What do you think could ruin Planetside 2?

[SuperMorto]

Now before you all go crazy, this is just a post about ideas on things you think could effect the overall game of PS2 based on the knolage we have so far.

For example, as it is F2P, then what issues is this going to cause, like multiple accounts etc etc.

Now we all know people on the interwebs will do their best to ruin a good experience for all, anbd abuse every aspect of something until it breaks, and I was thinking what all you folks imagine will be the big issues in PS2 with F2P and other factors.

This is also a good post for the devs to watch out for. I know they will be working hard to cover every angle, but sometimes one little thing can make its way in and cause havoc.

Edit* Now I know some other games have been ruined by hackers, robots etc etc. Its info like this im after, so I can watch out for them. Im not trying to dam the game before it released, more dam the folks that will try to ruin it!

Thanks,

Morto.

[IceyCold]

So far just about everything I have heard and seen has made me believe Planetside 2 has the chance to take the shooter and mmo market by storm; but if there is one thing I think could ruin it, it would be:

HACKERS

SOE needs to take this seriously, over anything else.

Lag, clipping textures, unbalanced weapons, all these things could be an issue; but none of them will drive people away from the game faster than Hackers.

This is the biggest reason why I would like for SOE to launch Planetside 2 on Steam. Not only is it great marketing, but as a free to play game PS2 will have no "cost" to getting caught hacking. However when you are caught hacking in a game on Steam with VAC, your entire account could face ban; meaning not just Planetside 2 but any game on your account is now gone. It is a great way to prevent hacking.

[SuperMorto]

So far just about everything I have heard and seen has made me believe Planetside 2 has the chance to take the shooter and mmo market by storm; but if there is one thing I think could ruin it, it would be:

HACKERS

SOE needs to take this seriously, over anything else.

Lag, clipping textures, unbalanced weapons, all these things could be an issue; but none of them will drive people away from the game faster than Hackers.

This is the biggest reason why I would like for SOE to launch Planetside 2 on Steam. Not only is it great marketing, but as a free to play game PS2 will have no "cost" to getting caught hacking. However when you are caught hacking in a game on Steam with VAC, your entire account could face ban; meaning not just Planetside 2 but any game on your account is now gone. It is a great way to prevent hacking.

Thanks for the info, I never knew VAC was used for anti hacking. Thats a good idea tho, but the only problem is I can imagine Steam will charge? Correct me if im wrong.

But hacking for sure can ruin a game.

What about robots?, Not sure if anything like the gold collecting bots of WOW could be made, as there is no gold to collect, but im sure some nerd will come up with something a bot could do in game.

[Crator]

I've actually had a bad experience using Steam. They just banned my account one day, for no reason. And they wouldn't give me a reason either, I asked. At the time I didn't have that many games purchased through them so I just forgot about it. Now though, I have quite a few games through them with a new account so I would be upset if it happened again.

[SuperMorto]

I've actually had a bad experience using Steam. They just banned my account one day, for no reason. And they wouldn't give me a reason either, I asked. At the time I didn't have that many games purchased through them so I just forgot about it. Now though, I have quite a few games through them with a new account so I would be upset if it happened again.

I generally like Steam, but can say I find it very frustrating some times with sppeds and when a game updates and you just bought it!!!!!!!!!! (New Vegas few months ago 8 hours download on a Sunday when i had all the time in the world!). And somehow it seems strange to have a company own all your games arg!! Well have them in their hands! :eek:

But no hacking is the way forward, look at Xbox, Blizzard etc, they all do a good (not perfect) job of it.

[Tikuto]

The end of the three year business plan for PlanetSide 2 after launch.

[waldizzo]

Bad marketing:
Not many people knew about Planetside and that hurt the game more than anything.

[SuperMorto]

Bad marketing:
Not many people knew about Planetside and that hurt the game more than anything.

Sometimes I think it was that bad, that there was actually somebody out there trying to hurt the game. Look at what has become popular in gaming, everything Planetside was. So why didn't it make it?

Seems strange to me that, if you have something good and the power to make it better why would you not?

Hmmmmm.

[Traak]

Just so you know, cheaters, the senator is YOU. The artist is anyone who points out that you are cheating. What is the usual defense! ATTACK!

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[TRex]

1.forumside

2. hacking ofc

3.lack of advertising

4.dumbing the game down and listening too much to the nerf brigade. instead, once a nerf request is made, the GM extracts their character to a simulator and they stay there until they achieve a relatively competent level and allowed back into the general community.

5. Planetside 3

[HELLFISH88]

1. When it come's down to Hacker's VS SOE my money is on SOE. (Loyalty until death etc..) I would hope hacking was thought about during the construction of Forelight and planetside 2 itself. Enable counter measure's or easily adaptable defenses. (What , I'm not DanB..I don't know how this work's)

2. Marketing. We absolutely cannot make the same mistake twice. How foolish we would be. Great Dishonor. This is the perfect market to launch this game in. Take advantage of the FPS frenzy and GET IT OUT THERE.

3. DUST 514: Their ambition is great. CCP is a direct threat to SOE even morso then Blizzard.

[Death2All]

If any of SuperMorto's ideas gets implemented into PS2 :doh:.

[Marth Koopa]

The only major deal-breaker I can think of is poor TTK balance.

Honestly, the thought of faster-than-PS1 TTKs scares me. Getting killed by 3 deci hits in a max is TOO fast already

[Traak]

The only major deal-breaker I can think of is poor TTK balance.

Honestly, the thought of faster-than-PS1 TTKs scares me. Getting killed by 3 deci hits in a max is TOO fast already

I'm hoping enough of the devs aren't suffering Small Man Syndrome to think it adds anything to the game to have the weakest character classes able to kill the strongest ones with impunity and ease.

I KNOW it's the video game world, and they have to cater to little boys and make them feel strong, smart, and powerful, sort of like a geisha's job, but note EVERYONE who plays the game is insecure about their size.

[Xaine]

Honestly, the thought of faster-than-PS1 TTKs scares me. Getting killed by 3 deci hits in a max is TOO fast already

As an almost exclusive AI MAX user, i'd have to disagree.

Getting hit by a Deci as a MAX is painfull, and its annoying when you get annihilated so fast. However, there are also times when there are about 5 softies shooting at you with small arms weapons and you can just stand there and blast them apart. In larger fights as well, softies without AV won't even go for you first. They will go for the stuff they can actually drop. So you really can stand there and flatten all of them.

I play VS, and our AI MAX weaponry is the worst for indoor fighting. We have other advantages, but for indoor, close range fighting the other MAXs are better. I still manage to go 10/1 every time. Honestly, i think MAXs are OP as they are.

The only thing that i'm scared of are Decis, and i can still kill a guy before he can get three off. :)

[Traak]

The only thing that i'm scared of are Decis, and i can still kill a guy before he can get three off. :)

You can kill someone who decis you, ducks around a corner and repairs/heals, decis you again, ducks again, and heals/repairs, then hits you with a third one? You are evidently not playing any Planetside game I've heard of.

[SKYeXile]

You can kill someone who decis you, ducks around a corner and repairs/heals, decis you again, ducks again, and heals/repairs, then hits you with a third one? You are evidently not playing any Planetside game I've heard of.

so i take it your standing still in the middle of the open while this is happening going "like OMG this is SO BS, that i cant shoot through walls right now, cover...wtf...ARG HE HIT ME AGAIN." really ...are we having this coversation, you got outplayed with one of the highest DPS guns in the game while wearing the heaviest armour.

its nice to know somebody like Xaine gets it, its Sooo retarded when you;re in an AI max facing off chumps without AV. meanwhile you're making the "no nom nom" sound as people are bouncing bullets off you and you're chasing down the agiles scattering.

yea the obvious problem for SOE is hacking...thats clear...i think they may have noticed the issue though...since its worldwide news.

marking, well they;re relasing stuff each week and hyping the shit out of this game, lets hope they ramp it up with gameplay videos....or they can just let me in and ill make them from playtest footage *hint*

the main issue i think would be having a smooth launch witha complete and polished product, but i think with SOE's recent launches thats something they're capable of.

The faster TTK i think is a problem, simply because planetside in an MMO, and if the game is clientside/serverside hit detection like BF3 with fast TTK weapons, then im afraid there will be alot of raging Americans when i shoot them around corners and kill them before they see me. the same can obviously happen to me...but i expect it and wont nerdrage.

[Thoreaux]

Unfortunately, Steam only stops people if they're dumb enough to play PS2 on their main account. That is, unless Steam engages in IP-based account bans, and I don't think they do. Even then, IP bans don't really work. There's only one way to fix it.

Box-Price; it has to have a box price, or hackers are going to be a problem. You can repeatedly remove the most obvious ones, but they'll just keep coming back. We all know it, we saw it with the barcode hackers during f2p in PS1. Every time a hacker gets banned, it must cost them something, even if only a little bit, or they will come back ad infinitum. Hackers define the phrase "no life", after all.

[SKYeXile]

Unfortunately, Steam only stops people if they're dumb enough to play PS2 on their main account. That is, unless Steam engages in IP-based account bans, and I don't think they do. Even then, IP bans don't really work. There's only one way to fix it.

Box-Price; it has to have a box price, or hackers are going to be a problem. You can repeatedly remove the most obvious ones, but they'll just keep coming back. We all know it, we saw it with the barcode hackers during f2p in PS1. Every time a hacker gets banned, it must cost them something, even if only a little bit, or they will come back ad infinitum. Hackers define the phrase "no life", after all.

they can still make it F2P and just have people add credit card details. though it has been proven as an issue for some people since they cant get credit cards, and credit cards are not an easy thing to replace, unless you want to signup with a different union or get a new card everytime you get banned for hacking.

but anyway a box fee i think is a good thing anyway, somehow people think they're getting a more quality product if they;re paying a box fee since f2p generally has a bad wrap.

in any case though an engine thats not 100% clinetside, along with secondary anti hack detector (read: warden, not: punkbuster) should be enough to deter alot of people, when they can be detected and banned before loading up the client.

[Ghoest9]

Naked men.

Nothing ruins a game as quickly as the inclusion of nude dudes.

[Talek Krell]

3. DUST 514: Their ambition is great. CCP is a direct threat to SOE even morso then Blizzard.Dust? Nah. Their ambition might be great but their execution is flawed. They're making an arena deathmatch shooter for a console that may only go a couple more years before being replaced. I'd be more worried about the BF and CoD franchises.

[Ghoest9]

No Dust isnt a threat to PS2.

I say this a current EVE player.

[Mirror]

SOE and stupid players (I'll put hackers and the complainers in there).

[bjorntju1]

Dust is as much as an MMOFPS as Global Agenda etc. (so not an MMOFPS in my eyes) afaik Dust only supports a max of 64 players. Also DUST 514 is only on PS3

[fake edit]
Searched, found Dust 514 only supports 32 players.

[SKYeXile]

SOE and stupid players (I'll put hackers and the complainers in there).

the forums, lol yes.

[Bags]

Listening to the forums on balance. Weren't BFRs supported by most people pre-release?

[SKYeXile]

Listening to the forums on balance. Weren't BFRs supported by most people pre-release?

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[SgtMAD]

SOE and stupid players (I'll put hackers and the complainers in there).


always a winner

[Baron]

Instances (of any type and magnitude)

[Crator]

Well, the end of the world is soon, so that will ruin just about everything :P

[FastAndFree]

Listening to the forums on balance. Weren't BFRs supported by most people pre-release?

And it would have been fine if they were implemented better?

I doubt people were specifically asking for pwnmobiles with the power to take on entire tank columns or whatever

[Metalsheep]

And it would have been fine if they were implemented better?

I doubt people were specifically asking for pwnmobiles with the power to take on entire tank columns or whatever

Well, being as large as they are, they needed SOME kind of edge. As soon as a BFR shows up on the field, its instantly in every ones crosshiers due to its size/glowy shield. Infantry roflstomp them with just one Jammer. Though they were OP on release, now i think they're too weak.
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And i think only SoE themselves can ruin PS2 with lack of Marketing/Development/Poor Anti-hack or GMs.

[Xyntech]

As Higby (I think it was him) mentioned in an interview, at some point you can't please everyone and have to go with your own vision, but consider also that they are planning on having a 3 year plan. It will mostly be their own ideas I'm sure, but the priorities will be influenced by the community.

The community (in general) wanted BFR's, but it wasn't the community who designed them or balanced them or said they were ready to go live.

Running with every whim of the community is a bad idea, but the community can also be a valuable source of info and ideas. The devs just have to use their own best judgement to determine which ideas they think are bad or good.

[CutterJohn]

Communities grossly over rate the quality of their ideas. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Everyone has them. The only decent ideas players generally contribute are in the ease of use category, since the developers have long since become accustomed to whatever crazy systems/menus are in place.

[Malorn]

Poor marketing (People don't know about it)
Bad business model (people avoid it or it isn't profitable)
Hackers (obvious)
Poor performance (FPS have high expectations these days)
Poor post-launch patching and general release-followup (this was the nail in warhammer's coffin)
Bland gameplay (if its boring people will stop playing after a few months, also happened to warhammer due to broken end-game)

Of all of these so far the one that actually concerns me is bland gameplay.

[Traak]

So I take it you're hovering in the middle of the open in your plane while this is happening going "like OMG this is SO BS, that i cant shoot through walls right now, cover...wtf...ARG HE HIT ME AGAIN." really ...are we having this coversation, you got outplayed with one of the highest DPS and fastest flying weapons in any game, anywhere.

Your reward? You can bail. With a knife an no armor whatsoever.

Glad you can see the parallel.

Actually, to make it more even pilots should not be able to bail at all. THEN it would make it far less imbalanced. Pilots shouldn't be able to bail from their planes any more than MAX's should be able to "bail" from their armor. It's just armor, the wearer should be able to pop right out, loaded with weapons, after all, shouldn't he?

[TRex]

Listening to the forums on balance. Weren't BFRs supported by most people pre-release?

As I remember it most people wanted them to fix bugs and advertise and anything else in game at the time before bringing new stuff in , and even then only after giving them a decent playtest on the test server. The pre-bending thing was fun, but i think that was to distract us from fact we were losing Oshur and gaining a broken pos in bfr's.