it's static... no matter what direction or dimension.

Actually, the glare will be at an angle, relative to straight forward from the viewer to the thing reflecting the glare, that is in line with where the glare light is coming from.

In those lenses, since they are curved, the glare being right at the viewer means that whatever program he is using is assuming the light source is coming from the viewer's direction.

To have the glare as beady dots that always point straight forward? Then it looks like black eyes with tiny white pupils, staring, zombie-like, forward.

If they render it accurately in PS, then any reflections off the lenses should show bright spots, namely one or however many suns the planet has, as being reflected accurately so that the glare spot wouldn't be at the viewer, unless the viewer was standing triumphantly over the fallen TR, almost directly in line with the sun, casting a shadow on him, but not on his goggles.

[Captain B]

That dude looks badass. I really like the look. If you could take the fear-and-awe of an Imperial Stormtrooper and turn it into PlanetSide, I think this would be it. Good job, guys.

[Bags]

That dude looks badass. I really like the look. If you could take the fear-and-awe of an Imperial Stormtrooper and turn it into PlanetSide, I think this would be it. Good job, guys.

Says the guy playing on NC! Of course you want us to look butt ugly...

[Xyntech]

We haven't seen much of the NC and even less of the VS, but the TR infantry are shaping up to be badass. I like their designs a lot more than the PS1 TR.

VS were about the only infantry armor I really loved from PS1 though. So far, what little we have seen of the NC armor hasn't impressed me too much, but it hasn't turned me off either. Between the NC MAX concept art and the NC ES vehicles (damn it, give me back my reaver), I could definitely see myself rolling an NC alt on another server regardless of how their armor looks.

TR on the other hand, I may have to role an alt just for the armor. The agile I could take or leave, but I'm loving the rexo.

Still though, VS for life! Nothing's gonna make me abandon my empire, short of mandatory pink tutus and nerf powered laser guns.

[Aractain]

Says the guy playing on NC! Of course you want us to look butt ugly...

You don't think goggles put fear into the hearts of scumbags? JUST LIKE BATMAN??!!

(edit: I splet it Googles orignaly.... soooo yeah TR is powered by Google. FEAR!)

[Talek Krell]

I've benn getting kind of an Imperial Guard vibe from the TR. I approve of this.

[Bags]

You don't think goggles put fear into the hearts of scumbags? JUST LIKE BATMAN??!!

(edit: I splet it Googles orignaly.... soooo yeah TR is powered by Google. FEAR!)

I've liked all of the new TR armor up until this concept art monstrosity. This is the one thing that will make me glad they removed third person!

White and red too... bleahg.

[Graywolves]

I like the TR armor so far.


Waiting to see more before final judgment. I don't think it's ugly like Bags does though.... We're a Terran Republic War Machine not Apocalypse Ponies.

[Captain1nsaneo]

That concept art is surprisingly similar to the screen shot that The9 showed us a while back.

[Traak]

BTW, it's not white and red. It's gunmetal gray with tons of glare in a high-brightness-image with red.

[Bags]

I like the TR armor so far.


Waiting to see more before final judgment. I don't think it's ugly like Bags does though.... We're a Terran Republic War Machine not Apocalypse Ponies.

Says you. All of the armor but the rexo looks bad ass.

[Captain B]

It may very well be a cert/upgrade purchase. I mean, I thought we already saw the "heavy" class? Y'know, with the plates on the legs and arms? So, what the hell is all this extra armor and stuff for, and how do you get it?

[RedKnights]

Says you. All of the armor but the rexo looks bad ass.

Omg, we get it, but you're wrong, stop being a priss already! :rolleyes:

But yea, I'm jealous most of the TR stuff has been amazingly right down my alley, I might switch to TR, I love how everything has that rounded, clean, "stormtrooper"/"imperial" feel to it. Feels so right, I love it, can't wait to see the NC and Vanu stuffs too!

More importantly I want to see the Vanu Max armor rendered on the PC gamer mag cover XD

[Bags]

but you're wrong


It's an opinion. It can't be wrong.

It may very well be a cert/upgrade purchase. I mean, I thought we already saw the "heavy" class? Y'know, with the plates on the legs and arms? So, what the hell is all this extra armor and stuff for, and how do you get it?

Maybe it's a different max armor variant? Looks bulkier than the one they already showed. Can't imagine rexo is heavier duty than a max.

[I SandRock]

Yea that armour looksmore heavy or elborite that what we have seen, would likly be customisation, or they could just be reveiling what all the armour looks like. standard through to rexo. since we have seen some std or agile armour and then rather heavy armour already when compared to that.

I'm intrested either way.

I thought it was about customization because the pattern on top of the helmet seems kind of custom.

Though it could be Character Art as well

[Captain B]

Maybe it's a different max armor variant?

Shoulder pads aren't big enough. As we've seen, if you're not rockin' 80s-style shoulder pads, you aren't a MAX.

http://www.unitlost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Planetside-2-Mechs.jpg

God damn those look awesome...

Anyway, you can't see it but as you may remember, NC has the big friggin' kindergarten blocks on their shoulders. I do like how each of their epic shoulder pads still maintain the empire's "shape" (big square/rectangle for NC, big sphere for the TR, and big spiky triangles for the VS).

[Bruttal]

Shoulder pads aren't big enough. As we've seen, if you're not rockin' 80s-style shoulder pads, you aren't a MAX.

http://www.unitlost.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Planetside-2-Mechs.jpg

God damn those look awesome...

Anyway, you can't see it but as you may remember, NC has the big friggin' kindergarten blocks on their shoulders. I do like how each of their epic shoulder pads still maintain the empire's "shape" (big square/rectangle for NC, big sphere for the TR, and big spiky triangles for the VS).

Those sure do look good standing by each other cant wait to see the real thing out there ;)

[Bruttal]

Says the guy playing on NC! Of course you want us to look butt ugly...

I think that gas masks makes everything look more evil i mean look at these pictures

http://www.wallchan.com/images/sandbox/5808-gas-mask-war-soldier.jpg
http://www.wallpapers4desktop.net/_ph/20/2/715225894.jpg
http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2009/1/1/14259_md-Gas%20Mask,%20Poster,%20Terrain,%20World%20War%202 .jpg
http://0.tqn.com/d/history1900s/1/0/4/T/wwiip257.jpg


am not TR but trust me if i started having dreams with kids waring gas masks my ass would have a heart attack in bed.

I mean it You could be getting one of the following and I could careless its not going on my head ;)

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01477/gasmask-10_1477256c.jpg
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk2ev1sbTQ1qz6f9yo1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lo45rfTG9R1qbga0so1_500.jpg

[NCLynx]

Lookin good, hope we see more by the time they do the webcast.

[Tikuto]

Horray, a list of team members and their empires!


GO VANU GO!

http://yfrog.com/z/gztbdoybj

lmao :lol::lol:

[Synnoc]

I'm reminded most strongly of power armor from Fallout. Now that's rexo.

[Bags]

I liked that armor, but not this armor. Maybe it will look better in game.

[CrystalViolet]

All the TR stuff looks rad so far. Although the 3D model isn't finished in that pic, it looks like it's shaping up a bit different than the drawing. I'll wait to see the finished Rexo before I give it my stamp of disapproval.

[TacosWLove]

Very nice, I think that TR shot looks sweet!

Im guessing straight TR week, simply because its on of the first TR shots we have seen and I dont see much customization going on. Maybe its all about avatars, who knows..

[Crator]

It's funny how Higby likes to keep us guessing. Like some kind of sick joke he gets pleasure from. :P

[Traak]

Anticipation whets the appetite.

"Whet" means "sharpen" not "satisfy".

It also doesn't mean "wet." A whetstone is for putting a very fine point or edge on something. It does not mean that oil, water, or some other liquid is supposed to wet it before use. It is also a mathematical operation used to check computer CPU processing capability. Some clever guy came up with another operation known as "dhrystones" also.

You just can't make this stuff up.

From Wikipedia:

The Dhrystone benchmark contains no floating point operations, thus the name is a pun on the then-popular Whetstone benchmark for floating point operations. The output from the benchmark is the number of Dhrystones per second (the number of iterations of the main code loop per second).

[Bags]

Fingers crossed that that's not required to use heavy assault or it can be customized to look halfways decent.

[Sirisian]

Fingers crossed that that's not required to use heavy assault or it can be customized to look halfways decent.
:confused: It looks amazing for a heavy assault player. I'm surprised anyone would be against it. You've made a lot of posts with your opinion (http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/search.php?searchid=641102), but I can't figure out why any TR player would be against this look. What did you expect from a heavy assault class?

Gun metal gray with red looks absolutely amazing. I hope VS has a similar design with large sharp scale armor.

[Crator]

TR armor lookin' good!

[Firefly]

It's an opinion. It can't be wrong.
Perhaps not. But they can be ignorant, ill-informed, illogical, immoral and/or prejudiced. Or D) all of the above. It really depends on the opinion.

[Bags]

:confused: It looks amazing for a heavy assault player. I'm surprised anyone would be against it. You've made a lot of posts with your opinion (http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/search.php?searchid=641102), but I can't figure out why any TR player would be against this look. What did you expect from a heavy assault class?

Gun metal gray with red looks absolutely amazing. I hope VS has a similar design with large sharp scale armor.

It looks terrible; how are you surprised anyone would be against it?!?!

I expected Rexo from Planetside 1 that looks cool, not some global agenda armor copy cat that looks lame. If I wanted to look like a max I'd use maxes.

And the color scheme sucks. I like red / black, not red/greyishwhite.


On the positive side of this, this has made me embrace the lack of third person!

[basti]

If next weeks Theme is the Terran republic, then im gonna cry. NEED VANU ALREADY!

[Traak]

It isn't Red/Grey/White. It's red and grey with white shine and highlights because the drawing up there is very washed out and over-bright.

Take a look. All the white is highlight and sheen. White would just be a five-mile target marker sans pareil.

[IceyCold]

Gotta say I like the TR heavy armor, but I am sure you'll be able to customize it to your liking Bags. I can see what you are saying though, it did remind me a bit of GA.

Just have to see.

[Graywolves]

It's funny how Higby likes to keep us guessing. Like some kind of sick joke he gets pleasure from. :P

Higby: "Do you want to play a game?"


And Bags you're the only one who hates it xD

I don't think we've seen enough of it to make a final decision.

[FIREk]

It looks like a proper piece of powered armor, capable of wielding Heavy Assault weaponry. The concept art helmet looks stupid tall from the eyes up, though.

Assuming that the 3D model is derived from the concept art, and looks nothing like it, I think we can feel safe.

It could also mean the the MAX units are nothing like their concepts. :<

[Bags]

It is fitting, I'll give it that.

[EASyEightyEight]

It's weird how different the rendered model looks from the concept art, which looks more akin to a skull in my eyes, though I can barely tell since the brightness was cranked up to 11, bleaching just about everything though I guess this is where the customization comes in. They don't just build the base model and voila, it's alternates poof into a file somewhere, as convenient as that would be.

Could also be the early workings of taking the light armor helmet and building on that.

I too thought the fore-arm/upper-leg variants with the full mask were rexo with a more realistic feel. Guess those are just for customization. Probably more protection for less mobility even, but nothing compared to actually going Heavy assault in power armor I imagine.

I for one hope they can take a beating. They can't really heal themselves save for medpacks most likely, but I want them to be something to fear as a medic or engineer or jump troopers with an assault rifle. I see one of these guys aiming towards me, I should be thinking Spartan/Elite or even Terminator, only not nearly so impervious to small arms fire

Hell, maybe they grant them regenerative shielding? What do we know? Maybe we'll find out next week! :groovy:

[Firefly]

If next weeks Theme is the Terran republic, then im gonna cry. NEED VANU ALREADY!
I think you got enough Vanu when they posted the picture of developers and their team preferences: 26 of 52 devs played Vanu. That's exactly half. I only saw 3-4 TR devs.

So...

... yeah you Vanu techrophiliacs can fucking wait.

[SKYeXile]

I like the concept power armour, gives me faith we might be playing Planetside 2, not a BF/COD MMO. thats the vibe that I have been getting from all the regular armour we have seen in past screen shots and gameplay, with how they have gone for that more realistic plate armor look.

[Traak]

Question for the devs: Are any armor classes other than MAX's powered in any way? (excluding jump packs, I'm talking about limb/body movement and strength augmentation.)

[Xyntech]

I wouldn't mind some more Crysis nanosuit action. We've already got cloaking and speed boost in the first game. Some super strength and high jumps could be fun. I know we already have jump packs for the latter, but the jumping could be much smaller of a vertical distance than the jump packs can offer. Combine uber jumping with a jump pack for maximum height clearance. :D

I imagine if they make HA be class specific, that a lack of strength enhancement will be the limiting factor.

[Bags]

If I can pick people up by the throat all will be forgiven.

[Xyntech]

Grab infiltrator by invisible throat. Punch face. Repeat as necessary. Dispose of body in nearest dumpster. Throw dumpster at enemies.

[Bruttal]

Wanna know witch weekness TR and Darth Vader shares togather?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjrWP7ysxAg&feature=player_detailpage#t=203s

[Graywolves]

Wanna know witch weekness TR and Darth Vader shares togather?.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjrWP7ysxAg&feature=player_detailpage#t=203s

Wait what's happening in February?

[kaffis]

The theme will be Helmets!!!

[cellinaire]

Hehe the concept art on that screeny looks a lot like an exo-skeleton suit to me which feels like as if it has come right out of the japanese anime scenes lol :groovy:

But looks good anyway

[Bruttal]

OMG i just looked up the tie fighter pilot's helmets tell me something do these share alot of resemblance or what?.

http://www.brianstoys.com/store/images/products/images1/d_22186.jpg http://www.planetside-universe.com/images/screenshots/fptn_snpeek.jpg

Oh yeah be careful george lucius LOVES to sue people

[Crator]

I wonder how that works exactly in the art industry. There are similarities between the two, yes, but there are differences too.

[Firefly]

I wonder how that works exactly in the art industry. There are similarities between the two, yes, but there are differences too.
What do you think World of Warcraft is?

It's a near-perfect rip-off of Warhammer Fantasy. Blizzard pitched a game idea to Games Workshop, GW said "let's see what you've got." When Blizzard delivered the goods, GW said "This is shit." So Blizzard turned around and changed a few names, altered a few visual aspects, and bam.

Best-selling legal crack addiction ever.

[EASyEightyEight]

I wonder how that works exactly in the art industry. There are similarities between the two, yes, but there are differences too.

We artists like to call it "referencing" and "inspiration" :cool: The latter causes is us to want to come up with something like it because it's cool, but we merely use it as a reference to get the basic design out, then we detail it with our own imaginations from there.

What do you think World of Warcraft is?

It's a near-perfect rip-off of Warhammer Fantasy. Blizzard pitched a game idea to Games Workshop, GW said "let's see what you've got." When Blizzard delivered the goods, GW said "This is shit." So Blizzard turned around and changed a few names, altered a few visual aspects, and bam.

Best-selling legal crack addiction ever.

I'm sure Games Workshop is still kicking themselves in the balls over this. The online RPG community could be bashing World of Warhammer instead.

[Crator]

I wonder how that works exactly in the art industry. There are similarities between the two, yes, but there are differences too.

We artists like to call it "referencing" and "inspiration" :cool: The latter causes is us to want to come up with something like it because it's cool, but we merely use it as a reference to get the basic design out, then we detail it with our own imaginations from there.

Ya, I knew that. I just meant, as far a copyrights go. And how do they affect something if the inspiration used to create you're art is too close to the original.

[Firefly]

I'm sure Games Workshop is still kicking themselves in the balls over this.
I don't think so. When we were building Warhammer Online, we asked the GW representative and they really didn't care - the way it was explained was this: Games Workshop has an incredibly high standard. Blizzard's product did not meet that standard. Yes, it's a cash cow. But when it was demonstrated to GW, it was a sub-standard, ugly cow.

[Captain B]

It still is a sub-standard, ugly cow.

[EASyEightyEight]

Ya, I knew that. I just meant, as far a copyrights go. And how do they affect something if the inspiration used to create you're art is too close to the original.

Very hard to prove in court. Generally speaking, the Terran Republic heavy armor concept we've seen could probably be more attributed to the Helghast (still Sony, I know, but bear with me,) however it's arguably different enough that it's not copyright, even if you took a hose from the... I guess snout of the TR gasmask and wrapped around the back, it would still be a TR helmet. Even easier to call it original and stand alone when you have the rest of the armor to see it with, which gives me the impression of Half-Life's hazard suit (just by what we can see in the image.)

I used to compare the Master Chief to the DOOM marine myself. You can see in PS1 the inspirations in some of the helmet designs (TR motorcyclist, Vanu bicyclist, NC riot.) For their part, I don't think they were exactly trying to copy the Stormtrooper pilot helmet, the concept art looks more like a skull to me, with the orange goggles feeling straight out of Killzone's Helghast.

For the sake of reputation however, it's best if people don't immediately relate the design to something else upon seeing it, especially in mass towards a single object (you've failed then.) Gas masks and goggles are kind of dead in the water in this way though. MANY "bad guys" in video games and movies wear gas masks. It's iconic for bad things in general.

For the most part, no one will give a crap unless it's an all-too obvious rip off.

Don't get me wrong though, the TR are the good guys in PS2, oh yes! The NC are terrorists. I can at least count on the VS to work with the TR if it means saving civilian lives.

[Tikuto]

hm.. terran ftw.

[Canaris]

New Clownites to the left of us and Van00bs to the right, still the Terran Republic looks great in it's goggles!

All disparaging remarks about them just means you're jealous. :p

What is the deal with the studio empire imbalance anyway?
Also who's the highest ranking TR lover?

[FrittsUSKTA]

Looks like a scuba helmet ... That's just what I need hehe